HTC DESIRE 820 LOLLIPOP 5.0 Update released today - Desire 820 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Today, I recieved lollipop v5.0 update on my HTC DESIRE 820 ( Software update 2.10.720..1 for 987.53 MB)
I dont understand why HTC is releasing 5.0 after all this time...
It just promised Marshmallow by the end of the year right? So why give us lollipop now, that too, why 5.0, not 5.1?

SO upset.
ZanyAnomaly said:
Today, I recieved lollipop v5.0 update on my HTC DESIRE 820 ( Software update 2.10.720..1 for 987.53 MB)
I dont understand why HTC is releasing 5.0 after all this time...
It just promised Marshmallow by the end of the year right? So why give us lollipop now, that too, why 5.0, not 5.1?
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India?
It looks like just upgrade there.
HTC says will update 5.0 soon, but now it has been more than one year.And I can't find my update today in my country.
The official pronounces 6.0 by the end of this year, but it just followed the M9 and M8, so Marshmallow hits D820 maybe in the end of our planet.
So disappointed.
Maybe I won't buy HTC phone anymore, and maybe it will not survive next few year by it's acting.

HTC Desire 820 Lollipop Update 5.0 OTA Germany
Today l get the L update 5.0 (1GB) on my HTC Desire 820 in Germany
The big rollout is starting
Now check your phone ^^

OneJosh26 said:
Today l get the L update 5.0 (1GB) on my HTC Desire 820 in Germany
The big rollout is starting
Now check your phone ^^
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I hope coming very soon to Belgium soon! Is it for single sim too?
---------- Post added at 01:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:33 PM ----------
Just checked again since this morning, the update is now downloading!! Lollipop update available in Belgium for single sim!! Oooow yeaaaaahhh!

Sceptic about it
OneJosh26 said:
Today l get the L update 5.0 (1GB) on my HTC Desire 820 in Germany
The big rollout is starting
Now check your phone ^^
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gortys said:
I hope coming very soon to Belgium soon! Is it for single sim too?
---------- Post added at 01:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:33 PM ----------
Just checked again since this morning, the update is now downloading!! Lollipop update available in Belgium for single sim!! Oooow yeaaaaahhh!
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I just saw the new update is released, but since it's not 5.1.x I'm kinda sceptic about downloading it. Considering user complaints on Android L of heating and battery draining issues... I just need a favor, could you just test if the top speaker play ringtone while having a call and let us know? I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance.

Nothing here..
Please upload the update for the europe single sim version desire 51 ul.!
Thanks

No update in Romania
I checked update but nothing new.Please upload the new update here

Hello there guys!
I`ve received the update before 20 hours.
I had a delay, but after returning to factory settings everything is as it should - amazing.
Greetings from Bulgaria.

Update to lollipop 5.0 , but i'm still on sense 6, anyone updated to sense 7.0
Also check the twitter, HTC promised to update D820 to marshmallow.

Update arrived in Romania. Takes a long time to download. 1gb size of update.

I downloaded the update but when my phone get into recovery mode it's start the installation and then stop anyone can help pleas?
Sent from my HTC Desire 820 using XDA Free mobile app

Headphones error
Since I updated to Lollipop 5.0.2 the headphones stopped beeing recogniized by the phone. I am waiting for a new update.

szcsabi14 said:
Since I updated to Lollipop 5.0.2 the headphones stopped beeing recogniized by the phone. I am waiting for a new update.
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you will die waiting before an update comes. do a backup of your phone, then factory reset it, clearing internal memory. then it should work.
from next time, always do a clean install for a major update. search on xda if you have any issues.

control freak said:
you will die waiting before an update comes. do a backup of your phone, then factory reset it, clearing internal memory. then it should work.
from next time, always do a clean install for a major update. search on xda if you have any issues.
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Thank you. After long pressing the Volume up + Power button (at least 10 seconds) the phone restarted, and the headhones start working again. 10x for your reply

Receiving here in Slovenia on mono-SIM 820, will make a hard reset after upgrade, just to be sure

