LG camera raw question - for photo enthusiasts - G4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi one of the reasons I'm interested in getting a LG G4 is because it can take raw pictures. There are a few things I'm wondering:
1) Can raw pictures be captured with third party apps?
2) I'm interested in using an external DSLR flash with the LG G4's camera. I wonder if it's possible?

1. The app pro shot can capture raw and does a better job than stock. Search the photo thread for pro shot. But it won't give you a shutter time longer than 0.5s. No 3rd party app will allow 30s shutter.
2. you require a flash with an optical trigger. The external flash has to be setup as a slave. This means looks for a red window on a flash and the idea is the flash on the G4 triggers the bigger flash. Do test this out some optical triggers are more sensitive and will work others won't. Unfortunately led flash on the g4 isn't as powerful as a zenon.
let us know if you find some thing that works. Can get some cool water splashes

One Twelve said:
1. The app pro shot can capture raw and does a better job than stock. Search the photo thread for pro shot. But it won't give you a shutter time longer than 0.5s. No 3rd party app will allow 30s shutter.
2. you require a flash with an optical trigger. The external flash has to be setup as a slave. This means looks for a red window on a flash and the idea is the flash on the G4 triggers the bigger flash. Do test this out some optical triggers are more sensitive and will work others won't. Unfortunately led flash on the g4 isn't as powerful as a zenon.
let us know if you find some thing that works. Can get some cool water splashes
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Thanks!
I don't think phone LEDs will be powerful enough to trigger my nikon external flashes. I've seen some audio jack converter triggers but they're, unfortunately, exclusively for the iphone only.

Try with different flashes, some might work.
Distance of flash to G4 will matter. Close enough all will work. Question is what is your minimum distance.

Apps for iphones include:
isyncflash
triggertrap (lacks a lot of features on the android version)
not sure about android...

One Twelve said:
1. The app pro shot can capture raw and does a better job than stock. Search the photo thread for pro shot. But it won't give you a shutter time longer than 0.5s. No 3rd party app will allow 30s shutter.
2. you require a flash with an optical trigger. The external flash has to be setup as a slave. This means looks for a red window on a flash and the idea is the flash on the G4 triggers the bigger flash. Do test this out some optical triggers are more sensitive and will work others won't. Unfortunately led flash on the g4 isn't as powerful as a zenon.
let us know if you find some thing that works. Can get some cool water splashes
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One Twelve said:
Try with different flashes, some might work.
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unfortunately already got quite a few nikon flashes...

kaho_tam said:
unfortunately already got quite a few nikon flashes...
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which model#s ?
see previous post about distance.

One Twelve said:
which model#s ?
see previous post about distance.
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SB-600, SB-800, SB-900, yongnuo
Since I have a few flashes, I can get one of them to be as close to the LED as I can...

All speedlights.
How close do you have to be to trigger them ?

One Twelve said:
All speedlights.
How close do you have to be to trigger them ?
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phone can be a few cm from the closest one. if one speedlights fires then all speedlights will fire.
I hope sync won't be a big issue since i'm talking about ~1/30s shutter speed

i'm asking when you tested with the nikon flashes how close the G4 needed to be to actually get the nikon flash to fire.

One Twelve said:
i'm asking when you tested with the nikon flashes how close the G4 needed to be to actually get the nikon flash to fire.
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There's some confusion here. I haven't got the G4 yet, I'm just constructing a list of what accessories to buy...
So I'm the one asking the question! Though my experience with other phones plus some googling tell me that the LEDs probably won't trigger the speedlights at all...

kaho_tam said:
There's some confusion here. I haven't got the G4 yet, I'm just constructing a list of what accessories to buy...
So I'm the one asking the question! Though my experience with other phones plus some googling tell me that the LEDs probably won't trigger the speedlights at all...
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ok, have you tried with any other phone that has an led flash to get the speedlites to trigger. How close does the led have to be.
if that works then g4 should as well.

One Twelve said:
1. The app pro shot can capture raw and does a better job than stock. Search the photo thread for pro shot. But it won't give you a shutter time longer than 0.5s. No 3rd party app will allow 30s shutter.
2. you require a flash with an optical trigger. The external flash has to be setup as a slave. This means looks for a red window on a flash and the idea is the flash on the G4 triggers the bigger flash. Do test this out some optical triggers are more sensitive and will work others won't. Unfortunately led flash on the g4 isn't as powerful as a zenon.
let us know if you find some thing that works. Can get some cool water splashes
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Mmm, I wonder if optical trigger would work. Smartphone LED flashes are long duration, unlike real camera flashes, so I have to wonder if they would trigger in sync with exposure...
As mentionned in another post, you could check Triggertrap, but on their site they do state that Android doesn't work too well, and their flash trigger isn't compatible with some Nikon flashes either (do check).
Anyway, how would you use your Nikon flashes? Seems rather cumbersome, you might as well use them on your dslr with an eyefi card and transfer afterwards to the phone.
If you are interested in offcamera flash, the iBlazr2 bluetooth LED flash could an interesting accessory, much more portable than a SB flash:
http://iblazr.com/iblazr_2
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...most-versatile-led-flash-for-ios-andr?lang=es

One Twelve said:
ok, have you tried with any other phone that has an led flash to get the speedlites to trigger. How close does the led have to be.
if that works then g4 should as well.
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that doesn't work... that's why.

jonoro11 said:
Mmm, I wonder if optical trigger would work. Smartphone LED flashes are long duration, unlike real camera flashes, so I have to wonder if they would trigger in sync with exposure...
As mentionned in another post, you could check Triggertrap, but on their site they do state that Android doesn't work too well, and their flash trigger isn't compatible with some Nikon flashes either (do check).
Anyway, how would you use your Nikon flashes? Seems rather cumbersome, you might as well use them on your dslr with an eyefi card and transfer afterwards to the phone.
If you are interested in offcamera flash, the iBlazr2 bluetooth LED flash could an interesting accessory, much more portable than a SB flash:
http://iblazr.com/iblazr_2
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...most-versatile-led-flash-for-ios-andr?lang=es
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Since I have a foldable umbrella with silver lining that I always carry with me in case of rain, I'm thinking of using it as a light modifier for softer lighting, hence a powerful xenon flash would be necessary.
After all, carrying a single flash in my bag + a phone is way lighter than carrying a DSLR+lens+flash.
Now it looks like the idea is getting more difficult to achieve without making my own electronics and coding my own app... I only intend to use the flash for stills. So a shutter of 1/30s will be fine and should be too hard to get the flash to fire within this long time..

