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This is a warning to all members of xda-developers.
One member, Olipro, is charging £75 for his "secret" to "cheaply" unbrick a bricked phone.
You could do that. You could let him break the law and void your warranty. Or you could give HTC a call. That's exactly what I did this morning, and they have said my bricked HTC Touch is still under warranty, and not only will they fix it for FREE, providing they don't find out that I tried to load a cooked ROM, but they are actually sending someone out to collect it for free!
So if they don't find evidence that I tried to load a cooked ROM they'll fix it completely free, including returning it.
If they DO find that an "illegal" ROM has been loaded to it, they will charge me £50 and fix it.
How's THAT for excellent customer service? Even if they do find that I have tampered with it they will only charge £50, compared to Olipro's £75.
So let this be a warning to everyone. DO NOT PAY OLIPRO TO "FIX" YOUR BRICKED PHONE!
*BUMP* This is really important!
Should be stickied.
I find it really hard to belive Olipro would do that!
Even if he did, it is his right to charge you for a service. And because it's a free world with a free market, YOU have the option to go with one service or the other.
There's always the option of sending it back or trying to learn the unbrick procedure like Olipro did. ...not to mention the option of leaving it stock, untouched, if we are to speak about warranty issues.
seriously... Olipro has spurred many fronts in Phone customization... and for those of us without warranties and whatnot his price is kinda fair... hes not an organization that probably gets tax creds for shipping and fixing your **** ups...
As your phone is dead, you can always send it to me... You won't get anything back, nor will you get any money, but at least you'll sleep well knowing you've made a good donation to the cause...
CRCinAU said:
As your phone is dead, you can always send it to me... You won't get anything back, nor will you get any money, but at least you'll sleep well knowing you've made a good donation to the cause...
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How much to you charge for shipping?
EDIT: Leaving the thread open so oli can say his piece.
Demon X said:
This is a warning to all members of xda-developers.
One member, Olipro, is charging £75 for his "secret" to "cheaply" unbrick a bricked phone.
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Guinness costs money, it isn't free....
Demon X said:
This is a warning to all members of xda-developers.
One member, Olipro, is charging £75 for his "secret" to "cheaply" unbrick a bricked phone.
You could do that. You could let him break the law and void your warranty. Or you could give HTC a call. That's exactly what I did this morning, and they have said my bricked HTC Touch is still under warranty, and not only will they fix it for FREE, providing they don't find out that I tried to load a cooked ROM, but they are actually sending someone out to collect it for free!
So if they don't find evidence that I tried to load a cooked ROM they'll fix it completely free, including returning it.
If they DO find that an "illegal" ROM has been loaded to it, they will charge me £50 and fix it.
How's THAT for excellent customer service? Even if they do find that I have tampered with it they will only charge £50, compared to Olipro's £75.
So let this be a warning to everyone. DO NOT PAY OLIPRO TO "FIX" YOUR BRICKED PHONE!
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I see where you're coming from...but at the same time, I think Olipro charges 25 more than HTC because he'll be teaching you the secret to unlock your bricked phone...as opposed to HTC unlocking it once...
Now, if you like flashing ROMs, I'm pretty sure you're gonna end up bricking your phone one way or another, and everytime that happens, you're going to rely on Olipro's "secret" method to unlock your phone...now let's assume for the sake of the argument that you brick your phone twice in a month...that means that your total cost per fix is 12.50...not a bad deal, considering that it's kinda frustrating to find solutions online, even in a site as comprehensive and as superb as this one.
I agree with what was mentioned above...Olipro DOES have the right to present a bill for his services. After all, we're not communists...and after all, he IS sharing something that he learned by himself...you also have the right to NOT take him up on that offer. I seriously doubt that he'll take that against you anyway.
I also understand how it can be upsetting, specially after finding out that the manufacturer can fix it for free, provided that they don't find out about the ROM being touched. Nowadays, our li'l Elves and Elfins have become our constant companions...and like a good companion, I'd get seriously pissed too if my Elf/Elfin got bricked.
