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Hello Everyone,
I have been a silent member of the community since the days of the Qtek phones (some of the oldies will know what im talking about). im an amateur web-designer but a Technology Consultant full time.
Now ive moved onto Android (I had a G1 2 Weeks after UK Launch) and ive been a big follower of all the various mods and roms that people have been releasing.
I have been a HERO owner for the last 8 months and it now seems like theres a mass of developers making roms on forums spread all over the web.
I know that a lot of people are loyal to the forums they've been on since god was a boy but currently its such a mess trying to see whats new and whats gone out of date.
SO!!!!
I have a load of webspace and bandwidth so i want to give back to the community and make everyone's life easier.
Im hoping to setup a dedicated forum for HERO Roms, with each rom having its own dedicated category. This will mean that bugs and issues can be posted as "individual topics" making it easier for everyone to find out a solution to their problem. Also it will mean that the developers can see instantly what bugs there and keep track of them.
This is aimed to be as much a help to the DEVs as it is to the users.
Also, if funds and bandwidth allow, this will let DEVs to upload their roms to the sites dedicated FTP space meaning it will be alot easier for people to download.
So ive put up a poll. The question is simple and you have 4 answers, 2 yes and 2 no, depending on if you're a dev or a user.
Ill let the poll run for a few days while i prepare a demo forum for testing.
If this all goes well then i will set up similar forums for all android based phones making the android developing world the best there could be.
If anyone has any experience which could be useful such as graphics, phpbb admin, or even hosting space pm me and we will see if we can collaborate to make this thing a success.
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Sounds good — right now, each ROM just has one big impossible to navigate megathread. A section for topics/questions on each individual ROM would be invaluable.
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Developers will have a dedicated "Lounge" to share/collaborate on fixing common issues. this will be hidden from normal users and will allow DEVs to work together a lot easier
There are non-dev's on here though that can have some very good ideas in fixing things..... you don't really want to alienate them
it is a no from me - XDA-DEVELOPERS is where we get our fix.....
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There are non-dev's on here though that can have some very good ideas in fixing things..... you don't really want to alienate them
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A very good point, ill work out a way this can also be implemented.
Anyone can become a developer by request but it will be closely monitored. By setting up a dedicated section it will allow devs to discuss things without being plagued by people saying they're having the same problem or haven't read the instructions properly etc.
TBH, I think that devs will still tend to migrate away from here, or really any forum where they are stuck in a 'box' as part of a bigger 'box'.
I've been setting up an off-site forum for a ROM, and there are certainly advantages to having admin/mod rights that you don't get on shared forums.
One example was that recently a dev I work with went away, and Apps2SD wasn't working on their ROM. I made a hotfix, as per our agreement before he went away, but I had to end up adding the link to my sig in red and hoping people read it... Anyway, if we'd wanted to get it into the first post, we'd have had to PM a mod and waited an age for someone to sort it out.
With admin and mod rights, a small group of us will be able to edit each others' posts and this sort of thing shouldn't happen.
On a very positive note, I've noticed that the level of support from people with servers has been brilliant. There are now 2 mirrors for this ROM's stuff, and we have plenty of space (tens of gigabytes) to host ROMs and files for people. This generosity is really appreciated, but I don't think (IMHO) devs will move from here to another 'shared' forum... The flexibility of having your own site with bugtracker software and MediaWiki is too alluring...
There are also plenty of interesting other things that can be done on a server where there's only one real ROM on it, which would not be possible, or fair on the host, if you had loads of ROMs on the site... (think about CPU and disk usage if you do any interesting scripting )
Hell, I've even got ssh access to one of the servers now, so I can use rsync to upload files via diffs, saving bandwidth. But that wouldn't really be feasible for lots of people, and loading could become an issue if a couple of DEVs released a rom at the same time (think impending 2.1 release and the number of d/ls you'll get an hour after that )
But, I'm gonna vote no, and those are my (personal opinion) reasons. But if you go ahead, I wish you good luck, and feel free to PM me if you need help working with phpBB or other stuff like that (I've done it for a while)...
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A very good point, ill work out a way this can also be implemented.
Anyone can become a developer by request but it will be closely monitored. By setting up a dedicated section it will allow devs to discuss things without being plagued by people saying they're having the same problem or haven't read the instructions properly etc.
