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Anyone try triangle away to reset the binary counter after rooting/flashing the pre rooted roms or does the ap need its code updated?
Thanks.
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Not yet he is working on it
TWEAKED 2.5
Hes the man it'll only be a matter of a few days before it's working, thanks for the info bro.
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Ok there was an update to triangle away that added note 3 but it says sadly there's no counter reset yet it won't be long though chainfire is the man!
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dawgboy1783 said:
Ok there was an update to triangle away that added note 3 but it says sadly there's no counter reset yet it won't be long though chainfire is the man!
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If you check the changelog for triangle away, it looks like it's not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30249357&postcount=5
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04.10.2013 - v3.10
- Added "system" state display, if available on device
- Added Note3 device details, sadly no reset possible
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If you check the changelog for triangle away, it looks like it's not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30249357&postcount=5
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04.10.2013 - v3.10
- Added "system" state display, if available on device
- Added Note3 device details, sadly no reset possible
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Yeah bummer but I still think someone will bust it though just give it time.
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Yeah bummer but I still think someone will bust it though just give it time.
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I really hope they can too as I just got back from picking up my note 3. I really want to root this thing but am going to stay stock for a bit to see if maybe someone can figure something out.
I'm not hopeful though because from what I've read it trips an efuse on root or flash of an custom bootloader. There is however a guy on Google plus(commenting on chainfire's post about knox) that is claiming that knox will reset if you replace the emmc.
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I really hope they can too as I just got back from picking up my note 3. I really want to root this thing but am going to stay stock for a bit to see if maybe someone can figure something out.
I'm not hopeful though because from what I've read it trips an efuse on root or flash of an custom bootloader. There is however a guy on Google plus(commenting on chainfire's post about knox) that is claiming that knox will reset if you replace the emmc.
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I have faith in XDA and the Devs they never cease to amaze these guys will have it figured out soon :fingers-crossed: its only been 12 days since the Note 3 release I'd say at least a couple months in and we will have proper root without knox trip hopefully sooner because my flashing finger is getting twitchy ad itchy
Thank you XDA,DEVS,Moderators and community Phones would be boring without all of you!
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I have faith in XDA and the Devs they never cease to amaze these guys will have it figured out soon :fingers-crossed: its only been 12 days since the Note 3 release I'd say at least a couple months in and we will have proper root without knox trip hopefully sooner because my flashing finger is getting twitchy ad itchy
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It's not that I don't have faith in the developers, but there will come a point where they will be unable to hack security restrictions such as knox. They may not be able to come up with a workaround to prevent blowing the efuse that trips the knox warranty void. This isn't a knock on developers because these guys are very talented. It's just the reality of having interest in a technology that companies are looking to make more secure. The more holes that developers exploit, the more secure android gets. It's the nature of the game.
If you haven't owned a Motorola device any time recently take a peek at their forums. They have those things locked down pretty tight. The Bionic had a locked bootloader, but was able to be rooted. When it received the last ota, djrbliss released a root exploit for it that had to be done in Linux (or a Linux VM). It's not possible to do in Windows. It is my understanding that djrbliss had retired from releasing root exploits because they have become so much more difficult to work around (I think it also had to do with people not paying attention to directions and a sense of entitlement...).
We are lucky because we have a device with an unlocked bootloader. Those with devices on AT&T and Verizon who have locked down devices won't always be so lucky. And we won't be if they continue to increase the level of security for us also.
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Stop buying Samsung products! ...Web Boycot!
I just sent the following mesage to Samsung:
"I bought the Note 2 when it first came out in 2012. I would like to replace it with the Note 3. BUT Samsung has made it impossible to reset the flash counter (with Triangle Away for example). So I can not, for example, use the Allshare Cast dongle with a rooted Note 3. This is unacceptable policy. I will not buy another Samsung device (of any kind) until Samsung eliminates this restrictive policy. So there is a $700 sale lost. Multiply that loss by thousands and ask yourselves if you are pursuing the right customer friendly policy with this restriction. "
I ask othes to send a similar message to Samsung. Lets start a Web Boycot over this isue!