Sorry for the long-winded note...just my two cents. Anyway, good luck with your device =) Let us know what happens.
ps...by the way, if HTC themselves are gonna repair it, can you confirm to us (after they give you back your device) if they put in WM6.1? I know they are planning to release that on the Touch, and I was just wondering if they might install that on your device already.
Cheers!
JOKE OR DISCREDIT !!!
vivi
Firstly, how did you brick? Its pretty easy to not brick, and if you do, then you can fix it easily unless you ****ed it up by being a total idiot.
Secondly Flashing a cooked ROM or SPL or anything to your device constitutes breach of warranty, so although HTC said they'll do it for £50, they might just say **** you.
Lastly, you have no right to criticise him. He has made hacked SPL's for Many of the devices on XDA, and so loads of us are indebted to him. Plus, you made a grave mistake by opening this thread, because you are now going to feel an extremely intelligent guy raping you intellectually.
Btw, i like your thinking mrvanx
Rory
Do you blacklist service providers because there rates are more expensive than others?
Everyone has the option to shop where they want and pay what they are willing to pay for the service.
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Do you blacklist service providers because there rates are more expensive than others?
Everyone has the option to shop where they want and pay what they are willing to pay for the service.
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I'd think it's more likely an idiot tax... After all, if you research what you're doing, and read things properly, then do things properly, then the chance of you bricking your device is very, very low...
If you're just too silly to read and want someone else to fix your screwups, then 75 quid is more than appropriate...
I just hope HTC does fix your phone, cuz if they don't, if I were Oli, I would let you hang in the dry with that paper weight for being an idiot
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I just hope HTC does fix your phone, cuz if they don't, if I were Oli, I would let you hang in the dry with that paper weight for being an idiot
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Esko if you'd read the original post, HTC IS going to fix his phone and they will ONLY charge him if they find evidence of tampering....
My 2 cents is: if its true that oli charges that price with a crash course in unbricking it might not be so bad.
But if he just unbricks your phone, he is charging an extortionate price! (in dutch: woekerprijs).
I find this strange because in the short time I've been here, I've seen many good posts by him! Olipro isnt someone I'd ask to unbrick my phone anyway I'd maybe ask him which posts i should read for my particular case.
Oh, I get it. It's perfectly fine to pay someone to teach you how to rob a bank and then rob a bank as many times as you want. I never knew that!
So, anyone here selling tutorials on how to rob a bank?
I was told during my conversation with HTC that custom ROMs in general are illegal - Thus this whole site isn't exactly innocent. But if no money is being made then HTC aren't going to take down the site. However, Olipro is SELLING custom ROMs. Excuse me, but where is he buying these copies of Windows Mobile and HTC's copyrighted software from in order to resell them?
As for my Touch, UPS came and collected it and it is now with HTC.
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Oh, I get it. It's perfectly fine to pay someone to teach you how to rob a bank and then rob a bank as many times as you want. I never knew that!
So, anyone here selling tutorials on how to rob a bank?
I was told during my conversation with HTC that custom ROMs in general are illegal - Thus this whole site isn't exactly innocent. But if no money is being made then HTC aren't going to take down the site. However, Olipro is SELLING custom ROMs. Excuse me, but where is he buying these copies of Windows Mobile and HTC's copyrighted software from in order to resell them?
As for my Touch, UPS came and collected it and it is now with HTC.
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Your logic is dumb and full of holes. Oli has done so much for the phone community and the fact that you would post on here about something like this proves that you don't think through things thoroughly.
Custom ROMS are not illegal, they are illegal if they include software that is not "free and open".
The problem you have is that you don't think for yourself. Instead of reading enough to un-brick your own device you pushed it to somebody else. Then, when HTC told you, "custom ROMS are illegal" you said, AHAH! XDA is partially at fault as well.
A better, more mature and more logical response would be to ask yourself why you didn't read enough to NOT brick your device to begin with.
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...Olipro is SELLING custom ROMs....
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If he was selling ROMs we would be VERY aware of it, as it happens he ISNT selling ROMs and I will VERY gladly stand by that statement.