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Well, a read-only forum would sort this, where non-devs can read, but not post. But then it's not a devs forum...
(sorry for double post, but it's on a different sort-of topic)
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TBH, I think that devs will still tend to migrate away from here, or really any forum where they are stuck in a 'box' as part of a bigger 'box'.
I've been setting up an off-site forum for a ROM, and there are certainly advantages to having admin/mod rights that you don't get on shared forums.
One example was that recently a dev I work with went away, and Apps2SD wasn't working on their ROM. I made a hotfix, as per our agreement before he went away, but I had to end up adding the link to my sig in red and hoping people read it... Anyway, if we'd wanted to get it into the first post, we'd have had to PM a mod and waited an age for someone to sort it out.
With admin and mod rights, a small group of us will be able to edit each others' posts and this sort of thing shouldn't happen.
On a very positive note, I've noticed that the level of support from people with servers has been brilliant. There are now 2 mirrors for this ROM's stuff, and we have plenty of space (tens of gigabytes) to host ROMs and files for people. This generosity is really appreciated, but I don't think (IMHO) devs will move from here to another 'shared' forum... The flexibility of having your own site with bugtracker software and MediaWiki is too alluring...
There are also plenty of interesting other things that can be done on a server where there's only one real ROM on it, which would not be possible, or fair on the host, if you had loads of ROMs on the site... (think about CPU and disk usage if you do any interesting scripting )
Hell, I've even got ssh access to one of the servers now, so I can use rsync to upload files via diffs, saving bandwidth. But that wouldn't really be feasible for lots of people, and loading could become an issue if a couple of DEVs released a rom at the same time (think impending 2.1 release and the number of d/ls you'll get an hour after that )
But, I'm gonna vote no, and those are my (personal opinion) reasons. But if you go ahead, I wish you good luck, and feel free to PM me if you need help working with phpBB or other stuff like that (I've done it for a while)...
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Yeah I agree with you there Pulser (on pretty much it all)
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Yeah I agree with you there Pulser (on pretty much it all)
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Lenny, am about to PM you with account details for what I've whipped up on the new villain mirror (forum etc.) Change default password obviously
@topic, TBH, I think load on this server could be immense. That's my main reason for no (since last post was very long, and I really think I should summarise).
I do like the idea - will it turn into ads city though?????
anon, your work on the villain rom is what inspired me to do this.
The villain thread is now almost 750 pages long and i can no longer follow it all as theres just too much to catch up on if ive been away for a couple of days.
A dedicated forum per rom is very possible but... it would mean that users would have to register at lots of different forums if they wanted to try things out.
ill pm you a link to the kind of thing im aiming for. At least having your input means we can make it even better.
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Lenny, am about to PM you with account details for what I've whipped up on the new villain mirror (forum etc.) Change default password obviously
@topic, TBH, I think load on this server could be immense. That's my main reason for no (since last post was very long, and I really think I should summarise).
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Thanks, will look out for it.
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I do like the idea - will it turn into ads city though?????
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No, it wont. Im sure the community will be supportive enough to make sure that dosnt happen.
Just a quick note to everyone. if the majority of developers say no then this wont be going ahead. without the developers there will be no use in the forum.
If anyone wants any points to be clarified or any suggestions please just post it here.
Even without dev support, i still think there would be much value in having a system in which users of a specific ROM can talk to each other. And talk in a structured, easy to navigate way. (i.e. not having everything in one megathread).
So if I wanted to ask a question about a certain ROM I'm using, other users of that ROM would be lurking in that section of the forum, and they could answer my question.
tl;dr it'd be good regardless of dev support
Discard all the "wannabe chef" threads, follow only the ones you have an interest in, and there you go. That would have saved you ~90% of the hassle.
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Discard all the "wannabe chef" threads, follow only the ones you have an interest in, and there you go. That would have saved you ~90% of the hassle.
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not exactly sure what youre referring to but if its about the list of roms then thats what i do, just follow the ones i want... BUT
the threads are very disorganised and the villain rom is now almost 750 pages long....
There is no way to easily look back and see what the bugs are other than looking back over the last 50-60 pages - search dosnt work properly because you could have the same issue mentioned hundreds of times in diffrent contexts.
