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To root or not to root -- that's never really been a question for Nexus owners. Google's purebred Android phones are by nature developer-friendly and ship with a painless ability to unlock their bootloaders. So, it comes as no great surprise that well-known modder Modaco has achieved this very feat on the Galaxy Nexus, although it is nice to this Ice Cream Sandwich flagship upholding tradition. Whatever your personal computing OS choice, the superboot image file provided at the source will work for you, pushing the superuser APK to your handset and granting you administrator privileges. Retail versions of the phone will likely come locked, so be prepared to wipe your data if you choose to go down this route (pun definitely intended). As always, tinkering with high-end mobile toys comes with the usual associated risks, so proceed with caution. And remember the cardinal rule -- friends don't let friends root their phones.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/...ted-forums-burst-into-applause/#disqus_thread
where did moddaco get the phone from? that means he will dump the system or something?
Who knows? I question it in till he dose a system dump.
lvnatic said:
where did moddaco get the phone from? that means he will dump the system or something?
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Thread already exists discussing this matter *HERE*.
Please use that thread for future posts.
Thread Closed.
Mark.
The DMCA want to make it illegal for us to root or jailbreak phones, tablets and gaming consoles. If this happens then we lose the ability to customize, fix bugs, and correct security issues on our devices that we pay money for. Xda developers will go away , and so will software innovation. Think about what we will lose Cyanogenmod, Miui, Juggernaut, Beastmod all of it gone and so will the money developers make selling root apps on the market this is important. If you think this is silly tell Steve Kondik AKA cyanogen hes the one who brought this to light for many people.
the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
https://www.eff.org/pages/jailbreaking-not-crime-tell-copyright-office-free-your-devices
Do some homework before blowing this off this is serious! Device manufacturers claim Root/jailbreaking violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which carries stiff penalties.
Are you seriously concerned about this? They can't stop us, and if ever we need to send our devices back we just return to stock...simple as that.
Yes, they can't stop us. But the current position on rooting and jailbreaking is only a temporary exemption from the DMCA. This exemption needs to be periodically renewed or it will expire and we will be subject to he DMCA which makes it easy to argue we are breaking the law. That alone would probably have a chilling effect on the rooting communities as the unofficial support from manufacturers dries up. I doubt Samsung will openly support a community perceived as breaking the law.
That said... yes, we need to speak up and help the larger rooting/jailbreaking community to renew this exemption. If we don't speak up, it will die and the FTC will not renew the exemption.
iLeopard said:
Are you seriously concerned about this? They can't stop us, and if ever we need to send our devices back we just return to stock...simple as that.
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Well the question really is if providers have the ability to accurately see what your phone is running and will they be forced to block our service if the DMCA threatens to sue the actual companies.
The real concern here isn’t about our ability to root/jail break our OWN devices or not. It’s about control! These scumbags along with the a**holes that support SOPA and PIPA simply want to keep us in check so they can shove their BS down our throats for the price of whatever they want.
If this happens then no one would ever upgrade phones and the market would take a big hit. We true rooter would aways stay on old phones to keep root.
xile6 said:
If this happens then no one would ever upgrade phones and the market would take a big hit. We true rooter would aways stay on old phones to keep root.
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I'd rather have a 100% stock sII than a modded up g1
anyway if google and the manufacturers want us not to root they will remove the ability to let us.
Smartphones = computers. Its legal to do whatever you want with a computer so long as you do not commit cyber crime.
Desktop pc -> laptop -> notebook -> netbook -> tablet -> smartphone
All these devices are the same... the only difference between them is the size & spec. They are all essentially computers.
If you don't support this by educating yourself and then registering your comments with the US Copyright Office within the next 8 days, like the Software Freedom Law Center has, what do you think will eventually happen to websites like xdadevelopers? Making jailbreaking/rooting illegal would apply to all instances, on devices both old and new. So you would be liable if you used such a device, (although it would be difficult to catch everyone), disseminated information on how to do this to your device, (goodbye all websites that help folks root), or sold services or software that helped someone root their device.
And tri4life's comments are accurate. With these kinds of laws in place, service providers would want, or may be forced to, develop systems which could tell if your smartphone is rooted and then turn off service, and likely put you into a queue for a visit from an "RIAA type" lawsuit. BTW, the "lock-in AppStore you can't change the OS" model is coming to personal computers as well. So not only is this a stand against this behavior on the smartphone front, but also in case this starts to creep into the PC world, as well. The Software Freedom Law Center comments go into some interesting details on this.