I think the lesson to be learnt here is that quite clearly you didnt understand the risks of flashing your device, and obviously didnt prepare yourself for the consequences if it went wrong.
Nearly ALL veterans of this site have had a bad flash and it is one of the risks of freeing your device from the ROM on it. If you dont want to lose your device like this again, dont meddle with the software on it. Easy.
dude let me try to make it simple...maybe you'd understand that
its not illegal to put a custom rom even though it voids ur warranty
so the point im trying to make is WHY DID U COME TO THIS SITE if U DIDNT WANT TO PUT CUSTOM ROMS? is this a site where u can get free sex??? no .. the only reason any one comes here is to better their device , to make it more usable and sometimes to LEARN how to add your personal touches to it..and if something goes wrong its not any one elses fault except your own .. if you try to fix it and fail then you have to options ... either get some one from here to help you out or go the the manufacturer and try to get them to do the repair ..
if the former is the case (i suppose its same with the latter aswell) the price they would charge is upto them ....even if oli charges you 150$ for unbricking your phone its still less than the 300-800$ DEAD PAPER WEIGHT you would have cos of your stupidity !!!!
see how simple it is!! now go **** ur self!
Bit more heated than it needs to be, this..
I'm not sure there's a debate to have. Some noob people would 'brick themselves' (as we say in UK) if they bricked their phone and be frightened to touch it and make it worse. If someone's offering to do it for them for a fee, seems simple enough to me.
The 'noone need flash their phone in the first place' debate is irrelevant really. Someone just needn't use such a service if they don't want to. It's quite debrickable if you want to do it. Someone can do it for you if you're too nervous after that first ****-up.
Still not sure why a debate's sprung up.
alaiwy said:
Your logic is dumb and full of holes. Oli has done so much for the phone community and the fact that you would post on here about something like this proves that you don't think through things thoroughly.
Custom ROMS are not illegal, they are illegal if they include software that is not "free and open".
The problem you have is that you don't think for yourself. Instead of reading enough to un-brick your own device you pushed it to somebody else. Then, when HTC told you, "custom ROMS are illegal" you said, AHAH! XDA is partially at fault as well.
A better, more mature and more logical response would be to ask yourself why you didn't read enough to NOT brick your device to begin with.
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Custom ROMs are illegal. M$ just has the common sense to not take down this site and destroy what little image it has.
Olipro is perfectly justified in what he does. He doesn't owe it to you to fix your problems.
STOP RUSHING ME AND LET ME DO WHAT I NEED TO DO. I have school you know. This is my last full week that I have to see my friends and other things like that, then it's off to exams. If you were on my end, You'd see how busy I am. AND if he had a facebook, I hacked my friend's KIN as well. So guys please stop rushing me. It is starting to make me mad. Ever since I had said something you guys have been up my @ßß. If you wish not to end up in the current state I'm on (which is possibly a brick waiting for a phone to come tomorrow) then I suggest you wait. @johnkussiack, please come in feel free to comment leave your opinions but tell these guys how hard it is to hack a phone successfully. I would hate to see you guys end up with a brick, and I would feel responsible. Let me do what needs to be done. I'll upload screenshots and what I've done, Give me time.
All the best,
Kinuser1
(Tyler Jones)
just upload the guide honestly & let the users choose for themselves weather or not they want a brick. I got a year warranty so I will return it till im blue in the face. What did you expect when you first stated that you found a way into the Kin & made the announcement?
I mean come on Yes We know you had a death in your family and stated that it would take you a week to write a simple guide. The problem I see is this you spoke up first & then you expect people to wait patiently which in all seriousness no offense was a stupid thought in your head because its not going to happen.
All Im waiting for is the guide once thats in place I will choose for myself weather or not I will chance a brick to hack or screw around in my phone. No offense but its the truth. I wouldnt of said anything till I had a guide or the time personally.
Kid, (way older), i'm not playing devil's advocate here.
While it's true that hacking something is complicated, I'm with 4LC4PON3 this time. Being a big thing (or not), you cannot shout it to the winds and then go back to a cave.
Test it, do it, ensure it, then tell.