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/contact
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It's not that I don't have faith in the developers, but there will come a point where they will be unable to hack security restrictions such as knox. They may not be able to come up with a workaround to prevent blowing the efuse that trips the knox warranty void. This isn't a knock on developers because these guys are very talented. It's just the reality of having interest in a technology that companies are looking to make more secure. The more holes that developers exploit, the more secure android gets. It's the nature of the game.
If you haven't owned a Motorola device any time recently take a peek at their forums. They have those things locked down pretty tight. The Bionic had a locked bootloader, but was able to be rooted. When it received the last ota, djrbliss released a root exploit for it that had to be done in Linux (or a Linux VM). It's not possible to do in Windows. It is my understanding that djrbliss had retired from releasing root exploits because they have become so much more difficult to work around (I think it also had to do with people not paying attention to directions and a sense of entitlement...).
We are lucky because we have a device with an unlocked bootloader. Those with devices on AT&T and Verizon who have locked down devices won't always be so lucky. And we won't be if they continue to increase the level of security for us also.
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Wow, so all of us who root are 100% screwed if our devices develop an issue. Wow
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Wow, so all of us who root are 100% screwed if our devices develop an issue. Wow
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No you're not screwed you can return the device to factory rom for warranty return . if you're not willing to learn how to do this simple procedure then don't root but of course root give you so much more functionality . root is really a basic necessity in my opinion and manufacturers should not be preventing this . we pay serious money to own these devices and we should be able to use them as we see fit.
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No you're not screwed you can return the device to factory rom for warranty return . if you're not willing to learn how to do this simple procedure then don't root but of course root give you so much more functionality . root is really a basic necessity in my opinion and manufacturers should not be preventing this . we pay serious money to own these devices and we should be able to use them as we see fit.
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Even if you go back to stock, if you tripped the Knox flag it's not going back to 0x0 that is going to stay 0x1 which displays warranty void.
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Even if you go back to stock, if you tripped the Knox flag it's not going back to 0x0 that is going to stay 0x1 which displays warranty void.
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Exactly. For the hell of it, I flashed back to stock and entered download mode after everything was intact. It read 0x1, which means the warranty is completely void. So I said screw it and am going to return it to T-Mobile. Absolutely ridiculous that my $700 toy has no warranty protection. Not worth it in my book, sorry galaxy fan boys lol.
I will be e-mailing Samsung about this. If the Note 3 didn't have such poor sound out of the box, I wouldn't have to flash a custom rom.
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Exactly. For the hell of it, I flashed back to stock and entered download mode after everything was intact. It read 0x1, which means the warranty is completely void. So I said screw it and am going to return it to T-Mobile. Absolutely ridiculous that my $700 toy has no warranty protection. Not worth it in my book, sorry galaxy fan boys lol.
I will be e-mailing Samsung about this. If the Note 3 didn't have such poor sound out of the box, I wouldn't have to flash a custom rom.
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I'll hold off on my root on my new N3. I have faith in Chainfire.
And has nothing to do with "fan boys". The N3 is in incredible piece of hardware. Don't think for a sec this will only stay with Samsung. Soon all mfg's will have this....watch. It's just a matter of time until the talented devs will find a way to get past it. Then, an even better phone (HTC,Sam, etc) will come out with even more of a roadblock.
Is the Knox flag will Tripped even if I didn't install the Knox app? This is the first device I am scared to root it.
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Yes you flash anything and it will trip Knox. That being said if all you want is root. Use root De last vega. Be mindful I'd you fish twrp it will trip Knox
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My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
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Naturesretard said:
My Jump! just came up yesterday but was too busy to go swap my device. The only real decent phone that catches my eye and criteria, being it must have an sd slot, is the Note3.
Now I have a few questions regarding this. I currently have the s3 and it's rooted; will I need to unroot and triangleaway before taking it in? I've read some reports that tmo wont care if it's rooted and I don't remember where to find the t999L unroot method.
