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No case, no screen protector..but

I am one of those who likes the phone as is.
Why cover/thicken it up? And gorilla glass sure as heck shouldn't need protection as it only reduces the sensitivity and usefulness - why buy a touch screen if you don't want to touch it in the first place.
BUT
2 days on the TGV's across France and Switzerland and boy was I cursing; the bloody phone slid everywhere ... so it made me think.
Got home and stuck 2 of those clear rubber/plastic kitchen cupboard door dome bumpers (Magnet for those in the UK) on the corners by the camera, and voila you have a non-slide phone and protects the lens at the same time.
Works for me, also helps the grip as your fingers go between the domes.
Each to their own. Hope its helps some.

major c said:
I am one of those who likes the phone as is.
Why cover/thicken it up? And gorilla glass sure as heck shouldn't need protection as it only reduces the sensitivity and usefulness - why buy a touch screen if you don't want to touch it in the first place.
BUT
2 days on the TGV's across France and Switzerland and boy was I cursing; the bloody phone slid everywhere ... so it made me think.
Got home and stuck 2 of those clear rubber/plastic kitchen cupboard door dome bumpers (Magnet for those in the UK) on the corners by the camera, and voila you have a non-slide phone and protects the lens at the same time.
Works for me, also helps the grip as your fingers go between the domes.
Each to their own. Hope its helps some.
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I also hate casing, but... I hate scratches and dents more.

I've found mine is getting scratched on the 'bump' below the samsung logo. Stupid bit of design that put the most scratchable plastic on the entire phone on the only surface that touches the table.
I like mine au naturel too but it looks like we've no choice but to use a skin or case if you don't like scratches.
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That "bump" actually stops the camera lens from getting scratched when place on a flat surface.. dunno why they didnt recess the lens though... or better still stick a lens cover on it!!
Im a case fan personally, yeah I love the look of the phone, but I want it to stay that way.. so Ill wrap it up! makes for good resale value near end of contract!

I stuck a strip of clear sellotape across the hump, prevents scratches until something better pops up

The sellotape works wonders!

I don't care scratches but the reason why I use case is the camera lens because it can be easily scratched and will take worst photo
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I have a case an cheap one i bought on eBay and it works fine but ive ordered another one and am going to buy a screen protector - SGP Ultra Oleophobic Film which appears to be the best available, when you've spent €450 on a phone the last thing you want is for it to be scratched

major c said:
Why cover/thicken it up? And gorilla glass sure as heck shouldn't need protection as it only reduces the sensitivity and usefulness - why buy a touch screen if you don't want to touch it in the first place.
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Holy cow. Who said Gorilla Glass won't scratch? Jeez. Of course a good screen protector is recommended and also a good case which will protect the device if it drops accidentally.
Regards.

I have got a visible scratch right between the camera lens and the flash....missed both of them...Phew!!!...
so now I have a case always fitted, SP and also a cut out SP for the lens...

Back camera lense

Hi..
Im not sure if anyone else is feeling what I'm feeling, but I'm literally scared to put this phone down on a hard surface... I feel that back camera lense will get scratched quite easily...
At the moment my phone is balancing on a pair of socks...

Somewhat agree - I mean, my Desire was the same, I think I'm just conscious of the fact that this is a gorgeous device and I don't want to mark it in any way.
I have an Oakley sunglasses bag that I rest it on when face up, but mostly I just put it face down. I mean, you can attack the screen with keys and it won't scratch, so I figure face down is the safest. Plus the back of the phone looks so amazing!

Thats a good point.
Looking forward to when Casemate release their cases for this phone. Hopefully that will have some sort of protection for the lense

A day after I received mine, I'd already managed to put a small yet noticeable scratch across the camera's glass surface and its metal rim. That's despite the fact that I don't place it on hard surfaces nor pocket it without the use of the official pouch. Though I'm thinking it might be a factory defect, it can't be stressed enough how vulnerable that particular area of the device is.