Ok silver umbrella, nice.
I still think that syncing the flash to the camera exposure must be very tricky...
Syncing a continuous (led) light on the other side seems easier, as intended in the iBlazr2. I can see though that it is rather underpowered for your purposes.
Another similar yet more powerful option could be the announced Lume Cube: http://www.lumecube.com/
Obviously these devices are not yet out and there are no reviews.

Incidentally, since you are interested in taking photos in raw format:
https://plus.google.com/+Snapseed/posts/Bj88nkTofn3
Snapseed 2.1 will develop dng files Coming in a few days

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that doesn't work... that's why.
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<sigh> then that idea is out the window. Damn it! The camera is excellent but if only there were more lighting options.
Optical triggers on these flashes are programmed for xenon not led. and nobody makes an led trigger.
what about sound ? would a certain shutter sound be good enough. the flash will most likely be delayed though.
Someone made a bluetooth trigger for iphone
www.tricflash.com
only iphone as they don't have the budget for other devices. It's interesting they mention that the way the iphone camera works was the hardest obstacle. So no chance of this coming to android as cameras can work differently among vendors. Still people are sceptical that bluetooth is fast enough.
When i think back to videos i've seen of studio like photos from phones most were using continuous light. Since your shutter isn't exactly fast, this might be your best bet. I thought you were trying to go for faster exposures.
I got to try a galaxy k zoom in a studio setup once and everything flashed. The cheapest toy camera with a xenon will do it too.
Still the G4 camera interests me.

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I got to try a galaxy k zoom in a studio setup once and everything flashed. The cheapest toy camera with a xenon will do it too.
Still the G4 camera interests me.
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Hi! Well. It's not like you are walking around with all that equipment in your pocket? What's the real point.?
LG G4 has a great camera for a smartphone. But it's sensor is really small and nothing compared to even 6+ year old DSLRs. Why not get a normal camera for your fixed setup?

