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[Q] Getting terrible data speeds and want to switch.

For the past few months i have been receiving terrible data speed on my 3g connection as well as failed sent text messages. Also with all of the 4G fees, I have 3 lines as well as the fee of having a third line, switching to verizon will be the same cost as i am already paying.
I've decide I officially wanted to switch after seeing the lte speed on verizon. I understand they will drop once the towers get populated but i'm sure it can't get worse than what i'm dealing with. I know you can change the prl to roam on verizon and eventually have my contract terminated.
I know this might be wrong but how i've been treated by sprint has been wrong as well. I would like to escape etf charges, and sell my 2 evos and 1 evo shift and get the thunderbolt. Thanks.

redsoxfan320 said:
For the past few months i have been receiving terrible data speed on my 3g connection as well as failed sent text messages. Also with all of the 4G fees, I have 3 lines as well as the fee of having a third line, switching to verizon will be the same cost as i am already paying.
I've decide I officially wanted to switch after seeing the lte speed on verizon. I understand they will drop once the towers get populated but i'm sure it can't get worse than what i'm dealing with. I know you can change the prl to roam on verizon and eventually have my contract terminated.
I know this might be wrong but how i've been treated by sprint has been wrong as well. I would like to escape etf charges, and sell my 2 evos and 1 evo shift and get the thunderbolt. Thanks.
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I can respect that you want to leave but instead of abusing the system with PRLs just call them and explain the issue [no doubt you've called and complained about the speeds multiple times].
They are required, with the contract, to give you a certain level of data speeds.
You're not getting them therefore they are violating your contract agreement.

redsoxfan320 said:
For the past few months i have been receiving terrible data speed on my 3g connection as well as failed sent text messages. Also with all of the 4G fees, I have 3 lines as well as the fee of having a third line, switching to verizon will be the same cost as i am already paying.
I've decide I officially wanted to switch after seeing the lte speed on verizon. I understand they will drop once the towers get populated but i'm sure it can't get worse than what i'm dealing with. I know you can change the prl to roam on verizon and eventually have my contract terminated.
I know this might be wrong but how i've been treated by sprint has been wrong as well. I would like to escape etf charges, and sell my 2 evos and 1 evo shift and get the thunderbolt. Thanks.
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I'm sorry I thought I read same price? You mean $179.98 vs
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That's $50 more a month without Navigation or even detailed billing (for the sake of arguments and keeping things simple)
But, if you want out of your ETF your best bet is to call Sprint and have them check your area, how long your towers been down or being worked on and ask to be let go. Don't ruin it for everyone by doing a PRL hack.

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I'm sorry I thought I read same price? You mean $179.98 vs
That's $50 more a month without Navigation or even detailed billing (for the sake of arguments and keeping things simple)
But, if you want out of your ETF your best bet is to call Sprint and have them check your area, how long your towers been down or being worked on and ask to be let go. Don't ruin it for everyone by doing a PRL hack.
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Okay, I won't do the prl hack. I called them friday to complain and they are sending me a airwave, which no matter how well it works doesn't help me, when i have wifi at home. I will call the day I get it and complain again and demand to be canceled. When they give you cancelation without etf is it automatic or do I have time to go to verizon literally and sign a contract.
Also I dont know where you got that price from. Right now I am on the family data plan which is 139.99, this gives me 1400 but with mobile to mobile we barely use 500 any given month. The 4G is another $30 and the third line is $20. Thats 189.99 for crappy service.
On verizon, I only plan on getting the 700 minute plan with texting which is $99.99 plus data for 3 phones is 90, making it 189.99 for the current super fast lte, which by the way is availible in my area unlike the 4g i've been paying months for.
Also I realize I should have stated that i only need 700 minutes. Another question, any chance you know the terms of sprints unlimited mobile to mobile compared to verizons.

redsoxfan320 said:
Okay, I won't do the prl hack. I called them friday to complain and they are sending me a airwave, which no matter how well it works doesn't help me, when i have wifi at home. I will call the day I get it and complain again and demand to be canceled. When they give you cancelation without etf is it automatic or do I have time to go to verizon literally and sign a contract.
Also I dont know where you got that price from. Right now I am on the family data plan which is 139.99, this gives me 1400 but with mobile to mobile we barely use 500 any given month. The 4G is another $30 and the third line is $20. Thats 189.99 for crappy service.
On verizon, I only plan on getting the 700 minute plan with texting which is $99.99 plus data for 3 phones is 90, making it 189.99 for the current super fast lte, which by the way is availible in my area unlike the 4g i've been paying months for.
Also I realize I should have stated that i only need 700 minutes. Another question, any chance you know the terms of sprints unlimited mobile to mobile compared to verizons.
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When I was with Verizon, they didn't have true mobile to mobile. It was only Verizon to Verizon. If you talked to a mobile number on a different network, you got charged minutes. Also, Verizon's free nights start at 9pm, sprint is 7pm.
I'm not sure if Verizon has changed their mobile to mobile policies, but it was less than a year ago that I was with them.
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redsoxfan320 said:
Okay, I won't do the prl hack. I called them friday to complain and they are sending me a airwave, which no matter how well it works doesn't help me, when i have wifi at home. I will call the day I get it and complain again and demand to be canceled. When they give you cancelation without etf is it automatic or do I have time to go to verizon literally and sign a contract.
Also I dont know where you got that price from. Right now I am on the family data plan which is 139.99, this gives me 1400 but with mobile to mobile we barely use 500 any given month. The 4G is another $30 and the third line is $20. Thats 189.99 for crappy service.
On verizon, I only plan on getting the 700 minute plan with texting which is $99.99 plus data for 3 phones is 90, making it 189.99 for the current super fast lte, which by the way is availible in my area unlike the 4g i've been paying months for.
Also I realize I should have stated that i only need 700 minutes. Another question, any chance you know the terms of sprints unlimited mobile to mobile compared to verizons.
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That price was their 1400 minute plan, remember they don't have unlimited calling to all mobile phones in america, only Verizon and their nights don't start at 7pm. All that aside, tell them you will be porting, speeds are horrible, ask can ETF be waived since you're porting.

