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I'm hoping to buy an android wear smartwatch soon but I'm torn between the Moto 360 and LG Urbane. I'm leaning towards the Moto 360 mainly for the larger screen and wireless charging. But not 100% keen on the bottom bar even though I know it's needed and the design can't work without it but does spoil the design somewhat though some watch faces seem to work well with it.
I generally prefer the design of the 360 over the Urbane, though screen is slightly better resolution on the Urbane thought would prefer the bigger screen. I just want to know what the Moto 360 is like to use daily and if the bottom bar really is much of an issue and would you rather get the Urbane?
mikesaa309 said:
Hi,
I'm hoping to buy an android wear smartwatch soon but I'm torn between the Moto 360 and LG Urbane. I'm leaning towards the Moto 360 mainly for the larger screen and wireless charging. But not 100% keen on the bottom bar even though I know it's needed and the design can't work without it but does spoil the design somewhat though some watch faces seem to work well with it.
I generally prefer the design of the 360 over the Urbane, though screen is slightly better resolution on the Urbane thought would prefer the bigger screen. I just want to know what the Moto 360 is like to use daily and if the bottom bar really is much of an issue and would you rather get the Urbane?
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Not much of an issue to me.. I guess its personal. I realize something that I prefer in the Moto 360. In comparison to the LG watch R, the cards in it tends to get cut off, which it will not happen in moto 360.
Just got a black one yest from a closing radio shack for 125. I already have a pebble steel, but i kinda like the android wear exp.
I got one today. I returned a pebble steel with a broken button. I've had it for a few hours now. I will be returning it this evening and getting another Pebble Steel. If I can convince them to give me a full refund, I might wait for the Pebble Time.
When I brought the 360 home, it was at 12% battery life. This was to be expected. I was able to turn it on for about 30 seconds before auto-shutdown. I set a timer. It took 2 hours and 33 minutes to fully charge. It immediately wanted to upgrade after turning it on and completing setup. (v5.0.2)
It has been 4 hours and I'm down to 27%. Granted I've used the watch more than I normally would as I get used to the menus, but this is not acceptable. If I reduce it to what I consider to be normal use, it will not last the day.
The watch is glitchy and doesn't always register touch. When I am able to navigate to the menu I want, the watch will frequently and randomly vibrate and shut itself off while I'm in the middle of something (the same behavior as it I had covered it with my palm). This is beyond annoying.
About 50% of the time, the watch fails to turn the display on when I lift my arm (the standard lift and rotate gesture shown on the youtube videos). I've put this through extensive testing, and the exact same gesture (what I've found to be the most effective) is only effective about 50% of the time.
The heart rate monitor doesn't work. The strap is on tight and I have actually cleared a part of my arm of hair to test it. I have never been able to get a successful heart rate. I even got my girlfriend to try it. The lights on the back come on, but nobody is home.
Most of the best watch faces and apps require a purchase. I suppose this is by intention (the designers do deserve to profit from their designs). But the real annoyance is that there is a lot of bait-and-charge software too. Software that claims to be free on the Play store, only to find it severely handicapped until you pay via an in-app purchase. AFAIK this is a big kick in the teeth for the Android Wear community and a major drawback. It won't turn away the hardened Android fan-boys who already have invested in the apps they like, but it will turn of a lot of people on the fence. If you are gonna charge for your app, at least be up-front about it. Its shady as hell.
Furthermore, I've detected that there appears to be a lot of very similar watch faces. The comments and reviews indicate that there is rampant design theft and doesn't appear to be any checks in place to prevent this. As such, I have no idea that when I am purchasing a watch app, that I'm giving money to the original artist or a plagiarist.
Not all circular watch faces will render correctly. The "flat tire" utility bay will cut some of them off.
The watch is not visible in direct sunlight. I don't care what the reviews say. I was outside in the bright sunlight today and I could barely read the watch face.
The vibration is not strong enough. When the Pebble Steel vibrated, it was very strong, but not intrusively so. This watch I can hardly even feel when I'm expecting it. Not acceptable.
Step counter doesn't work, but this is to be expected. Even the Pebble Steel was off. I've always maintained that wrist based pedometers are a fad and can't tell what your legs are doing.
