How is it possible to hold this tab in portrait mode with those stupid hardware buttons located at where my left had is supposed to grip the tab?
I think this will be a turnoff for people who intend to use the tablet mainly for reading and annotating textbook, unless there is an option to disable hardware buttons while in portrait mode or completely disable them and replace them with software buttons with orientation.
The alternative will be holding the tablet upside down with the left hand gripping the camera
btw this is the only issue holding me from buying this tab
It seems like people are making a bigger issue out of this than it actually is. The long side is around 10 inches long and the buttons might take up three. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it without accidental button presses. In my opinion, having the menu button just below my thumb is a welcome feature.
Since the buttons are on the long side, that is the default way of holding it. Now the question is that if you are holding it with left hand, why you don't simply rotate it to other direction?
miloytyn said:
Since the buttons are on the long side, that is the default way of holding it. Now the question is that if you are holding it with left hand, why you don't simply rotate it to other direction?
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Being a right handed person i hold the tab by the left hand and write/turn pages by the right.
I'm not sure if holding the tab by the camera is a wise idea, for the risk of accidentally touching the camera lens.
fryguy18 said:
It seems like people are making a bigger issue out of this than it actually is. The long side is around 10 inches long and the buttons might take up three. I'm sure you'll be able to handle it without accidental button presses. In my opinion, having the menu button just below my thumb is a welcome feature.
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It may be only me but I'm more comfortable holding the tab from the middle of the left side.
Kimo377 said:
Being a right handed person i hold the tab by the left hand and write/turn pages by the right.
I'm not sure if holding the tab by the camera is a wise idea, for the risk of accidentally touching the camera lens.
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Well I don't see why touch the lens is that bad thing, as it usually is the part of phone, for exsample, which is touching table etc. And any fingerprints can be easily wiped from the lens. But that is just me.
ps. I don't understand using covers with phones either, with tablet they are more useful.
Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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Well I don't see why touch the lens is that bad thing, as it usually is the part of phone, for exsample, which is touching table etc. And any fingerprints can be easily wiped from the lens. But that is just me.
ps. I don't understand using covers with phones either, with tablet they are more useful.
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For me phone cover is more important since I drop it frequently unlike the tab
Han Solo 1 said:
Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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You are right about the back camera but the front one i use frequently for video calls.
Looks like i'm the only one that actually likes the idea of a hard button! it's an instant access to home, not being able to do this on a nexus annoys me, but i don't see why this should be a deal breaker really.
Han Solo 1 said:
Yep, this is the only drawback I see. My stupid Crapple fans are going to laugh at me with their thin-bezeled, button free iPad 5's.
I don't know why the hell they had to put a hardware button on it. Hardware buttons on tablets are stupid.
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I'll probably rotate it and hold it by the camera lens. It's not like I'll ever use a gigantic tablet to take a picture anyway. That's why I'm getting my Note 3, so I can take pictures with a gigantic phone.
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Say what you will but I think an inch bezel around the whole tablet is necessary, how else you plan on holding the thing if there is no room for your thumb. I could care less about what any isheep has to say about my tablet.
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thank god it has a thin bezel and a hard button. finally i'm convinced to buy a tablet.
I was holding of for years until there was one like this one. why dont you guys that want a thick bezel get one of the other dozen tablets that have the design you want. they have been out for years.
demz92 said:
Looks like i'm the only one that actually likes the idea of a hard button! it's an instant access to home, not being able to do this on a nexus annoys me, but i don't see why this should be a deal breaker really.
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While im not crazy about the idea I do have a Note 2 and already i'm use to them being there.
Actually I can see some benefits....
I'm sure you can disable the buttons or a program will come out that can.
In fact here is a rough draft on how to hack them...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34247225&postcount=14
The reason why they have physical buttons is because since 4.2 and up, the tablet UI became the phone UI. So you no longer had a bar at the bottom, one side with cappy buttons and the other with the notification drawer.
Instead you have a status bar like on phones AND a bar at the bottom for only three buttons. Less screen estate, especially considering that Samsung would use the Home, Back and Menu buttons in capacitive form. That takes away quite a bit of screen space and you can see it happening especially in videos. To get what I mean, take a look at the 4.2.2 firmware for the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. More screen is lost because the design guidelines have changed.
What Samsung's done is take away the bottom bar and used the physical buttons instead. Not the best solution but it allows for more screen space. On the Note, it'd be a bit of a shame to have about a centimetre thick part of that awesome screen taken up by three buttons.