That's simple...with Sprint you get unlimited calling to any mobile number on any carrier. On Verizon you will get unlimited calling only to other Verizon customers. Calls to people on any other carrier will come out of your minutes.
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kd0axs said:
That's simple...with Sprint you get unlimited calling to any mobile number on any carrier. On Verizon you will get unlimited calling only to other Verizon customers. Calls to people on any other carrier will come out of your minutes.
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If you have a Google Voice number or don't plan on porting your current number, you should look to see if you can get a plan that has Verizon's friends & family feature. It allows you to get unlimited calling to 5 numbers, if you use your Google Voice number on one of the those lines, you'll get unlimited calling to any number when calling though Google Voice.

kd0axs said:
That's simple...with Sprint you get unlimited calling to any mobile number on any carrier. On Verizon you will get unlimited calling only to other Verizon customers. Calls to people on any other carrier will come out of your minutes.
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This I actually will need the 1400 minute plan then. Do they provide any good business discounts, or could I possibly find out what discount I would receive before signing up.

redsoxfan320 said:
This I actually will need the 1400 minute plan then. Do they provide any good business discounts, or could I possibly find out what discount I would receive before signing up.
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Give them a call and have them check. At this point now you're at my price

DirtyShroomz said:
Give them a call and have them check. At this point now you're at my price
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actually its $209, I believe but i may be wrong...

Highest data usagr in sprint u have seen?

The topic pretty much says it all. What is the moat outragous data usage you have used or that you have seen some one use? Just for sh! t's and giggles i would like to see some screen shots of the most outrageous data usage ever recorded. You think any one has a screen shot of using over 60gb? Well i would like to find out if any one has stomped the 100gb's in a month barrrier! Thanks guys and girls for entertaining me on a tuesday morning

Its impossible in Toledo. 3g speeds < dial IP and no 4g. When I'm in Cleveland next month I'm going to go crazy to make up for sprints inferiority. (Speeds are fast 1+mbit/s 3g and 10+ 4g there)
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Isn't it not allowed for you to reach that high on Sprint? I am not sure I am still on T-Mobile but plan on switching to Sprint today in a few hours as well as getting this phone. I just want to make sure... we can tether and our data is UNLIMITED with no throttling/slowdown speeds after a certain amount of GB used right? Because I also saw they offer a 5GB hotspot package... I use my phone for tethering/hot spot for my xbox live.
(Sorry for hi-jacking) your thread btw.. most I've seen was 5GB used, so this kind of took my by surprise.

well it depends were you live really, the 3G speeds suck atleast for me i dont reach 1mb down and in 4G it depends were you are as well i have gotten as much as 15 mb down and i live in Austin TX

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Good Lord... I don't see how NORMAL use can end up sucking up that much data.
Sure, if you're watching Netflix for 6 hours a day... But why anyone would prefer watching movies on a PHONE on a daily basis is beyond me.
Are you people torrenting or something?

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You're part of the reason why Sprint will end unlimited data plans, it's only a matter of time.

I've done 15-20gb a month for a few months on end, no tethering. Lots of streaming while surfing and/or downloads. Also big on remote desktop and vpn for remote media consumption at work...
... Now that it's all been moved to my work computer I average 4-7gb.
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hayabusa1300cc said:
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wtf were you doing????!!!?!?!?!?

rican408 said:
wtf were you doing????!!!?!?!?!?
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Porn.
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spencer88 said:
You're part of the reason why Sprint will end unlimited data plans, it's only a matter of time.
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For using the unlimited data, which he pays for, in an unlimited manner?
My first modem was 1200 baud. 120 characters per second. That was over 20 years ago.
My point? Data consumption only goes up. Power users are always bumping into the limits of the technology. That seems unreal now, but, so didn't a 9600 baud modem at one point. In a few years grandmothers will routinely hit 50gb a month.
The carriers won't get any of my sympathy until the spectrum is literally saturated....a limitation of physics.
So carriers are allowed to sell unlimited service that isn't actually unlimited, over sell their under provisioned bandwidth... All measures of an intangible product of which there is no limit.... There is peak oil but no "peak data" (inb4 heat death of universe/2)... And these are the "good guys" in this game..... Over selling and under-providing an unlimited resource (as unlimited, but not really...?) that is guaranteed to only be consumed in an infinitely increasing manner at an exponential rate and HE is the bad guy!?
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Ever wonder how much it actually cost the provider for all this data? Maybe it's next to nothing and it's all one big propaganda. I find it hard to believe AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile is non profitable if they don't limit bandwidth. It's just how they use to charge an arm and leg for sms. I really think it comes down to how times are changing carriers use to bill/make money for talk time, then there's a big shift to sms, so they try to bill for sms. Now big money is on data. I mean ok it's wireless data but in the end the tower is still connected to a landline. So my home internet I'm free to have unlimited for $50 a month on FIOS let's say, and it's ok that I use 100GB/month easy so why not on a cell phone that I'm paying an equivalent for if not more. Even comcast internet has a 250GB cap and their monthly charge is like what 29.99, so how come a wireless data package isn't offering an equivalent? So it goes thru the tower then data is just through a land connection afterwards.

spencer88 said:
You're part of the reason why Sprint will end unlimited data plans, it's only a matter of time.
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Blah blah blah cry my a fkn river goodie two shoes.. For instance this is at least 2 or 3 bills together cause I'm behind first off. So everything is stacked. Actual month is not nearly that high. And second, I pay for my unlimited data and tethering plan. So fk off..
I know there are people far using more data than even what I have pictured whether or not tethering.
We all have it on our plans, you worry about how you use your phone, not mine.
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hayabusa1300cc said:
Blah blah blah cry my a fkn river goodie two shoes.. For instance this is at least 2 or 3 bills together cause I'm behind first off. So everything is stacked. Actual month is not nearly that high. And second, I pay for my unlimited data and tethering plan. So fk off..
I know there are people far using more data than even what I have pictured whether or not tethering.
We all have it on our plans, you worry about how you use your phone, not mine.
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Wait, so having unlimited data isn't really unlimited? I ask this because my previous post was kinda ignored and you here mention that your paying for tethering plan?