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Rhodium slight let down

Hi all,
Whilst the rhodium is a definate viable upgrade from the Raphael (and comes a little closer to the combined goodness of the Kaiser and Universal) it still seems to lack some essentials.
Why have HTC stuck a rubbish 3MP camera in it yet the HD and Topaz get 5MP?
No flashlight, also quite an essential highly useful piece of hardware that I use on an almost daily basis and consider to be a standard function of a decent PDA.
Amplified internal antenna for Radio, not essential but surely HTC could make this happen by now. We've had several devices capable of receiving FM yet you still have to use a hardwired headset to get signal.
I imagine it would not be too difficult to replace the camera sensor with a 5MP and take the drivers and software from the Topaz to make it functional though, however this I feel is yet another major oversight from HTC.
Flashlight, not so easy to add on to the device post production, would require case modification and voltage.............. Anybody know if the MBD is similar enough to the Raphael to actualy have the circuitry for this so that we can utilise the software controls for a FlashLight or whether it would require a seperate switch to enable such functionality.
Whilst I would realy like to upgrade to the Rhodium I feel that the camera and flashlight are major components that could swing my decision.
The Universal "was" to me the perfect PDA, it's just to bulky now and lacks the hardware integration such as GPS and FM that current devices have to make it viable for everyday use.
Do we have any serious hardware guys in the Rhodium forum yet that could answer my questions regarding the camera and flashlight as post production user upgrades.
Cheers,
(a very inactive )Beasty
I can tell you this much... my flashlight broke on my MDA and I have an app that amplifies the screen brightness all the way and turns the screen white. It works almost as well. As far as the flash for the camera goes... I have the camera set to nightmode which adjusts just as bright as if using the flash. So no biggie for me, at all...
Why exactly is a 3.2 MP camera rubbish? I don't understand this reasoning at all. 5 MP is a bigger number, but it doesn't create better pictures - only bigger ones. Pictures so big that if you're serious about taking them you need a dedicated camera to do with it. The camera on the phone is an accessory. You're not buying a camera with a phone in it.
Lack of an LED camera flash is a somewhat more realistic complaint. Although the range of such things is very short, there are enough dim light situations encountered on a day-to-day basis that it would be useful.
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
Whilst the rhodium is a definate viable upgrade from the Raphael (and comes a little closer to the combined goodness of the Kaiser and Universal) it still seems to lack some essentials.
Why have HTC stuck a rubbish 3MP camera in it yet the HD and Topaz get 5MP?
No flashlight, also quite an essential highly useful piece of hardware that I use on an almost daily basis and consider to be a standard function of a decent PDA.
Amplified internal antenna for Radio, not essential but surely HTC could make this happen by now. We've had several devices capable of receiving FM yet you still have to use a hardwired headset to get signal.
I imagine it would not be too difficult to replace the camera sensor with a 5MP and take the drivers and software from the Topaz to make it functional though, however this I feel is yet another major oversight from HTC.
Flashlight, not so easy to add on to the device post production, would require case modification and voltage.............. Anybody know if the MBD is similar enough to the Raphael to actualy have the circuitry for this so that we can utilise the software controls for a FlashLight or whether it would require a seperate switch to enable such functionality.
Whilst I would realy like to upgrade to the Rhodium I feel that the camera and flashlight are major components that could swing my decision.
The Universal "was" to me the perfect PDA, it's just to bulky now and lacks the hardware integration such as GPS and FM that current devices have to make it viable for everyday use.
Do we have any serious hardware guys in the Rhodium forum yet that could answer my questions regarding the camera and flashlight as post production user upgrades.
Cheers,
(a very inactive )Beasty
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Hi Beasty
Nice to see you around!
I´m completly agree with you.
As an Universal user (As main phone) to this date I haven´t saw a REAL decent succesor, for a moment thinked of TP2 but adding to the points you mention the smaller keyboard and the fact that processor is almost the same as in Uni I think I´ll wait a while more to upgrade.
perhaps in 2010 some good models we can see from HTC¿
Or perhaps Toshiba new models.....
Cheers to you!
I'm umming and arring. I quite fancy the Touch Pro2. It has a wonderfully large screen (3.6", 480x800) and is otherwise like my current TyTN II with a bit more hoursepower. The biggest draw is, as ever, the XDA-Developer community and the availability of accessories. However, I do understand that it could have *more*.
I had The TyTn and I loved the flashlight. It was awful for taking pictures, but great for working down the back of electrical cupboards and desks. I miss it on the TyTn II.
I don't really care about the 3.2Mp camera being a "limit". If you want more than 3Mp, you really need a decent lens. Sure, it's nice being able to take pictures while out and about without carrying another device, but if I really wanted to take a picture I would probably be carrying a proper camera. And if I did have a 5Mp camera n my phone, I'd probably wish it was 10Mp.
I also don't see the point of the FM radio. Between podcasts and choosing the music I want to play by Mp3 file, I can't see why I'd want anything else (and 5 live is on AM anyway).
And this brings me to my problem - The Acer Temp M900. Bigger screen (3.8"), 5Mp camera and a flash, although also slightly bigger (3x3x-.15mm) and heavier (by 18 grams). By headline features it is superior.
It does,however, have less memory (256 vs 512 of ROM, 128 vs 288 RAM) and runs on a Samsung 6410 @ 533Mhz, although I don't know how that compares to the Qualcomm chip in the current batch of HTC phones. I also don't know whether there are known problems with the video capabilities of the phone like there are with the Qualcomm chips (as per htcclassaction.org). In my TyTn/Hermes I had a Samsung chip running at 400Mhz and I remember watching some CSI New York on it without much of a problem. This could therefore be a good thing (or a bad thing).
So I don't know, seems having a choice is almost as bad as not having one.
I dunno, this whole class action thing seems like much ado about nothing to me. I'm constantly ripping movies for my Vogue and they play flawlessly. The idea of videos stopping or skipping is unknown to me. It seems like this class action thing is inspired by people who don't quite know enough for their own good. I suspect it's less of a driver problem than a user expectation problem. I'm no whiz at this stuff, and if anyone would have issues with video, I would expect it to be me, since I don't know what I'm doing when ripping videos for the device.
Camera and flash is never an issue for me. I only use the camera once in a while and maybe use it for capturing my contact's photos. I try not to take photos in pitch dark or when there is not enough lighting, even when you have a flash, the photo is awful. Proper lighting is needed for good photos. Serious photos should be taken with a serious SR camera.
As for radio, I am don't mind using the headsets as an hardwire for the antenna, as long as it has a radio for me to listen to when I want to. The News is pretty important to me.
As comparing to the Universal, there is really no comparison, I think. Correct me if I am wrong, this is only a personal feeling. The camera is better, there are more memory, the CPU is at similar speed but the technology is different. Its like comparing a VIA C7-M ULV Processor 1.6GHz to an Intel Atom 1.33GHz. The Atom is actually faster as it is more refined. So really, speed is only a number. It really needed to be tested. But RAM and ROM does make a difference. So the more the better. I hate it when my device tells me I am running out of memory and it crashes.
In all, I think the TP2 is still a pretty good device to bet on. Of course I can think of lots of other things it could have. Like I would love it to have a Snapdragon CPU. I would love it to have HD video capturing. I would love it to have 16m colours. I would love it to have 16GB internal memory, etc...
All I like is an over-all, balanced little hand-held device and which I think this little one has... Actually... he he he... I really really wished it had a 3.5mm jack.
Hi I all,
I wasn't stating that I thought the Rhodium was rubbish.
I'm simply stating that I feel HTC are misguided with their designs.
The Rhodium does look very attractive and to be honest I probably will end up buying (purely for the larger screen, better speakers and keyboard) my Raphael is very feature packed but not very functional, the hard keyboard is far from useable and the screen real estate is rather painful after my Uni.
All I am stating is why can't HTC simply take the best of their ideas and current range and roll them all into the so-called "PRo" devices.
Sure we all have different specs that we would like to see as standard but what I fail to understand is why they have to add decent functionality to some devices and then leave it off of others.
For example, Topaz has 5mp lens, yet Rhodium only gets 3mp............. what is the purpose for using the less capable camera............ I'm sure it's no cheaper to manufacture than the 5mp.
It's good to see what others think though,
Thanks all for your points-of-view..........