And its not fair to make all the DEVs update their first post eveytime someone says something isnt working.
A wiki would be ideal for this...
Just my 2c
I stand by my earlier comment on this issue.
We need to stop fragmenting the Hero ROM community rather than fragment it more.
Incase nobody noticed, the Hero ROM community is ALOT smaller than the Dream/Magic community is.
In part because we have to deal with closed-source Sense.
But this doesn't mean that we should move to other forums just because you can't have admin powers here.
Maybe it's a better idea to ask the admins if they can possibly install a modification into vBulletin (the software this forum runs on) so that 1 thread can have multiple authors.
I'm sure there is one around.
Meaning that the person that creates a rom can assign people that can edit the first post.
This solves all the problems you have without fragmenting the community (further).
Or am I wrong?
If you want your own forum just so you can have "power" over the other users then I can garantuee you that the chances of it going well are slim.
So I've noticed a lot of people have asked about running android on windows mobile, but I can't seem to find any information on the opposite. Preferrably I just want to run an emulator, but understand if that's not feasible.
I know the big question here will be "Why would you ever want to do that?!" and my answer is simple. X-Com. I want to play X-Com on my phone and the only portable version I can find is this one
http: pocket-ufo.en.softonic.com/pocketpc
(Sorry about breaking rules and posting a link as a new member, but this obviously isn't me trying to get people to look at a dodgy porn site or anything, just showing the program I'm trying to get to work)
As such I'm wanting to do what I have to so that I can spend my time re-living my childhood while on public transport.
Thanks in advance for any answers guys.
Hi, you may very well even get flamed for posting this question .
It has been explained many times that this is not likely to happen, for reasons like windows not being open source and having no license to run it on a device that is not designed for WinMo.
The reason that you find android running on WinMo devices is that android is open source and free.
Thanks mate, I appreciate the reply. I'd figured as much from other posts, but was kinda hoping there'd be a way to port games from one to the other. Not knowing anything about this kind of thing, I've got no idea if that's possible.
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Thanks mate, I appreciate the reply. I'd figured as much from other posts, but was kinda hoping there'd be a way to port games from one to the other. Not knowing anything about this kind of thing, I've got no idea if that's possible.
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Could be possible to 'port' a game over if it were open source...and you found someone willing to do it ofcourse. Why not ask the devs of the game if they intend to make an android version.
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
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I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.
Just wanted to make sure it is rootable before I buy. Also, is the rooting process as simple as clicking a button (Like KingRoot/Towelroot) or is it more complex? I want to be crystal clear before I buy the tablet.
Did you even attempt to look around before posting this?? A quick glance in Android Development would have answered your question in a few seconds.
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Did you even attempt to look around before posting this?? A quick glance in Android Development would have answered your question in a few seconds.
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Unfortunately, I'm no Android expert. In fact, I've never had an android device before; this will be my first.
I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/general/guide-unlock-bootloader-install-custom-t3307183
I wasn't able to make too much sense out of it, besides the fact that it's complicated. I just want a straightforward answer; is it possible for me to root the tablet without knowing any form of programming or Android know-how?
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Unfortunately, I'm no Android expert. In fact, I've never had an android device before; this will be my first.
I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/general/guide-unlock-bootloader-install-custom-t3307183
I wasn't able to make too much sense out of it, besides the fact that it's complicated. I just want a straightforward answer; is it possible for me to root the tablet without knowing any form of programming or Android know-how?
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Then why do you want to root? You kinda need to be able to understand what you're doing regardless.
But anyway look at the toolkit in original dev section
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is it possible for me to root the tablet without knowing any form of programming or Android know-how?
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Yes.
Does it make sense for you to root your tablet?
No.
ir0r0 said:
Just wanted to make sure it is rootable before I buy. Also, is the rooting process as simple as clicking a button (Like KingRoot/Towelroot) or is it more complex? I want to be crystal clear before I buy the tablet.
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I have rooted every android device I have ever owned a bout a dozen going back 4-5 years now i guess.
not as difficult as my Oneplus 2 but not a cake walk either.
I wouldn't recommend this device for rooting if you have never done it before.
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I have rooted every android device I have ever owned a bout a dozen going back 4-5 years now i guess.
not as difficult as my Oneplus 2 but not a cake walk either.