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Waiting for official update

I am on an LG quantum, and 98% of stuff is working great, but I am having a few issues. Completely random reboot, LG apps don't work right or at all (PlayTo tells me to update then close), some UI effects lag or bug out, battery isn't any better than NoDo expect with batterysaver. Is anyone else seeing these issues?
Sent from my LG-C900 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
So, have you gotten the official update? I'm on RTM 7720.68 and I still haven't got the update.
Looks like we have to wait another 2 weeks...
Look here...
http://www.wpcentral.com/mango-update-release-september-15th
I am on 7720.68, but I think there are some firmware issues with my quantum like some little bugs that weren't there with nodo (random reboot, minor UI effect issues) anyone else on mango noticed anything like this?
guess we have to wait another 15 more days..
im using quantum too. no random reboot problem but got little bug on 7720.
13 more days
Good thing i havent flash my rom. Im using HTC Trophy. ...
So do we still get the official update directly from 7720.68 or do we have to revert back to nodo?
I believe you have to revert to Nodo for you carriers update.
its possible tha tu can update from 7720.68. because previously i flashed my radio from 5.65 to 5.66 using custom tools RUU
then u downgraded to nodo, but the radio was still 5.66 .then i installe dmango , zune again changed my radio to 5.65
so there u go...
i`ve just got a mozart from ebay and it had mango on it 7.10.7720.68 with radio 5.54
how would i update this radio if i can , and how do i find out if its unlocked or not.
would this get any updates when the official mango comes out. i`m stuck really i`m used to android os which is easy to change and mess with. but i`m licking the windows os at the mo.
Magpir said:
guess we have to wait another 15 more days..
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One of those HTC reps yesterday let slip a "last week of September" for Mango. So we still have a good month to wait roughly
Latest News :Mango release.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/jul/27/windows-phone-mango-rtm
I really hope ,that`s not true? October? Pfff. Microsoft.
hopefully not.
jaythang said:
Good thing i havent flash my rom. Im using HTC Trophy. ...
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I have a HTC sourrond and update mine to mango ..
OS version:7.10.7720.68
Firmware revision # 2250.21.15204.502
Hardware revision #0003
Radio software version: 5.66.09.09_22.46.50.21H
Radio hardware version:A.26.0.D4
Bootloader version: 1.52.2250.4(120323)
Chip SOC version:2.2.5.0
working perfect..
Ttblondey said:
Latest News :Mango release.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/jul/27/windows-phone-mango-rtm
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Dude, that article was written in July!
JimmyRespawn said:
im using quantum too. no random reboot problem but got little bug on 7720.
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Maybe it is only a problem with my device (random reboot). What type of bug are you getting, and see if PlayTo now called SmartShare works, when I launch it, it tell me to update to the latest version (I am on 7720.68), then closes.
Thanks
hardcoreplur said:
Maybe it is only a problem with my device (random reboot). What type of bug are you getting, and see if PlayTo now called SmartShare works, when I launch it, it tell me to update to the latest version (I am on 7720.68), then closes.
Thanks
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no issues here either on 7720.68. SmartShare does the same thing on mine, but I believe this will be fixed once new firmware comes from LG with official Mango update. No reboots and everthing is very smooth.
Is build 7.10.7720 the final rtm or is it 7.10.7721?

[Q] System Update - 12/19/14 - 3.31.654.2?

Anyone get the M8 system update on 12/19?
HTC lists it as an bug fix update - version 3.31.651.2
Now today (12/22), I got an update that lists it as bug fixes also with a version of 3.31.654.2
I was wondering what it's fixing as I can't find any changelog.
I am using the Sprint M8 H&K model.
Lego
I got the 651 version today, but I have the regular M8, not the HK version. I'm curious what this does as well. I wasn't able to get the previous update to 4.4.4, making me think it had been pulled. Would love to see what bug fixes they're referring to.
hilker09 said:
I got the 651 version today, but I have the regular M8, not the HK version. I'm curious what this does as well. I wasn't able to get the previous update to 4.4.4, making me think it had been pulled. Would love to see what bug fixes they're referring to.
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What I found interesting is, that they only way I found the update was selecting "check for updates" in my settings...
I never got a notification for it....
I did get the 4.4.4 though weeks ago.....
Seems HTC wants to keep what ever they are trying to fix under wraps, whose back are they watching google's or their own...
naturally I would think their own...!
Is this to do with the latest fiasco we faced with the HTC service packs (I still haven't installed the new one which has been released after the December 11th release!!!)