Furthermore, should I be worried about this KNOX thing? I love flashing and trying new things, because over time I get bored with the same setup. I dont plan to ever go through samsung for replacements as that's why I have tmo insurance and warranties.
from what I've seen, this KNOX thing is just a new problem attracting attention to samsung as most US based phones deal with carriers as far as returns and exchanges, not the actual company. Not to mention android itself is open source.
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there are other methods to root. id suggust look through the forum if you can only b.c i cant rmr the name, i think its la something vega or vegas. i came from the htc one so the roms here are so much different.
id recommend you get the note three
Short answer. Yes. Best phone I've ever owned.
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ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
Naturesretard said:
ty for the replies guys. Should I just wait a month or two before rooting? I played with the handset instore for a little and it doesn't feel like it needs rooting right away.
I'm concerned about KNOX. I don't think I'll have to do any warranty exchanges, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm far too lazy to unroot my s3, so I'm just gonna try and swap it while it's still rooted. if they give me problems I'll just unroot it then take it to another store
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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I'd wait to root. The phone is so much fun, as it is. And the whole Knox thing is a bother worth avoiding, for now. I could see it being worth rooting if there were reliable KitKat roms with TouchWiz. But there aren't. So why bother, for now?
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For me rooting is about debloating the phone. Either by removing bloat or (as i have done with the Note 3) just freeze them for now. This gets a very noticeable increase in battery life. Also some mods can be nice. I like a very clean ROM with optimizations to battery and UI. The Kernel can be optimized too but like a stock kernel usually.
I'm coming from the VZW S4 running CleanROM and Bonestock but right now on the Note 3 I'm Rooted on Stock, with Bloat frozen and getting 7-10% battery drain per hour of screen on time (at 35% brightness) depending on what I'm doing.
i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
Phones awesome. Get it. No downsides whatsoever on this phone, sexy build, power, speed, removeable battery and SD card, great stock battery. Big ass sexy 1080 screen, what more do you really want or need from a phone?
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My S4 was fine with the slightest of lag stock out of the box. I have the VZW variant from launch day (May 23rd) and i never took an OTA. With that said the 2 ROMs i used 100% wiped out any remaining lag. My S4 was pretty much perfect for me. The reason I am now on a Note 3 is i took advantage of Tmo paying off ETF. So why not upgrade to the Note 3 instead of making a lateral move?
That said, the Note 3 is AMAZING. It's much snappier and faster. I am Rooted with TWRP but stock ROM with just bloat frozen. It has better battery life and the spen functionality is really good. If you haven't you should really watch some YouTube vids to really see it in action. A 5 inch screen is most ideal but I have large hands so 5.7 is nicer for me as i do consume a lot of content (Youtube, SlingBox, Netflix). This wile still on the stock ROM too. I think anyone coming from the S4 or Note 2 will be very happy and would think of it as a worthy upgrade not a marginal one.
To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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To the op question ~ I'm still torn between my Note 2 and this. The volume on this is so low that Samsung is practically begging you to root this phone just for that.
Tough call imo both are good. I believe you can still get the N2 pre 4.3 and not have to worry about Knox.
Software side its the small things that bug the hell out of me like having a white dialer and not being able to open internet pages in the background. Things like this that are enough to piss off the Pope!
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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I ended up getting it. I had to go back 3 times because my IMEI didn't reflect my account thru my warranty exchange. Went back today and handed in my s3 still rooted. The first 2 they actually checked if it booted, the 3rd just went ahead and did it. But to be fair he was there the other 2 times and was helping me then too. But they didn't go through any menus or anything to verify if modified or not. Just a 3 point inspection: No water damage, Boots, No cracks in the glass.
playing with it for a while..... Holy **** this thing is fast. I though I had stable quick roms on my s3... this thing just ZOOMS. I managed to lock it up once learning an spen feature, but only a mild hiccup. Aside from that I absolutely LOVE this phone. SO worth the minor 9$ bill increase. I can't wait to see what sammy drops for this. I'm surprised kitkat isn't an ota right now. I see no reason why it can't handle it.