I wouldn't recommend this device for rooting if you have never done it before.
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Bottomline is it doable by someone experienced in iOS jailbreaking?
What is the issue when we already have root? Follow the instructions in the post and you'll have no problems.
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Unfortunately, I'm no Android expert. In fact, I've never had an android device before; this will be my first.
I found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-c/general/guide-unlock-bootloader-install-custom-t3307183
I wasn't able to make too much sense out of it, besides the fact that it's complicated. I just want a straightforward answer; is it possible for me to root the tablet without knowing any form of programming or Android know-how?
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We we're all beginners once but laziness is not an acceptable excuse. If you would have even glanced an inch down from General on the Pixel C section of the XDA website you would have clearly seen two out of the only three threads in Android Development talk about root, if you would have looked at the very first thread (Xceed kernel) you would have clearly seen that it IS rootable and how to go about doing it. Also if you even glanced at Original Android Development and took a look at MSkip's thread about his toolkit it is a simple utility that allows you to unlock and root (not sure if he added this in yet) your device with the press of a button. Hell you could have even googled "pixel c root" and been shown various pages that would say that it is rootable. How much more obvious do you want it to be?
Your last sentence is ridiculous, that's like saying "Can I transplant a person's heart without knowing a single thing about medicine?" The answer is yes, but you'll most likely screw something up then come crying to us to fix it for you when your $500 tablet is dead. You seem to know absolutely nothing about Android, yet you know what rooting is (do you actually know what it means, or is it just a term you learned?), if you want to mess around with Android and get your feet wet with rooting and modding, get a Nexus device, they're a lot harder (neigh impossible) to brick. There is very little development for ANY tablet, and this is an especially odd one since it was originally meant to be a ChromeOS device, but at the last second they decided to throw Android on it instead so the bootloader is completely different than your standard Android device, which means the rooting process is different than any other Android device. Rooting and modding Android devices is not a simple "one and done" thing like jailbreaking an iPhone is (I did it years ago to an ex's iPhone 4 and actually found it far more complicated than unlocking a Nexus device, other devices are a different story). You actually have to know what you're doing and how to fix it in the event that something doesn't work correctly. I have rooted friends phones before when they asked me to and had no idea what to do when I gave it back to them so every time something went goofy they would come running to me to fix it for them, then blame me when something doesn't work the way they expected it to.
Read up on how to unlock a Nexus device (It literally takes about 30 seconds and three words you have to type), then how to flash a recovery image (once again, only 4 words and another 30 seconds). Sorry for sounding like an asshole but a lot of us here don't tolerate helpless users and if you keep asking questions like this where there are obvious answers you continually get this type of response. It would be more understandable if this forum section was overloaded with tons of threads and the information buried deep within a 50 page thread in one of the sub sections (I've been guilty of that and I've been here for years), but once again, there are literally like 3 threads in the development sections and the info is in the first page of the first thread.
edit: I just looked at the link you posted and if you can't follow a simple step by step instruction manual which provides you with literally everything you need, don't even attempt it because you obviously have no clue what you're doing and I'm going to assume you're not a techy person because that's actually pretty simple. You should have been here a month ago when we had partially broken root access, you would have been scared to death! Try rooting the old HTC Rezound for Verizon which required a hardware mod, or try to root a Samsung Galaxy device without tripping Knox, or getting rid of it completely, then restoring it to a factory state and make it look like Knox was never removed. If you can't press a few buttons on your device to enable dev mode, then type a few commands to unlock the bootloader you're going to be completely lost later on when it comes to flashing partitions and flashing and learning about kernels. Get the Pixel C, it's a great device, root doesn't add that much functionality for now, but I wouldn't suggest even attempting to root it because you clearly lack the desire to learn anything about the rooting process and just want to do it so you can say "I rooted my Pixel C! Now what do I do with it?" I've seen tons of these types of posts, which makes the user look dumb because they don't even know why they did it in the first place, they just knew it was something "cool" to do.
