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I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? I heard/read it doesn't replace recovery so it also won't trip knox? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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Naturesretard said:
I've been rooting since OG Evo days, but only played with that, the s2, and s3. Rooting was easy as pie. But with all this knox stuff I'm wary.
I recently read reports of people sending in their phones to both Samsung and tmobile and getting it back with knox restored but still maintaining sim unlocks. So obviously it's a well kept firmware they flash or perhaps signatures.
This in mind I used kingoapp, and root was easy. Just decline the recovery install and you'll maintain 0x0. But after this new information I'm still worried to trip knox for fear those restores we're just a fluke.
Anybody have luck with safestrap? Also, as long as I don't flash kernels or recovery I'll be good right? Like i can delete bloat or install at root level to /system and I'll be fine?
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As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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pvinayraju2k4 said:
As long as you just root it nothing happens system will be fine .... Plssss hit thanksss.....
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Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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Naturesretard said:
Thanks for the info. However in the future there's no need to request we thank. I've learned most people here on xda thank quite often, myself included.
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First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong... can't believe he asks for a thank. When you install a custom recovery, that is when you trip Knox. There a method to install a custom ROM w/o a recovery using Mobile Odin Pro. I know nothing about that but have read here that it works. You just can't flash custom kernel. I went ahead and flash a custom recovery because I don't care about Knox and will never send this phone to Samsung for warranty repair.
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Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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Naturesretard said:
Just the fact most of us have insurance plans; if we discover a problem such as faulty gps or screen displacement, etc, tmobile fixes it for us anyway, right?
So it really doesn't matter if we trip knox, correct???
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From everything I read, yes.
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asianflavor said:
First off, the above poster is wrong...
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He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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From everything I read, yes.
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I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Naturesretard said:
I guess I shouldn't bother with safestrap then. Was planning on trying to pay off the note 3 and keep it anyway instead of jumping again this year.
Either way it won't matter...until I do eventually get a new handset but even then I know enough about rooting I shouldn't need to repair this one once paid off and detached from my account.
my next question is then should I TWRP or cwm? I tried CWM for the first time since gingerbread on my s3 and fell in love with it
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
MasterSe7en said:
Hey Nature! just wanted to add my 0.02, ok theres a difference between rooting, and a difference between flashing recoveries,kernels,roms,and what have you.
ill give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely VVoids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your devvice
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i dont encourage the latter. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of the MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get too it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, however there are ways around these things, google and the search bar are you best friends to start, and we can help too.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
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Oh and please i Highly suggest using Philz Touch!
Code:
http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/hltetmo
Thats for the HLTETMO version, which is our versions in this forum, all credit to phil ofcourse, it is basically CWM, but so much more user friendly and advanced with much more options, there are two files there, you obviously want the latest version, and there are two ways to do it, if you download the tar.md5 you must use Odin, and put your phone in download/odin mode, very easily done (turn it off unplug usb and press Home+Vol Dwn+Pwr) then once the screen pops up press Vol Up and then plug the USB in, and follow the instructions of w/e tutorial you are ready, but be very careful in odin mode, if you disturb the phone while its flashing you will most likely brick it, and the .zip is considering you already have a custom recovery and you can just flash it through there.
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Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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Towle said:
He's not wrong. There are a couple different methods of rooting that don't require a custom recovery, therefore don't trip Knox.
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Wow... must have read that post wrong. Been working way too much. Sorry about that but looks like we have some great info added here.
Naturesretard said:
Ty for the explanation. Unfortunately, that is if you took the time to write that or just copied, I knew most if not all of the risks. As I said earlier I've been rooting since gingerbread.
However, it's quite informative and anybody else who is new to rooting shall find it helpful.
Kernels are more or less a bios, if you will. But they are specific to builds. You can't use aosp on tw and vice versa. There are other key features but I can't remember off the top of my head. Basically no kernel =/= no phone or no features such as camera.
You're right about the s4, but if I'm not mistaken it was believed to be an eFuse, as was for the note 3 too. Although other members have said they got it back reset, 0x0, and sim unlocks intact to fix other issues like broken gps. Therefore it is believed to be software at a signature level.
And I'll look into philz, loved it on the s3. If you ever have q's about root feel free to pm me
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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ahh nate, i misunderstood, i thought you were new to rooting but just knew some of the basics, but were unclear of some others, but yeh, i typed that all up, no copy and paste here otherwise i would've credited the Author ^_^ but i hope it was Helpful, im sure its plastered and posted evverywhere around here, but maybe ill make a Write up somewhere to clarify things, because when i was learning, everything was scattered and i had to collect all the information.