If you don't think it's serious than you should actually read the law that's in question here. For fun, you can skip down to the end where it describes the civil and criminal penalties that apply if the exemption is not in place. So not only do we need to support this strongly now, we need to work to make this exemption permanent.
Good Luck..
jordanishere said:
Smartphones = computers. Its legal to do whatever you want with a computer so long as you do not commit cyber crime.
Desktop pc -> laptop -> notebook -> netbook -> tablet -> smartphone
All these devices are the same... the only difference between them is the size & spec. They are all essentially computers.
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That's not entirely true. Some parts of all those devices might contain firmware that is copyrighted and encrypted. The DMCA would make it illegal to circumvent that firmware encryption. The only reason it's legal right now is because of the FTC exemption who ruled it's OK if we're not breaking any IP copyrights.
IMHO, SOPA/PIPA are all expansions on this kind of heavy handed lawmaking and is driven by the RIAA and MPAA. They've been going after 8 year olds and grandmothers just because they'll probably settle and pony up even tho they didn't do anything wrong. But don't misunderstand me. Piracy of IP is a big issue and should be dealt with but siphoning granny's bank accounts and making it illegal to mod your devices is not the way to do it.
We should be asking why we still need these laws if they can still go for an off-shore target like MegaUpload. I think they already have the tools they need and should stop legislating what I do with and to my technology. The scary thing is SOPA/PIPA are NOT DEAD... just tabled for now. I'd bet (not much) that once it's out of our recent memory they'll pass it so fast it'll be law before we can even fight it.
All this recent laws worry me more and more that we are loosing what so many fought and die for over the decades, it's being forgotten that it is By the People for the People not By the People for a few.
"Any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government."
Patrick Henry
why in the world would android continue to be open source then? as Well, HTC allows rooting of devices pretty easily, As well as samsung has their new open to the public Dev programs, so their probably gonna follow HTC with open rooting. I really doubt Android phone manufacturer's will let it go on for very long if it did end up being illegal. Why else does anyone else buy android phones? I think they know that.
xile6 said:
If this happens then no one would ever upgrade phones and the market would take a big hit. We true rooter would aways stay on old phones to keep root.
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Sammy has been kicking out Android phones with unlocked boot loaders from the get go (IN YOUR FACE HTC), so rooting and customizing is almost a given from the manufacturer, but not from the carriers. If it becomes illegal, then it becomes a slippery slope for all of us!
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lawalty said:
Sammy has been kicking out Android phones with unlocked boot loaders from the get go (IN YOUR FACE HTC), so rooting and customizing is almost a given from the manufacturer, but not from the carriers. If it becomes illegal, then it becomes a slippery slope for all of us!
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/26/dmca-update-makes-new-phone-unlocking-illegal/
This makes me really sad... thanks op for bringing this up to attention. Not being able to root an Android device sucks a lot of fun outta it all.
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It was just ruled that it is not illegal to Jailbreak an iphone, tablets may be a different story though. I haven't heard anything regarding android devices.. I would assume it falls under the same category.. Either way it's not gonna stop anyone from doing it
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"Every generation needs a new revolution" -Thomas Jefferson
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Here is a guide for those who may be confused:
Rooting/Jailbreaking:
Smartphones - YES
Tablets - NO
Unlocking
If your phone was purchased prior to January 2013 - YES
New Phone - NO
Phones purchased after January 2013 can be unlocked with carrier's permission
Unrelated:
Blind people can now use DRM stripping software to enable read-allowed function on eBooks purchased legally. However, to supply blind people with the software necessary to do so violates the "trafficking" provision under the rule, and is illegal.
What is not clear....
Carrier unlocking or bootloader unlocking...
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Carrier unlocking will be illegal, unless carrier approval.
C. Wireless telephone handsets – interoperability with alternative
networks
Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that
enable a wireless telephone handset originally acquired from
the operator of a wireless telecommunications network or
retailer no later than ninety days after the effective date of this
exemption to connect to a different wireless
telecommunications network, if the operator of the wireless
communications network to which the handset is locked has
failed to unlock it within a reasonable period of time following
a request by the owner of the wireless telephone handset, and
when circumvention is initiated by the owner, an individual
consumer, who is also the owner of the copy of the computer
program in such wireless telephone handset, solely in order to
connect to a different wireless telecommunications network,
and such access to the network is authorized by the operator of
the network.