Sorry for being critical, but you did presumably ask for honest opinions. I suppose it is subjective, but the 360 isn't for me. It feels very Beta. Maybe the 360 2 will get it right, but this watch is a pass IMO.
I been wanting a new gadget to play with.
I bought someone's NIB black refurb off CL for $120. So far it's been a cool experience. I don't regret my purchase. YMMV it's a personal thing.
I bought a SONY smart watch. Turned it on, could figure out anything, couldn't get it pair. Turn it off, left it in the shopping bag somewhere.
pacificwing said:
Sorry for being critical, but you did presumably ask for honest opinions. I suppose it is subjective, but the 360 isn't for me. It feels very Beta. Maybe the 360 2 will get it right, but this watch is a pass IMO.
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Anyone with a 360 could have told you now was not the time to buy...
Motorola still haven't figured out the 5.1 update, and the previous update seriously hurt battery life and the tilt-to-wake function. Right now we're all in the same boat, just trying to keep the thing working properly till the end of the day...
The original software on the 360 was very responsive and had good battery life so we know it can work, but our only hope now is that Motorola's team of trained chimpanzee coders manages to set it right.
Tag Heuer Watch faces
Do we've Tag Heuer watch faces for this watch, I am willing to buy this watch I would like to know if this is worh purchasing or should I go for Moto 360 2nd Gen ?
https://www.facerepo.com/app/search/results?sortOrder=relevance&query=tag+heurer&page=1
I believe it's worth purchasing.
I found a review / compare of both of them: http://www.gizmag.com/moto-360-2-vs-huawei-watch-comparison-review/39774/
The 360 gen 2 has this thing called a "flat tyre look" where the bottom of the screen is cut off.. I don't like that at all. The Huawai looks better and I think closer to a proper watch.
My main driver for buying the Huawai is that it looks smart when I wear business clothes. The 360 is close and would also do the job but the cut off bit of the screen looks odd and annoying.
The 360 in ambient mode looks very pixilated, where the HW looks crystal clear and defined. Plus with the sapphire scratch resistant face you'll never scratch it. I've got 10 year old TAG's with spotless sapphire faces. It's a truly awesome mineral second hardest to diamonds.
The watch is frigging awesome.
Sorry to write on an old post, but since the release of the Connected I was wondering if you could get the official watch faces to the Huawei watch. Thanks!
They are on https://facerepo.com/app/
Choose your watch as the Huawei and then scroll through a few of the pages. You will see around 3 to 4 pages in the Connected faces. My Huawei is charging but here is one on my LG R. First on is fully on and the second is dimmed. Very nice face on the LG but even better on the Huawei! Pm me if you cant them.
I was in the market for a new watch and figured that I may as well check out Android Wear. After reviewing and looking into all of the Android Wear watches currently available, I was torn between the Fossil Q Founder and the Huawei Watch. I ended up going with the Fossil because I figured it would be more future proof with the Intel Atom processor and 1GB of ram. I also read an article by Android Police on the Fossil Q Founder that stated it had an internal speaker for future use. (Which, it does not!) I did like the design and overall look of the Fossil. However, it was pretty huge and it didn't fit / feel right on my wrist at all and was too bulky. This, the flat tire, and the fact that it doesn't have the speaker was just too much. So I decided to return it. I should have went with my first choice, which was the Huawei Watch.
I ordered the stainless steel / black leather Huawei Watch from BH Photo Video for $309 on Dec 22nd. They gave me free overnight shipping and do not charge sales tax, which is awesome. I received it the next day. It is kind of my Christmas present to myself. (The Fossil was suppose to be) I love it! It is much nicer than the Fossil. The display is better, the steel finish looks nicer, and even the leather band seems nicer / higher quality than the one on the Fossil. It fits me perfect and feels awesome on my wrist. I prefer a larger watch face and the Huawei Watch is perfect for me. It's not to big, yet not to small. I love that it has the speaker for future use as well.