Have a scratch on the metal rim also, very small but yeah on a brandnew device..
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stanny2k said:
Im not sure if anyone else is feeling what I'm feeling, but I'm literally scared to put this phone down on a hard surface... I feel that back camera lense will get scratched quite easily...
At the moment my phone is balancing on a pair of socks...
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I'm exactly the same. It's a bit frustrating to think they put all that effort into giving us the Gorilla glass 2 on the screen, extra strong plastic on the case and an easily damaged camera lens that protrudes from the back. Go figure.
It wouldn't have been quite as bad if they'd recessed the glass lens so that it's less likely to come into contact with any surfaces.
I hope those socks are clean!

Also have a scratch on mine, just by the rim. Didnt think anything of it before getting the phone but it is badly thought out imo. I would have rather the phone be a little thicker and the lense/glass better protected than it is. Ah well...
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leaston said:
It wouldn't have been quite as bad if they'd recessed the glass lens so that it's less likely to come into contact with any surfaces.
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it is slightly recessed - by looking at pictures I don't know if it is recessed enough to properly prevent scratches, though.

Look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1577895&page=3
Discussion about how to protect your camera lens.
I applied a cut-out of the original HTC screen protector on the lens and can't see any reduction of image quality ... Hopefully it protects the lens ...

SamWhite said:
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it is slightly recessed - by looking at pictures I don't know if it is recessed enough to properly prevent scratches, though.
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It is recessed? Crikey, I can't see or even feel it. The surfaces most likely to scratch it are probably rough enough to reach the glass despite the microscopic recess

I bought a White Frosted Gel case. If I put the phone on a flat surface the lens is protected by the case. That is if you want a case

using an adhesive 16mm rooundpad
On the cam of the 1S the lens is slightly recessed. Unfortunately not on the 1X.
I put an anti sliding, anti vibrating pad for soundspeakers on top of of it. Sticks during daily use like a charm and is removed and put back for filming in seconds.
Yeah, really simple but effective
Edit: No way I am hiding this beast in a pouch. It shall shine and chime. The pouches are for my daughters

Hmm it is actually fractionally recessed, like a fraction of a mm. But not enough that if there was a bit of grit on the table, it wouldn't catch it. Also the plastic lens surround (silver finish), is not the same quality as the polycarbonate. So yes, it screams "scratch me" which is a bit silly considering the rest of the phone. You would actually be better to put it face down than face up on a table, but then you can't see the screen! Doh!
For those with the white phone, you could consider HTC HC C700 clip on back cover. It is basically translucent so you can still see the back through it, but it stupidly doesn't have the cut-out holes for the forthcoming docks. For that you will need HTC HC C740 clip on covers which don't have a see-through version! *sigh*

Have a look at the pouches thread in the accessories,I got a nice HTC side flip case phone still feels great in hand but the.plastic back is just enough so you can put it down and the lense does not touch the surface
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When do you buy a new glass protector?

I scratched my icarez glass protector this afternoon, I knew it was a bad ides to just throw my phone in my bag but that's why I got a protector. Now I have about a 1 inch scratch down the middle and it annoys me almost as much as if my actual screen was scratched.
Am I crazy for wanting to buy a new one now? 10$ isn't crazy but I should probably try and pace myself.

randyspants said:
I scratched my icarez glass protector this afternoon, I knew it was a bad ides to just throw my phone in my bag but that's why I got a protector. Now I have about a 1 inch scratch down the middle and it annoys me almost as much as if my actual screen was scratched.
Am I crazy for wanting to buy a new one now? 10$ isn't crazy but I should probably try and pace myself.
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I wonder what was in the bag. As all protector companies use terms like 9H hardness usually everything except sand will make such a scratch. So either they are all lying (which of course they are) or something special was in the bag (which I doubt).
Marketing BS sucks

Haha ya nothing special, some plastic headphones and some paperwork. Maybe it was a staple from that or just the zipper on the way in/out. Either way not mad one bit just amused at myself for wanting to replace the protector for doing its job and taking a scratch

I would replace it. Depending on how deep the scratch is it still turn into a crack which isn't fun.