New update 308mb, what was that ?

Hi.
I am from India.
1 jan 2015 i was received an update 308mb. After update there is no change.
Now software version is v1.22.720.1
Can any one tell what was that?
Sent from my HTC Desire 820 dual sim using XDA Free mobile app
chin2saini said:
Hi.
I am from India.
1 jan 2015 i was received an update 308mb. After update there is no change.
Now software version is v1.22.720.1
Can any one tell what was that?
Sent from my HTC Desire 820 dual sim using XDA Free mobile app
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Can New Update Fix the Negative’s On Device??
Yesterday HTC launch a new update 1.22.720.1 to fix the Negative’s on HTC Desire Handsets.The File size of the new update is nearly 300 to 310 MB,That will brings new look to Desire,Now some issues will be solved because of that update,
What’s The new features
Battery Backup:
*Battery Backup Will be increased Day by Day due to that bug fixed update
After finishing your update,use your mobile was going to Switchoff by itself
After switchoff ,connecting the Original HTC charger for 6 to 8 Hours Without any Distrubance.
Repeat this process for 5 to 6 days your battery backup will be improved.
Voice Selfie:
*Voice Selfie lets you easily take photo or video selfies using voice control. You just need to turn this feature on in the camera settings.
Open the Camera app.
Switch to Selfie mode. To find out how to switch between capture modes, see Choosing a capture mode.
On the Viewfinder screen, tap to show the camera options.
Tap > Camera options.
Select the Voice Selfie option, and then press ON
*Say Say Cheese or Capture to take a photo selfie.
*Say Action or Rolling to record a video selfie.
Music Distrubances:
*Its solves the Music problem,when some notification will be appears while listening the music, it distrubing the music,now the problem was solved
Source : https://besttricklab.wordpress.com/
subhashdas said:
Can New Update Fix the Negative’s On Device??
Yesterday HTC launch a new update 1.22.720.1 to fix the Negative’s on HTC Desire Handsets.The File size of the new update is nearly 300 to 310 MB,That will brings new look to Desire,Now some issues will be solved because of that update,
What’s The new features
Battery Backup:
*Battery Backup Will be increased Day by Day due to that bug fixed update
After finishing your update,use your mobile was going to Switchoff by itself
After switchoff ,connecting the Original HTC charger for 6 to 8 Hours Without any Distrubance.
Repeat this process for 5 to 6 days your battery backup will be improved.
Voice Selfie:
*Voice Selfie lets you easily take photo or video selfies using voice control. You just need to turn this feature on in the camera settings.
Open the Camera app.
Switch to Selfie mode. To find out how to switch between capture modes, see Choosing a capture mode.
On the Viewfinder screen, tap to show the camera options.
Tap > Camera options.
Select the Voice Selfie option, and then press ON
*Say Say Cheese or Capture to take a photo selfie.
*Say Action or Rolling to record a video selfie.
Music Distrubances:
*Its solves the Music problem,when some notification will be appears while listening the music, it distrubing the music,now the problem was solved
Source : https://besttricklab.wordpress.com/
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You made that up didn't you?
gautampw said:
You made that up didn't you?
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See the source buddy.
by the way after the update i checked the voice selfie and the sound enhancement and both works. i dont know about the battery enhancement.
If you have updated check the camera setting and you'll see.
Plz help me ... None of flash alert app works on htc desire 820 ... Plz tell a solution
I didn't get any update yet why? I'm living in U.A.E (Please Advice)
ecrudragon said:
I didn't get any update yet why? I'm living in U.A.E (Please Advice)
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I am from india and i received the updates on 2nd jan, you can manually check for the update in the setting/about phone.
Today (Jan 8, 2015) I've received the same update ! The Update size is exactly 307.86MB.
