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[Q] Screen flickering (CRT like)

Hi,
EDIT
Resolved it (kinda), I shut the "Economy mode" and the screen stop the flickering....
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I'm creating a new thread for this problem got an answer there telling me it's my phone, but I would like to know if somebody else notice this.
It's like on good old CRT. Got a Note I (got stolen) bought a Note 2 and I can see a flickering, like if the display had a 60Hz refresh rate, never notice such a thing with the Note I.
It's more noticeable on white screens. And when you are using peripheral vision, by pointing your eyes like 10 centimeters from the side of the device, the flickering must be more visible
The effect looks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jHOwE8MqA not mine but can give an idea of the problem.
Thanks

Livebyte said:
YES I HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM.
I was worried sick that my phone might be going dead soon.
And I'm talking about Note 1 here.
I don't want to waste money on a Note 2. I don't want burn my wallet again! ):
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Never notice it with my Note I, it seems that it's partly due to AMOLED technology, but as I did not notice it on my Note I...
Maybe it varies form device to device...
The effect looks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3jHOwE8MqA

Livebyte said:
YES I HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM.
I was worried sick that my phone might be going dead soon.
And I'm talking about Note 1 here.
I don't want to waste money on a Note 2. I don't want burn my wallet again! ):
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It's Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Livebyte said:
Yes I have it, but mine is definitely more severe than yours.
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Then why didn't you return it under warranty?

Go to Display > Features > Smart Rotation . Disable Smart rotation and voila the problem is resolved....

BoneXDA said:
It's Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
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Don't feed the troll

Ok, so if you do not own this device the Note 2, and do not want the device, why chime in and post/comments...

My scraan is flickering too. Feels like old CRT TV. When brightness not at 100% level I can observe this problem. Looks like samsung using PWM to control brightness. I think this is terrible. And I hope this can be fixed by software (adjust brightness by gamma correction etc)

mine also sometimes flickering on the lock screen in the near clock area for about 0,5-1 sec. but no need to worry, i guess its a hidden samsung note 2 feature...

So there are no solutions to fix screen flickering? Maybe we can overclock screen somehow? Maybe alternative brightness control?

The screen flicker mus be due to a bad batch of screens. Mine had the screen flickering too. and even with economy mode shut down and brightness is set to less then 100%. if you rapidly move the phone you can see that you see several screens instead of a blurry moving screen. this way you know it flickers. so for example if you move your phone up and down very rapidly instead of seeing a blurry view of the screen you will see several edges of the screen simultaniously. this tells you its flickering. While just looking at the screen you wont actually see the flickering but its somehow disturbing.
The way i know that your screen is defect is because due to a rescent replacement of my screen on my note 2 the flickering is totally gone now.
But keep in mind that my battery usages with screen on has increased. so i think samsung changed the power management for these new screens so that they wont flicker anymore. but they consume more power now. first i used the screen 6,5 hours and had a standby of 24 hours. now i have 6 hours screen on time with 24 hours standby. so its a bit of a change though. I just tested it 1 time. so it could also be i used the phone in another way when getting only 6 hours.
But just to let you guys know the flickering can be fixed.

I want my watch to look like a watch. Any apps for always on mode?

So like the title says I want my watch to always be on. So not ambient mode I hate the on and off crap. I want a dimmed but always on watch face if possible. Not worried about battery. Any suggestions?

There's a launcher (?) I think called Swipify I've seen mentioned multiple times for this. There's also at least one face available for purchase on the Play Store that allows you to choose how long it stays on, including always on. I bought it for that gimmick but never really used it. I think it's the "A06 for Moto 360" face.
In any case, understand that "always on" won't make your watch any more a watch than it will a brick, as you're looking at probably less than one hour of battery life with the screen always on.

1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.

Well, you're asking if there are apps to do that. I answered that much.
But as far as what you're hoping you'll get, you seriously need to readjust your expectations. It sounds like you didn't do your homework prior to buying this watch. Undoubtedly this is the nicest looking smart watch now. But the battery life is not great. I get about a full day's worth with the screen turning off constantly.
I can guarantee you, you will not get a full day's battery of this watch with the screen always on. I don't know much about the LG G Watch, but I also highly doubt the whole day of battery you're talking about is with the screen on always.
I get what you're saying. It would be ideal. But battery technology is not at a point where it can power a full LCD screen for a whole day on a single battery charge. Try either of the ones I suggested and see how far it gets you. I might do it just for testing purposes at some point.