@ Orb..... :- Glad to see you still floating around too Sir, I have seen you around the Uni and Raphael forums, I just don't have the time to Develop or participate much any more mate. Take care
Regards,
Beasty
What do you really think? Of course they won't release a device with everything, how should they be able to make a follow up ey?
Now they gave us the bigger screen and possibility to adjust the angle, but took the flashlight
Mr.Sir said:
What do you really think? Of course they won't release a device with everything, how should they be able to make a follow up ey?
Now they gave us the bigger screen and possibility to adjust the angle, but took the flashlight
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Perhaps that is my problem then.
At the time of release the Uni had "everything" tilt and twist display, twin cameras, twin speakers, decent sized keyboard and flashlight.
If it had built in GPS and 3.5G I would still be using it as an everyday device.
My point is they got it right at the time with the Uni, why are doing half jobs now
As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
beast0898 said:
As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
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Easy, he says. It's a snap I think you should just get ahead of the curve now and buy one of these.
cocoaju said:
Camera and flash is never an issue for me. I only use the camera once in a while and maybe use it for capturing my contact's photos. I try not to take photos in pitch dark or when there is not enough lighting, even when you have a flash, the photo is awful. Proper lighting is needed for good photos. Serious photos should be taken with a serious SR camera.
As for radio, I am don't mind using the headsets as an hardwire for the antenna, as long as it has a radio for me to listen to when I want to. The News is pretty important to me.
As comparing to the Universal, there is really no comparison, I think. Correct me if I am wrong, this is only a personal feeling. The camera is better, there are more memory, the CPU is at similar speed but the technology is different. Its like comparing a VIA C7-M ULV Processor 1.6GHz to an Intel Atom 1.33GHz. The Atom is actually faster as it is more refined. So really, speed is only a number. It really needed to be tested. But RAM and ROM does make a difference. So the more the better. I hate it when my device tells me I am running out of memory and it crashes.
In all, I think the TP2 is still a pretty good device to bet on. Of course I can think of lots of other things it could have. Like I would love it to have a Snapdragon CPU. I would love it to have HD video capturing. I would love it to have 16m colours. I would love it to have 16GB internal memory, etc...
All I like is an over-all, balanced little hand-held device and which I think this little one has... Actually... he he he... I really really wished it had a 3.5mm jack.
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I fully agree with you on this,
the 3.5 is the only thing I really wish it had.
But I mean it's not like they can build the perfect pocket pc,
everyone's likes/dislikes are completely different.
Well, i think its safe to say, that no matter what device comes out, their will always be something missing.. Some feature someone wanted on it that it doesnt include. Its the way of things. Personally, except for the 3.5mm jack, it pretty much does everything im going to want from it. I just got a 10mp pocket camrea so im not concerned with the built in one. Also, i thought i DID have an FM tuner in it? everything ive read says it does. Even if it doesnt tho, im not concered about it.
ajbopp said:
I dunno, this whole class action thing seems like much ado about nothing to me. I'm constantly ripping movies for my Vogue and they play flawlessly. The idea of videos stopping or skipping is unknown to me. It seems like this class action thing is inspired by people who don't quite know enough for their own good. I suspect it's less of a driver problem than a user expectation problem. I'm no whiz at this stuff, and if anyone would have issues with video, I would expect it to be me, since I don't know what I'm doing when ripping videos for the device.
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I have watched videos on my Hermes and Wizard with little problem. Similar files on my Kaiser skipped a bit. I don't think it is quite the big thing people make it out to be (it still works as a phone), but it certainly exists and I'd rather my phone did everything I wanted rather than just most things.
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Well, i think its safe to say, that no matter what device comes out, their will always be something missing.. Some feature someone wanted on it that it doesnt include. Its the way of things. Personally, except for the 3.5mm jack, it pretty much does everything im going to want from it. I just got a 10mp pocket camrea so im not concerned with the built in one. Also, i thought i DID have an FM tuner in it? everything ive read says it does. Even if it doesnt tho, im not concered about it.
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The 3.5mm jack is pointless IMHO. It wouldn't take a headset, so you have to pull the headphones out to answer the phone. The extUSB is not ideal, but at least you don't have to faff, plus it allows for inline controls. I was initially sceptical, but having lived with it I have been converted. I won't repeat myself, but see here.
And it just occured to me why they have gone with the 3Mp camera. If the pixel size/density is the same in both and the lens is the same size, the physical size of the CCD will be larger in the 5Mp camera, therefore requiring either a stronger lens (resulting in fish eye pictures) or the lens to be further from the CCD. This would make it impractical (or maybe uneconomical) to put a larger CCD in a phone with keyboard as it is slimmer (or at least the keyboard section is slimmer) than a non-keyboard model.
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@ Orb..... :- Glad to see you still floating around too Sir, I have seen you around the Uni and Raphael forums, I just don't have the time to Develop or participate much any more mate. Take care
Regards,
Beasty
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Yes, and thank to you and Laurentius I´m now adicted to this great community
I remember the old days on Universal with you guys
Really miss you!
beast0898 said:
Perhaps that is my problem then.
At the time of release the Uni had "everything" tilt and twist display, twin cameras, twin speakers, decent sized keyboard and flashlight.
If it had built in GPS and 3.5G I would still be using it as an everyday device.
My point is they got it right at the time with the Uni, why are doing half jobs now
As far as releasing a follow up, that too is easy, updated hardware, smaller faster lighter better battery life and MORE functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Completly agree with Beasty!!
Why in 2005 they launched a perfect device: Universal
What happened on 2008/2009??
I´m sure they noticed it´s better to make not perfect devices as everybody will change it every year, if they continue making perfect ones buisness would not be great.
But I can see now TP2 like a good but not perfect option, before thre was nothing...
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The 3.5mm jack is pointless IMHO. It wouldn't take a headset, so you have to pull the headphones out to answer the phone. The extUSB is not ideal, but at least you don't have to faff, plus it allows for inline controls. I was initially sceptical, but having lived with it I have been converted. I won't repeat myself, but see here.
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You can have a 3.5mm socket that takes a headset + 3.5 adaptor, or any 3.5mm plug in the same socket. My X1 has this.
I can see why you'd say it's pointless, as often I use the adaptor (to accept calls with my headphones in), so it could just as well be extUSB. However, it's useful to have the socket for those occasions you need it and don't have the adaptor on you.
Also, I've found 3.5mm sockets unreliable on phones. I had an HD for about 2 weeks and the 3.5mm socket broke (had to send it back for repair), and the same happened after a couple of weeks with my X1. I hope it doesn't happen again, as they took over 2 weeks to repair it!
If all 3.5mm sockets are as badly built as the X1 and HDs ones, I'd rather not have them (unless I renew my T-mobile contract that gave next day swap out replacements!).
codybear said:
I fully agree with you on this,
the 3.5 is the only thing I really wish it had.
But I mean it's not like they can build the perfect pocket pc,
everyone's likes/dislikes are completely different.
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Yup, personally I'd just as soon it had no camera at all. I'm stuck paying for and carrying a hunk of tech I don't really want. But the world seems to be against me on the utility of camera phones.
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Also, I've found 3.5mm sockets unreliable on phones. I had an HD for about 2 weeks and the 3.5mm socket broke (had to send it back for repair), and the same happened after a couple of weeks with my X1. I hope it doesn't happen again, as they took over 2 weeks to repair it!
If all 3.5mm sockets are as badly built as the X1 and HDs ones, I'd rather not have them (unless I renew my T-mobile contract that gave next day swap out replacements!).
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the iPhones 3.5mm socket seems to be holding up. I haven't heard any complaints about it, and as far as im aware, it accepts/uses headsets.
Never had any problems with my HD's 3.5mm socket.
beast0898 said:
Hi I all,
...I feel HTC are misguided with their designs.
The Rhodium does look very attractive...
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Why did they have to make it look like an an old i-phone? Isn't the design world past that now?
And why does it have to be bigger than it's predecessor without much usable difference in specification?