I was happy to see a Software update notification as I'm expecting Lollipop Update to my D820, but it is't Lollipop update, it is a update for existing Android KitKat 4.4.4.
Let's hope Lollipop will be our next update
code3h said:
Today (Jan 8, 2015) I've received the same update ! The Update size is exactly 307.86MB.
I was happy to see a Software update notification as I'm expecting Lollipop Update to my D820, but it is't Lollipop update, it is a update for existing Android KitKat 4.4.4.
Let's hope Lollipop will be our next update
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There's no official word from HTC for lollipop update on desire 820.
Hope it will be updated because its run on 64bit and lollipop is for 64bit.
So according to this hope it will definitely update to lollipop.
Otherwise there is no need for 64bit on this device because kitkat is running on 32bit only.
Sent from my HTC Desire 820 dual sim using XDA Free mobile app
Dear @subhashdas
I already unlocked the bootloader so i am not able to check the updates manually, i had rooted my phone because 100s of my apps need rooted phone... what should i do relock the bootloader?
ecrudragon said:
Dear @subhashdas
I already unlocked the bootloader so i am not able to check the updates manually, i had rooted my phone because 100s of my apps need rooted phone... what should i do relock the bootloader?
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Sorry buddy i don't have any idea about this, you could try locking bootloader.
I am waiting for the android l update only then i'll rrot my phone.
subhashdas said:
Sorry buddy i don't have any idea about this, you could try locking bootloader.
I am waiting for the android l update only then i'll rrot my phone.
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Dont Simply relock the boot loader, then you cant install the update.
Please follow this steps: To bring Back your phone to Factory Settings
1. connect your phone to pc and enable usb debugging.
2. If you installed Recovery like CMW or TWRP, then restore the nandroid backup.
3. Flash the original Stock recovery of HTC desire 820.
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
4. Finally relock the boot loader using the following command
fastboot oem lock
Any custom roms for HTC Desire 820t?
Please advice
ecrudragon said:
Any custom roms for HTC Desire 820t?
Please advice
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Not yet.
but its coming soon.
subhashdas said:
Not yet.
but its coming soon.
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Fingers crossed dear @subhashdas i appreciate your kind replies.
chin2saini said:
.....received an update 308mb. After update there is no change.
Now software version is v1.22.720.1 Can any one tell what was that?....
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+1. i posted here about this.
has anyone successfully rooted and installed custom recovery on htc desire 820 dual-sim (D820u)?
is D820t dual sim? how is it different from D820u? somebody please upload screenshots of Phone Identity and Software Info.
D820u dual china model.
About this procedure:
1. If phone is rooted with custom recovery, its not possible install ota but can it check and find it?
2. While restoring stock recovery, debug usb seting must be enabled,fastboot setting disabled. Then, phone should enter in fastboot mode also, via adb.
# edit :Restored to stock 1.21.1405.1 successfully..
My Htc desire 820 shows over 8 gb of memory usage in others
hi
i have htc desire 820 dual sim and its phone memory composition shows me that about 7.75gb is been accumulated by 'other' section.
Plz help me in giving some infomation about it and ways to reduce it and i have not modified anything yet.
reply as soon as possible .
reply much appreciated.
thanks
about HTC Desire 820 update
last January htc released and update with software no 1.22.720.1
and i have a problem with update in the software .. can any one help me with the source file of this update and send it to me ??
thaaanks
Do you have any idea where I can get the original stock recovery.img file mentioned in the step 3?