I thought I would post this for people who are thinking about getting the Huawei Watch but are also looking at the Fossil Q Founder. As someone who originally purchased the Fossil and had it in person, trust me. Get the Huawei. It is so much nicer in every way. If you browse around you can find the leather band version for around $300, only $25 more than the Fossil with the leather band. I went with the Fossil originally because I thought it would be more future proof but the fact that it does not have a speaker destroys that concept in my opinion.
Huawei watch is the best looking smart watch on the market right now. No if or buts about it. I have had the black one for a month now and have gotten tons of compliments.
I just love it and can't wait to see what they are going to do with the 2nd generation.
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I was in the market for a new watch and figured that I may as well check out Android Wear. After reviewing and looking into all of the Android Wear watches currently available, I was torn between the Fossil Q Founder and the Huawei Watch. I ended up going with the Fossil because I figured it would be more future proof with the Intel Atom processor and 1GB of ram. I also read an article by Android Police on the Fossil Q Founder that stated it had an internal speaker for future use. (Which, it does not!) I did like the design and overall look of the Fossil. However, it was pretty huge and it didn't fit / feel right on my wrist at all and was too bulky. This, the flat tire, and the fact that it doesn't have the speaker was just too much. So I decided to return it. I should have went with my first choice, which was the Huawei Watch.
I ordered the stainless steel / black leather Huawei Watch from BH Photo Video for $309 on Dec 22nd. They gave me free overnight shipping and do not charge sales tax, which is awesome. I received it the next day. It is kind of my Christmas present to myself. (The Fossil was suppose to be) I love it! It is much nicer than the Fossil. The display is better, the steel finish looks nicer, and even the leather band seems nicer / higher quality than the one on the Fossil. It fits me perfect and feels awesome on my wrist. I prefer a larger watch face and the Huawei Watch is perfect for me. It's not to big, yet not to small. I love that it has the speaker for future use as well.
I thought I would post this for people who are thinking about getting the Huawei Watch but are also looking at the Fossil Q Founder. As someone who originally purchased the Fossil and had it in person, trust me. Get the Huawei. It is so much nicer in every way. If you browse around you can find the leather band version for around $300, only $25 more than the Fossil with the leather band. I went with the Fossil originally because I thought it would be more future proof but the fact that it does not have a speaker destroys that concept in my opinion.
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FYI, the Huawei Watch was designed by a Swiss certified Horologist (named Ben Norton) who has 50 credited designs and has worked for both Armani and (ironically) Fossil.
With his design input, a sapphire crystal display and a cold-forged stainless steel unibody frame, there really is no other choice in the sub $1000 Smartwatch category. After Huawei, there is TAG. Nothing else comes close in premium design and feel.
Covart said:
FYI, the Huawei Watch was designed by a Swiss certified Horologist (named Ben Norton) who has 50 credited designs and has worked for both Armani and (ironically) Fossil.
With his design input, a sapphire crystal display and a cold-forged stainless steel unibody frame, there really is no other choice in the sub $1000 Smartwatch category. After Huawei, there is TAG. Nothing else comes close in premium design and feel.
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Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
Rektifying said:
Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
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The leather band of LG Urbane is very low quality. I suggest you to get to one shop and feel in on hand. Huawei is doing well on their first smartwatch, nice looking and very comfortable band.
TouchOne Keyboard said:
The leather band of LG Urbane is very low quality. I suggest you to get to one shop and feel in on hand. Huawei is doing well on their first smartwatch, nice looking and very comfortable band.
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I tried on the Urbane at Best Buy. It does not feel right at all. It is too "long" or "tall". Hard to explain, but feels awkward on my wrist. I am glad I ended up with the Huawei. To me, it is the best smartwatch available. I obviously base this on opinion of design and facts of hardware. (Sapphire Crystal, Cold Forged Stainless Steel) I did check out the Tag online. It does look pretty sweet, but definitely more sporty looking. Don't get me wrong I would definitely wear it, but I honestly prefer the design of the Huawei over the Tag. Also, if I am going to spend $1500+ on a watch, it is definitely going to be a nice analog watch that is not going to turn into "old gen" or "outdated tech".