Booted into download mode to see what was up. knox hasn't been tripped. I really want to try rooting just to see if I can debloat a little bit, but I'm a little worried to even mess with it. Do we know for sure if it's an eFuse or just software?
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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If all my reading is correct Root De La Vega will root without tripping Knox counter to 0x1.... it will stay 0x0 but the CF-auto root i think may trip Knox just with rooting. BUT... if you put any custom recovery on it like TWRP or CWM that will trip the Knox counter to 0x1. Knox is an eFuse, its hardware i believe the eFuse is in the Snapdragon 800 chip.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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Naturesretard said:
But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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There is talk that it can be reset by Samsung, but nothing specific, I rooted via de la Vega and stayed stock to get some basic access without any issues. Very happy with the phone like it is and have no urge to try other roms.
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But do we know for sure? I've done a bit of reading too. And from what I've seen it's truly unknown. Even if so, would Sammy actually tear down that far to validate warranty claims?
Is this root method easily undone? Cuz all I really want to root for is my tibu and ad blockers. I'm content with stock atm
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I think Root De La Vega you're safe but not if you put a custom recovery on. just going to have to read through the post. and others can chime in if they did it that way. I put custom recovery on my phone right away so i just used CF-Auto root so i can't confirm from my experiences.
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i am curious how people like this phone, especially compared to the Note 2 and Galaxy S4. i thought the Note 2 was probably my favorite ever, the stock UI was smooth and battery life was excellent. i used the S4 briefly and found it a bit clunky and laggy with all those fancy features(although battery life seemed excellent).
so, how would you say the Note 3 is in these regards?
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Everything about the note 3 is superior to the note 2(except audio lol), screen is crisp and brighter, more storage for games and apps, apps2sd is back!!, snapdragon800 soc is friggin insane even tho i do give props to sammys exynos soc, better build quality, better battery life.
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YES! I had my Sprint S3 stolen.... so glad I spent my hard earned money to switch to T-Mobile and to get the Note 3. Best choice I made in years!!!
Update:
I found the Odin files at SamMobile, so that's a comfort. Shouldn't be any problem going back to ANIE but it might make more sense to just hold off until ANK2 gets integrated in some roms...or Lollipop release... that said, I'd still like to know if the ANIE CF-Auto-Root will work on ANK2 firmware, or if it's specific to the firmware listed, and if there will be an issues or lag as others have reported, or if that is a phone issue unrelated to root.
So I rarely post, but a couple of days ago I shattered my Note 2 digitizer. Long story short, it was cheaper (sort of) to swap from the old $80/mo plan to a $60/mo plan with easy pay for the Note 4. My situation is this: I've almost never gotten a phone when it first comes out. So I have a few questions I didn't see answers to.
1) CF Auto Root...Chainfire lists it as supporting ANIE firmware, but not the current update...ANK2? Does it work? Are there still issues?
2) Somewhat related to question 1, but the development seems stagnant for the Sprint Note 4 just 2 months after it says the phone was released. Is it because people are staying on the Note 3? Perhaps it just hasn't picked up yet? I have 14 days to return the phone, so I'd like to go where the action is while I still can.
3) I've been seeing people mention a lot of problems after rooting their Note...lag and such. Is it something I'd be better off waiting to do? It was never an issue with the Note 2...any insight as to how exactly installing busy box even could cause these issues?
4) Rooting trips KNOX. Knox is a physical (not purely software) indicator of tampering, I've seen? Does this matter? Does it void Sprint's TEP, etc.? I don't anticipate needing it, but nobody that loses or damages their phone typically does. Is there presently a way to ODIN back to stock, is there a yellow triangle hanging over my head constantly, etc. if I were to only root the stock ROM and not install a custom one? I realize a flash back to stock will not reset a physical trip of KNOX.