Take it down a notch bud. I did a lot of research before I bought this device. Perhaps you should do some with the way screens operate. You can in other similar watches like the G watch have everything turn off and throttle down but keep the time on the screen. The g watch turns everything to black and keeps the time and date still on screen. No reason this watch cannot do the same. I was merely asking if an app was released yet that does this. As most apps like the one you listed does this but keeps the CPU throttled up and the screen drawing more power. Hence why the battery gets killed. Do some research before talking next time. there are a million videos on youtube showing you exactly what im talking about.
Love the watch not complaining, I just want to squeez all the goodness out of it I can.

iMurderous said:
1 hour is exaggerating. Either way the whole point of these things should be to be a watch first and foremost, and a notification hub second. LG G watch has a always on option built in and it lasts all day just fine, so I do not think what im asking is too absurd.
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The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.

kloan said:
The difference is because of the display technology. As you know (or may not?), LCDs illuminate the entire display, whereas OLEDs (LG, Asus, Samsung) only illuminate the individual pixels, thus reducing power consumption by utilizing a simpler display graphic to use as the 'always on' portion.
To have your Moto 360 always on would be a huge drain on the battery life because of the power consumption to illuminate the display. LCDs are simply not capable of selectively illuminating pixels.
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To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.

SilentAce07 said:
To be fair, the G watch is also LCD. The gear live is amoled.
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Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.

kloan said:
Well I was referring to the R, which I assumed is what he was referring to as well... but if he's saying the LG G watch is capable of that, then I dunno what to say.
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The reason the g watch is able to is because it's built with a larger battery. I had the g watch briefly and it was nice in terms of battery but just didn't hold a candle to the 360 IMO. It is a quality device though.

I'd like an always on option as well for my moto 360.

The always on mode ...is not actually a always on totally. ..it just dims to show only the dials and not the back ground. ..the lg g watch R and the gear live with oled screens will burn in if they are totally always on. .
But yes. .using apps like facer..you can select which layer you can keep dimmed on always on mode on the lg g watch. ..but that will eat battery up.
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WatchMaker lets you set up to 30s stay awake.

Lol. Dude, you really need to do your research. You'd get MAYBE three hours max with the screen on like that. Your attitude against people who are trying to inform you and help you (you know because that's the point of your post where YOU asked for OUR help) is atrocious. If you knew it all you wouldn't need to ask this question. The first guy who responded to you gave you real experience and opinion, and you told him he was exaggerating and to "take it down a notch". Lol.
Ridiculous. Hope you find what you're looking for. Let us know the moment you can get a full day of screen on time with the 360. I won't hold my breath.
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Not sure if this helps but like you I like a watch to be a watch and very close second I really like all the features for notifications that the smart watches make. I have had my Moto 360 for a little over a week now and I use it for keeping time and getting the basic notifications like SMS, Emails and Google Now info like weather. I do not have any other apps installed and with the Ambient Mode ON and brightness set to 2 I have been able to get 36 hours (at most) out of it with light to moderate use . The watch face I use is the preinstalled digital one. It dims just right but it will go to a black screen when there is very little movement detected. I can very slightly move my wrist and it will activate the dimmed time mode so I can see it without having to drastically twist my wrist and bring the watch up to my face.
Hope that helps.
If you find what you are looking please be sure to share as I am interested in this also.

Just to satisfy curiosity, I went ahead and tried this "always on" thing. I used the "A06 for Moto 360" face I mentioned in my initial reply, which is paid for on the Play Store so I won't link. It's not that great looking either, but it does have the option to have the watch Always On.
So, fully charged, I disconnected from the charger at 12:16 PM and changed the face to the one in question. I enabled Always On and set Brightness to max. With no usage of the watch other than to swipe away notifications and to use as a watch (i.e. looking at it for the time), the battery ran out exactly at 4:54 PM, or 4 hours and 38 minutes later. Admittedly, this was longer than my estimated one hour battery life, but again I wasn't doing anything with the watch. I didn't reply to messages, I didn't play games, I didn't check my heartbeat, I didn't control music. Only swipe away notifications and look at the time. Not quite 5 hours.
I guess it may be worth it if you're using a fancy face and going out for a date or something and you're fully charged before going. But it's useless as a daily driver with that kind of battery life.

Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.