Welcome to XDA
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brando56894 said:
We we're all beginners once but laziness is not an acceptable excuse. If you would have even glanced an inch down from General on the Pixel C section of the XDA website you would have clearly seen two out of the only three threads in Android Development talk about root, if you would have looked at the very first thread (Xceed kernel) you would have clearly seen that it IS rootable and how to go about doing it. Also if you even glanced at Original Android Development and took a look at MSkip's thread about his toolkit it is a simple utility that allows you to unlock and root (not sure if he added this in yet) your device with the press of a button. Hell you could have even googled "pixel c root" and been shown various pages that would say that it is rootable. How much more obvious do you want it to be?
Your last sentence is ridiculous, that's like saying "Can I transplant a person's heart without knowing a single thing about medicine?" The answer is yes, but you'll most likely screw something up then come crying to us to fix it for you when your $500 tablet is dead. You seem to know absolutely nothing about Android, yet you know what rooting is (do you actually know what it means, or is it just a term you learned?), if you want to mess around with Android and get your feet wet with rooting and modding, get a Nexus device, they're a lot harder (neigh impossible) to brick. There is very little development for ANY tablet, and this is an especially odd one since it was originally meant to be a ChromeOS device, but at the last second they decided to throw Android on it instead so the bootloader is completely different than your standard Android device, which means the rooting process is different than any other Android device. Rooting and modding Android devices is not a simple "one and done" thing like jailbreaking an iPhone is (I did it years ago to an ex's iPhone 4 and actually found it far more complicated than unlocking a Nexus device, other devices are a different story). You actually have to know what you're doing and how to fix it in the event that something doesn't work correctly. I have rooted friends phones before when they asked me to and had no idea what to do when I gave it back to them so every time something went goofy they would come running to me to fix it for them, then blame me when something doesn't work the way they expected it to.
Read up on how to unlock a Nexus device (It literally takes about 30 seconds and three words you have to type), then how to flash a recovery image (once again, only 4 words and another 30 seconds). Sorry for sounding like an asshole but a lot of us here don't tolerate helpless users and if you keep asking questions like this where there are obvious answers you continually get this type of response. It would be more understandable if this forum section was overloaded with tons of threads and the information buried deep within a 50 page thread in one of the sub sections (I've been guilty of that and I've been here for years), but once again, there are literally like 3 threads in the development sections and the info is in the first page of the first thread.
edit: I just looked at the link you posted and if you can't follow a simple step by step instruction manual which provides you with literally everything you need, don't even attempt it because you obviously have no clue what you're doing and I'm going to assume you're not a techy person because that's actually pretty simple. You should have been here a month ago when we had partially broken root access, you would have been scared to death! Try rooting the old HTC Rezound for Verizon which required a hardware mod, or try to root a Samsung Galaxy device without tripping Knox, or getting rid of it completely, then restoring it to a factory state and make it look like Knox was never removed. If you can't press a few buttons on your device to enable dev mode, then type a few commands to unlock the bootloader you're going to be completely lost later on when it comes to flashing partitions and flashing and learning about kernels. Get the Pixel C, it's a great device, root doesn't add that much functionality for now, but I wouldn't suggest even attempting to root it because you clearly lack the desire to learn anything about the rooting process and just want to do it so you can say "I rooted my Pixel C! Now what do I do with it?" I've seen tons of these types of posts, which makes the user look dumb because they don't even know why they did it in the first place, they just knew it was something "cool" to do.
Welcome to XDA
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No offense taken. Thanks for the time though, I'll give it a think over.
You're welcome, if you need help with something that you can't find an answer to easily, we'll gladly help you, just don't expect any hand holding hahaha
It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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The android phone market is a trap that many people fall into. Yesterday, we were buying smarthphones to make them last, and Xda was there to give these phones a second life. But today, people are buying phones because they MUST buy. It's become a fashion accessory, and this consumption pattern has affected the look of the forum. The world of new technologies no longer takes the time to live, unfortunately ...
Trace.Oneil said:
It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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I would like to point out something you may have missed, i could be mistaken. However, this is (my reply) is truly valid.
I have modded smart phones and devices, i usually follow tutorials, Even if i may seem invisible. With that said, yes the infrastructure of technology is to move forward and "keep up'. I believe you missed what xda-developers means.
You don't need to keep up with the trends, afterall it's a decision only you can make.
Maybe you would benefit from buying old devices, and creating your own design. Customised. Just like an artist paints a pucture, inspired by the souroudning.
