Hola folks!
After finding enough screenshots/video reviews, I am beginning to think that from a hardware perspective the S and L variants are identical (including supported bands), whereas the K is only slightly different from S/L.
Any images of the back cover off on the K models (Olleh) will show "F400 0425 K" indicating the hardware is the "K" variant. (If you watch the review video http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-review, you will notice this info up at the top on the backside, right above the camera.) UPDATE: Here is another link with an image http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/#image-4
On the S/L (SK Telecom, LG U+) models, they say "F400 0423 S/L" on the SK Telecom model ("S" variant), and "F400 0425 S/L" on the LG U+ model ("L" variant). You can find images of the "S" model with engadget's review (http://www.engadget.com/gallery/lg-g3-review/2676959/#!slide=2676963), and images of the "L" model with ubreakifix's F400L teardown (http://www.ubreakifix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ubif-g3-21.jpg).
(Thanks and kudos to the review sites and teardown site for the images.)
As an owner of the F400S, I can tell you that all 3 variants will run on AT&T LTE (as a lot of our LTE is on Band 17 - 700 MHz spectrum). I was able to load my F400S with the TOT and DLL files of all 3 variants (currently waiting on getting it back to the "S" variant once the DLL is posted), and all 3 variants will connect to AT&T with no issues (for those of you that plan on importing like I did).
So for those of you who managed to brick your new G3, as long as you can ADB into it, you can edit your build.prop file with the corresponding korean variant model info, and load any stock image. As @wolfgart has posted a great thread with the TOTs and DLLs, I recommend swinging through there for more info. If you have a K variant, load the K TOT and DLL, and you are fine.
For those of us with S/L variants--with the above info and enough tinkering in the hidden menus of all 3 variants, I can tell you that from a hardware perspective these two models are nearly identical. From a modem/supported frequencies perspective, the S and L variants support the exact same frequencies--meaning, if you bricked your S or L version, you can restore it with an S or L TOT and DLL (after editing build.prop if needed) and you will still get all of your original hardware supported bands/frequencies. This is critical for those of you using LTE Band 5 to connect to your data... (should not be the case for any US AT&T users...).
UPDATE: in the 'Android Development' section, wolfgart's thread with the TOTs and DLLs have been updated to now include the files for all 3 models. So unless you know what you are doing with a build.prop edit, probably best to stick with what came with the phones for those who are new to this stuff.
The main difference between the S/L and K phones in frequency/band support is that LTE Band 8 is supported on the K model only, whereas you will get LTE Band 5 support on the S/L models. All other bands and frequencies (WCDMA/GSM) are the same across all 3 models. All 3 also support LTE Band 17, and will connect to AT&T in the US.
Took me a while to figure this out, but I had a long weekend
Cool! nice to know, thanks for the well explained post
Any thoughts about the L/S version suporting LTE Band 7?
Thanks
gsanches said:
Any thoughts about the L/S version suporting LTE Band 7?
Thanks
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Unfortunately, I don't connect to LTE with band 7 so I can't say much on that. However, just based on the hidden menus in both (I am using the L version on my S variant phone at the moment), they both have the same listings of 1,3,5,7 for supported bands.
LTE 700, 850, 1800, 2100, 2600 (Band 17, Band 5, Band 3, Band 1, and Band 7 respectively)
UMTS 850, 1900, 2100
GSM 800, 900, 1800, 1900
The above are the fully supported bands on the S and L variants.
The below are the fully supported bands on the K variant.
LTE 700, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600 (Band 17, Band 8, Band 3, Band 1, and Band 7 respectively)
UMTS 850, 1900, 2100
GSM 800, 900, 1800, 1900
I don't have the K variant on my device now, but I recall the only band difference is that it supports LTE band 8 (900 MHz) instead of LTE band 5 (850 MHz), but other supported bands are the same. LTE Band 5 is one of the primary bands for both SK Telecom and LG U+ (which partially explains why the two phones have nearly identical hardware, including modem support).
Hope this answers your question. As support for those frequencies are built in (and it makes sense on LG as a mass manufacturer--They can use the same modem and just rebrand it like they did in Korea for the S and L variants).
Why is the S one more expensive than the L?
gsanches said:
Why is the S one more expensive than the L?
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That, my friend, is a question you will have to ask LG and SK Telecom. We sorta see that in the US every so often with "special editions" that aren't really that special and they will add an extra 100ish.