Software update 1.96.709.5 for Taiwanese version

Hi guys,
I'm posting to let you know that today my HTC 10 Taiwanese (stock and unlocked) received the update version 1.96.709.5 (456,99 MB) with the following improvements:
1) Support for VoLTE
2) Support for Wifi calling
3) Google Security Update (September 1)
4) System and Camera enhancements
I though it was Nougat but when I saw the size I realized it's not
Anyway an update is always welcome for me.
Does this update fix the "video flickering issue" in low light?
Jadraker said:
Hi guys,
I'm posting to let you know that today my HTC 10 Taiwanese (stock and unlocked) received the update version 1.96.709.5 (456,99 MB) with the following improvements:
1) Support for VoLTE
2) Support for Wifi calling
3) Google Security Update (September 1)
4) System and Camera enhancements
I though it was Nougat but when I saw the size I realized it's not
Anyway an update is always welcome for me.
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Thanks, an i wouldn't expect 7 for at least another couple months.. maybe a bit less.
What camera improvements does it contains?
deakelem said:
Thanks, an i wouldn't expect 7 for at least another couple months.. maybe a bit less.
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They said 7 would come by the end of this year
Jadraker said:
Hi guys,
I'm posting to let you know that today my HTC 10 Taiwanese (stock and unlocked) received the update version 1.96.709.5 (456,99 MB) with the following improvements:
1) Support for VoLTE
2) Support for Wifi calling
3) Google Security Update (September 1)
4) System and Camera enhancements
I though it was Nougat but when I saw the size I realized it's not
Anyway an update is always welcome for me.
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Hi,
I cannot find menu to enable VoLTE and WiFi calling features after updated to this version.
Did you find this feature on "setting/call/....??
Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk
Me too! Despite it's indicated in the update there's no "Enhanced call service" in Call settings.
Maybe these options are shown only if you have a compatible SIM card or carrier? It's a guess, I don't know
ian.anindya said:
Hi,
I cannot find menu to enable VoLTE and WiFi calling features after updated to this version.
Did you find this feature on "setting/call/....??
Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk
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i am using tw set 64gb, no updates so far...is there something wrong with my fone?
VoTE or WiFi Calling probably only activate if you have a special Taiwan Carrier.
It's not showing up for me either in Switzerland.
Anyone here in Taiwan with working VoLTE or WiFi Calling?
New update 1.98. 709.5
New update today. Still no VoLTE or WiFi calling in calls menu.
yes these feature only appear if you have a Taiwanese carrier. I have a sim card for Chunghwa Telecom and T-mobile. As soon as I insert the T-Mobile sim card, the phone restarts and these settings goes away.
Flash the region specific firmware to get volte, I got a CID_622 (HK specific), if I switch to another other firmware then volte wil gone.
look forward someone able to combine all of them in a custom rom.
Nothing new with fm radio function actually activated?
When can we expect a taiwanee version to taste nougat 7.0 anybody?
haq.adnan said:
When can we expect a taiwanee version to taste nougat 7.0 anybody?
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Bored..?
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
jauhien said:
Bored..?
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
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Yeah
Speaking of, which Security Patch Level are you guys on? I'm still on September... Technically speaking should it not be on October?
Guys news for nougat update of our taiwan device?
Nougat fot HTC 10 Taiwanese
Jadraker said:
Hi guys,
I'm posting to let you know that today my HTC 10 Taiwanese (stock and unlocked) received the update version 1.96.709.5 (456,99 MB) with the following improvements:
1) Support for VoLTE
2) Support for Wifi calling
3) Google Security Update (September 1)
4) System and Camera enhancements
I though it was Nougat but when I saw the size I realized it's not
Anyway an update is always welcome for me.
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And do you know when is Nougat coming for the Taiwanese HTC 10 (stock and unlocked)??
xtu666 said:
And do you know when is Nougat coming for the Taiwanese HTC 10 (stock and unlocked)??
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Hi, how do you know if your Taiwanese HTC 10 is Unlocked version?