Same i got the Nillkin 9H one, i got a small scratch on it...
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My Spigen randomly cracked on my D850, I don't think there was a scratch. Also don't forget its still glass and it will eventually break depending on how deep of a scratch it is.

The only thing I could get to scratch the protector was a serrated kitchen knife. A screwdriver, scissors, keys, etc. couldn't do it.

My Nillkin one scratched in under a week.
I was on a morning flight one day and had the phone resting on my belly/lap whilst taking a nap, when I woke up I found it scratched an inch down the centre, I think it may be from the seat belt buckle.
I ordered a bepak one as that had moulded holes around speaker grille and sensor rather than a big cutout, during the time the bepak arrived a crack formed across the top separate from the original scratch.
Never again Nillkin.

MrDerrickC said:
My Nillkin one scratched in under a week.
I was on a morning flight one day and had the phone resting on my belly/lap whilst taking a nap, when I woke up I found it scratched an inch down the centre, I think it may be from the seat belt buckle.
I ordered a bepak one as that had moulded holes around speaker grille and sensor rather than a big cutout, during the time the bepak arrived a crack formed across the top separate from the original scratch.
Never again Nillkin.
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I've ordered a Bepak one today as well... read good reviews about it till now. Lets see how it holds out. I have a tendency to keep my phone in my bag while gymming & stuff so hopefully it holds a little longer that the normal ones do.
On the main topic though, just be glad you had a screen protector on atleast! That scratch directly on the screen and it would've costed far more than 10$! Then again, you're not crazy about wanting to replace it right away.. the G3 is a piece of beauty and a scratch makes it really annoying everytime you see it.

if4ct0r said:
I've ordered a Bepak one today as well... read good reviews about it till now. Lets see how it holds out. I have a tendency to keep my phone in my bag while gymming & stuff so hopefully it holds a little longer that the normal ones do.
On the main topic though, just be glad you had a screen protector on atleast! That scratch directly on the screen and it would've costed far more than 10$! Then again, you're not crazy about wanting to replace it right away.. the G3 is a piece of beauty and a scratch makes it really annoying everytime you see it.
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In my opinion, the nillkin is probably softer then the screen itself. It scratched up too easily.
The bepak feels "harder"
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MrDerrickC said:
In my opinion, the nillkin is probably softer then the screen itself. It scratched up too easily.
The bepak feels "harder"
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Strange isn't it. Both mention 9H hardness. Yet one feels softer and scratches easily. I guess you cant't really trust what these guys mention on their product description.

I wouldn't worry about it as long as actual screen us not damaged. I would wait until the protector screen actually damaged or cracked.

I had my nexus 4 for over a year without a screen protector and still don't see a scratch on it.
This lg has the same glass I believe. Gorilla glass 3 I think. I don't think a screen protector is needed though maybe it would help with keeping the glass from shattering. I'm not sure though. I would get one if that is the case.
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I might take some hate for saying this, but I've always been an advocate of the plastic screen protectors. I've tried the glass, and encountered the same problems that you states, OP. I find that the plastic ones work better for me.
There was a ton of marketing and advertising for the glass stuff, but I think that it was a little over the top. The plastic is better in my opinion.

dianestory2 said:
The plastic is better in my opinion.
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How is that?
It's considerably more difficult to put on without getting bubbles.
It's considerably less panel-breaking protective.
It's considerably less scratch resistant.
It's considerably less smooth.
These, by the way, are not personal judgments but facts

Plastic screen protectors attract a crap load more finger prints and are harder to clean off compared to glass.