My app could be released atm, but of course would do crap things, yet i assured that it works even if i press Conn+Disconn 30 times. Ever post without being sure of what you do and what will you do next.
To be truthful with you guys, the screenshot was a fake, EXCEPT THE RECENT BOX AND TIME BOX, I edited those so they shade until you click them. I wanted you guys to lay off me for awhile. But I promise, I did not pull your chain guys, I hate when people do that, trust me, I had the enV touch and someone said they had android on the phone but it was a fake. The guy took a picture from google and pasted on the phone. So I left the facebook group because people were flaming me. Well guys later.
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To be truthful with you guys, the screenshot was a fake, EXCEPT THE RECENT BOX AND TIME BOX, I edited those so they shade until you click them. I wanted you guys to lay off me for awhile. But I promise, I did not pull your chain guys, I hate when people do that, trust me, I had the enV touch and someone said they had android on the phone but it was a fake. The guy took a picture from google and pasted on the phone. So I left the facebook group because people were flaming me. Well guys later.
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No offence but you sound so...not smart right know. I dont want to make fun of you and then come to find out you have the guide, but just like John said, Test it, do it, ensure it, then tell.
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To be truthful with you guys, the screenshot was a fake, ...
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Here i stopped having any interest. As i told ya, post or don't post, but no teasers.
You can do small things, you can asure people that you got access to the phone, you can say that you did but you dont know what to do with it.
But never.... ever!! fake things. Now every post that you text, every image that you upload... will have the "Suspicius fake?" mark above it, even if this time is real.
Also, you were flamed in the group with reasons. You posted in a cocky mood about "recording your face when you see it", and then you say that some pictures were fake. That's flame fuel.
PS: btw, my nick doesnt have any "i" character. It's like the actor, but with "K". Just cause i saw it twice by now.
My problem is this. Like I said I understood you had a death in your family but you have a cocky attitude for one got on my nerves, You Faked the photo which I already had doubts on anyways.
What got me is this you said that you have been having problems with your phone for sometime now even before you started hacking into it. Then all of a sudden your phone doesnt turn on correctly you blamed it on the "So Called Hacks"
Prior to this you made a statement that you didnt want help because you didnt want people "stealing your work"
If you do have access to the phone put up the guide even if you did screw your phone up Ok but you cant claim something then never do it. We are Adults here not children it is our choice weather or not we want to attempt the job or not. There are smart users here that you & we can benefit from to get it done faster.
It doesnt take that long to write a simple guide. Either in my opinion A You are just B.S & trying to make yourself sound important or Your just lazy & cant write a 30 minute Tutorial.
Side Note You stated on Facebook when I got mad you said Do you want me to make a video showing proof?. If you can take time to make a video you can easily make time to write the tutorial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gblaKaQ_2Qc
Watch then leave me be and start getting busy.
Sigh... This last post is an offense to all of us who have a real bricked kin.
It is not bricked like I said, IT IS BROKE
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I'm actually not sure if it is bricked because it wont turn on
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I'm actually not sure if it is bricked because it wont turn on
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POST THE DAMN GUIDE AND STOP WHINING ABOUT THE STUPID BRICK, IT SEEMS LIKE THE PHONE WAS YOUR TYPING HANDS BECAUSE IT REALLY EFFECTED YOU BEING ABLE TO TYPE THE GUIDE!
Thanks
Wow. some people here need to CALM DOWN. Give the guy a break. If he is in possession of useful information, name calling and what not is not going to help. If he isn't, name calling and what not is not going to help. While I think it would reflect poorly on him if he has been falsely leading people on, I for one take any 'breaking' news here with a grain of salt. I'll believe it when I see the proof, and until then, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about it.
I'm somewhat hopeful for what JohnKussack's discoveries may hold, and mainly because he has actually been able to demonstrate what he has discovered.
@soninja8 I am going to say this for the last and final time.
STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO. Are you the one who found out? NO!
Let me do what I need to do and shutup
@Marcellus1 thank you for understanding
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@soninja8 I am going to say this for the last and final time.
STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO. Are you the one who found out? NO!