Off-contract, LG U+ is the most affordable right now, with SK Telecom right around $700 USD. With markup and shipping, etc. eBayers are selling it for $750-800.
Also, you have to remember the G3 is a hot commodity even in Korea right now. Had some friends who thought it was funny I got a phone overseas before they even bothered joining the bandwagon.
So though I can't say for sure why exactly it's more expensive, I can definitely say it has to do with the fact that the phone is still only 3 weeks old
And none of those 3 will work on T-Mobile LTE which needs 1700 and 2100Mhz most of time.
There are some spots with 900Mhz support though.
But as much as I want G3, I'll wait for the T-Mo version.
Yeah...I'm a proud owner of a Htc One M7...I have been thinking a lot and decided that it's time to change. I'm comparing the M8, the Z2, the G3 for a long time and finally think that this last one will be the one...unfortunately it's still very soon to easily find information regarding this phone online...
Your information helped me a lot...now I know exactly which variant to buy :fingers-crossed:...thank you guys very much
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Yeah...I'm a proud owner of a Htc One M7...I have been thinking a lot and decided that it's time to change. I'm comparing the M8, the Z2, the G3 for a long time and finally think that this last one will be the one...unfortunately it's still very soon to easily find information regarding this phone online...
Your information helped me a lot...now I know exactly which variant to buy :fingers-crossed:...thank you guys very much
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It looks like you are planning on doing the same upgrade I did. I still have my M7 as my backup , but definitely gotta say I am loving my G3.
That's amazing man...I've been a HTC fan since the Sensation...but currently I feel that they are been left behind...
I'm really sorry, but other brands are offering a lot more for the same price.
The HTC will always win in design and the quality of the phone's body, screen and, of course, sound!...but they are losing in the rest...UI, camera, battery life definitely...it's just sad
Nice to know that you're enjoying your G3...I hope I'll be as happy as you are in a few weeks...and judging by how much I've researched about it...I'm sure I'll love it!!!
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sorry, which of these three variants brings FM radio? K, L, S, and if for example buy the K version, if you install the L or S variant fm radio works?
I´m about to buy a G3 and found some model have an antenna, is that correct?, anybody knows what tv frequencies can handle?. Thanks!
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sorry, which of these three variants brings FM radio? K, L, S, and if for example buy the K version, if you install the L or S variant fm radio works?
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From my research, none of the korean models (F400 S/K/L) support FM radio. Instead of an FM radio tuner, they are offered with Korea's DMB tuner, for korean DMB support.
I have only seen DMB function while in Korea and Japan. Anywhere else in the world, you will have to check with local providers, as some countries will charge for DMB as a service (just like satellite television).
Hope this helps
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I´m about to buy a G3 and found some model have an antenna, is that correct?, anybody knows what tv frequencies can handle?. Thanks!
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The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
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The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
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OK! Thank you
Anyone know which one is the best for AT&T
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salvador1980 said:
Anyone know which one is the best for AT&T
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Any of them will do. I would say go for the one that gives you the best price. At this point, enough AT&T users have gotten their hands on all 3 variants. Most can get LTE through band 17 (700 MHz) which is available on all 3 phones.
Will the D855 variant (with LTE 700MHz) be able to use on AT&T (band class 17) or Verizon (band class 13)?
Or to be more specific, will the D855 cover all 700MHz US band class (12, 13, 14, and 17)?
Thanks!
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Will the D855 variant (with LTE 700MHz) be able to use on AT&T (band class 17) or Verizon (band class 13)?
Or to be more specific, will the D855 cover all 700MHz US band class (12, 13, 14, and 17)?
Thanks!
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You would have to check which specific band class of 700 MHz the D855 would be capable of connecting to. As I do not have the D855, and specs are varied on the internet right now, I cannot say for sure.
The FCC had ruled four separate band classes to operate on the 700 MHz spectrum in America--Band 17 700 MHz capable modems cannot connect to any of the other 700 MHz band classes and vice versa. (It was claimed that they did not want to have any network interference issues. Carriers purchased the rights to access certain chunks of the 700 MHz spectrum, and they are isolated to those carriers only.)