YanivC said:
Your very wrong. First and foremost it should be a watch. I bought a pebble for that same reason. Now before you go saying it's different due to it's e-ink display, I also own a Microsoft band and it's a color screen. I have my band with the watch always on and I user the sleep monitor every night. It easily lasts through almost 2 days and that's with constant notifications and checking pulse often.
It can most definitely be done.
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So a galaxy gear S with tizen OS and amoled screen. With a large display and 3g, WiFi,GPS and phone calling with only 300mah will work for 2 days....
The moto 360 will not... Just accept it and move along
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So what's the point of wanting the screen always on? Are your eyes on the screen with your hands at your sides? Are you trying to show off? I don't think the whole "it should be a watch first & foremost" thing is a good enough excuse. As far as I can see, I can tell the time just fine without the screen being on 24/7. As a matter of fact, I guarantee I can tell the time every single time you can if we check our watches at the same time. No added functionality. Decrease in battery life. I see no win here. But to each there own. Charge your watch every 3 hours. I'm happy charging mine every night.

It's definitely wanting others to see his watch when he's not looking at it. Otherwise they see a black screen. I wanted that too but then realized I couldn't and moved on.
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I only get 10-14 hours out of mine but I have a bunch of apps installed. Not sure where the battery drain is because its not like most of them stay running. Maybe google fit is the big drain, but its a nice feature and I don't need much more than 12 hours. Hopefully in the future this will get an easier root (without the interface clock) and an underclock for more battery life. That's very possible. I don't need my watch running at 1 GHz and I'm willing to bet the kernel is a huge part of the battery problem (as well as the smaller battery). But hacks could fix the watch I think.

Questions for Curent Moto Owners

Hey guys, just have a few questions for mto owners that I haven't seen answered anywhere. I am interested in picking one of these devices up but I have a couple reservations.
My main question is how does the display look in dark areas, like at a bar or while driving at night. I really don't want a bright cell phone screen strapped to my wrist, like how the samsung watches look. Is this one properly dim (especially without having to mess with settings) for night time settings so it just appears like a normal watch, or does it look too bright.
The other thing I was wondering was what are the major drawbacks, I have heard it can be annoying to drive with cause the screen goes blank and comes back one when making turns cause it thinks your flipping your wrist.
Is there a setting to keep the watchface on 24/7 as well, not crazy about having a blank screen strapped to my wrist?
Any help would be appreciated.

thecrunked said:
Hey guys, just have a few questions for mto owners that I haven't seen answered anywhere. I am interested in picking one of these devices up but I have a couple reservations.
My main question is how does the display look in dark areas, like at a bar or while driving at night. I really don't want a bright cell phone screen strapped to my wrist, like how the samsung watches look. Is this one properly dim (especially without having to mess with settings) for night time settings so it just appears like a normal watch, or does it look too bright.
The other thing I was wondering was what are the major drawbacks, I have heard it can be annoying to drive with cause the screen goes blank and comes back one when making turns cause it thinks your flipping your wrist.
Is there a setting to keep the watchface on 24/7 as well, not crazy about having a blank screen strapped to my wrist?
Any help would be appreciated.
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I am also looking into getting one, The one question I can help you with from my research is that you can have the screen always on but it will drain your battery faster and generally iv'e been hearing that it barely lasts a full day

thecrunked said:
Hey guys, just have a few questions for mto owners that I haven't seen answered anywhere. I am interested in picking one of these devices up but I have a couple reservations.
My main question is how does the display look in dark areas, like at a bar or while driving at night. I really don't want a bright cell phone screen strapped to my wrist, like how the samsung watches look. Is this one properly dim (especially without having to mess with settings) for night time settings so it just appears like a normal watch, or does it look too bright.
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Works well - screen lights up, but dimmed (if you have auto-brightness on). Low enough to still see, but not bright enough to brighten a room
thecrunked said:
The other thing I was wondering was what are the major drawbacks, I have heard it can be annoying to drive with cause the screen goes blank and comes back one when making turns cause it thinks your flipping your wrist..
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Battery - Most days I'll get 15-18 hours, but then for no reason, I'll get terrible battery life the next day.
Screen does tend to come on when driving - never really notice it during the day, but at night you can definitely tell. I just changed my driving style (lower left hand and use right to turn wheel instead) and it rarely comes on. Not much of an issue when it does though.
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Is there a setting to keep the watchface on 24/7 as well, not crazy about having a blank screen strapped to my wrist?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Yes, you can keep ambiance on, but it does drain the battery fast. I had it on but then realized I'm not looking at the watch 24/7. When I do flick my wrist, 99% of the time it lights up really quickly.