Thanks for taking the time to read through and lend a hand - as I said, I rarely post and try to find this stuff for myself. But it's been a bit much to track down and some of the questions don't lend to specific enough search terms.
Root os compatible with nk2 twrp too even the current custom roms are compatible
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Root os compatible with nk2 twrp too even the current custom roms are compatible
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Appreciated! What do you mean the current custom roms are supported, though? If they're based on ANIE, when I flash them wouldn't it overwrite NK2? I'm talking software not baseband/modem.
Thanks again!
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1)CF Autoroot works on the new build
2) A lot of devs from the Note 3 didnt feel it was worth the upgrade, but there are several talented devs on here..
3) Only lag had to do with xpose and it's a easy fix
4) Ive tripped Knox and had no issues what so ever with getting a repair or replacement from Sprint
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1)CF Autoroot works on the new build
2) A lot of devs from the Note 3 didnt feel it was worth the upgrade, but there are several talented devs on here..
3) Only lag had to do with xpose and it's a easy fix
4) Ive tripped Knox and had no issues what so ever with getting a repair or replacement from Sprint
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Lag due to xpose...so I need to install the Xposed framework? I was hoping to simply root and leave everything else stock, if possible. Or you mean the custom roms using Xposed framework had to make a fix for it?
Thank you! Very much appreciate the response!
Update: Got it rooted, installed Wanam Xposed, enabled the Secure Storage bypass thingy for S Health and Private mode, as well as disabling ro.securestorage in build.prop. Success I hope. Thanks again for the push in the right direction guys!
Please forgive the catchy title as well as my ignorance as while I have been around computing stuff for a long time, am kinda new to the Android stuff.
For me, I picked up a Samsung Strat II this summer, an have gotten a bit used to that, so just grabbed a 8.4 for Xmas as I have more uses for that, an would like to get that running as best as possible.
For the Strat II, I did root it with Towelroot an with no noticeable side effects, so understand the hows an why's of this.
But in reading the forums for the 8.4, have been seeing this thing about tripping the Knox from messing with the OS in anyways in regard to rooting.
From the little bit I have read, it seems to be some kind of root tripper, an would assume that voids any warranties too, but was wondering if some could explain it a bit more to me, an perhaps answer the following questions.
1: Does it in fact trip from a root an does this void the warranty?
2: This does not seem to be part of my Strat II OS, so is this something newer?
3: If indeed it is just a warranty thing, do I care once it's out of warranty? Which I think is one year?
4: Is it just a OS recording thing, or does it mess up the tab in anyway, software or hardware wise?
5: From what I have read, once tripped, its permanent an there is no way to reverse that even from a complete system reset, so is that true?
So those are just a few at the moment an again, please forgive my ignorance, but hey, if you don't ask, you don't learn.
Thanks for any help
if you used towelroot then you probably didn't trip knox, knox will trip if you use other root methods like cf-auto-root or flash custom firmwares like CM.
knox is a hardware fuse (at least on the snapdragon cpu) that once tripped cannot be undone as it actually modifies hardware kind-of like burning out a circuit and Samsung checks the flag to see if the device was tampered with and it will void warranty (though they may or may not make an exception depending on the issue like if something was hardware related they might still honor it).
TowelRoot uses a kernel exploit and doesn't mess with bootloaders ..etc , thus keeping knox happy
Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Towelroot only worked on ND1~ND3 Firmware on the tab pro 8.4 then the kernel was patched on newer firmwares--- so if your tab has a newer firmware it won't work anymore without some headaches.
Basically you need to flash the Kernel (not the full firmware) from ND3 root the tab with towelroot then swap the kernel back to the current firmware, and knox should stay at 0x0 .
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
WBFAir said:
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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It could be worse, the efuse(s) can be used for all kinds of things like completely locking the bootloader, luckily Samsung didn't go to that extreme
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
Basically I tried the unit I have for just a little bit as I wanted to setup the basics before Xmas an make sure it would work with my WiFi, but all in all the unit ran pretty nice with just the way it was.