I am seeing 700MHz (B28) support on D855 models, but I believe that might be related to certain LTE-A rollouts in Europe (meaning it may not be able to connect to current 700 MHz bands in the US (as the US does not have LTE-A networks at the moment) and new band classes are issued for LTE-A (i.e. Band 28).
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The only frequencies it can support is anything broadcasted as DMB. Certain countries offer DMB subscription services, but you will have to research if it is offered where you live.
In the US, DMB is unavailable so I just have a nice long antenna that people crack up at in the year 2014, but completely unusable where I am. I just tell them its for better service as a side joke lol
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Does the antenna stand out much? Or is it hidden? Thanks
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Anyone know if they will be releasing an unlocked version for the US carriers? I would get the European version myself, as 3g isn't a big deal for me, but what gives me concern is the Wall charger doesn't include a US plug. Im sure this is a small deal considering i could proly just buy a standard HTC charger, but im just curious if they will be having an unlocked that will both include the US charger, and work on US 3g networks.
no word yet hua?
Why do you think the European model won't work on U.S. 3G networks?
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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I have been on a number of blogs for the TP2 and they are seem to be in agreement that the European TP2 will only work over the EDGE network in US...
Personally, I am currently an iPhone user, but my wife is driving me crazy waiting for this US version!
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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Here is a good story on MSNBC.com on the various 3G standards. It is dated last Sept. but it is still good.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511322/
uk/europe model will only work on edge in US. devicewire have done a detailed review on a europe model and could only get edge. to get 3g will need to wait for official model for that region.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Actually you have it awry. European 3G runs on 2100mhz not 1900. U.S 3G runs on 850/1900mhz.
If you go to HTC's site, the TP2 Euro model will do GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 1900mhz. SO if O.P imports a Euro version, he could use it on EDGE or he could just wait for the AT&T version. T-mobile USA's 3G runs on 1700mhz though.
T-mobile USA's 3G requires both 1700mhz and 2100mhz. Suppose to be hear around July 22nd...
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As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Standard mini usb cables, yes and i also am aware i can also just charge the thing using the included USB cable. What im asking about is the WALL charger. If HTC uses thier standard USB-mini cable that is on a good chunk of their devices, including the HD/ Tilt/Diamond ect.. im sure finding a US charger wont be that hard.
Also, i was asking about an Unlocked US version, i do not intend to get one though the carrier as i dont want a modified version that they lock down. Nor do i care to wait till the fall when AT&T gets off their duffs to finally release it.
In any event, im just keeping my ear open and seeing what the grapevine heard about it.
Sorry guys. My bad.
I was confusing the specifications thinking that HTC would at least be smart enough to include full support for all markets. I was reading the Quad-Band GSM as support for HSPA/3G bands. I was totally bypassing the HSPA/WCDMA dual-band specification.
Chalk it up to a mix of wishful thinking and childish excitement. That does, however, kick the crap out of my week. Only HTC can bring me down this hard.
Well, I guess ATT got approved for theirs. Now the only question remains is, will their be an unlocked US version that supports 3g? or will we have to get the European version?
I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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The hardware physically cannot handle it. The Euro/Asian model only supports 3G on the European and Asian bands which are completely different frequencies from the ones used in the U.S. It's definitely not just a matter of software.
And I think we all need to be clear that no one has any idea what the AT&T keyboard will actually look like. The promotional material we have all seen and discussed ad nauseum is a slap-together of the HTC mockup with AT&T's promotional verbage. Even the promotional bullet points list that the "HTC Fortress" has a 5 row keyboard while the mockup picture shows a 4 row keyboard. That picture, at this point, means pretty much nothing at all.
I see, Ill hold off then. Its kinda hard to justify ~$800 on a phone here anyways that doesn't have a warranty in the states. Thanks for the help!
Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
I'm currently with Sprint and want to switch to a GSM provider.
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Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
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no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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the carrier phones usually come with some sort of branding (software: e.g. sprint tv application / hardware: different battery cover, different keyboard layout and so on)
This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage...
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
iodaed said:
no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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galaxys said:
Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
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So basically what I was hoping for in terms of a 3G phone with a front facing camera won't happen this round.
hi guys,
check this out..
http://personaldigital.com.au/p171/HTC-Touch-PRO-2-T7373-850-Mhz-NEXTG-%21%21-PRO2/buy.html
It has those frequencies selectable out of the box on any version I believe.
no, you are taking about the GSM bands
i was talking about the UMTS/ WCDMA 850/2100
Most versions WORLDWIDE are 900/2100
850 is the AT&T (USA) and Telstra (Australia) 3G Bands
I am under the impression AT&T and Rogers/Fido also use the 1900mhz for downloads. The 850 bands is only the "upload" band.