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Soryuu said:
The reason why they have physical buttons is because since 4.2 and up, the tablet UI became the phone UI. So you no longer had a bar at the bottom, one side with cappy buttons and the other with the notification drawer.
Instead you have a status bar like on phones AND a bar at the bottom for only three buttons. Less screen estate, especially considering that Samsung would use the Home, Back and Menu buttons in capacitive form. That takes away quite a bit of screen space and you can see it happening especially in videos. To get what I mean, take a look at the 4.2.2 firmware for the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1. More screen is lost because the design guidelines have changed.
What Samsung's done is take away the bottom bar and used the physical buttons instead. Not the best solution but it allows for more screen space. On the Note, it'd be a bit of a shame to have about a centimetre thick part of that awesome screen taken up by three buttons.
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I agree with this. Though I am not a huge fan of the physical buttons I really like that it has the extra screen real-estate.
someone will mod it soon. i've actually gotten used to the buttons on my gn8. the only time hate em is when gaming. the rom I use has a mod to turn them off and only make them useable via spen. you'll get used to it too. you may never like it, but you can find a work around.
As someone who owns this tablet the physical buttons are a huge step backwards. Why? That POS menu key. Coming from the original Note 10.1 it's ridiculous constantly hitting that menu button to find out if it has a menu available. Compare to the original Note 10.1 where menu options appear in the action bar. Samsung has completely ruined the tablet experience with their incredibly stupid design choices. This tablet is such a huge pain to navigate. Why can't somebody else offer a Wacom stylus on their 10" Android tablet? I wish Google would throw an S Pen'ish stylus on their Nexus 10 so I can rid myself of Samsung's incompetence. I've never had such a frustrating tech purchase.
I have a Note II with a physical menu key but it's not nearly as frustrating because everything is so close together. I feel like my hand is running a marathon with this tablet having to move all ovef the place to navigate the UI.
I love the S Pen. It works beautifully. The screen is gorgeous. It's not a brick like some other high resolution tablets. It's very powerful and fast. Why oh why did they throw hardware keys on this thing and muck everything up. I would gladly take the black bar on the bottom with home, task switch and back if I could.
The disable hardware keys mod cannot come fast enough for me.
i'm not really diggin the physical buttons either. there's enough screen real estate to have the nav bar on the bottom. the home button is ok, but the menu and back have becoe more and more of a nuisance. i tolerate them on the gn8 b/c of the extra screen area i get plus using the soft nav buttons hack doesn't hide button properly in full screen video.
i can get use them being there on the note10 but i don't won't like them better than soft nav buttons. i hope if they hack it that it'll properly hide in full screen.
I haven't read the posts in this thread, but I wanted to comment that I happen to like the hard buttons. I'm right handed and hold it with my left like OP. I like that I can reach the option, home and return buttons (this is what you all mean by "hard buttons" right?) with my thumb. The design feels very intuitive and quite natural. I also recently found out that you can quickly access the task manager by holding down the home button. It will open up a menu similar to the menu that opened when you pressed the double rectangle button on the older model. The more time I spend with this device the more I love it. My mom is actually getting the new Note 3 so she's going to let me have her Note 2. I can finally get rid of this iphone 3 that came free with my contract.
Hello
I'm looking for a mid-range phone to upgrade to (currently using Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo) and the S4 Mini looks really good for a mid-budget phone. But my question is, how easy is it to handle this phone, physically? I'm a telecommunications equipment fitter, my job involves a lot of hanging upside-down in broadcasting towers, and I wouldn't exactly want to drop a phone from at least 30 meter height. (which also means, no BIG phones for me)
Thanks.
shadow of a soul said:
But my question is, how easy is it to handle this phone, physically? I'm a telecommunications equipment fitter, my job involves a lot of hanging upside-down in broadcasting towers, and I wouldn't exactly want to drop a phone from at least 30 meter height.
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There are four hardware issues:
1) The back cover is quite slippery. You can add some grip with a bit of tape.
2) No notification led, so you'll need to look at the lockscreen to see if you missed something. Maybe someone will make a mod to use the menu/back button backlight as notification light?
3) Volume keys on the left side, which is great if you're left-handed but not if you're with the right-handed 90%. Because the power button is right on the other side it's very easy to press by accident when you're adjusting the volume. Samsung should move the power button to the top of the phone in future models.
4) No lanyard hole, which may be a big issue when you're playing Angry Birds upside down on a broadcasting tower. You can run a lanyard through the camera and led flash holes. I pulled a camera wrist strap through them and it fit really well.