Let me do what I need to do and shutup
@Marcellus1 thank you for understanding
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Im just not understanding why the guide cant be posted thats all. I understand that your busy and all, but you seem to have enough time posting videos of your phone not working and talking about random things...
edit cause im tired of his drama
where do you get it?
Thanks for doing some little thread necromancy, but i think that this dead horse should not be beaten (again).
So many ROM threads exploding with people who flashed their way into a whole bunch of trouble, and don't know how to get out of it.
Hopefully these predicaments are the inspiration many need to learn basic ADB commands after installing the requisite programs/drivers on their cpu. The trouble could have been avoided in the first place by not blindly flashing without reading the well documented issues they may encounter.
1. Read the thread,
2. Read the stickies,
3. If you occasionally like getting into trouble, at least have the proper tools available to get out of it.
4. If not, use search button.
couldn't agree more. what the devs do has taken a lot of work to make stable(ish) for everyone but it can STILL screw your **** up. so people need to be careful.
http://www.galaxynexusforum.com/for...9-basic-commands-newcomers-adb.html#post28883
theres a link that was useful for me, hopefully useful for others. further reading material, is what i guess i can say about it.
^ Can't believe I posted one of "those" threads. Lame.
Edit: just tried to thank you, but I'm thanked out for the day apparently.
If they can't read the original thread, you expect them to read this one?
its a nice thought, but roots back to RTFM, those that should never do
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So many ROM threads exploding with people who flashed their way into a whole bunch of trouble, and don't know how to get out of it.
Hopefully these predicaments are the inspiration many need to learn basic ADB commands after installing the requisite programs/drivers on their cpu. The trouble could have been avoided in the first place by not blindly flashing without reading the well documented issues they may encounter.
1. Read the thread,
2. Read the stickies,
3. If you occasionally like getting into trouble, at least have the proper tools available to get out of it.
4. If not, use search button.
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I don't feel sorry for them. I'm a system admin at work and I have so many users who do similar things to their pcs and I usually make them suffer a bit
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I don't feel sorry for them. I'm a system admin at work and I have so many users who do similar things to their pcs and I usually make them suffer a bit
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Yeah, not even sure why I wasted time posting that. I'm the sucker. Was somewhat entertaining in a way to see the lemmings jump off the cliff though.
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Flashing has become so easy anyone can do it. That's a problem because once they run into a problem they don't know what to do.
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Well... From this, they will learn eventually, from to 0 to 1. So they know about the technology of their device rather than just using it. People need to learn...
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this is the reason why i always tell ppl not to spoon-feed noobs answers, cuz they wont learn anything and will only mess up their phones and then beg for help by creating useless threads or post in dev threads..on the other hand if ppl didnt answer their question they will be forced to read and learn thus no more useless threads/posts
After learning how to fix my own mistakes and not relying on a toolkit, I've begun to wonder, why they are even around for the Galaxy Nexus.
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Haha that's why I stopped helping people in Q+A. I used to help with the whole "Help I'm bricked" topics. Not anymore. My opinion is don't mess with root system files than CAN brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing or at least how to recover from it manually should a problem arise. Let em sweat it before they finally search and figure out ADB. Which they will. Their first instinct is to come and just ask for help. After an hour of 0 replies and the need to use their phone now, they will search and they will find what they need. Not that it matters because you have people here saying just use the toolkit to fix it. Almost every single thread in Q+A has at least one use a toolkit reply.
Idk to be honest I just stopped giving a damn about anyone but me lol. If I tried to help every single person boot looping I'll be on XDA 24/7. I got a nexus, I jumped the gun & used a toolkit. I boot looped. I searched and I figured out what I needed to do to get back up & running. As far as I'm concerned let them do the same. That's the way it is today. Everyone wants to be spoonfed. They only want the end result, but don't wanna work for it.
Apple - Innovating new ways to take your money
Well if they brick their own phone, because what they do to it. They will be learn their lesson,...
Once i brick my tab... Then i learn from that to understand the process... About ask for help in web? ... That's out of question.. The only one left is... You and you brick phone.. Since that,i always looking many source of knowledge before do something to my phone..