thecrunked said:
Hey guys, just have a few questions for mto owners that I haven't seen answered anywhere. I am interested in picking one of these devices up but I have a couple reservations.
My main question is how does the display look in dark areas, like at a bar or while driving at night. I really don't want a bright cell phone screen strapped to my wrist, like how the samsung watches look. Is this one properly dim (especially without having to mess with settings) for night time settings so it just appears like a normal watch, or does it look too bright.
The other thing I was wondering was what are the major drawbacks, I have heard it can be annoying to drive with cause the screen goes blank and comes back one when making turns cause it thinks your flipping your wrist.
Is there a setting to keep the watchface on 24/7 as well, not crazy about having a blank screen strapped to my wrist?
Any help would be appreciated.
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agreed with Hustlaz 100%.
also, just want to add that before you get it, first determine why you want it. if you want it to keep track of your steps/heart rate as well as get notifications sent to your wrist, then this is ideal. if you are looking for a nice time-piece that lasts all day, then a conventional watch is a better route.
i've had mine for a little over 2 weeks, and battery life has been great - even with ambient on (although, the screen still goes blank with this setting, just not as quickly, so I have turned this feature off). most reviews you might have read about battery life we're probably before the 11/9 software update. i got mine just after this update, so I can't make a fair comparison here.
otherwise, the watch works as advertised - just beware that when using the google fit app on your phone, your phone's battery will take a major hit (but you can disable the activity detection). otherwise, no noticeable hit on my phone's (moto x) battery life.
essentially, the way it works is that the watch acts like a mirror for your phone - you can also mute certain apps notifications from appearing on your watch.
my only concerns is that the steps data does not sync from my watch to my phone properly (hoping that the google fit app will be updated to accept this with activity detection disabled or at least fix the battery drain), and that when viewing those google now cards (such as weather, sports scores, traffic, etc) on my phone and I swipe them away, they also disappear from my phone - would like to keep them on my phone. I'm sure there is a setting to adjust this, just have not had the time to see for myself.
the good news is that you can buy one at Best Buy, try it out for a week, and if you don't like, you can return it. problem is that you may actually like it too much whereby you won't want to return it and you find yourself keeping your watch on all the time.

ambient burn in

Hey guys
silly question, but if you leave the ambient clock on, will this cause burn in? I use my phone as an alarm when I go to bed
I did take teh Nov update, but no way to confirm if the burn issue is fixed.
TIA

have you seen any reports of burn in from the ambient display? NO. So there's your answer. If this was happening it would be blown out of proportion just like everything else with the display.

You mean the always on dim display thing? They said it moves around to avoid that.

Well the pixels displaying your time and notifications are on while the rest of the screen is off. There's the possibility for uneven wear, but I doubt it would ever show or you would never notice it.

docluv01 said:
Hey guys
silly question, but if you leave the ambient clock on, will this cause burn in? I use my phone as an alarm when I go to bed
I did take teh Nov update, but no way to confirm if the burn issue is fixed.
TIA
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It still does wear pixels unevenly but the amount of time it would need with it being moved every minute in a zigzag pattern makes it pass the burn-in concern. I'd say if you use your phone normally you'd see something show up in 1-2 years. However, if you leave your phone under a bright light for long periods of time you might want to disable always on display feature.
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If you are worried about it put the phone face down. The prox sensor turns it off.

always on display

Hi
Anyone keep always on display off due to potential burn in?

I prefer always off, but the terrible implementation of double tap to wake forces me to keep it on.

Nekromantik said:
Hi Anyone keep always on display off due to potential burn in?
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No... I love it and the now playing music as well. The only issue I have is the AOD is too dim in a pitch black dark room. All other light levels it works fine. :good:

Does it move around like the Samsung phones or will it just burn in?
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I don't use it but the AOD moves around, it doesn't stay stationary so it shouldn't cause burn in.

It does not move around on this phone.
Stays same place.
Never seen it move.

Nekromantik said:
It does not move around on this phone.
Stays same place.
Never seen it move.
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It moves a few pixels every minute. Watch it when the time changes. It's not much but it does move

Agree, it moves fractionally...