[FAQ] LG G3 Camera

This thread is to resolve all common issues with the camera on the LG G3 and to assist people in knowing how to use specific features to get the most out of the camera software.
Any interesting points raised will be added to the OP. I will try to split it into sections where relevant to make it easier to find what you are looking for.
GENERAL
How to access camera when screen is off
Hold the volume down key
Touch to take picture is not working?
Make sure the menu is not open (three dots in top right hand corner)
SPECIFIC FEATURES
* To be finished soon.*
The user needs to enable the shortcut for the volume down in the accessibility menu.
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Camera laser beam
Is the laser beam really harmful to our eyes? Its pretty annoying when laser beam keeps blicking into eyes of people that I take photo
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Is the laser beam really harmful to our eyes? Its pretty annoying when laser beam keeps blicking into eyes of people that I take photo
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Are you being sarcastic? If not its an IR laser so think of a TV remote, which I seriously doubt we'll cause any ill effects.
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camera shots become slow
I own this LG g3 for 3 months and the camera shoots very well at that time but after some weeks after i root the lg g3 it became slow.. when taking pictures it takes 1-2 secs before it take a shot.. and i was wonderin maybe because i root it. and then i unroot my device and restore it from the stock.. my LG G3 is f400k but no good. its still the same the camera shoots slow. i have to wait for a couple of seconds before i can shoot again.. pls help me with this
Does root and rom affect the camera quality, as it does on the Sony phones?
gotcha640 said:
Does root and rom affect the camera quality, as it does on the Sony phones?
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Not really i dont know what happen but the shutter speed of my camera became slow... and its sucks really
zyronblack said:
I own this LG g3 for 3 months and the camera shoots very well at that time but after some weeks after i root the lg g3 it became slow.. when taking pictures it takes 1-2 secs before it take a shot.. and i was wonderin maybe because i root it. and then i unroot my device and restore it from the stock.. my LG G3 is f400k but no good. its still the same the camera shoots slow. i have to wait for a couple of seconds before i can shoot again.. pls help me with this
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Is HDR mode enabled? These shots take longer to process.
573W1E said:
Is HDR mode enabled? These shots take longer to process.
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no it is not on.. the shutterspeed is slow compared back then...
zyronblack said:
no it is not on.. the shutterspeed is slow compared back then...
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What are the lighting conditions like when you're trying to take a picture? Generally if you're not outdoors and/or in bright light, then the perceived shutter speed can increase due to the lack of manual controls.
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What are the lighting conditions like when you're trying to take a picture? Generally if you're not outdoors and/or in bright light, then the perceived shutter speed can increase due to the lack of manual controls.
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Im in a well lit room.. normal room lighting's.. but even i tested the camera outside the house. the shutter speed im experiencing now is so much different before i notice a great significant of delay..
zyronblack said:
Im in a well lit room.. normal room lighting's.. but even i tested the camera outside the house. the shutter speed im experiencing now is so much different before i notice a great significant of delay..
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Where are your photos being stored, internal storage or an external SD card? These could have an impact on how quickly photos are saved and possibly delay capture. Is your selected storage device getting full or in the case of a SD card, is it a good quality card (what brand, what class etc.)?
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Where are your photos being stored, internal storage or an external SD card? These could have an impact on how quickly photos are saved and possibly delay capture. Is your selected storage device getting full or in the case of a SD card, is it a good quality card (what brand, what class etc.)?
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as i said i just unroot my device and i save my photo internally my device is currently clean now without any files just the stock apps....