I have screen tearing or something around the border of my Moto 360. It's clearly noticeable when on a black screen. I can see the flickering/tearing around the border on everything.
Any solution?
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Have you tried resetting the watch? Perhaps check and make sure that you've updated the watch to the latest Android Wear firmware? Might want to contact Motorola /Google Play if neither of those resolve the issue. Could be a defect.
cheami said:
I have screen tearing or something around the border of my Moto 360. It's clearly noticeable when on a black screen. I can see the flickering/tearing around the border on everything.
Any solution?
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I don't see any tearing/flickering. Are you referring to the distortion caused by the shape of the glass around the edges?
cheami said:
I have screen tearing or something around the border of my Moto 360. It's clearly noticeable when on a black screen. I can see the flickering/tearing around the border on everything.
Any solution?
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I don't see anything..Your watch is fine.
My moto 360 also started doing this today while I was messing with it. It is not the distortion of the glass edge. The edge of the screen is flickering and there is a bright glow around it. It is most visible in the settings menu. It started doing this when I was testing the navigation. My high accuracy was off on my phone and the 360 crashed. It took awhile for the screen to come back. At first I thought it was due to the battery being below 20% but that is not the case. I've since reset it and rebooted it but it hasn't fixed it. Did yours get fixed?
Motorola is becoming a second rate company
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My moto 360 also started doing this today while I was messing with it. It is not the distortion of the glass edge. The edge of the screen is flickering and there is a bright glow around it. It is most visible in the settings menu. It started doing this when I was testing the navigation. My high accuracy was off on my phone and the 360 crashed. It took awhile for the screen to come back. At first I thought it was due to the battery being below 20% but that is not the case. I've since reset it and rebooted it but it hasn't fixed it. Did yours get fixed?
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I have the same problem with my moto 360 2nd gen. screen flicker and a flickering image of the display when charging that doesn't go away. Called motorola and the customer support (if you can even call him that) admitted that he has seen quite a few of watches with the exact same problem come in lately. Since this is a problem that "quite a few people are experiencing" why do I have to pay for it to be fixed. Although my 1 year warranty did expire 1 week ago.. go figure. That was another thing he said.. it wouldnt matter if your warranty expired 1 day ago, you would still have to pay to get it fixed... (even though this is a problem that they are aware of) so again, like moto 360 gen 1 they ship a product that is sub par and too bad so sad for the customer.. so much for trusting a brand like motorola.. not again.. going to buy the new LG smartwatch sport and never go back to motorola. Anyone want to buy a POS moto 360 2nd gen for cheap?
So far my new zenwatch has been great. However, I have noticed in a couple apps such as Multi Calculator for wear, that buttons at the bottom like . and at the top like ac/c don't respond very well. Then I noticed that throughout the entire watch interface, the top and bottom 1/4 of the screen (not the bezel) are entirely unresponsive to touch. I wanted to see if this was a defect or possibly a byproduct of that curved glass not allowing the capacitive sensor to extend beyond that middle portion of the screen. Does anyone else notice this?
I've mostly been marking it up to bad aim on my part but it seems to me that I often miss touches in the upper right corner. Too soon to tell if it's the watch or just my shakiness.
Yeah I thought my aim was off too. Try dragging from the top on the watch face screen. You'll notice it actually starts to pull it down a few millimeters from the top. I was hoping it was a defect so I could just exchange it but my fear is that they all do it and it is not fixable via software.
I agree that the first couple of millimeters of the actual screen don't respond but nowhere near 1/4 of it.
I notice this on my zenwatch after using an lg g watch, g watch r and moto 360 all side by side. The zenwatch also seams less accurate on thing nlike minuum keyboard and generally with scrolling. I suspect a cheaper less accurate digitizer has been used?
On mine I can hit the topmost part of the screen, the bottom, and all corners. I turned on "Show touches" in the developer options to make sure it registers where im touching. If you test it that way, you can see if its a defective screen or just accuracy issues.
Hello,
This morning i just found out my button is coming off the watch gasket.
Does anyone have any problem like this?
I looked at it, and on the inside, the watch has 2 pins, each held by a stopper. One of them fell, i do not know where, and now the button is holding only onto one of them. This after 3 days of using it...
They band has kind of been the main let down of the whole watch.
I checked other side of the button. It's really easy to drop off 2 pins. Sony must be very happy to see everyone buying a new wrist strap... business is business