Rektifying said:
Thank you for the info. I definitely never knew all of this. I am really liking this watch. It looks and feels much more premium than the Fossil Q Founder. I should have known better. I mean, I would never buy a cheap Fossil analog watch, so why would their smartwatch be any more premium? Oh well.... it's gone now.
What do you think about the LG Urbane? I did look at that one as well. It does appear more premium than the Asus and Motorola offerings. I did like the design, but not as much as the Huawei and when I tried it on at Best Buy though it didn't feel right.
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I've owned the LG G Watch, LG Urbane, and now the Huawei watch (since it launched in September). The Urbane is awkward as you said; its very tall with a smaller display, and the feel isn't great. The Huawei Watch I have with the SS Milanese band feels significantly better. I've owned my Huawei Watch for what seems like a long time now, and I don't regret it at all. The AMOLED display is great, and I really like the brushed SS sides and polished front. The only thing that would make it better is if it had a rotating bezel like Samsung's Gear S2 does. I've used the Gear S2, and the only nice thing about it is the bezel, everything else is meh. I also tried the Moto 360 gen 2, and the LCD display/flat tore ruin it for me. My Huawei Watch gets mistaken for a real watch on a daily basis, so it's funny to watch peoples reaction when they see that it's a smart watch.
Hey everyone,
So I like to bike maybe once a week and have typically used Map My Ride or Strava to, well, map my rides. But I'm on Project Fi now so am becoming a miser with my data. I was thinking of getting a SW3 and using GhostRacer and the built in GPS to handle that but wanted to see if it is still worth it. I know the 360 Sport is around but the reviews haven't been stellar. Assuming the price is in the $100-$125 range is it still worth it?
I do also go to the gym a couple of days a week so keeping music on the watch and using headphones is a plus as well.
Thanks,
I owned both SW3 and Moto 360 Sport, however I just sold the 360 Sport yesterday because the battery drained on it a lot faster than on the SW3. I prefered the look of the Moto 360 Sport over the SW3 even though I own the SS, Universal strap and silicone strap for the SW3. Both are also water resistant.
Here is a breakdown of pro and cons.
The display of both watches are similar other than round vs square, however the Moto display is a bit nicer with more vibrant colors and while in ambient mode it's in color vs b&w.
Moto 360 Sport also has a built in optical HR monitor SW3 does not.
SW3 has replaceable watch band, infinite combination, Moto 360 Sport comes in White, Black, and Orange and you can not replace the bands.
Again, battery life is night and day better on the SW3 additionally you can charge is with any Micro USB cable vs a proprietary wireless charger. Additionally SW3 charges really fast, almost 2X faster than Moto 360 Sport.
SW3 has built in NFC, you can't do much with it now but future updates may give you more options.
I haven't used either watch with the headphones, so I can't comment on that aspect of the watch.
So I would say go with SW3 and save some money, you'll have no regrets.
Had the SW3 for about 6 months now and I love it. I use it for tracking runs, playing music paired with BT headphones and for keeping track of my appointments. It's great for the price, but I suggest holding out a while longer until announcements for support (or lack thereof) for Android Wear 2.0 come out. Motorola has confirmed it won't be getting the software update for the 1st gen Moto360, so there's a good chance the SW3 won't either..so you might be better off getting one of the newer models. I'm thinking the price might still go down if it won't support AW 2.0, but if it does, at the current price it's a steal.
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Motorola has confirmed it won't be getting the software update for the 1st gen Moto360, so there's a good chance the SW3 won't either..so you might be better off getting one of the newer models.
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Because first gen has bad processor and bad battery.
SW3 has same processor than Moto 2nd gen and other actual wear watch.
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Because first gen has bad processor and bad battery.
SW3 has same processor than Moto 2nd gen and other actual wear watch.
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I won't get my hopes up. It may have the hardware requirements , but seeing as the SW3 was the last of the 1st gen devices to get the recent android update, Sony may not be too keen on putting any more effort into the device. Still a great device for the price it's going for now though, and a good entry point into Android Wear for minimal $. Just bear in mind that when purchasing any piece of tech, it's bound to become obsolete in a year or so, simply because that's how fast technology is evolving. Hardly anything is future-proof these days.