My X727 two week review

Picked up an X727 during BF deal (great price) and have been using the phone for couple of weeks now and I thought I would share my experience.
I didn't intent to use this phone as a DD but it has become one. I like it more than I thought I would.
I have unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed TWRP. Got rid of bloatwares and changed the launcher to Nova. Besides those changes, the phone remains pretty much stock.
Using Nova not only bypassed eui, but also setting up some gestures on Nova helped with a better UI experience like jumping directly to system settings, jumping into the control display, and pinch to shut down.
Here are few of positive points.
1) The phone is quick. I didn't really notice it in the beginning but I can feel the slow down when I switch over to 808 or 810 based phones. It also stays very cool for the speedy performance.
2) For T-mobile, having hot spot support and Wi-Fi calling straight out of the box is really nice.
3) Battery life is long. Not incredibly long but still really nice to have the extra cushion.
4) Sound quality and the double stereo speaker set up. Not loud but still fairly good sound.
Here are few Okay points.
1) Display is good. Not great but not bad. Slightly on the cool side. 1080P display is fine.
2) Fingerprint reader is competent. Only seems to have to read twice when it's waking up from a deep sleep. Other times, it works well and quickly.
3) I was worried about the camera but It's okay. Nothing to write home about but it takes okay pictures.
Here are few of negative points.
1) The stock camera HDR mode is horrendously slow to take picture and to process. Definitely need a better camera app.
2) Quick Control display under the recent button. Why? (also missing chromecast control)
3) No earphone jack. I miss being able to plug in any old ear buds. The included ear buds are good but can't charge at the same time.
There are couple of odd s/w behaviors but it's a minor and the phone functions as DD just fine. Hope to see a Nougat (either official or CM14.1) release soon.
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Picked up an X727 during BF deal (great price) and have been using the phone for couple of weeks now and I thought I would share my experience.
I didn't intent to use this phone as a DD but it has become one. I like it more than I thought I would.
I have unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed TWRP. Got rid of bloatwares and changed the launcher to Nova. Besides those changes, the phone remains pretty much stock.
Using Nova not only bypassed eui, but also setting up some gestures on Nova helped with a better UI experience like jumping directly to system settings, jumping into the control display, and pinch to shut down.
Here are few of positive points.
1) The phone is quick. I didn't really notice it in the beginning but I can feel the slow down when I switch over to 808 or 810 based phones. It also stays very cool for the speedy performance.
2) For T-mobile, having hot spot support and Wi-Fi calling straight out of the box is really nice.
3) Battery life is long. Not incredibly long but still really nice to have the extra cushion.
4) Sound quality and the double stereo speaker set up. Not loud but still fairly good sound.
Here are few Okay points.
1) Display is good. Not great but not bad. Slightly on the cool side. 1080P display is fine.
2) Fingerprint reader is competent. Only seems to have to read twice when it's waking up from a deep sleep. Other times, it works well and quickly.
3) I was worried about the camera but It's okay. Nothing to write home about but it takes okay pictures.
Here are few of negative points.
1) The stock camera HDR mode is horrendously slow to take picture and to process. Definitely need a better camera app.
2) Quick Control display under the recent button. Why? (also missing chromecast control)
3) No earphone jack. I miss being able to plug in any old ear buds. The included ear buds are good but can't charge at the same time.
There are couple of odd s/w behaviors but it's a minor and the phone functions as DD just fine. Hope to see a Nougat (either official or CM14.1) release soon.
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Thanks just got the phone today. Is all the le crap apps ok to uninstall?
zmanfarlee said:
Thanks just got the phone today. Is all the le crap apps ok to uninstall?
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There is a separate thread where I have listed apps that I froze. The phone seems to function fine.
I didn't delete system apps just because I've run into problems before.
I just froze them.
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There is a separate thread where I have listed apps that I froze. The phone seems to function fine.
I didn't delete system apps just because I've run into problems before.
I just froze them.
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I see it now. Thank you.
It's a bit short review, should be spoken more.
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It's a bit short review, should be spoken more.
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What would like to be "spoken" about?
By me (and my x720) extending your list;
pros
Good quality with headphones, supported by Dolby Atmos and equalizer
Screen is hard, it can be Gorilla Glass 4
Build-in cleaning app (phone manager)
Comfortable grip
Great money-specs value, in my opinion the best choice
cons
Slow and not too good quality of cams pictures
Build-in apps, witch need too many permission to work, still worse than google play's replacements, sometimes in chinese language and is trouble to unistall them
Stock apps drain battery too fast, on Nova Launcher, Firefox, Pi Music etc it is improved
Less ROM + multilanguage support
Stock apps force portrait screen orientation, witch is annoying in 5,5"
Stock ROM kill features like multi-colour LED notification (force chosen colors), take some troubles with notifications etc
ROM, ROM, ROM... It's one of the most and only true trouble in this phone. Everybody agree?
I broke down and purchased one locally for $200. Have only played with it for a couple hours but so far so good. I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. Magisk V9 and Phh superuser work to pass SafetyNet so Android Pay and Pokemon Go are a "go"! Having a OnePlus 3, QuickCharge 3.0 just doesn't compare to VOOC charging. The phone gets hot and it slows down the charging. Haven't seen it hit 3000+ma yet. VOOC is cooler and faster charging tech. Good build, I like it.
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I broke down and purchased one locally for $200. Have only played with it for a couple hours but so far so good. I unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. Magisk V9 and Phh superuser work to pass SafetyNet so Android Pay and Pokemon Go are a "go"! Having a OnePlus 3, QuickCharge 3.0 just doesn't compare to VOOC charging. The phone gets hot and it slows down the charging. Haven't seen it hit 3000+ma yet. VOOC is cooler and faster charging tech. Good build, I like it.
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You gotta understand that QC and VOOC are different charging technology. I agree that VOOC would run cooler and faster. But with QC you shall never see very high current, cause QC increases the voltage by keeping current about same.
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You gotta understand that QC and VOOC are different charging technology. I agree that VOOC would run cooler and faster. But with QC you shall never see very high current, cause QC increases the voltage by keeping current about same.
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Yeah, I understand. I just got used to how my OP3 charges. This is my first QC3.0 device.
how did you unlock bootloader and installed twrp on le pro 3 x727?
It comes with the adapter to 3.5mm earphone jack, right?? (I have tons of 3.5mm earphones so is worth to ask)
csrow said:
Picked up an X727 during BF deal (great price) and have been using the phone for couple of weeks now and I thought I would share my experience.
I didn't intent to use this phone as a DD but it has become one. I like it more than I thought I would.
I have unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed TWRP. Got rid of bloatwares and changed the launcher to Nova. Besides those changes, the phone remains pretty much stock.
Using Nova not only bypassed eui, but also setting up some gestures on Nova helped with a better UI experience like jumping directly to system settings, jumping into the control display, and pinch to shut down.
Here are few of positive points.
1) The phone is quick. I didn't really notice it in the beginning but I can feel the slow down when I switch over to 808 or 810 based phones. It also stays very cool for the speedy performance.
2) For T-mobile, having hot spot support and Wi-Fi calling straight out of the box is really nice.
3) Battery life is long. Not incredibly long but still really nice to have the extra cushion.
4) Sound quality and the double stereo speaker set up. Not loud but still fairly good sound.
Here are few Okay points.
1) Display is good. Not great but not bad. Slightly on the cool side. 1080P display is fine.
2) Fingerprint reader is competent. Only seems to have to read twice when it's waking up from a deep sleep. Other times, it works well and quickly.
3) I was worried about the camera but It's okay. Nothing to write home about but it takes okay pictures.
Here are few of negative points.
1) The stock camera HDR mode is horrendously slow to take picture and to process. Definitely need a better camera app.
2) Quick Control display under the recent button. Why? (also missing chromecast control)
3) No earphone jack. I miss being able to plug in any old ear buds. The included ear buds are good but can't charge at the same time.
There are couple of odd s/w behaviors but it's a minor and the phone functions as DD just fine. Hope to see a Nougat (either official or CM14.1) release soon.
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could you tell me how you managed to unlock the bootloader and install a twrp ?? I did not find any method that really works
Luan Rauber said:
could you tell me how you managed to unlock the bootloader and install a twrp ?? I did not find any method that really works
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There is a thread on how to unlock and add TWRP. If you are having a problem, you should ask in that thread.
You need to explain exactly where the process is failing. Just be careful since it's easy to mess up and brick your device. Also unlocking will void your warranty.
Ask the question there and see if someone can help you.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/leeco-le-pro-3-root-t3476560
I have unlocked and rooted three x727s so far and have not had any problems. 18s,19s, and 23s(or was it 21s)
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There is a thread on how to unlock and add TWRP. If you are having a problem, you should ask in that thread.
You need to explain exactly where the process is failing. Just be careful since it's easy to mess up and brick your device. Also unlocking will void your warranty.
Ask the question there and see if someone can help you.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/leeco-le-pro-3-root-t3476560
I have unlocked and rooted three x727s so far and have not had any problems. 18s,19s, and 23s(or was it 21s)
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Did you follow the fastboot step oem unlock-go? and it worked?
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Did you follow the fastboot step oem unlock-go? and it worked?
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The answer is on page 21.
Please read the thread and ask questions there.
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The answer is on page 21.
Please read the thread and ask questions there.
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The link you posted only goes to page 17.
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The link you posted only goes to page 17.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=71566961&postcount=203