Cailifu brand on Amazon claims to carry a 1 year warranty. Came with the exact same inserts and application tools as the icarez
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Does the screen protector just protect from scratches or would it also help with a drop?
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I am using a glass protector for now 1.5 month and not a single scratch yet! It's however significantly thicker than plastic one! Sometimes I feel the touch less responsive.. It also catches fingerprint and dirt like a magnet lol (probably no oleophobic coating) I found the G3 screen itself very very good! your finger just slips fluently across the screen and barely catches any fingerprint! I installed one just for extra protector I'd say worth it if you don't mind cleaning your screen more frequently

Pfeffernuss said:
How is that?
It's considerably more difficult to put on without getting bubbles.
It's considerably less panel-breaking protective.
It's considerably less scratch resistant.
It's considerably less smooth.
These, by the way, are not personal judgments but facts
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1) not if done the right way
2) agreed
3) I've never ever ever had a scratch on my phone, plastic or glass
4) only a little.
For my personal lifestyle, I don't really care that much about all of that. I'm glad you are so supportive, though

Stock screen protector info

I'll be adding to this with some updates and if i ever find a source i'll post a link to order more.
Stock screen protector is glass...Well an extremely thin layer of glass making almost plastic like. press hard and you don't scratch it. You just plow through the glass to the plastic later under it.
i work with photonics so i got all kinds of fun stuff. So im going to measure how thick the glass layer is on it.
Definitely feels like this is a what they will be moving to for fordable displays. But the issues is its so thin the glass chips up on a scratch instead of just being a light surface scratch.
But i'll be updating this with some measurements and pictures under high magnification and some of the display in another topic with pixel size and all that like i typically do.
More info will be added with mesurements.
It's 4 layers. Glass. Middle plastic later and an adhesive later. I'll post actual measurements soon as I confirm it. I did not have time to check the calibration on it today.

bignazpwns said:
I'll be adding to this with some updates and if i ever find a source i'll post a link to order more.
Stock screen protector is glass...Well an extremely thin layer of glass making almost plastic like. press hard and you don't scratch it. You just plow through the glass to the plastic later under it.
i work with photonics so i got all kinds of fun stuff. So im going to measure how thick the glass layer is on it.
Definitely feels like this is a what they will be moving to for fordable displays. But the issues is its so thin the glass chips up on a scratch instead of just being a light surface scratch.
But i'll be updating this with some measurements and pictures under high magnification and some of the display in another topic with pixel size and all that like i typically do.
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I have Verizon 10+ 5G... The factory screen protector had actually ripped on one corner of mine (before I finally removed it) - so mine at least was definitely not glass -
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I have Verizon 10+ 5G... The factory screen protector had actually ripped on one corner of mine (before I finally removed it) - so mine at least was definitely not glass -
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It is. It's plastic with and extremely thin layer of glass. That's how I found out it was glass. I ripped it looked at the edge and it was saw toothed. Checked under a microscope and tiny shards of glass. I'll post pics later today.

Would you say the stock one is decent quality as I was thinking of taking mine off as i find it to have a hazy snowy effect on white backgrounds and when viewing hdr videos ect
I had a note 10 before and i took it off and there was quite a difference in removing the stock protector (was quite a bit clearer)
Thanks

brockyneo said:
Would you say the stock one is decent quality as I was thinking of taking mine off as i find it to have a hazy snowy effect on white backgrounds and when viewing hdr videos ect
I had a note 10 before and i took it off and there was quite a difference in removing the stock protector (was quite a bit clearer)
Thanks
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That's from the layers used. 4 layers. You get some optical effect ls with light bending when you start passing through multiple layers.
Glass
Adhesive
Plastic
Adhesive

You are great!
Small questions
It's anti shock to drops?

Ahmad Ryashi said:
You are great!
Small questions
It's anti shock to drops?
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None. It's extremely thin with no property's to protect from shock.