Please understand that I'm just a menber as you, but using an alternative thought process of what's going on here. I am unbiased, so i basically sit on the fence with everything. But c'mon. I ported andoid 11 on an S2. Unstable, but thats why this place exists. You have provided valuable feedback. I agree on one side, but would never bite the hanf that feeds me. so to speak..
I believe in development and not destruction.
In your case, honestly. if you're happy with it, stick with it.
Trace.Oneil said:
It seems nowadays that these forums have become a total waste to anyone if you dont have the latest devices or what help with rooting them. Other than that there is no interest in sharing or helpinp others anymore. I have posts that were posted in various forums,some months ago already and have had absolutely no feedback on them.
What is the point of even posting anything anymore,if nobody out there is bothered to help with advice,sharing files,apk's,mods etc anymore. I am really disappointed that the community in general seems to have just given up on anything other than the latest and greatest.
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Thank you for your feedback. We are actively working on ways to promote more helping and sharing of content on XDA. If you have any ideas, would love to hear about them!
The issue I have seen over the years is that many people come on XDA looking for it to be a "help site". Many want something for free. But, in order to get, you should give. XDA is about sharing of mobile device knowledge.
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Thank you for your feedback. We are actively working on ways to promote more helping and sharing of content on XDA. If you have any ideas, would love to hear about them!
The issue I have seen over the years is that many people come on XDA looking for it to be a "help site". Many want something for free. But, in order to get, you should give. XDA is about sharing of mobile device knowledge.
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Help whores... some too lazy or inept to do Google searches and take the time to sort it out.
After which they vanish*.
Problem with that is to use these devices effectively you must immerse yourself in them to some degree.
This site provides an effective platform to aid that learning curve whatever your end goal is.
Learning from others mistakes is always better than making them yourself...
Both Google and the manufacturers push OS's and hardware platforms in a self serving way which is many times in direct conflict with the end user's best interests. This site helps to provide workarounds for the many issues this creates.
Something for everyone is not a bad thing...
*That's better than the spammers hawking the voodoo wuv
Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.
Trace.Oneil said:
Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.
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Part the problem is the thread shows up once in the sea of other threads and quickly gets sunk to the bottom.
It's a busy site. Not sure what can be done expect bumping the thread every few days or whatever.
Separating the rooting, moding, new app threads from general questions might help... or just create more confusion. Probably do more harm than good.
(Edit) Personally I enjoy the cross exposure to other devices and platforms as it increases my knowledge/awareness base.
It's fascinating even if I don't always understand all of it.
Trace.Oneil said:
Yes,i agree with your statement. But of late,the help you speak of or learninm from others does not happen anymore. In my specific caseg have posted to various manufacturer forums asking for said help and advice and have got not one reply on any of those forums and topics in question.
Hence my saying that it seems to have become a place where if you dont have the newest available handsets etc,you wont get answers to your questions etc anymore because all the top developers are trying to keep up with the latest Android software releases and the latest camera etc technologies to take the collective community forward,but sadly it is to the detriment of the majority who cannot for whatever reason move forward with them and are stuck using older devices and then as a result dont get any feedback anymore on their questions etc.
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Lot's of stuff for older devices has been covered. i.e. developers move on to latest devices, they develop, research, post etc. before moving on and at some point that device becomes an "older" device of which info/data already exists..
either way, cant expect everything to be covered as it's impossible. I was at that point once upon a time.. once i realized cant always rely on an experienced dev to be there to answer all my questions is when its great to research and learn on your own.. eventually stuff will become easy and you might have ppl asking u for help.. thats a positive thing about xda and the internet, theres endless knowledge out there if you are patient and willing to learn.
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Lowxorx said:
The android phone market is a trap that many people fall into. Yesterday, we were buying smarthphones to make them last, and Xda was there to give these phones a second life. But today, people are buying phones because they MUST buy. It's become a fashion accessory, and this consumption pattern has affected the look of the forum. The world of new technologies no longer takes the time to live, unfortunately ...
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That, but also the fact that the technology has slowed down quite a bit. It was only a few years ago where most phones would begin to feel slightly sluggish on stock OS after a year of updates...Now? A relative of mine bought a mid range Motorola phone from 2019 and it's fast as can be, game wise it's decent too. The incentive to eek out more "oomph" isn't as high as it used to be - imo.