Optical Image Stabilization wire sounds how to turn off?

Hey there,
Its not possible to get a AF picture /video. pictures blurred and washed out..
i checked out theres an OIS build in, and i think its going crazy and i would like to know if its possible to disable the function. Thanks everybody..
euphore
edit:
maybe that way..? https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62039311&postcount=64
or could this method works for me?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62625493&postcount=89
euphore said:
Hey there,
if its possible to disable the function.
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No way. I had this same issue, it's a hardware failure, unfortunately. Only way is to replace the camera module or the whole phone. Fortunately mine had the warranty yet, so I've got a replacement phone.
Runner_cz said:
No way. I had this same issue, it's a hardware failure, unfortunately. Only way is to replace the camera module or the whole phone. Fortunately mine had the warranty yet, so I've got a replacement phone.
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I expect that response..
but as u can see in my second link, there had someone sucess with disabling that feature..
i mean, the OIS ist not really broken, it looks like its out of calibration. so maybe theres a possibility to turn it off or to calibrate it again?..
euphore said:
I expect that response..
but as u can see in my second link, there had someone sucess with disabling that feature..
i mean, the OIS ist not really broken, it looks like its out of calibration. so maybe theres a possibility to turn it off or to calibrate it again?..
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The OIS is simply a 2-axis gyroscope and actuator built into the camera module. The camera module is a stand-alone subsystem with it's own firmware independent of the OS. These are typically robust from a firmware perspective and have self-calibration routines upon power up, so if rebooting your phone doesn't solve the issue, it's likely not a calibration problem.
Based on your reported symptoms, it sounds more the like the focus sensor has malfunctioned and it keeps snapping around to find the focal point. I suppose it's possible it's a broken gyro or actuator (both are MEMS devices and relatively fragile) but the simple troubleshooting I would recommend is to make sure the camera lens is clean and that there is no dust or moisture underneath. If that doesn't work, I would do a factory reset to make sure there isn't a rogue camera app running on your phone. If all that fails, it's likely an unrecoverable hardware fault.
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The OIS is simply a 2-axis gyroscope and actuator built into the camera module. The camera module is a stand-alone subsystem with it's own firmware independent of the OS. These are typically robust from a firmware perspective and have self-calibration routines upon power up, so if rebooting your phone doesn't solve the issue, it's likely not a calibration problem.
Based on your reported symptoms, it sounds more the like the focus sensor has malfunctioned and it keeps snapping around to find the focal point. I suppose it's possible it's a broken gyro or actuator (both are MEMS devices and relatively fragile) but the simple troubleshooting I would recommend is to make sure the camera lens is clean and that there is no dust or moisture underneath. If that doesn't work, I would do a factory reset to make sure there isn't a rogue camera app running on your phone. If all that fails, it's likely an unrecoverable hardware fault.
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I already did a full factory reset.. didnt help so far And the lens looks clean so far..
When i just shake the phone a bit for a while it gets a focused pic. (the gyro stops making these noisy sounds..)
But isnt there maybe a way, like in my first link to edit the build to prevent the gyro from starting?
I just try out if this (https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/mod-jitterygyrofixforcardboard-t3202149) supposed to help
euphore said:
I already did a full factory reset.. didnt help so far And the lens looks clean so far..
When i just shake the phone a bit for a while it gets a focused pic. (the gyro stops making these noisy sounds..)
But isnt there maybe a way, like in my first link to edit the build to prevent the gyro from starting?
I just try out if this (https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/mod-jitterygyrofixforcardboard-t3202149) supposed to help
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If shaking temporarily gets it working again, than it is likely the actuator has debris in it that's causing it to jam. Being a MEMS device, it's prone to little pieces of the silicon chipping off which in turn get stuck in the actuation motor. I have some familiarity with the InvenSense gyroscope in the Fire phone, and while it has it's own quality issues, I never saw failures that resulted in the symptoms you are seeing.
Unfortunately, there aren't any consumer available tools I'm aware of to turn off the OIS portion of the camera module.
Edit: Forgot to mention, the UX gyro is completely separate from the OIS gyro. Two totally different chips. Turning off the UX gyro won't help your issue.
Just wanted to share this video with my issue: https://forums.androidcentral.com/ask-question/637735-camera-keeps-shaking-hardware-fault.html
Just to share my results.. there is a fix. Just put a little stripe of neodym magnet next to the lens and the gyro stops moving..
thats the cheapest solution tho