Always on is annoying to me I keep mine set to Lift to Check phone

galaxys said:
Agree, it moves fractionally...
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Yeah, it doesn't move nearly enough to alleviate my concern of burn-in. Especially with this screen. On the S8 it would move all over the place, even down to the bottom of the screen. Now, that's how you prevent burn-in. Just moving it back and forth between a few small pixel variations is not going to properly prevent burn-in.
For this reason, I have always on display turned off. Not worth the risk to me.

henderjr said:
It moves a few pixels every minute. Watch it when the time changes. It's not much but it does move
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I don't see how that helps. Burn in is caused by uneven pixel aging. If it's only moving a few pixels back and forth then it's really still the same part of the screen that is having the pixels age more than the rest of the screen.

Always on is always on here, no burn in so far. Works brilliantly.

v12xke said:
No... I love it and the now playing music as well. The only issue I have is the AOD is too dim in a pitch black dark room. All other light levels it works fine. :good:
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It's much improved in the dp2. Hopefully that sticks in the final release
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One question about the Always On Display (I don't want to open a new thread for this) - is there a way to have the "Lockscreen"/Always-On-Display rotate to landscape mode?
When I am having my Pixel 2 XL on the magnet mount in my car in landscape mode, it would be great that the AoD also rotates...haven't come up with an idea yet, unfortunately.

jimv1983 said:
I don't see how that helps. Burn in is caused by uneven pixel aging. If it's only moving a few pixels back and forth then it's really still the same part of the screen that is having the pixels age more than the rest of the screen.
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I didn't say it helps I was just saying it does move to the post I quoted. That said I've had my phone since 10/19 with AOD on ever since and have no burn in.

henderjr said:
I didn't say it helps I was just saying it does move to the post I quoted. That said I've had my phone since 10/19 with AOD on ever since and have no burn in.
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Ok, my misunderstanding.
I got my phone on 10/24 and so far I have left AOD off. I have "Double-tap to check phone" and "Lift to check phone" turned on.
I have kept AOD off for 2 reason:
1. The fear of burn in. You may not have seen it but it does seem to me to be the most likely thing on the phone to cause burn-in since those pixels would always be on. Between 10 and 12 (am and pm) you would have the 1 digit always on and whatever shift occurs isn't noticeable so it's likely just than the width of pixels of the 1 digit. So you would effectively have pixels literally active 24 hours a day. That kind of worries me so I leave it off just as a precaution.
2. Impact on battery life. Having AOD on results in having to render, refresh and illuminate pixels 24 hours a day. Even with the great battery life I could still see the battery life being noticeably decreased.

I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.

jimv1983 said:
Ok, my misunderstanding.
I got my phone on 10/24 and so far I have left AOD off. I have "Double-tap to check phone" and "Lift to check phone" turned on.
I have kept AOD off for 2 reason:
1. The fear of burn in. You may not have seen it but it does seem to me to be the most likely thing on the phone to cause burn-in since those pixels would always be on. Between 10 and 12 (am and pm) you would have the 1 digit always on and whatever shift occurs isn't noticeable so it's likely just than the width of pixels of the 1 digit. So you would effectively have pixels literally active 24 hours a day. That kind of worries me so I leave it off just as a precaution.
2. Impact on battery life. Having AOD on results in having to render, refresh and illuminate pixels 24 hours a day. Even with the great battery life I could still see the battery life being noticeably decreased.
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Fair enough. I tried turning it off last night and by this morning I turned it back on. Just getting ready for work this morning I missed not being able to glance over at the time as well as seeing it in my car on the dock. If there was a way to turn it on schedule or something that'd be nice. Maybe tasker could do it somehow..
Moostafa29 said:
I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.
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Yeah me too. Maybe once ROMs become prevalent there will be

Moostafa29 said:
I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.
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henderjr said:
Yeah me too. Maybe once ROMs become prevalent there will be
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If you use Accubattery, it displays the charge level on AOD with a circle around it. After the N6P I was paranoid about the battery so installed AB to confirm my battery was solid. (106% capacity). It may be a workaround until some dev comes along and provides that without having to install an app. Also THIS ARTICLE in XDA gives some hope. See the last paragraph on "other applications". :good:

I have a question on AOD. If you are listening to Google Play Music, does it show what song you are listening to? Or do you have to go to the actual lockscreen to see that? Thanks.