Yes you have to pay for tethering unless you root.
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mikel719 said:
Yes you have to pay for tethering unless you root.
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Ah, alright I plan to root anyways. Ok I was just worried that switching from tmobile to sprint would of been a fail on my part. :S thanks!

G1-evolve said:
Wait, so having unlimited data isn't really unlimited? I ask this because my previous post was kinda ignored and you here mention that your paying for tethering plan?
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Sorry, yes having unlimited is unlimited using data on the phone.
Using the paid hotspot app it is not unlimited.
Root and wifi teether is unlimited because data usage registers as on device usage.
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spencer88 said:
You're part of the reason why Sprint will end unlimited data plans, it's only a matter of time.
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Then switch carriers, your money is your vote not your whining
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LoveisPeace2012 said:
Then switch carriers, your money is your vote not your whining
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That doesn't make sense.
He should switch carriers because customers abuse the system?
Huh?

I dont know how to post a picture of the usage from my sprint account page.
But anyways, last month I moved into my apartment where I didnt have internet yet (Comcast) so I was using my Sprint connection for the whole month.
For that month October - November I did
3G Data - 6 GB
4G Data - 47 GB
That data was from tether to XBox Live - Tethering to PC
The 3G Data was when I was mobile such as at work ect when then I was downloading music and movies at work to my phone and then copy over to my pc to watch ect...
So 53 GB total for that month...
PS: From looking at my signature you can see that I had the bandwidth in my area to achieve that. 10Mbps is about 1MB/s

Sprint To Make Buyout Offer For T-Mobile

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A new report has surfaced this afternoon stating that AT&T isn’t the only one who wants T-Mobile and its millions of customers. We’re hearing Sprint is preparing a bid to buyout T-Mobile USA, which would be a big move to compete with the other main US carriers.
According to the Wall Street Journal nothing is final yet, but Sprint is in the final stages of preparing an offer for the buyout, which of course will need to seek approval before ever completing. Sprint was recently bought by Japanese carrier Softbank, who is now aiming to snatch up T-Mobile too and compete directly with Verizon and AT&T. This could be a major change that would shake up the mobile industry here in the US, and one worth keeping an eye on.
This isn’t the first time a company is going after T-Mobile. As we all know AT&T tried to do the same a few years ago and failed, as FCC regulators shut down the acquisition. If the deal ever gets approved it would leave the US with only three major wireless carriers, and instantly put Sprint front and center as one of the biggest carriers in the USA. Now only if their speed and network was anywhere near as good as Verizon, then we’d actually have something to talk about.
The WSJ states that Sprint is busy studying the approval and regulatory concerns before taking this huge bid any further, but if all goes as planned we could see Sprint launch the buyout attempt early next year. The deal is being reported in the ballpark of roughly $20 billion, depending on the size or percentage of the buyout.
T-Mobile’s parent company Deutsche Telekom reportedly wants out of the US market, and is willing to let go of its share of T-Mobile USA, which is around 67%. So that’s where the unsure number above actually stems from. AT&T’s effort was worth roughly $39 billion for the entire company, so we’ll have to wait and see exactly what Sprint and T-Mobile actually have planned for the $20 billion being reported.
Even if these efforts are successful and a buyout gets completed, the combination of Sprint and T-Mobile’s post-paid subscribers would be around 53 million, which is a lot, but Verizon has the lead at almost 100 million, and AT&T is sitting in an easy second with 75 million post-paid subscribers.

I hope it doesn't go through. I hate sprint. Nothing they do goes smoothly.
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Atleast they don't throttle data speeds..
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It's not going to happen. T-Mobile wouldn't sell out, especially after their new 'uncarrier' plan which is working well.
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Wouldn't be a bad move if Sprint switches to GSM after the buyout. If they try to foce CDMA on T-Mobile **** them.

Heck to bleep no. Sprint is awful, Tmobile is making waves now and will beat Sprint shortly

Bangincrazy said:
Heck to bleep no. Sprint is awful, Tmobile is making waves now and will beat Sprint shortly
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Sprint is only awful because of their **** download speeds and because they are cdma. If they switched over to gsm and gained access to the T-Mobile network, it probably would only help both companies honestly. They need to get rid of Hesse and make T-Mobile's guy the CEO though.

xdapowerapps said:
Atleast they don't throttle data speeds..
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T-Mobile doesn't throttle mine.. not even if I use 15gb a month.... You must have the el cheapo plan
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jbreeze228 said:
T-Mobile doesn't throttle mine.. not even if I use 15gb a month.... You must have the el cheapo plan
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Nah, I have unlimited text and data on 3 of my lines. But after the first 4.5GB, it slows down. :crying: It's alright, I barely use my data when I have wifi available.

xdapowerapps said:
Nah, I have unlimited text and data on 3 of my lines. But after the first 4.5GB, it slows down. :crying: It's alright, I barely use my data when I have wifi available.
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I have the "Truly Unlimited Data" with the free 2.5gb tether for $20 a month. I highly doubt the DOJ will allow this offer to go through. And there only offering half of what AT&T did. But if it did go through... then goodbye T-Mobile from a customer of over 10 years.
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jbreeze228 said:
I have the "Truly Unlimited Data" with the free 2.5gb tether for $20 a month. I highly doubt the DOJ will allow this offer to go through. And there only offering half of what AT&T did. But if it did go through... then goodbye T-Mobile from a customer of over 10 years.
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The FCC will shut it down for oligopolistic reasons. I doubt they will allow three carriers to control the wireless infrastructure, it's bad enough as it is now. Personally, I hope it doesn't go through.

jbreeze228 said:
I have the "Truly Unlimited Data" with the free 2.5gb tether for $20 a month. I highly doubt the DOJ will allow this offer to go through. And there only offering half of what AT&T did. But if it did go through... then goodbye T-Mobile from a customer of over 10 years.
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AT&T offered 39 billion yes, but that was for 100% of the stock. Sprint is offering 20 billion but didn't disclose for how much of a percentage.