Anyway android is open source isn't it? If people want to learn.. Why not..? Or it's just change like corporate, monopoly only for certain people...
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Opens door to room filled with people who think they are much more intelligent than most, snickers and quietly closes door and walks away.
Uhm. I think this is just another proof of the tiny minded humanity. Doing stuff without knowing a single bit or without thinking about consequences. Just like war. Making it without having a single idea.
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Opens door to room filled with people who think they are much more intelligent than most, snickers and quietly closes door and walks away.
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I for one was thinking of instances where I knew what was in the OP :cyclops:
My Android knowledge is debatable and it goes without saying that my intelligence is highly debatable.
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After learning how to fix my own mistakes and not relying on a toolkit, I've begun to wonder, why they are even around for the Galaxy Nexus.
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Hey, as the guy who started the linked thread in the second post here, I've used Wug's Toolkit to save me time before. Yes, I had the knowledge to get myself out of that jam if that didn't work, but I feel the toolkits aren't a bad thing by themselves.
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Hey, as the guy who started the linked thread in the second post here, I've used Wug's Toolkit to save me time before. Yes, I had the knowledge to get myself out of that jam if that didn't work, but I feel the toolkits aren't a bad thing by themselves.
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I agree they're not bad at all. People just shouldn't be so fearful of, or think that learning, terminal commands is hard. Posts like the one that was linked are a great starting point, thanks for taking the time to author that post. They can pick up where the toolkits leave off when someone's in trouble.
It kinda frustrates me too. The only reason why I have a low post count is because I know how to search and I can get my self out of pretty much any sticky situation with experience/searching. I don't understand why people automatically blame the dev for something they didn't know what was going on in the first place. I have maybe a 1/10 of the issues everyone else posts because I do the proper steps before hand or I go into it knowing what is already broke. If it is an unstable ROM then why bother complaining, you should know that not everything is going to be perfect.
Same here on the posting count. I read about what I'm going to do, can't afford to brick and buy a new phone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwleOote5M0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I enjoyed it. Lol!
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Try working for a cellphone company. I made an old lady cry because she came in screaming at us saying to give her a new phone or cancel her account because it won't ring. Her HTC Hero had all of her contacts set to "Send to voicemail". Once I politely explained there's nothing wrong with her phone or her service, she started crying and said she's disappointed in me because I took away her reason to be pissed and now she doesn't know what to complain about.
Some people truly do not deserve smartphones, and it's a sad fact that companies are now pushing so hard to place expensive and intricate technology in the hands of users who were among those that couldn't even set the clock on their VCR.
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More to the point, it's a sad world when people can openly admit that they are upset at having no reason to complain, without recognizing the problem with that admission...
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I definitely agree with you guys.
That video was hilarious! That should be required viewing when creating an account.
this made me feel sad about still not knowing how to use adb
or even trying to learn how to use it
but that was a pretty accurate depiction of a noob
3 people brought me their phones to root and told me what their phones were
2 of them told me the wrong model
I love when I'm on Google+ and someone goes on a community and asks what the best ROM is without saying what phone they have and or carrier, then people start naming ROMs. I'm like wth is wrong with you people. Or someone might say I'm on the Sprint S3 and others will just start naming ROMs for other carriers like its perfectly fine to just flash a ROM no matter what model of phone you have. I hope this video ends up helping new people instead of just making fun of, and pissing someone off. I was new once as everyone is or was. But I felt like I read until I mostly understood what I was doing and why. I've seen a lot of bricks lately and if I can prevent one, this would be worth it. Lol. By the way I found this video it is not of my making just so everyone knows.
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Yea, I've been flashing my phones since 2009 with the Motorola cliq, I never bricked anything because I read, read, and read before doing anything.
Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
I did the same with my evo shift, and then again with this phone - read, searched and then read some more. I've never had a serious problem. There's a wealth of information here and I'm grateful for everyone that lends their time to develop and/or help us get more out of our phones.
I remember just rooting my device. Reading everywhere and making sure the stories coincided. Triple checked my model number etc, this is not a $40 device...