Moto X Force (XT1580) Android 7.0 NOUGAT is finally here! (25.11.12.en.EU) UPDATED

Moto X Force Official Android 7.0 Nougat Release Note - https://motorola-global-en-aus.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/118889
​Model: Motorola MOTO X Force XT1580
System version: 25.11.12
Build number: NPK25.200-12
Android Version: Android 7.0 Nougat
Android Security Patch Level: 1st April 2017
I have received the update and installed it too! Everything seems buttery smooth and faster than before! Install it now! :good:
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Note: I do not know how to extract OTA file from the update, so hope someone could be able to help in sharing the OTA zip file with us.
Seems you are using VPN to receive the update. Which VPN are you using? What is your / the VPN location?
Which screen protector You use? Looks good, any specs or link? I'm in Germany, still no update for eu version.
Seems like only the Motorola employees are getting the update. above photos are familiar to me. Seen somewhere in Facebook page of Moto.
FredericDelany said:
Seems you are using VPN to receive the update. Which VPN are you using? What is your / the VPN location?
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Hi, I am not using VPN. Just using Adguard. I need to turn on the VPN to activate Adguard adblocking. Cheers!
zammi said:
Seems like only the Motorola employees are getting the update. above photos are familiar to me. Seen somewhere in Facebook page of Moto.
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Hi, this phone is a retail version from the store. And the photos belongs to me and I shared to some Facebook pages.
You should be getting your update soon!
zammi said:
Seems like only the Motorola employees are getting the update. above photos are familiar to me. Seen somewhere in Facebook page of Moto.
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Nope. Mine is UK retail. The update came yesterday.
Sent from my XT1580 using Tapatalk
bobyn said:
Nope. Mine is UK retail. The update came yesterday.
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Mine also UK retail. No update yet.
What network are you on?
The most important question, were you guys able to keep root, or install root after updating to Nougat? Thanks!
Yeah, with unlocked bootloader it's easy, just flash a zip in TWRP
Thank you Lonixlon, have you personally updated your X Force while having TWRP? I had a problem with installing OTA security patch as phone booted directly to TWRP. Do you know any workaround for that?
can anyone help this guy to share OTA file?
My idea, maybe stupid and wrong - Update arrives depending on the CID of the phone.
The version of the system says "retapac", which stands for "Retail Asia Pacific" - a retail version of the phone for Asia and the Pacific.
But I do not understand what is written in "On the phone" before upgrading to NUGA. Take on incomprehensible things, mismatches, in the version of Android, the Baseband version, the system version and the build number. In the build number is very old version of the system mpks24.78-8-12, in the version of the system is the latest version of the system with the upgrade to 6.0.1, but here the old version 6.0 and the old modem.
I have a lot of questions without answers ...

			
				
ilia3367 said:
My idea, maybe stupid and wrong - Update arrives depending on the CID of the phone.
The version of the system says "retapac", which stands for "Retail Asia Pacific" - a retail version of the phone for Asia and the Pacific.
But I do not understand what is written in "On the phone" before upgrading to NUGA. Take on incomprehensible things, mismatches, in the version of Android, the Baseband version, the system version and the build number. In the build number is very old version of the system mpks24.78-8-12, in the version of the system is the latest version of the system with the upgrade to 6.0.1, but here the old version 6.0 and the old modem.
I have a lot of questions without answers ...
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Well, may I express my opinion here too. I have an XT1581 Kinzie from China, it came with Lollipop 5.1.1. Workling perfect.
I go and update it to MM 6.0 using a Mexican or LKatin America rom, I keep the modem for the baseband from the Lollipop 5.1.1 Chinese rom, everything works almost better than before, not a single issue.
Now,m I tried to update it to Nougat 7 following the Google+ guide, a nightmare, although an enjoyable one!
First, I have only one sim working, no wif. Try anoth system, now I have two sims OK but still no wifi.
At the end, after many trials, I went back to my old MM 6.0 LAt rom, backed using TWRP, and the system is back to normal with everything working OK.
Did you ask me if I'm going to change? Nope, I'm happy the way things are, unless an official Nougat 7 ir 7.1.1 rom comes by, not loosing other time.
I agreemthere is a lot of confusion between the various roms and regions.
This news about the update and the video is very similar to the fake... Just why from such an ordinary case as an update do such a stupid circus?
not yet arrived in Indian version XT1580
neither for reteu.retfr
I have moto x play, is that mean android nougat not so far from us...??

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