Source link?
Also, I really hope it doesn't go through. I like being able to make phone calls inside buildings.

xdapowerapps said:
Atleast they don't throttle data speeds..
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Sprint doesn't throttle data speeds because they don't even have enough speed to throttle. I highly doubt this will happen. Shocked sprint even has enough to buy T-Mobile.
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all I want to say is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

elesbb said:
Sprint doesn't throttle data speeds because they don't even have enough speed to throttle. I highly doubt this will happen. Shocked sprint even has enough to buy T-Mobile.
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I must admit, I laughed harder at that than I should have.

xdapowerapps said:
The FCC will shut it down for oligopolistic reasons. I doubt they will allow three carriers to control the wireless infrastructure, it's bad enough as it is now. Personally, I hope it doesn't go through.
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This.
If the feds didn't let AT&T buy T Mobile why would they suddenly let Sprint do it?
And if they did AT&T would have a pretty firm case to keep this bogged down in the courts for years to come by claiming biased and uneven rulings by the feds that cost AT&T $3 BILLION due to thier "If the deal doesn't go through clause".
AT&T could demolish Sprint just by making their stock too volitile to touch due to the unsure nature of the merger that AT&T would tie up for years.

i left you for a reason sprint, everything you touch goes horribly wrong unlimited data doesnt mean squat if you cant use it. though i wouldnt mind t-mobile getting another chunk of cash for the deal not going through. would help them buy spectrum they want and benefits all of us

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Atleast they don't throttle data speeds..
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Why would they? Their "4G" was worse than some of my EDGE speeds. If they throttled at 4GB your bill would cycle before you hit 3.5
Sprint can blow a fat one. When/if you get a signal long enough to call their customer service - good luck getting anything accomplished. BTW, I live in their home city and I constantly roamed. WiMax gave me a massive 2-7 Mbps on a clear day with a full signal. They sucked so bad that I can't think of another way to say how badly they sucked unicorn d*** and gobbled up the balls without missing a beat.
xdapowerapps said:
Nah, I have unlimited text and data on 3 of my lines. But after the first 4.5GB, it slows down. :crying: It's alright, I barely use my data when I have wifi available.
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???... I have unlimited data and never get throttled. I think most of their data plans are unlimited - but only xGB are at full speed - except the unlimited plan. I've been over 10GB just in my line and didn't get throttled (moved, was waiting on my ISP). You might want to double check which plan you have then call customer service.
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I think the FCC didnt permit the ATT/T-Mobile deal to go through is because AT&T is quite large to begin with. It would have basically created a market with only TWO national carriers and price fixing rather than a fair competitive market.
The FCC has since allowed Sprint to acquire Clearwater and T-Mobile to acquire MetroPCS. This deal (although slightly larger) still would leave Sprint in 3rd place and 50% behind ATT. The other carriers couldnt object as they did before.
Still it would be bad for business allowing just 3 carriers here. Canada has 3 and is looking to add a forth. Would surely mean hefty price increases to us to help pay for the deal.

T-Mobile Data De-Prioritization

Anyone else have unlimited data and now are getting De-prioritized (throttled) ?
I use easily 20gb a month for the past year and never had this issue
Im getting 300 + ms pings and 0.20 mbps and lower speeds
Certain times of the day ill get 30mbps but most of the time its being throttled
Apparently I'm in the top 3% of data users
Tried making an IPV4 apn but still getting throttled
any one know of a work around?

It's possible that you're in a congested cell, and not throttled. Have you tried moving geographically to see if that helps?
Throttling is implemented on the PCEF (Policy and Charging Enforcement Function), and it's a QoS policy pushed by the PCRF (Policy and Charging Rules Function) onto the PDN-Gateway. There is no workaround for unlimited users that might get throttled for network abuse, other than wait for your bill cycle reset, or use Wi-Fi. In other words, you can't "top off" an unlimited plan, at least I don't think you can.
My advice is that if you're paying for unlimited data, and you feel like you're unjustly throttled, I would call customer support. They can check your data usage and typically tell if you're flagged as a "heavy hitter" or not. If you complain loudly enough, they can (and will) remove the block, but your mileage may vary. If they resist, tell them you plan to tweet to John Legere, and they'll hook you right up.
For what it's worth, I used to work as a PCRF/PCEF systems engineer. We had a "heavy data user" policy, but in our case it was only people that went over 200 GB or something ridiculous like that. If I recall correctly, roughly 20 GB/month was more or less average for an unlimited data subscriber, although I'm sure usage patterns vary from carrier to carrier, as well as implementation details on the PCC policies. Also, I believe our policy was to remove any throttling for unlimited users, no questions asked if they called to complain.
I know T-Mobile uses NSN (Nokia) for their policy vendor, but I don't know any details about their actual policies, at least not any more.
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Also, just to be clear--I don't know if T-Mobile even throttles "heavy hitter" data users. I know it's been done, but I am not a T-Mobile employee and have no idea what their current policies are.
I would think that if they did implement QoS, the policy would not be time-based. However, anything is possible, which is why I would just call customer service.

If your in a heavy cell site then you might be throttled or just congested really bad. Call 611 and ask tmo if your line is being throttled. I average about 40gb's a month for the past 6 months on unlimited LTE plan and have never been throttled yet.

TMO throttles based on the plan that you have. Recently a Reddit thread came up where the customer filed a complaint with John Legere's office and was told that all unlimited data users will be de-prioritized and eventually removed from their system if they disagreed with the policy. De-prioritization has a chance to "kick in" after the 5 gig mark for unlimited data plans, but completely dependent on the market and how busy the network actually is. At least now if you are actually de-prioritized, you can call customer service and they would be able to tell you if the account is flagged. A few years ago, users would just wonder what's wrong with their accounts.
The bad thing about being throttled is that the OOKLA app on the market will not reflect the throttling, since TMO said they will not count data when it comes to that specific speed app, as well as many of the apps that you stream music off of.
Hope this helps.

I believe the new net neutrality law disallows throttling now, unless you're in violation of the terms of agreement based on what you're using the data for.

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I believe the new net neutrality law disallows throttling now, unless you're in violation of the terms of agreement based on what you're using the data for.
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It's not 'throttling' if the says it's de-prioritization, right? Just a play on words really.