I have this watch for a couple of months now and yes I absolutely love it. Might even buy a second one, for no other reason than having a spare, just in case. I'm sad that smart watches aren't really popular - I'd love to have a SW3 with better hardware and a heart rate sensor - but this watch is great. I use it for stuff like skating and thanks to the great location tracking, I can safely leave my phone at home, and when I'm back it will sync my whole route. This took a looong time the last time I did it, but ok, I rode for 30km so that's probably a lot of data to sync. Now I can see my entire route back on Google Fit. I really love that.
As a sysadmin I also use my watch for easy notifications, and for dispatching tasks to Tasker, using WearTasker. It's great that I don't need to take my phone each time I get a notification. This also applies to when I'm driving - using my phone when I'm on the road is something I absolutely never do, and now, when I get a message, I get it on my watch, so at least I can see if it's something urgent.
The voice capabilities work well enough to also make this a lovable feature.
The rubber wrist band fits nicely. I also bought a, what's the name, the plastic thing in which you can fit a band of your own choice. But I like the rubber band a lot more.
The display works great with a screen protector and the light sensor also works good.
All in all.. what's there not to love about this watch?
Have had mine for about seven months now. Overall I'm very happy with the watch and will probably (hopefully) keep it for a long time.
I'm most impressed by the battery life, which is great, and the durability of the display. I'm very neurotic about my phone's screen, always using tempered glass protectors, but I've worn the SW3 without any kind of screen condom pretty much all the time for over half a year, and the display still looks like brand spanking new. Thing is tough, is what I'm saying.
I just went through all of this myself when my original SW3 broke. I went through all of the available smartwatches and started narrowing them down. I like running but hate taking my phone because of its size (6p). I found an awesome Amazon Warehouse deal on a 360 Sport. The band is a deal breaker. Plain and simple. Its awful. Everything sticks to it and it was uncomfortable for me. This wouldn't be an issue normally, but you cannot replace the band...ever. Also, potential issue with the 360 Sport is IP67 water resistance vs IP68 on the Sony SW3.
I also tried the Samsung Gear S due to its IP68 rating and heart rate. While the fit and finish is above and beyond what the SW3 has to offer, I missed the always-on TFT screen, Wear, Google Now (voice commands work amazingly well), and my customized Watchmaker Premium face (with Tasker integration .
I would still choose the SW3 today due to these things: battery life (2 days not uncommon), TFT display (always on without killing battery-visible in direct sunlight), ambient light sensor (I'm looking at you Huawei and Asus), microUSB charging (yes, it's kinda a pain, but you can charge anywhere-getting a right-angle USB cable helps make it less annoying to plug in), and interchangeable bands (I have 2 bands now. They are comfortable for me and quick clasp). Lack of heart rate does not bother me b/c I don't think any wrist-based HR is accurate enough to matter.
Note: I use my SW3 with headphones all the time. Works great. Syncing music is cake with Play Music, though, since it has USB, I would prefer if it supported MTP and you could just drag and drop whatever straight to the device. Definitely not a problem, just annoying to have to wait for all your offline music to sync over BT.
My main issue with my SW3 is the very very.... poor readability indoor in dim mode. With low light it is very difficult to read. And with only black & white dim mode most of the wear face are very bad. Even the pebble time LCD screen color is much better
Good outdoor 1% of the time but bad indoor 99% of the time.
dersie said:
My main issue with my SW3 is the very very.... poor readability indoor in dim mode. With low light it is very difficult to read. And with only black & white dim mode most of the wear face are very bad. Even the pebble time LCD screen color is much better
Good outdoor 1% of the time but bad indoor 99% of the time.
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I will say that the LCD in the SW3 is not the best for viewing angles and resolution. However, readability is never an issue for me. The main reason is the ambient light sensor. I tried a Zenwatch 2 (which is a nice watch for the money), but the lack of the ambient light sensor meant the screen was always too dim or too bright. I don't want to fiddle with brightness every time I go outside or back inside. Yes, the always on TFT mode is going not the greatest for inside, but that's not its point. Still, sitting here at my desk under weak, florescent light, I can read it perfectly at a glance. That is another selling point for this watch. It is fairly useful as a watch...lol.