Yeah, but paying around 400 dollars more for an 850mhz band you must REALLY want it.
Wait a second
I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.
I have a hard time finding a credible source that explains the use of the two separate Bands but I saw it mentioned more then one time.
Anyone got a source with Provider/Bands/Usage, it would be a great tool.
If the bands really serve separate function it's a problem because upload is essential to downloading because you need to tell the server what you want to received hehe.
So 3G band are the following: T-Mo uses 1700/2100, this phone would be a 850/2100, ATT would be 850/1900, Europe would mostly be 900/2100, etc.
at&t has two separate 3G bands; 850 and 1900 mhz. these two bands are independent of each other and each one does upload/download. (this is unlike tmobile which uses 1700 for download and 2100 for upload i believe). So the best thing is to figure out what area you are in; most areas are mixed with 850 and 1900 and some areas are only one or the other. At&t is making a move towards more 850mhz because it is the better penetrating band. I know in south florida it is mostly 850mhz with a little bit of 1900 in miami. Hence why my old Nokia E51 (has 850 and 2100 mhz 3G, like the Telus TP2) worked perfectly down here on 3G. hope this clarifies it
Thanks for the input.
I gotta see what`s the deal with Rogers/Fido in Montreal!
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I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.
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I have a Touch HD from Telstra, i am using it on ATT in CA, it only has 850 for 3g, and it works for both, up and download. My area has mostly 850 and some 1900, I get 3g almost everywhere. works great.
Not worth it. I'm sure the AT&T version will be out within 2 months.
You will end up paying $500-$600 just to have a half-working one up to 2 months early. Its not even unbranded.
That's wrong. According to that page (and others), the Telstra version is a bit over a thousand dollars, not just 400-500 US. And you're right, seems the AT&T version will be out in October.
I mean $500-$600 more than the AT&T version.
your missing the worth
the point is you'll get the original HTC device included with the front facing camera the original keyboard none of the filler apps (that slow down the phone) and the sleeker look with out posibly loosing the straight talk technology. who knows what att will remove to save on cost.
Its already been shown. It loses the front camera and the keyboard arrangement is different. And it has an AT&T logo. Do you really want to pay $500 more just to not have that little logo? The front camera is useless in the U.S. and the keyboard is just different, not worst. Flash the original ROM or any cooked ROM and all your software issues (and lockouts) are gone. Plus with the AT&T version, you have access to super fast replacements if anything were to happen.
Heck, for that price you could possibly buy both the US and the European version, getting coverage basically everywhere in the world
Hi,
I want to buy the htc one m8 from the usa (verizon, at&t, sprint, t-mobile etc...)
I'm from europe and in my country lte will be available in 1800 and 2600 (band 3 and 7)
I've got comfused from all of the specs, so which variant htc support band 3 and/or 7?
Thanks for your help
Don't buy a USA phone to use in Europe they're different for a reason. The Asia version is more likely to be compatible with European bands.
Certainly not Verizon or Sprint!
iii2 said:
Hi,
I want to buy the htc one m8 from the usa (verizon, at&t, sprint, t-mobile etc...)
I'm from europe and in my country lte will be available in 1800 and 2600 (band 3 and 7)
I've got comfused from all of the specs, so which variant htc support band 3 and/or 7?
Thanks for your help
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To be 100% sure of compatibility, buy the EU handset if you're in the EU - it makes sense
EddyOS said:
To be 100% sure of compatibility, buy the EU handset if you're in the EU - it makes sense
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I would but it just don't worth the money, both europe and asia version are way more expensive, so i prefer to go with a cheaper device, 32gb and withouht lte. But still, at least one usa network should support band 3 and 7, anyone know?
iii2 said:
I would but it just don't worth the money, both europe and asia version are way more expensive, so i prefer to go with a cheaper device, 32gb and withouht lte. But still, at least one usa network should support band 3 and 7, anyone know?