General F3: My observations so far

Hello everyone,
I got my device some time ago and wanted to highlight the things that rarely ever get mentioned by your average youtuber.
-) Yes, vibration motor noise is there.
But it feels really intentional, not like it is broken.
For me personally I don't mind it really, just wanted to share it since this is dicussed in this forum.
I don't have the "crackling" that has been mentioned, it feels more like when you set the alarm on an iPhone and rotate the hours/minutes wheel - satisfying.
-) Screen PWM'ing
The display is great, gets decently bright especially when viewing HDR content on YT.
Also the 120Hz is definitely a game changer, you can trust me on that.
What I however noticed coming from my F1 is the PWM.
Feels like they do 240-280Hz PWMing the brightness.
I feel like it is causing me headaches and sore eyes, but might just be the exhaustion after coming home from office work on Thursday's
Will see how it develops - my F1 has also PWM, but at around 4000Hz (!) which is definitely not noticeable.
Anyone of you have noticed the PWM? I might be an isolated case, even all high-end Samsungs's have 240Hz and no one complains ...
If you know a hack to enable DC dimming just shoot me a PM please
Hope I don't have to send it back because of this, would be really a shame.
-) Green tilt
Yes, I have noticed some green tilt at the upper half of the screen.
Only happens at really low brightnesses and with certain silver/grey'ish colors in dark mode with reading mode on.
But it is really minor, you really have to focus to make out a slight green shift.
That is no issue for me really, but wanted to highlight it because of the ongoing discussin.
Actually that was all.
The rest is great so far.
Extremely fast, premium build, nice AOD, battery is good so far, camera is more than enough for me and the sound quality is excellent.
If you want to me to test/check out something just let me know, as long as it doesn't involve ADB
Motor noise?
djuroue1 said:
Motor noise?
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The vibration motor for the haptic feedback.
GeForce66 said:
The vibration motor for the haptic feedback.
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Ah ok.I didnt hear that.
About Dc dimming:
I have read that they had problems with it, so it might not come to the stable version but it can be enabled in the developer version.
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About Dc dimming:
I have read that they had problems with it, so it might not come to the stable version but it can be enabled in the developer version.
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Any link you can share with me? Maybe there is a chance I can give it a try.
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Any link you can share with me? Maybe there is a chance I can give it a try.
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It was stated about the K40 on Weibo by a Xiaomi official, but since it is the same phone as Poco F3 I guess the situation is no different.
Here is a link: https://en.xiaomitoday.it/redmi-k40-poco-f3-dc-dimming.html
Yeah so I have packed it up again and will send it back to Amazon.
Unfortunately the PWM does not go along with my eyes/brain.
But other than that, great device - can definitely recommend, just make sure you are not sensitive to PWM.
When does PWM kick in according to the brightness settings?
From what I have seen as soon as you are below 100%
PWM?
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PWM?
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This should explain very well: https://www.oled-info.com/pulse-width-modulation-pwm-oled-displays
Can you please help me.. I don't know if my eyes are sensitive to pwm or not as I've always used an ips and I don't have the option of returning the phone, I used to get a headache behind my eyes while using my old pc for a long time, so does it relate to it or did you have the same problem?
Well yes, it could be - or you just were in front of the screen too long in general.
For me only my eyes start to burn when i have work in front of the pc all day, but no pain behind the eyes. This only happens with PWM'd OLEDs it seems.
What monitor have you been using with your pc?
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Well yes, it could be - or you just were in front of the screen too long in general.
For me only my eyes start to burn when i have work in front of the pc all day, but no pain behind the eyes. This only happens with PWM'd OLEDs it seems.
What monitor have you been using with your pc?
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samsung monitor b1930n, I used to get the pain after playing for long time. I then switched to a laptop (lenovo z50-70) and the frequency of the pain decreased a lot
I couldn't really find much information. If you have the chance just point a camera at the screen when set to medium/low brightness, if you see the flicker then your screen uses PWM.
To anyone wondering about PWM in the future, notebookcheck measured it at 490Hz. This should be fine for almost anyone.
My current phone Mi 9T has 240 and I did not even know it, so I'm good. Had me scared for a bit with the headaches and whatnot
This is a great phone and I am actually impressed by its display. It's so clear to the point that I enjoyed watching cricket matches on this phone. Great sounds as well, especially for the fact that it's not expensive.
Need assistance !
I'm planning to buy this phone since I'm done with my mi 10T .
Mi 10T having 1 issue which is the only reason i will let it go . The earpiece
has the ultrasonic technology which is annoying and unstable causing a lot of calling issues since there's no a proximity sensor . Even the WhatsApp voice notes having the same issues .
I have looked around for newer phone which i think poco F3 might be the one!
I have tried to look around if xiaomi still using that stupid technology init ! But no luck.
If ur facing proximity sensor issues please confirm since my birthday is coming on sept 18th and I will gify my self a new
Thanks
If you want to change because of the proximity sensor, give the F3 a wide berth. Whether the problem can ever be solved via software is written in the stars - and it is cloudy, very cloudy... I don't think Xiaomi will ever fix this issue.

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