So I really even wonder if I want to root it, an then with this Knox thing, its deterring me even more.
But then too, I know some apps just really require it.
So kinda torn.
But if it does something else negative to the device other then what we have already discussed, might just leave it alone for the time being.
Btw, thanks for all the help so far.
There are benefits to rooting like being able to use your sdcard properly , I rooted mine, never tripped knox,
As with all rooting It's a risk if you do trip it it will probably void warranty, it could also brick your device if something goes wrong.
Another common problem I have been seeing is random reboots for people who have a tripped knox flag (this is due to software on the tablet that checks knox and somehow causes reboots, you can disable the software but still troublesome and doesn't work for everyone).
If you really want to root I would go with towelroot method, its the safest and less risk for triggering any knox problems.
you basically update your firmware to the latest version first, extract the kernel from the tar file, download the ND3 firmware extract the kernel, tar the kernel's , flash the nd3 kernel with odin, boot-up , towelroot, install supersu , reboot - switch back to download mode and re-flash the latest kernel)
Read through this thread too, some people have prepared standalone kernels to use if you don't want to do it yourself. you probably need ND3 (or ND1 will work) and K1 if your tablet is the XAR model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
^ND1 kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...320xar1ank1-extracted-stock-firmware-t2954549
^K1 kernel
Thanks greatly otyg, will have to look into this more after the holidays, an thanks so much for the info
WBFAir said:
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
WBFAir said:
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
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For this device, once you trip Knox you can no longer update firmware through the traditional methods, you have to do it manually through something like Odin or a custom recovery, as far as I can tell. Samsung recognizes that you've "modified" your device and will not let you update through official channels.
gidal said:
Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised, unfortunately it does effect normal users like us who like to tweak the devices a little .
otyg said:
I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised
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This is pretty much true, in my understanding. KNOX is aimed at enterprise users (company provided devices) as a means of ensuring the devices are kept in an "approved" or "compliant" configuration. Once a device is rooted, root can be hidden (as well as any number of changes made to the system) so it makes sense for IT departments to want a non-reversible hardware fuse to detect the device has been tampered (mainly by the employees).
Android hasn't had the widest adoption for enterprise use, mainly due to the open nature of the OS. So such security measures are an attempt at changing that perception.
Folks on here have argued that KNOX counter does not void the warranty, and its only purpose if for use along with the KNOX security software. Whether that is 100% true or not, I can't personally say.
Knox allows a device to be setup as two completely separate devices in one. One secured for business use the other for personal use. I tripped Knox immediately on mine when I rooted it.
Can i towelroot and install cm without knockig trox?
Just a friendly reminder that there aren't many of us smart enough to figure out how to root this beast. If we throw a bunch of cash at them that might motivate them to work even harder. Plus, it's totally worth it! What's $50? Too much? Fine, give $5. Whatever you can afford! I bet if we got that pot up to 100k it would get solved pretty darned quick. Let's do it! Don't be a cheapskate!
Thanks for reading. I promise not to tell you what to do other than this one time. Ha!
I agree man
Just sucks so sad that ATT screwing us like this, while T-Mobile gets all the root Recovery love they want, and even Sprint is better, and dare I say Verizon not as bad as ATT is lately
I remember just two years ago, the ATT Note 2 had root and Recovery immediately after release, and the ATT XDA Note 2 forums were jammed packed with ROM's and kernels. Why did ATT make such a drastic change to lock it down so hard now ? Where as T-Mobile allows it to be unlocked with ease ?
ATT allows HTC to still be unlocked, you can buy the ATT One M8 and root it and install custom Recovery out of the box with ease. But no way is that possible with the ATT S5 or Note 4, but why ATT ?
tfpHumorBlog said:
Just a friendly reminder that there aren't many of us smart enough to figure out how to root this beast. If we throw a bunch of cash at them that might motivate them to work even harder. Plus, it's totally worth it! What's $50? Too much? Fine, give $5. Whatever you can afford! I bet if we got that pot up to 100k it would get solved pretty darned quick. Let's do it! Don't be a cheapskate!