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It's not 'throttling' if the says it's de-prioritization, right? Just a play on words really.
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Yeah I guess so. Gotta love verbage. I am at 29gbs of data so far this month and I'm still hitting about 75megs down and about 25 up.. Just for the ops information..

Swizzle82 said:
Yeah I guess so. Gotta love verbage. I am at 29gbs of data so far this month and I'm still hitting about 75megs down and about 25 up.. Just for the ops information..
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Exactly.
I'm on the $5 BTV data plan with TMO and regularly use about 50 gigs and still get full LTE speeds with no throttling. I love my plan, and would never even consider changing to other carriers. I mean, which other carrier gives unlimited LTE for $5 a month, right?

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Exactly.
I'm on the $5 BTV data plan with TMO and regularly use about 50 gigs and still get full LTE speeds with no throttling. I love my plan, and would never even consider changing to other carriers. I mean, which other carrier gives unlimited LTE for $5 a month, right?
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BTV? Ive got 4 for $100 with two lines increased to unlimited and 5gbs plus unlimited text on my tablet totalling about $160/mo. I get anywhere from 35-110megs depending on the time of day and my location. I really can't complain.

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BTV? Ive got 4 for $100 with two lines increased to unlimited and 5gbs plus unlimited text on my tablet totalling about $160/mo. I get anywhere from 35-110megs depending on the time of day and my location. I really can't complain.
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BTV is basically the unlimited Android data plan that used to be $30 to new users, or $20 for current but grandfathered users - with an additional $15 discount, making it $5.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mo...p-migrate-customers-over-to-value-rate-plans/
I'm on a 600 minute (no overages now, so minutes don't matter) family plan with two lines for $49.99 with a $10 unlimited family texting and BTV data with a corp discount of 15% and a loyalty bonus of $10 discount per month. The bill totals out to be $90.45 after taxes with a $25/mo payment plan on the G4.

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BTV is basically the unlimited Android data plan that used to be $30 to new users, or $20 for current but grandfathered users - with an additional $15 discount, making it $5.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mo...p-migrate-customers-over-to-value-rate-plans/
I'm on a 600 minute (no overages now, so minutes don't matter) family plan with two lines for $49.99 with a $10 unlimited family texting and BTV data with a corp discount of 15% and a loyalty bonus of $10 discount per month. The bill totals out to be $90.45 after taxes with a $25/mo payment plan on the G4.
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Damn yo.. How long you been with TMo? Lol. I Tried to use my work discount, but they had told me that I couldn't because I already got a discounted plan. This was a while back though, might have to try again.

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Damn yo.. How long you been with TMo? Lol. I Tried to use my work discount, but they had told me that I couldn't because I already got a discounted plan. This was a while back though, might have to try again.
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On and off? 10 or so years. If you are interested, check out the discounted plans on howardforums.com - they have the SOC codes that you can provide to CSR to get on these plans.

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TMO throttles based on the plan that you have. Recently a Reddit thread came up where the customer filed a complaint with John Legere's office and was told that all unlimited data users will be de-prioritized and eventually removed from their system if they disagreed with the policy. De-prioritization has a chance to "kick in" after the 5 gig mark for unlimited data plans, but completely dependent on the market and how busy the network actually is. At least now if you are actually de-prioritized, you can call customer service and they would be able to tell you if the account is flagged. A few years ago, users would just wonder what's wrong with their accounts.
The bad thing about being throttled is that the OOKLA app on the market will not reflect the throttling, since TMO said they will not count data when it comes to that specific speed app, as well as many of the apps that you stream music off of.
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Thanks for the tip about the Reddit thread. I think I found it here: http://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/342wr7/tmobile_is_now_throttling_unlimited_data/
If you put yourself into T-Mobile's shoes, how SHOULD they handle congestion? They can do what they can with existing spectrum and tower agreements, but if there IS congestion, how do you handle it?
I don't necessarily agree or disagree with the official stance, but I do understand where they're coming from. The mindset is that you, the heavy data customer, can and SHOULD accept some modest degradation in performance, especially since you're on the edge of the bell curve in data usage. If there's contention, should you suffer, or should the casual data user suffer? They choose to slightly punish the 3%, rather than the average Joes whose usage is more normal.
As I said in a previous comment, I had to deal with this when I worked as a systems engineer for a certain carrier. We put policies in place to throttle users over some ridiculously high amount, and we also sent them an SMS notification when we did so. In that case, we were looking for the REALLY heavy users, that were in the top 0.5%. The average unlimited subscriber used 10-20 GB per month, but these people were using well over 100 GB. The intent of unlimited is to avoid surprises with billing, not to provide wireless Internet service for your whole dorm or apartment complex or whatever.
Think about unlimited wireless in terms of your local all-you-can-eat buffet restaurant. Most people pay their money and eat their meal, ranging from a modest portion to a massive portion, but at some point everyone gets full. What is NOT acceptable is to sit in the restaurant from open to close, constantly gorging yourself on food. It's not an exact analogy since you can't get "full" consuming data, but you can get the idea.
Carrying the "all you can eat" restaurant analogy a little further...if you're in a buffet restaurant, and they run low on something, should they keep serving the guy that is on his twentieth portion? Or should they cut him off and let the people who have had ANY of the food eat first?
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Totally agree with you that people who are using extremely high data, typically people 100 GB and above, needs to be checked. Often times these people are using their data plans for hacked/tethering at home, which the connection is also shared with other users. A lot of times, the high data is due to downloading/torrenting.
While I'm a heavy user myself (since TMO considers anyone over 5 GB a month as heavy users), watching youtube in 1440P really eats up data very quickly. At one point in my life, I had a really crappy home internet plan and just watched Netflix off my phone nonstop. This eventually led up to about 150GB for the month.
The buffet analogy is great, but it really does show the difference between being a company and being a consumer. If the consumer's desire for the buffet is to have 100 oysters and nothing else and your company wants to stop him because he's having too much, but his sole purpose there is for the oysters - you're really telling him, "No, we don't want to service you again." This makes things sour with their customers real quick. Basically what it comes down to in the consumers eyes is, "If you can't afford to do it, then don't run the program. " De-prioritization controls the person eating 100 oysters to allow the next guy to have some oysters too, but that's not why he came to this buffet.
It's a very difficult place to be, and just like voting on taxes - no one really wins. Money has to come out from somewhere. If TMO increases their bandwidth, then there will be additional fees. We don't want to be like Sprint where they charge you an additional $10 or $15 just because you have a "smartphone." That makes absolutely no sense.