I have a Note 10 and I can confirm the stock protector is glass and the outer layer is easily scratched.
I had my phone in my coat pocket and hung it up at the doctor's office. When I went to put it on my phone flew out of the pocket, hit the hard cement floor and cracked the screen.
I filed a claim with Asurion and they came to my house to replace it. The tech took my phone and disappeared off to his little van.
He came back in less than 5 minutes!
Good news, your screen wasn't cracked!
It was the screen protector.
You couldn't feel it because it is not the top layer.
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gadget! said:
I filed a claim with Asurion and they came to my house to replace it. The tech took my phone and disappeared off to his little van.
He came back in less than 5 minutes!
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Wow, had no idea Asurion made house calls! Granted it's been years since I filed a claim, and I'm sure it's only available in a few area, but I never imagined that. Actually I'm shocked! I can't imagine that's a competitive market, and there's no way that can be profitable. I've gotta look it up now cause that's intrigued me

gadget! said:
I have a Note 10 and I can confirm the stock protector is glass and the outer layer is easily scratched.
I had my phone in my coat pocket and hung it up at the doctor's office. When I went to put it on my phone flew out of the pocket, hit the hard cement floor and cracked the screen.
I filed a claim with Asurion and they came to my house to replace it. The tech took my phone and disappeared off to his little van.
He came back in less than 5 minutes!
Good news, your screen wasn't cracked!
It was the screen protector.
You couldn't feel it because it is not the top layer.
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Yeah it works great for resisting scratches for cleaning I love it. However I press on it with a key it rips that layer up and it looks much worse then a scratch due to how the light is reflected.
People really need to know that there is glass and it's extremely thin. This is a safety issue. Get a scratch. Touch the screen it won't cut you but stick on your skin and if you run your eyes you can get some serious eye damage. Samsung really needs to put that info out there.

Confirmed this was a test for the screen on the Z flip. It uses an improved version of this for the top layer bof the display. I don't know what they improved but it can be much. If I get the runs to actually pick on up and do some test on it I'll post it but I probably won't waste my money since it will destroy the display. Probably pick one up used that the display is damaged after a while.
They could of gone with a slightly thicker layer of glass and the adhesive used would be an optical uv adhesive so being in the optoelectronics field I have an idea of what adhesive they would use. It should help by providing a put more support for the glass top layer but the improvement will actually be pretty small.
But if I can I'll be doing that but I gotta start cutting back on buying phones nto run game benchmarks on and test the displays and what not. I'm upto about $6,000 in phones just last year.
Soon I'll be checking out the displays on the note 10 under mag and mesure pixel size and all that. But work is pretty busy since everyone is rolling out 5g now and they all need what we make and it's only going to ramp up throughout the year.

bignazpwns said:
It is. It's plastic with and extremely thin layer of glass. That's how I found out it was glass. I ripped it looked at the edge and it was saw toothed. Checked under a microscope and tiny shards of glass. I'll post pics later today.
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I really liked it - while it lasted. Any idea where to get another - and how in the heck to install it?
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I really liked it - while it lasted. Any idea where to get another - and how in the heck to install it?
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Haven't found a place yet., I'm currently using a LK tempered glass. Cant even tell no camera cut out and its been great.
Still trying to find a place or a service center that will sell them.

Update with more pictures.
People on YouTube who think there opinions are facts are trying bro give out bad info. Here is a scratch. It was scratched with tweazers. Scratch is under the lense in the picture and then shown under mag

I damaged mine. how to I remove it? can't get ahold of it anywhere on it to remove. thanks.

KruseLudsMobile said:
I really liked it - while it lasted. Any idea where to get another - and how in the heck to install it?
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Mine was replaced in Samsung Experience store for around 15 euro.

Xiaomi smartview case

Just received my case from AliExpress.
Very thin and first impressions are favourable although I'm tempted to put a thin clear film over the joint between the case and mini screen in the corner in case the edge flexes and scratches the screen.
Construction is a very thin hardshell rear with a plastic flip and a smoked translucent corner on the front.
Clearance for the cameras on the rear is minimal.
There's a small square magnet visible on the flip below the widow for the hall sensor to let out acts as a smart cover.
Using miui12 always on screen and smart case options gives a small clock and battery indicator in the window.
Can see the height difference between the Xiaomi smart cover and the leather case I had before.
The orange is muted and the Matt dark grey of the phone holder contrasts nicely.
Hopefully the mi10 won't get as warm with this case as it did with the leather one!