Thanks for reading. I promise not to tell you what to do other than this one time. Ha!
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Just thinking out loud...but at this time shouldn't you all wait for Lollipop to be released on this beast? Word is that it has more security and will be even tougher to root. So say someone roots KitKat..claims the Bounty, then Lollipop comes along and kills root again and those buying new phones with Lollipop preinstalled would be SOL. JM2C...but I also know it takes time to build up pledges.
Umm.. iiif we gain root I'm sure people would be smart enough not to upgrade to Lollipop but wait for a dev to make a Lollipop ROM.
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Umm.. iiif we gain root I'm sure people would be smart enough not to upgrade to Lollipop but wait for a dev to make a Lollipop ROM.
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That won't help people buying phones after the update with Lollipop preinstalled though. They will be stuck without root and have to start another bounty...just thinking out loud. And you would be surprised how many just hit that "update" button while rooted and get stuck in a boot loop.
Assuming root is achieved and someone bought a new note4 it came w 5.0.. couldnt one of those just take the official NIE firmware and flash it via odin.. then they could root and install a 5.0 custom rom?
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xlr8shun said:
Assuming root is achieved and someone bought a new note4 it came w 5.0.. couldnt one of those just take the official NIE firmware and flash it via odin.. then they could root and install a 5.0 custom rom?
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In theory..however Samsung has been matching bootloaders, basebands and OS release. So as seen on other models not having the 5.0 bootloader and baseband will cause the 5.0 ROM to be stuck in a boot loop. So it may be some time before developers crack that. Even an unlocked rootable phone like the Sprint S3 required you to Odin 4.4 before running any stock 4.4 ROMs...the wrong baseband there caused a hard brick. So it is not as simple as it sounds.
Zorachus said:
I agree man
Just sucks so sad that ATT screwing us like this, while T-Mobile gets all the root Recovery love they want, and even Sprint is better, and dare I say Verizon not as bad as ATT is lately
I remember just two years ago, the ATT Note 2 had root and Recovery immediately after release, and the ATT XDA Note 2 forums were jammed packed with ROM's and kernels. Why did ATT make such a drastic change to lock it down so hard now ? Where as T-Mobile allows it to be unlocked with ease ?
ATT allows HTC to still be unlocked, you can buy the ATT One M8 and root it and install custom Recovery out of the box with ease. But no way is that possible with the ATT S5 or Note 4, but why ATT ?
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Probably has everything to do with Gov't contracts... Samsung has been singing the praises of it's KNOX system to businesses and the Gov't, to to truly make KNOX effective, it needs to be locked so that you can't disable or remove it. This way if one of their phones gets lost or stolen (and they are using the enterprise security packages) it is even more difficult to get to the data.
Why not allow the folks who want them locked and secure buy special ones so the rest of us can have free and open devices you ask? Because it costs more (time as well as money) to divide up your inventory that way. you'd have to forecast how many of the secured phones you will need and order them that way. But what if that big gov't contract falls through? you are now sitting on potentially thousands of phones that your general users won't want given that they can choose to get the unlocked version. OEM won't simply take them back, unless you pay some sort of restock fee. You could re-flash them yourself with the unlocked ROM, but now you are talking about manually unboxing, flashing and then re-sealing thousands of phones. (Not optimal,)
In the end, you're better off buying an unlocked device up front as opposed to hoping that someone can crack the bootloader later on after the release. It's obviously getting harder and harder for even the truly talented DEVs to crack these bootloaders. I honestly doubt that root will be achieved on this thing prior to Lollipop beginning it rollout. There is a build for it being tested right now with very few issues remaining.
Clock is ticking.... Me? I personally could care less for root at this point. I get un-Godly battery life and performance as it is based upon my usage. Not a popular view with many in this forum, I know. I used to long for root and flash ROMs like crazy myself. It was almost like an addiction.