Yes sir!!! Im with you OP. I used to have unlimited 4g data in my plan for additional $30. But since last 10 months or so it's been bad. I would use roughly 30 to 40 gigs a month. Mostly youtube and netflix. Then after "de prioritization" or being in area of "data congestion" ( which in simple words means "throttling" imo ) i started getting about 20 gigs on high speed and after that i would be stuck with 0.1 to 0.2 mbps.
Called tmo a million times and they would always tell me that i might be connected to a tower where a lot others are connected. WHAT ?? WTF?? Why is it that i get connected to THAT tower 2 weeks after new cycle when i have used about 20 gigs? Why not in 1 week or after uaing about 5 or 10 gigs? I would be always in my room in the same spot all the time. It was all BS.
And the reps would always tell me that since im paying for unlimited high speed data i shouldn't be slowed down until one day when one of the reps mentioned being slow if im in the top 3%. Thats when i decided to let it go. I posted screen shots of slow speeds on on social media and ranted them and all that bad stuff just to let my anger out. That it really is UNLIMITED but its not UNLIMITED 4G. After certain usage you'll be stuck with 128KBPS speeds.
I was really upset with that. I cancelled that extra data plan. Saved me $30 a month and soon I'll be switching over to something else.
Well played tmo..

The magic number is updated quarterly. Right now if you go over 21GB in a congested area, you could be prioritized and slowed down.
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Here is the TRUTH! T-mobile is THROTTLING and calling in DE PRIORITIZING to protect the company's ass from an FCC lawsuit. At 21 gigs data speed dies. They say it is during busy times, blah, blah blah, but the reality is, it dies. The problem is that when the unlimited HIGH SPEED DATA users changed to this plan, there were no limits and were advertised as such, "UNLIMITED LTE HIGH SPEED DATA." The ads were on TV 24/7 three years ago. T-mobile got exactly what they set out to do, sign up millions of new customers. Those that try to see T-mobile's SIDE sound like this is an innocent mistake. That T-mobile had no idea what they were doing when they created this data plan and the network would not be able to handle the load. The TRUTH is, at least in my experience, the system had NO issues. It worked unbelievable well and NOT the typical T-mobile inconsistent signal. So, here's the deal, if you purchase something that is clearly stated, "THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, UNLIMITED LTE 4G HIGH SPEED DATA," and the company decides they don't want to do that anymore, why aren't the customers compensated? Lower the rate of the plan since 21 gigs is what you are paying for, NOT UNLIMITED. Also, ATT got sued and lost a 100 million dollar law suit for throttling its unlimited data customers. It is only a matter of time before T-mobile is in front of a judge. Bait and switch is still against the law. Calling something a NEW made up word like DE PRIORITIZING does not change the fact customers are being throttled.

The new magic number is 25GB.
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Salvatoreascend said:
Here is the TRUTH! T-mobile is THROTTLING and calling in DE PRIORITIZING to protect the company's ass from an FCC lawsuit. At 21 gigs data speed dies. They say it is during busy times, blah, blah blah, but the reality is, it dies. The problem is that when the unlimited HIGH SPEED DATA users changed to this plan, there were no limits and were advertised as such, "UNLIMITED LTE HIGH SPEED DATA." The ads were on TV 24/7 three years ago. T-mobile got exactly what they set out to do, sign up millions of new customers. Those that try to see T-mobile's SIDE sound like this is an innocent mistake. That T-mobile had no idea what they were doing when they created this data plan and the network would not be able to handle the load. The TRUTH is, at least in my experience, the system had NO issues. It worked unbelievable well and NOT the typical T-mobile inconsistent signal. So, here's the deal, if you purchase something that is clearly stated, "THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, UNLIMITED LTE 4G HIGH SPEED DATA," and the company decides they don't want to do that anymore, why aren't the customers compensated? Lower the rate of the plan since 21 gigs is what you are paying for, NOT UNLIMITED. Also, ATT got sued and lost a 100 million dollar law suit for throttling its unlimited data customers. It is only a matter of time before T-mobile is in front of a judge. Bait and switch is still against the law. Calling something a NEW made up word like DE PRIORITIZING does not change the fact customers are being throttled.
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Yep... soon as I hit 21 gigs I get throttled to Dial up speed. I can no longer use video chat with my wife who is overseas. I can't even stream 144p without it buffering.
I average 30-50 gigs per month. When I was on metro I had zero issues. When I switched to this unlimited plan with Tmobile, I had no issues. only 1 time have I ever gone over the 100 gig mark. That was 2 years ago in december, when I was unemployed and reformatted my computer. I used my mobile for all my downloads. the past year has been just streaming music, and videos, and google hangout video chats with my wife.
Right now I can't do anything on my data. it's so slow the speedtest says "network issues" most of the time. Although Ping is 30ms.. and this is regardless of the time of day. even 3-4-5am when the towers are hardly used. low ping (faster ping than comcast), but ridiculous slow speed. and I pay $70 per month for this BS...
I'm contacting some attorneys and seeking to file a class action for violation of net neutrality. And I'm going back to metro (same towers, but I was never throttled and had really fast 4G LTE with Metro. it was faster than my buddies sprint service in my area.
Anyone with an unlimited Tmobile plan that wants to join in a class action PM me.

cocokasper said:
Yep... soon as I hit 21 gigs I get throttled to Dial up speed. I can no longer use video chat with my wife who is overseas. I can't even stream 144p without it buffering.
I average 30-50 gigs per month. When I was on metro I had zero issues. When I switched to this unlimited plan with Tmobile, I had no issues. only 1 time have I ever gone over the 100 gig mark. That was 2 years ago in december, when I was unemployed and reformatted my computer. I used my mobile for all my downloads. the past year has been just streaming music, and videos, and google hangout video chats with my wife.
Right now I can't do anything on my data. it's so slow the speedtest says "network issues" most of the time. Although Ping is 30ms.. and this is regardless of the time of day. even 3-4-5am when the towers are hardly used. low ping (faster ping than comcast), but ridiculous slow speed. and I pay $70 per month for this BS...
I'm contacting some attorneys and seeking to file a class action for violation of net neutrality. And I'm going back to metro (same towers, but I was never throttled and had really fast 4G LTE with Metro. it was faster than my buddies sprint service in my area.
Anyone with an unlimited Tmobile plan that wants to join in a class action PM me.
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Try switching to hspa first. This seems to help me when that happens.