I am bit disappointed with my SW3, or more with Android Wear actually.
Besides notifications I have not been able to find much use for it. I had Pebble for two years and loved the way it handled notifications, with a certain third party app though. IMO Android Wear is quite clumsy and I miss more customisation options especially with the way notifications are handled. My battery lasts about a day and a night. For a smartwatch I guess that is not bad but I do miss Pebble's several days of juice.
So I am not sure if I would buy one now that I have used SW3 for few months...
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Which Smart Watch?
I own the Sony S3 Smartwatch, the Samsung Gear S2 and two Moto 360 2nd generation watches. Yes, I have four smart watches for no reason other than I love gadgets. I also owned the Huawei smart watch for about a week before I exchanged it for a Moto 360. The Huawei is great but I have huge wrists. So the Moto looks best on my wrist. Anyway, I use each watch for different activities. Each watch has it's pros and cons and correlates directly to which activities they are best for. For instance, the Sony Smartwatch has the best waterproof rating. So I wear the Sony to the beach and for playing beach volleyball (any activity with the possibility of submersion). The Sony is also one of the only watches with on-board GPS. That's great when you want to track your movement without lugging the phone around with you. The Samsung Gear S2 is probably the most versatile and it's sort of a hybrid between a sports watch and a casual dinner watch (depends on which band you install). The Samsung works great in every aspect and is probably the best overall performer but you cannot wear it as a luxury piece. It just does not have the look of a luxury piece. That's where the Moto 360 2nd Gen comes into play. The Moto performs great but you don't want to wear it playing beach volleyball. The Moto is designed to look like a luxury time piece and it looks the part. Of course the stock straps with the Moto are absolute garbage. You will want to order good thick leather straps online (or nice stainless steel). Once you have installed the new 3rd party strap your Moto will look very much like a fine time piece similar to a Breitling, Tagheur, Omega, etc.... Then you just need to use the Watchmaker premium app to download hundreds of custom watch faces that resemble luxury time pieces. In conclusion, if you want the smart watch solely for exercise I suggest the Sony S3. If you want a very nice (large) watch that looks like a Rolex I'd suggest the Moto 360 (46 mm). If you want a smart watch for the office and exercising I'd suggest the Samsung Gear S2. Most importantly, all three of these watches are top performers with good processors and great screens. So the only thing that differs greatly is the appearance of the piece itself.
Hello!
So my LG Watch R has been dying slowly...from many dead pixels to not hearing very well when I give commands any more.
Because of what LG tried to do to LG Watch R owners when the Urbane was coming out, I will NOT support LG by buying their products so I am looking for a new watch and it seems the Huawei is the only one I like. The new Urbanes are kind of ugly anyways and I do not want any flat tire displays.
What is the current status of the Huawei watch guys....pros and cons? Anything to look forward any time soon that runs Android Wear?
I own a Huawei Mediapad X2 which I love but is not without some issues (mainly GPS having to restart after a while for it to work again).
Thanks!
Hi Shaolin,
I recently upgraded from the Moto 360 (1st Gen) to the Huawei Watch after my watch fully messed up.
All around, it's a much better watch. Faster, the battery life is great, and no flat tire. The speaker is a big draw but is not very loud and almost impossible to hear unless you put it up to your ear in moderately loud places (like grocery stores). That being said, I honestly feel like my Moto was more responsive to voice commands. Considering the main draw of an Android Wear device is the ability to use voice commands, this is actually kind of a big deal. If I had known what I know now, I might have just upgraded to the Moto 360 2nd Gen. The Huawei Watch is also just slightly on the too thick side.
Don't get me wrong, I really like it... But I loved my 360. If I had the choice knowing what I know today, it would be a 50/50 decision between the two... Maybe even an extra percent or two toward to 360 based on my experience with the first gen.
Hope this helps!
I did the exact same upgrade a few days ago and for pretty much the same reasons. On top of that my G4 died 2 weeks ago, so no more LG for me. What I noticed is a bit worse is the vibration. I just can't feel it at all. Other than that it feels like an all around upgrade