Bootloaders fall under the purview of jailbreak/root:
B. Wireless telephone handsets – software interoperability
Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to
execute lawfully obtained software applications, where
circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling
interoperability of such applications with computer programs
on the telephone handset.
sdlopez83 said:
What is not clear....
Carrier unlocking or bootloader unlocking...
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Thought you'd Defy users like to read this:
Don't blame manufacturers' software customizations for holding up mobile phone upgrades to the new version of Google's mobile operating system, Android 4.0"Ice Cream Sandwich" (ICS), a top executive at Motorola said Wednesday.
It's the hardware, said Christy Wyatt, senior vice president and general manager of Motorola's Enterprise Business Unit. The issue at hand, according to Wyatt, is that writing code to support hardware other than Google's Nexus model has proven to be a tall order for smartphone makers.
Souce: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400023,00.asp.
This seems true....the AOSP community also said that they can't release it because of legal actions .
I wonder what Google is doing ?
Herpderp Defy.
They chose hardware, they chose Android, lol Motorola. And yeah, cry me a river that you have to actually put work into supporting your product. Google provides them with world-class OS and they complain that Google won't do all the work for them.
Yeah motorola now start crying like a kid pointing fingers at others when u are loosing in the market!
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it's indeed the same finger pointing strategy Motorola performs in this regard, as it finger points to vendors involving them in their 2011 announcement with the intention to only unlock "where carriers and operators will allow it".
- It's THEM who unable us to unlock our devices so the whole community can benfit.
- It's THEM who unables, slowens and or shortens us to update our software and keep happy customers.
Don't bite the hand that's go(ogle)ing to feed you, Motorola. I use a prepaid card on my Defy, so carrriers and operators are a non-issue to me. If you had unlocked the bootloader, you wouldn't have to make this statement and let the dev community handle your software to get the most out of your hardware (or, lol, hire them). Now THAT's a reason to unlock the bootloader. And now we've come to the sales pitch of tonight: It's free.
That excuse is bull****!
Motorola XOOM has updates quickly -> the CPU is a tegra 2
Motorola Razr -> Ti Omap, just like le G. Nexus
They're bullshitting, like they allways do.
How come asus, samsung and sony ericson update without complaints?
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I disagree with operator thingy...
Its true that they don't allow it...
But Then Motorola SHOULD drop them! Just like Google did!
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If they can't provide the new system...they have to unlock the bootloader so the devs do the hard work...and make the people happy...
On my defy...from ICS...yes!!! in your face Motorola!!!
So that means I'm wrong and Motorola are being a**holes about this.....
Herpderp Defy.
Motorola has the reputation online for being some assholes
And if they don't change the pase then they'll lose customers
But they've been bought over by Google.....right ?
Herpderp Defy.
EmoBoiix3 said:
But they've been bought over by Google.....right ?
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So? Isn't it obvious that Google (still) has no cooperation with Motorola? I think that the fact that "Google phones" are made by Samsung pretty much proves my point...
They didn't buy them yet, they're waiting for approval from antitrust institutions. USA gave them a green light but there's still no decision from EU.
Even after completion of the deal I doubt Moto will change much in forseeable future. Google just needed patents and they need time to figure out what to do with Moto and to implement those changes.
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Moto: no ICS is Google's fault.
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and no GB was whose fault moto?????
miscz said:
They didn't buy them yet, they're waiting for approval from antitrust institutions. USA gave them a green light but there's still no decision from EU.
Even after completion of the deal I doubt Moto will change much in forseeable future. Google just needed patents and they need time to figure out what to do with Moto and to implement those changes.
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TAKE-OVER IS APPROVED NOW
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17021933
Google is given clearance in the US and Europe to buy Motorola Mobility just a day ago
but what does this mean got Moto users?
will Defy+ get ICS?
Will the Bootloader get unlocked?
Approval from China, Taiwan and Israel is needed before the deal is completed. its still not completed, seems it needs approval from pretty much every market that sells mobile phones. and as for what it means to us, nothing. its already been said, google get samsung to make there phones, says it all
There's been a few articles on the topic of the new 4.4 security enhancements, and I'm concerned about the future of modding our devices, particularly given the fact that the LG OG Pro's bootloader is still locked, despite the Loki workaround.
What I figure will happen is that LG, like Samdung has already done, will shove the new "security" feature down our throats with the new updates (if they come) and in true Trojan horse fashion, most users who update won't realize that the combination bootloader+secured and SELinux enforcing kernel will block any and all root attempts, so no more mods, hacks, tweaks.