T-Mobile and the Unlimited Limit

Well, I was fiddling around with that WiFi hotspot stuff, and USB tethering and went over my limit. On my account page it was all fine except for the mobile hotspot usage which is limited to a default of 7gb on my plan. Then a couple days later I see that my regular mobile data has hit its limit. Perplexed as I am on an unlimited mobile data plan, i checked out my speeds and saw I am limited (i've been getting some slow downs). I said WHOAH when i saw this and thought it would be interesting to share. :laugh:
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Isn't this part of T-Mobile's promotion? Unlimited data for all existing Simple Choice customers for 3 months.

This message appears when you consume all the data of the hotspot. I also received this notice several times but my internet speed is not affected. it depends on the area where you are or alive

If you have unlimited high speed data then you will still use it at normal speeds. The only time the speed gets reduced is while you have your hotspot active. You can bypass it by giving yourself unlimited hotspot. I travel a lot so I use my hotspot for downloading videos and streaming so I use a lot. One month I almost hit 1 terabyte. no warnings or complaints from T-Mobile. I know it seems like a lot of data but when downloading 1080p videos that are 2-3gb a piece then it adds up quick lol. Follow this link to see how I did it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64011473&postcount=5

Itaintrite said:
Isn't this part of T-Mobile's promotion? Unlimited data for all existing Simple Choice customers for 3 months.
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We have unlimited data and I don't think its for just 3 months, its supposed to be unlimited. Its been unlimited and we're past 3 months

EddiePR said:
This message appears when you consume all the data of the hotspot. I also received this notice several times but my internet speed is not affected. it depends on the area where you are or alive
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Well the month before that I did go over my tether/hotspot usage and did not get this message, this one is different then hotspot overage, they are saying my actual mobile data (not just hotspot) has been exceeded and is now limited to the 99999999kbps

jmc302005 said:
If you have unlimited high speed data then you will still use it at normal speeds. The only time the speed gets reduced is while you have your hotspot active. You can bypass it by giving yourself unlimited hotspot. I travel a lot so I use my hotspot for downloading videos and streaming so I use a lot. One month I almost hit 1 terabyte. no warnings or complaints from T-Mobile. I know it seems like a lot of data but when downloading 1080p videos that are 2-3gb a piece then it adds up quick lol. Follow this link to see how I did it. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64011473&postcount=5
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ALRIGHT!!! That's super cool! Thank you, I also figured out that if u set your TTL to 64 that will somewhat bypass some things. Desktops default to 128 but androids are at 64, so simply setting the TTL allowed me to bypass it a little bit using USB tethering, but the WiFi hotspot still gets limited no matter what so this is a big help, i will try it out.
I'm glad you posted this, when I called and asked them if there was an option to purchase unlimited tethering they said no, I have a notebook that has a spot for a sim card, I was going to just add it to the account they said no to that too. Tablets and smartphones only.
They said they can't see my internet traffic because of privacy concerns but I assume seeing the techical information such as TTL's and user-agents doesnt fall under privacy restraints. I'm glad they never said anything. I mean I hardly used 1gb for the first 5 or 6 months I've had service with them and last month I used about 30gb data so I'm not a super heavy user. This month i'm at about 35gb.

MindGlitch said:
ALRIGHT!!! That's super cool! Thank you, I also figured out that if u set your TTL to 64 that will somewhat bypass some things. Desktops default to 128 but androids are at 64, so simply setting the TTL allowed me to bypass it a little bit using USB tethering, but the WiFi hotspot still gets limited no matter what so this is a big help, i will try it out.
I'm glad you posted this, when I called and asked them if there was an option to purchase unlimited tethering they said no, I have a notebook that has a spot for a sim card, I was going to just add it to the account they said no to that too. Tablets and smartphones only.
They said they can't see my internet traffic because of privacy concerns but I assume seeing the techical information such as TTL's and user-agents doesnt fall under privacy restraints. I'm glad they never said anything. I mean I hardly used 1gb for the first 5 or 6 months I've had service with them and last month I used about 30gb data so I'm not a super heavy user. This month i'm at about 35gb.
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You are correct about the user-agent strings, they do not fall under privacy, the strings only tell them what browser is being used which their system uses to determine what kind of device is being used. I'm actually surprised they don't use mac addresses they are all unique to each individual device and they don't change. And I would think they could see that info in the packets sent through their network. But I should stop giving hints to them lol. But VPN is the way to go as it hides all your info from the the hotspot. And vpn's are cheap.
Now mind you I don't think it is right for people that don't pay for unlimited to get unlimited hotspot. I only feel that if I pay for unlimited then it makes no difference how that data gets used. Although if you have limited data, I am pretty sure this will only work for them until they reach their limited data limit. Because the unlimited hotspot still counts towards your normal data plan.
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We have unlimited data and I don't think its for just 3 months, its supposed to be unlimited. Its been unlimited and we're past 3 months
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You should check what plan you have, I have "Simple Choice VAL UnlTT+D" (Unlimited Talk,Text,+Data) for $50/month this is the normal unlimited data plan which has limited High Speed data. If you want unlimited High Speed data then you need to add it as an extra, I have "SC UNL+13GB HS+unRadio" which costs an extra $60/month. So my cell bill every month just for those 2 things is $110/month. You can get less GB for hotspot which will cheapen it a little. So make sure you actually have unlimited High Speed data. Because that warning you posted is not the same as the hotspot warning. Also I believe they have a plan for the same thing but for 2 lines and a 14GB hotspot for each line for a little cheaper (cheaper per line not cheaper on bill so you won't pay less than me with 1 line for 2 lines). I hope I explained that clearly.