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Having a warranty and full support from HTC is more than worth the money IMO
I'm from Israel, we don't have an offical HTC in here so it doesn't change a lot. I will probably also install roms so the warranry isn't that usefull :/
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To be 100% sure of compatibility, buy the EU handset if you're in the EU - it makes sense
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Agree. Plus, not sure if the OP intends to root or not. But left stock, the AT&T version in particular has critical functions disabled (WiFi hotspot); and you will also typically not receive OTA updates outside the US. I'd stay away from buying the AT&T variant for use in other countries, unless you have a definitive reason to pick that variant.
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But still, at least one usa network should support band 3 and 7, anyone know?
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Why would you assume that? According to the following Wiki, those bands are not supported in the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Americas
According to gsm arena, the AT&T and Verizon variants support LTE 1800 and 2600 MHz (bands 3 and 7, respectively); probably for international roaming purposes. But I'd still recommend buying the Euro or Asian version over either of these. And gsm arena is not always 100% accurate, so I'd take it with a grain or salt and research more before making any decision:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)-6074.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)_cdma-6233.php
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Agree. Plus, not sure if the OP intends to root or not. But left stock, the AT&T version in particular has critical functions disabled (WiFi hotspot); and you will also typically not receive OTA updates outside the US. I'd stay away from buying the AT&T variant for use in other countries, unless you have a definitive reason to pick that variant.
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Why would you assume that? According to the following Wiki, those bands are not supported in the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Americas
According to gsm arena, the AT&T and Verizon variants support LTE 1800 and 2600 MHz (bands 3 and 7, respectively); probably for international roaming purposes. But I'd still recommend buying the Euro or Asian version over either of these. And gsm arena is not always 100% accurate, so I'd take it with a grain or salt and research more before making any decision:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)-6074.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_(m8)_cdma-6233.php
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Thanks for your help, but again, I know buying it from europe or asia is the best solution but in that case i wont get 32gb and it will cost me 300$ more, It just doesn't worth it since lte is still not available and it will be only in israel by the end of 2014. And i will install a custom rom, so OTA updates and the carrier bloat doesn't bother me that much.
I also don't think gsmarena is that accurate. accordint to htc website these are the bands:
EMEA: 800/900/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 700/900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600 MHz
Sprint: FDD 800/1900 MHz , TDD 2600 MHz
Verizon: 700/AWS/1800/2600 MHz
TMUS: 700/AWS MHz
but it looks really untrustable, because in the othe rhand, anandtech site telling somthing else: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review
I just don't know which site is right :silly:
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I also don't think gsmarena is that accurate. accordint to htc website these are the bands:
EMEA: 800/900/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 700/900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1800/1900/2600 MHz
Sprint: FDD 800/1900 MHz , TDD 2600 MHz
Verizon: 700/AWS/1800/2600 MHz
TMUS: 700/AWS MHz
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I don't see a difference between this, and what is posted on GSM Arena (the links I posted).
AWS band is 1700/2100 MHz (Band 4). Its a bit confusing that GSM Arena lists them like they are 2 different bands. But one is used for upload, the other for download. So its not to be confused with 2100 Mhz (band 1) for instance.
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I don't see a difference between this, and what is posted on GSM Arena (the links I posted).
AWS band is 1700/2100 MHz (Band 4). Its a bit confusing that GSM Arena lists them like they are 2 different bands. But one is used for upload, the other for download. So its not to be confused with 2100 Mhz (band 1) for instance.
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I see, but it is diffrenet from the table band in here http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review, like verizon in htc site has the 1800 mhz but in the table on anandtech channel 3 isn't there.
iii2 said:
I see, but it is diffrenet from the table band in here http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review, like verizon in htc site has the 1800 mhz but in the table on anandtech channel 3 isn't there.
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You can probably find a lot of websites that have incorrect specification information on this (and other) phones. That's unfortunately just a fact. I think I've even seen spec errors on HTC's on website for some of their devices. Your best bet is to get as much reliable info as you can. Since HTC's own website agrees with GSM Arena, I'd go with those. But that is just my own conclusion.
In any case, I wouldn't recommend the Verizon (CDMA) version. You don't need CDMA, and it might introduce a whole lot of needless complications. The CDMA versions also don't seem to have quite the developer support that the GSM only versions enjoy.
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You can probably find a lot of websites that have incorrect specification information on this (and other) phones. That's unfortunately just a fact. I think I've even seen spec errors on HTC's on website for some of their devices. Your best bet is to get as much reliable info as you can. Since HTC's own website agrees with GSM Arena, I'd go with those. But that is just my own conclusion.