I'm surprised he didn't mention RTFM in there somewhere, it's a code I [try my best to] live by and support.
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Ohh by the way... RTFM
Ok, I'll ask.... What is RTFM?
Read the f ing manual.
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RTFM - read the f'ing manual. Of course, I don't always, but I try.
Ahhh! Same here.
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Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
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Like the noob in the video says, lots of people just tell noobs that it's easy to root and flash ROMs. Most of the time, it's implied that the process is easy providing that the noob reads and learns on his/her own. Unfortunately, inference isn't universal, and a lot of noobs think "it's easy" means that it doesn't matter what they flash, it's all the same.
As a former comp. sci. major, I had enough experience with computers to know that it wouldn't work that way, so I read as much as I could until I could practically flash ROMs in my sleep before even risked I messing something up. Most people aren't tech heads or comp. sci. majors, and all phones seem the same to people who don't understand phones. If they were really different in the noob's perspective, he/she would remember whether they have the LG Optimus or the Keyocera Echo. If someone doesn't realize that there's a huge difference between an HTC One vs. the Samsung Note 2, why does it matter to them which forum the ROM is from? I mean, "it's so easy!" Why not flash the first ROM they find?
Sorry for the rant. I'm someone who tells his friends that rooting and flashing ROMs is easy, but only if they're willing to read and learn on their own before jumping in, and I warn them that they could destroy their phones if they're not careful. I then reiterate that flashing is easy once you learn enough not to brick your phone and offer to help them find all the info they need. Most just decide it's not worth the risk, and they settle for the stock experience. That's how it should be. If you don't want to spend the time learning it, then don't spend the time doing it.
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kennyglass123 said:
Yes, I read for a month before rooting my Epic 4G and STILL was sweating through the process...how these people can just grab a phone, root and flash a ROM not for their device is beyond me.
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I read for about a month for my GS3. First I rooted, the unrooted/triangleaway'd and odin'd back to stock to make sure I knew what I was doing. Then I took another 2 weeks to read up on ROMs, and then I finally flashed one. The ONLY times I've bricked my phone are more or less on purpose, just because I like tinkering, and I always fixed it myself. I don't even know how people can just start flashing either I was so tedious about it, still am.
My parents got smartphones before I did and their phones are on GB still, they don't even know that android versions go higher than GB (or what GB is) they think their phones are the bees knees just because they're android lol, it's just as well though because they never tried rooting them.
Edit: I'd also like to add that I was extremely paranoid about backing up my phone the first time I flashed my first ROM. I used TIBU to back up onto my external SD, then I copied that folder to my computer and also uploaded it to dropbox and google drive, and then I made a nandroid of my stock phone which I still keep on my PC just in case.
"Flashing a phone is not the same as using a toaster."
Words to live by.
I was on my g2x for almost a year and then I had to wait 2 months before I got my s3 after release, but in those two months I kept checking every s3 thread on the root process to see if it was like the g2x method which it wasn't. People who just get a phone and think they automatically turn into a phone expert cuz they got a good phone is just plain retarded. Moral of the story read before you post/ask questions
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This is not getting as many hits as it needs. It should be a video all new members are forced to watch. Those of us new to flashing can learn something and those of us who know what we are doing because we RTFM can have a nice laugh.
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OMFG I laughed so hard. This is a depiction of a common day at XDA. Sad but true.
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So I play the Simpsons tapped out regularly and I looked for a cheat BC why not. I came across a guy that had TONS of comments asking about rooting their phones.
This guy linked people who never thought of rooting, heard of it or even wanted to try it to XDA to root their devices blindly(minus the tutorials here) so they can use his cheat.
Mind you I love XDA and want to see it grow but do you think that is bad for our community as it brings people here blind and will cause issues or it is a good thing BC it helps build our community?
I honestly think it is awful as these people have no idea how hard it can be for some people to maintain a rooted device or unlock a boot loader(dependent upon phone)
I also think its AWFUL that he tells people it will not void their warranty or harm their phone in his video.
Am I nuts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVJTwFEPkJY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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