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You should check what plan you have, I have "Simple Choice VAL UnlTT+D" (Unlimited Talk,Text,+Data) for $50/month this is the normal unlimited data plan which has limited High Speed data. If you want unlimited High Speed data then you need to add it as an extra, I have "SC UNL+13GB HS+unRadio" which costs an extra $60/month. So my cell bill every month just for those 2 things is $110/month. You can get less GB for hotspot which will cheapen it a little. So make sure you actually have unlimited High Speed data. Because that warning you posted is not the same as the hotspot warning. Also I believe they have a plan for the same thing but for 2 lines and a 14GB hotspot for each line for a little cheaper (cheaper per line not cheaper on bill so you won't pay less than me with 1 line for 2 lines). I hope I explained that clearly.
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Yes we have simple choice family plan, the +unRadio i do believe is Rhapsody's unRadio which until u posted I was not aware I had so thanks! I've installed it free of charge from the market and I like it. Now as far as limited high speed data goes what kinds of speeds are we talking about do you know? For instance, if I do go over my usage what would I be limited to? and also do you know what the thresh hold for usage is? Not the hotspot but the actual mobile data high speed. Like how many GB until it's limited?
I am confused. I know when it limits the Hotspot it goes down to 128kbps i think. I get decent speeds downloading now when I've hit my limit about 1.5 mbps downloading stuff. Sometimes i can hit 3.5 mbps which is just fine for me. In fact its better than fine, its awesome!
We have the "Simple Choice Unlimited 4G LTE Family Plan". here is what mine says when I click on it:
This plan includes:
No annual service contracts.
Unlimited talk, text & high-speed 4G LTE data while on our network. <--- That looks to me like it's unlimited high speed data you mention.
We pay 170 total for just the plan each month, this includes jump, without jump it would be 140 a month for 3 lines. Which if you think about it isnt really bad at all in fact its spectacular! Heck, I was 110 for limited with verizon for just 1 line!
I'm sorry if this might be a little bit of a confusing question, i've been doing tons and tons of research and I am just jumbled up, but then again it might not be confusing at all so at any rate thanks for your info, i look forward to hearing your response! :good:
P.s. This whole message started appearing after I called in because there was some network congestion and I wasnt getting decent speeds at all coupled with packet loss of about 25% but that was just one day. Also I was using a tethering app that ate up all my hotspot data before I figured out the user-agent and TTL stuff. Each time I connected the phone it auto-tethered and windows update with its windows 10 garbage downloaded automatically and I didn't even realize it, my Hotspot usage ran out almost immediately and I called tmobile to find out what was going on cause I thought only wifi hotspot was affected, but it was actually usb that did it. After that I started seeing all kinds of funky stuff going on regarding limits and mobile high speed data usage... I should have never called, oops, my mistake. Thats the chance u take when fiddling around with stuff like this though.

MindGlitch said:
Yes we have simple choice family plan, the +unRadio i do believe is Rhapsody's unRadio which until u posted I was not aware I had so thanks! I've installed it free of charge from the market and I like it. Now as far as limited high speed data goes what kinds of speeds are we talking about do you know? For instance, if I do go over my usage what would I be limited to? and also do you know what the thresh hold for usage is? Not the hotspot but the actual mobile data high speed. Like how many GB until it's limited?
I am confused. I know when it limits the Hotspot it goes down to 128kbps i think. I get decent speeds downloading now when I've hit my limit about 1.5 mbps downloading stuff. Sometimes i can hit 3.5 mbps which is just fine for me. In fact its better than fine, its awesome!
We have the "Simple Choice Unlimited 4G LTE Family Plan". here is what mine says when I click on it:
This plan includes:
No annual service contracts.
Unlimited talk, text & high-speed 4G LTE data while on our network. <--- That looks to me like it's unlimited high speed data you mention.
We pay 170 total for just the plan each month, this includes jump, without jump it would be 140 a month for 3 lines. Which if you think about it isnt really bad at all in fact its spectacular! Heck, I was 110 for limited with verizon for just 1 line!
I'm sorry if this might be a little bit of a confusing question, i've been doing tons and tons of research and I am just jumbled up, but then again it might not be confusing at all so at any rate thanks for your info, i look forward to hearing your response! :good:
P.s. This whole message started appearing after I called in because there was some network congestion and I wasnt getting decent speeds at all coupled with packet loss of about 25% but that was just one day. Also I was using a tethering app that ate up all my hotspot data before I figured out the user-agent and TTL stuff. Each time I connected the phone it auto-tethered and windows update with its windows 10 garbage downloaded automatically and I didn't even realize it, my Hotspot usage ran out almost immediately and I called tmobile to find out what was going on cause I thought only wifi hotspot was affected, but it was actually usb that did it. After that I started seeing all kinds of funky stuff going on regarding limits and mobile high speed data usage... I should have never called, oops, my mistake. Thats the chance u take when fiddling around with stuff like this though.
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To be honest I am not sure how the family plans work. I have never had one. From what your plan description says, it sounds like unlimited. I would just call them and verify that it is in fact unlimited high-speed. Unlimited plans come with a limited hotspot amount. dependent on what you pay for. So I don't know what your allotment is for hotspot. Ask the rep if your plan details confuse you. Once the hotspot limit is reached, whenever you turn on the hotspot all data is reduced to 128 Kbps, that includes your device that is providing the hotspot. When the hotspot is turned off you return to your normal plan speeds. Which is why that notice is confusing. That seems like a notice for people with a limited data plan.
Also that notice is very confusing because the speed they show on that notice doesn't seem reduced lol. The math is where it confuses me. 9999999.0 Kbps = 9765.624023 Mbps which = 9.536742210 Gbps so according to that notice you have been reduced to 9.5 Gbps lol. Last I knew the max speed T-Mobile has for data is between 50-60 Mbps. So I really don't know how to understand that notice.