In any case, I wouldn't recommend the Verizon (CDMA) version. You don't need CDMA, and it might introduce a whole lot of needless complications. The CDMA versions also don't seem to have quite the developer support that the GSM only versions enjoy.
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which devices are cdma?
iii2 said:
which devices are cdma?
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Sprint and Verizon
Hey,
I am also looking for buying the phone form the US although I am not from there (I am from Israel as well but currently in Australia), I was thinking about getting the Unlocked version but I'm not sure which bands does it support, I tried looking on GSMarena, HTC website but couldn't find any info and when I asked the Online chat support they did not know the answer, so do you have any idea which bands the unlocked version supports and do you think there would be a problem with bands if I get it from the US and use it in Israel/Aus?, as the other user said, it is way cheaper in the US, the 32GB in the US is cheaper than the 16GB in AU!
Thanks Heaps
S.Y.Z
Hi - I got a killer deal on an international (Asian model) HTC One M8x on eBay so I jumped on it... After receiving it, I noticed LTE is not working with T Mobile. The phone supports LTE 700 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600... Before purchasing, I didn't notice AWS/Band 4 wasn't listed. Oh well, still a great device.
I did some research and saw that T-Mo just bought Verizon's 700mhz; but 'Block A' only..? my phone supports 700mhz, but I'm not sure which block it will work with.
I live in a pretty populated area in Southern California, so I would assume that this area will be covered when T-Mo rolls out 700mhz on their network around early 2015.
Will my phone work on Block A? What is the difference between blocks? I just recently learned about the different frequencies, and now I'm hearing 'block A, B, C,' etc.. I'm officially confused.
Anyone with extended knowledge of LTE - your responses are greatly appreciated.
thanks!!!
According to the following Wiki, the 700 MHz bands used in North America are also called Bands 12, 13, and 17. These seem to correspond with the blocks you mentioned (A, B, C) with "700 a" (presumably Block A) corresponding to Band 12.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Of the countries and carriers in Europe, Middle East, and Asia (the "international" M8 is actually called the EMEA version) only Taiwan seems to use 700 MHz, and its Band 28. So presumably, this is the band that is supported by your version.
Not sure, but you might be out of luck (your phone supports Band 28, but T-Mobile bought Band 12?).
It is confusing, I agree. My main takeaway is that there sure a lot of different bands that make up 700 MHz!
redpoint73 said:
According to the following Wiki, the 700 MHz bands used in North America are also called Bands 12, 13, and 17. These seem to correspond with the blocks you mentioned (A, B, C) with "700 a" (presumably Block A) corresponding to Band 12.
Of the countries and carriers in Europe, Middle East, and Asia (the "international" M8 is actually called the EMEA version) only Taiwan seems to use 700 MHz, and its Band 28. So presumably, this is the band that is supported by your version.
Not sure, but you might be out of luck (your phone supports Band 28, but T-Mobile bought Band 12?).
It is confusing, I agree. My main takeaway is that there sure a lot of different bands that make up 700 MHz!
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Thanks for the info and the link!! After reading the wiki page I did some more Googling.. It seems as though the 700mhz is available through bands 12, 13, 14, 44, 17 and 28. It's crazy that my phone only supports one of them. Too bad I won't have LTE....HSPA+ is horribly slow where I live. (unless it's about 3am, then I get a few MB up and down)
I noticed you have AT&T...are you aware if this phone will pick up LTE on an AT&T gophone? I will consider their $60/month prepaid if it will.
Or maybe another GSM carrier that my phone is compatible with? I would really hate to leave T-Mo but I miss LTE.
thanks again for your help!
charkswitlazers said:
Thanks for the info and the link!! After reading the wiki page I did some more Googling.. It seems as though the 700mhz is available through bands 12, 13, 14, 44, 17 and 28. It's crazy that my phone only supports one of them. Too bad I won't have LTE....HSPA+ is horribly slow where I live. (unless it's about 3am, then I get a few MB up and down)
I noticed you have AT&T...are you aware if this phone will pick up LTE on an AT&T gophone? I will consider their $60/month prepaid if it will.
Or maybe another GSM carrier that my phone is compatible with? I would really hate to leave T-Mo but I miss LTE.
thanks again for your help!