Does it affect (reduce) the screen on lateral ?

bernardblt said:
Does it affect (reduce) the screen on lateral ?
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What do you mean by lateral?
That might not have translated well
The screen turns off when you close the case and turns on when you open it.

I highly suggest not using this case! it leaves a mark on your display exactly where the glass plastic part begins. because it is not perfectly flush with the leather part.
I used mine for about a week and have a permanent scratch on the display the entire length of the plastic window.

B!GBOY said:
I highly suggest not using this case! it leaves a mark on your display exactly where the glass plastic part begins. because it is not perfectly flush with the leather part.
I used mine for about a week and have a permanent scratch on the display the entire length of the plastic window.
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That's not good!
Mine the plastic is recessed away from the screen slightly so it shouldn't make contact.
I put a piece of clear gorilla tape over the joint anyway
I take it you don't have a screen protector fitted?
Mine came with one

fards said:
That's not good!
Mine the plastic is recessed away from the screen slightly so it shouldn't make contact.
I put a piece of clear gorilla tape over the joint anyway
I take it you don't have a screen protector fitted?
Mine came with one
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nope mine did not come with a protector! which is odd cause everyone got theirs with a protector already applied. At the time I assumed this product would protect the display until my glass gets here but... it did the opposite -_-
I don't use this case even now that i have the glass on my phone because it limits the ways I can use it.
It looks dumb when taking photos because the thing just flaps in the air also cannot use my gimbal or my bike mount. all in all not my best purchase

B!GBOY said:
nope mine did not come with a protector! which is odd cause everyone got theirs with a protector already applied. At the time I assumed this product would protect the display until my glass gets here but... it did the opposite -_-
I don't use this case even now that i have the glass on my phone because it limits the ways I can use it.
It looks dumb when taking photos because the thing just flaps in the air also cannot use my gimbal or my bike mount. all in all not my best purchase
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mine didnt come with screen protector on either an i have mi10 cn an mi10 eu

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mine didnt come with screen protector on either an i have mi10 cn an mi10 eu
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Seems odd that some do some don't.
Mine is 8gb/256gb EU version

B!GBOY said:
....have a permanent scratch on the display the entire length of the plastic window.
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I can't believe plastic is able to scratch the gorilla glass display.
"Glass scratches at a level 6 with deeper grooves at a level 7". -Jerryrig
I would guess you have an screen protector. I didn't see mine at first because ist sits perfect.
Looking at the notch is where i could see it on my phone.

Dabiolos said:
I can't believe plastic is able to scratch the gorilla glass display.
"Glass scratches at a level 6 with deeper grooves at a level 7". -Jerryrig
I would guess you have an screen protector. I didn't see mine at first because ist sits perfect.
Looking at the notch is where i could see it on my phone.
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I didn't believe it either but my phone did. lol
Be my guest and try for yourself. I don't know the technical term but the screen has some sort of coating as it's top most layer and the case made a permanent mark on the glass if you clean it perfectly it's not visible. But as soon as you touch the display that part will get dirty almost instantly. Another example, if i use an alcohol wipe the outline of the window on the display retains moisture and the rest does not. So call it what you want but this case damages your display.
my solution was to clean the display perfectly and put a "Hydrogel" (marketing BS for plastic foil) on top. I totally forgot about it until you quoted my post

Oh you mean the oleo phobic coating. Been there already because i was so "smart" and had washed my first smartphone display with dishwashing soap and was wondering why it was getting dirty even after cleaning.
Later I found a solution:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/How+to+Restore+or+Apply+an+Oleophobic+Coating/9682