Game over.
What do you think?
To me, Google, Samdung, LG, et al. are doing what they think is best, but it harms what we like to do with our devices, and that's a bad thing, IMO.
So much for Open Source.
There's always a way. Fix / patch something, break something else.
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If it's run can be defeated
Well at Samsung galaxy note 3 thread already they found a way to hack selinux. I hope here they found a way for optimus g pro but as i see all devs are they abandon us.Shane ogp is a good device.
Somewhat unrelated but they thought the PS Vita was unhackable. Didn't take people that long to get some CFW out for it and that was on a totally different platform than the old PSPs lol. Android is still Android.
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Yes but remember my friend that ogp doesn't have so much support from the devs.
In my country, Spain , the crisis ( and political corruption ) has affected our citizens. That's why there are initiatives such as the collection of requests with signature and there are a portal dedicated to it.
The portal ww.change.org and I say here because one of the requests is that Samsung annular Knox :
I can not put links because I have written very little on this forum and xda requires a minimum but is easy to put knox into de box "Buscar" and search and is the first in the list
All the world know : "Unity is strength" .
This website has won several successes.
I apologize for my bad English, and also because the portal not translated into English and other languages.
I invite you to sign petition to revoke Samsung Knox ( You can use google.translate ) .... or even better , create a similar initiative in the U.S. That will be very much more stronger.
The union of America and Europe is very powerful and can give pause to Samsung
Thank you very much.
Is not spam:
change.org/es/peticiones/samsung-eliminar-el-sistema-knox-activado-recientemente-en-las-nuevas-actualizaciones-de-software-samsung-remove-the-knox-system-on-recently-in-new-software-updates-samsung-녹스-시스템을-제거합니다-최근에-새-소프트웨어-업데이트에서합니다#
Why would they? It's actually a very good security measure for those who need it (corporate users). I don't so I rooted my 8.4 and blew the eFuse in the process. I knew what I was doing and I didn't do it by accident. I will bear the consequences in case I need repairs :shrug:
Samsung Knox fuse has nothing to do with the hardware warranty. It simply shows if the tablet was modified in a way that can circumvent KNOX security apps. That way if you bring your tablet to your employer to use on their network, the sys admin can confirm if the tablet will be absolutely secure or not. Once you modify the tablet/phone, Knox software won't install/run because the device isn't considered secure anymore.
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And I'm sure a petition to remove security features post-Snowden would be well received. Especially when removing it is to provide warranty services to a small subset of people who want to screw around with the s/w on their devices.
BarryH_GEG said:
And I'm sure a petition to remove security features post-Snowden would be well received. Especially when removing it is to provide warranty services to a small subset of people who want to screw around with the s/w on their devices.
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Uffff, Snowden can not return to their country ....
I think all the manufacturers and sellers of premium tablets will soon acquire the closed Apple iPad style, and it will become increasingly difficult to have a good free terminal.
Samsung Knox is okay but is also an excellent excuse to avoid root (or loss of warranty). HDX Kindle is fantastic, but their system is closed. iPad closed. Root Sony Experia is hard to do ..... I wish this were not so, but ....
the reality is Edward should take shelter in a less democratic country, because they can not return to their country, which we all know is an example of democracy and transparency ... but do not talk politics.
I thank the programmers that allow me to root my tablet, even if I lose the warranty
and I will join to Samsung petition through change.org ... and little more (or maybe next time I will buy from another manufacturer more open)
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If you want your warranty, don't root.
Simple as that.
kieroseno said:
I think all the manufacturers and sellers of premium tablets will soon acquire the closed Apple iPad style, and it will become increasingly difficult to have a good free terminal.
Samsung Knox is okay but is also an excellent excuse to avoid root (or loss of warranty). HDX Kindle is fantastic, but their system is closed. iPad closed. Root Sony Experia is hard to do ..... I wish this were not so, but ....
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Knox doesn't stop anything. You can still root and install custom recovery; it's just that it is permanently recorded
I did not express myself well, I apologize for my bad English.
Knox does not prevent root but ... voids the warranty if root. With previous tablets we had TriangleAway thanks to Chainfire, but now Samsung has left unusable TA. This reminds me of updates to iOS that prevent jailbreak, but still is not the same .... today ..... but I think is the same way in the future.
Yesterday: you can make root
Today: if you root, you lose your warranty.
Tomorrow: impossible to root?
Does this seem right to most? Then ... nothing more to say
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