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T-mobile's AWS platform is mostly going to be a 1900 and 1700 setup if i remember correctly. they have purchased the 700mhz spectrum from verizon but no one is really using it yet. Only Verizon has even started to populate that spectrum with their new X-LTE which no one can really take advantage of. and really the HSDPA isnt that bad. i mean i have a tmobile M8 and i get LTE like 70% of the time but the rest of the time i'm on HSPAP and its fine i get like anywhere between 5-10mbps...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
you can look further down the page it shows you every band that they use or own.
charkswitlazers said:
After reading the wiki page I did some more Googling.. It seems as though the 700mhz is available through bands 12, 13, 14, 44, 17 and 28. It's crazy that my phone only supports one of them.
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Its not really that crazy. When they say "700 Mhz" I think what they really mean is that the actually frequencies used are somewhere around 700-799 MHz. And this can be divided up to many different distinct "bands". If you refer to the Wiki page I linked, you will see in the notes under the North America section, for example:
700 Block B
(↓) 734 – 740 MHz / (↑) 704 – 710 MHz
So the MHz number can be misleading; and its really the Band (12, 13, etc.) that you need to pay attention to. Or both the Band/block and MHz in conjunction really, as its often the MHz that is listed.
charkswitlazers said:
I noticed you have AT&T...are you aware if this phone will pick up LTE on an AT&T gophone? .
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Don't think it work on AT&T's LTE network. AT&T uses Bands 4 and 17 for LTE. None of these are supported on the EMEA version based on what we've discussed.
Buying phones from 3rd party sources can be very tricky. US carriers in particular use very particular and often proprietary bands. This was true with 3G, and seems to be even more so with LTE. The bands used by even foreign markets has become increasingly less standardized with LTE (there was a good amount of standardization in foreign regions with 2G and 3G). One has to be very careful and resource thoroughly before buying a phone from any source aside from your carrier.
charkswitlazers said:
Hi - I got a killer deal on an international (Asian model) HTC One M8x on eBay so I jumped on it... After receiving it, I noticed LTE is not working with T Mobile. The phone supports LTE 700 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600... Before purchasing, I didn't notice AWS/Band 4 wasn't listed. Oh well, still a great device.
I did some research and saw that T-Mo just bought Verizon's 700mhz; but 'Block A' only..? my phone supports 700mhz, but I'm not sure which block it will work with.
I live in a pretty populated area in Southern California, so I would assume that this area will be covered when T-Mo rolls out 700mhz on their network around early 2015.
Will my phone work on Block A? What is the difference between blocks? I just recently learned about the different frequencies, and now I'm hearing 'block A, B, C,' etc.. I'm officially confused.
Anyone with extended knowledge of LTE - your responses are greatly appreciated.
thanks!!!
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hello , iam going to the USA with the same model m8x to t-mobile in Washington dc ,so basically iam in the same position as you , did u find any new solution to the LTE problem ? if not ,does only hspa+ working ? if so i have seen some good speeds with t-mobile hspa+ ( 15mb dowload ) . does flashing these (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736921) helps ? please respond
Hey guys.....
Search as I may I can't find anything about getting aws ... Band 4 with both 1700 and 2100 to work on my x800 specifically for wind!
Seems it has 2100 which isn't enough to connect.....
So...... Can 1700 be activated at all?
Or is this antenna simply not available for this device?
Someone has to have run into this problem or I may be SOL with this phone.
Side note... Same issue with my Z30. New phone just not working out as smoothly as planned!
Any help would be greatly appreciated......
According to Kimovil: http://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-letv-s1-pro-64gb this phone does not have a support for 1700MHz.
If your phone is X800 US version, then it should have band 4 AWS 1700/2100. I'm sure Wind uses much the same frequencies as Telus, and I can get Telus 4G LTE for voice, text and data no problem. My seller (Hong Kong Goldway on Aliexpress) specifically listed band 4 AWS, otherwise, I wouldn't have bought the phone.
Thanks for the feedback....
This is the US version..,.. yeah the add and email queries did list band 4 but stopping in to Wind to try a test sim it didn't get the 1700 half of the band.... Seems it matches the specs of the 1st reply link.....
Reading other successful connections making me wonder if it's a variant version or if the antenna is present and just needed to be activated. .,... Or could be..,..
So if yours came that way only makes this more puzzling....