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You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Naturesretard said:
You Be Surprised How Often that happens. I'd sticky if I could
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Hey Nate! **WAVE**
lol well i posted a new thread on it, so i hope it helps the newer guys and it'd be nice if it was stickied, like i said tho, its plastered everywhere around here and on google even, but its nice to try to help my Fellow note 3'ers
Okie, so I wrote this guide up for someone in another post, and a few people said it was very helpful so i hope it can get stickied here.
Also i know this information is All over the place but it was a bit scattered for me, but id like to post it here in my Fellow N900T Owners section
I'll give a brief explanation in the differences. The Colors of the titles indicate how safe/dangerous it is to modify one of these things and wether it will void your warranty, Green=Wont void your warranty, and easily reversible. Orange=Void Warranty, Reversible, But starting to get Dangerous, Red=Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your device Definitely Voids Warranty, and if screwed up, could ruin/brick your device
Rooting: When you are rooting your device, you are basically forcing your stock version of android to allow you (the user) root access, therefore allowing you to bypass/allow signature verification for apps, now this could be anything from homebrew apps that you are making yourself...to the naughty pirated apps, and i don't encourage the latter. Rooting your phone does NOT void your warranty, you can always UNROOT. By giving yourself root access to your phone, your allowing the next to happen:
Flashing a Custom Recovery: Ok ill explain this as simple as i can...Mostly all if not ALL android phones have a stock recovery, this is a safeguard in case some kind of software fault happened in the phone(stock software fault or what have you). Flashing a custom recovery would be your next step after Rooting a device (IF) you want to go further than apps, meaning Kernels, Roms etc. Now the reason you must Root your device in order to install a custom recovery, is because like explained above signature verification....Now this is when you begin to tread in warranty territory, once flashing a custom recovery...your warranty has become VOID, however what the custom recovery allows you to do is a multitude of things, but the most major is Flashing .ZIP files, which most roms are in the form of, now not only Roms are in ZIP files, so are kernels,mods,baseband firmwares, etc, with that being said, different phones/devices use different methods of flashing roms, lets say for example you somehow screwed something up on a samsung really bad, and it wont boot, however, you can still get into download mode...then you're safe, because samsung uses Odin to flash the entire phone back to stock meaning Recovery/aBoot/Data/System and bring you right back, but if you hard brick it, theres only 3 ways out from that...and they all suck....number one, is call me and send it to me to Jtag it for you ..but it takes long and its not that cheap, #2, Desolder the chip (whichever it is on the device that has caused the problem) and replace it...and thats not an easy task at all, ive done it once to an S3 successfully, after that i never wanted to do it again, and this was back when they were really expensive, and lastly....#3.....and this one is the worse....go buy a new one SO BE CAREFUL!
ROMS: So now that we have a custom recovery, a rom is basically a heavily modified version of Android! and let me tell ya, i love them...i love so many of them, there are sooo many different things that you can do with roms, but the most desired from what ive gathered, is so people can remove the bloatware that comes with their phone when they buy it from the carrier/manufacturer. Thats not all tho, there is way too much to get into, but some roms allow you to Overclock your phones CPU/GPU, and change the Behaviors of the phones hardware, and the major component in roms that allows that is the Kernel.
Kernel: Now dont totally quote me here, im still learning kernels, but a kernel is basically the binary software in the phone, almost like a bios that when modified from stock, changes the behavior of MOST of the hardware, not all. Now i could be wrong and anyone please feel free to correct me, now i do want to give you a shot of my own advice here...if you dont know what you are doing, kernels are dangerous to a noobie..before i started messing with roms and kernels, i tried to get the best understanding i could, and ill be honest with you, i blew up a couple S3's doing so. but im still learning. so if you're unweary or still not educated enough in the hobby to get to it, please read more up on it, because as none of these guys here that are devs nor people like myself that are trying to help intend to destroy your device on you, so please be careful for your own device's safety, and to save yourself money and a broken heart.
Knox: Ok now correct me if im wrong here, because im still learning as this is new to me, i only saw it on the MJA bootloader on the S4 on Jellybean from Sprint when they first OTA'd it, but knox looks to be Samsungs pathetic try of not lettings us Access the devices binary software, like an encryption, or to only let us access and modify certain things, also samsung has added a flash counter, which will tell them how many times you have flashed a new rom, once the knox counter is tripped....your warranty with samsung is gone, if youre lucky and you bring the phone into a local carrier store, theres a good chance the guys working there will have no idea how to even see if, from what ive learned you must be in download mode to directly see the knox counter.
I Hope this helped and shed some light on some information, and please if anyone has anything to add or to correct me if im wrong anywhere please do so ^_^
P.S. To be totally honest, theres always a way to restore your device and even get the flash counter back to 0 again and put everything back to normal, if an experienced tech looks at it and puts it in download mode unless all is restored, hell be able to see everything, but honestly, if you pay off the phone, you havve nothing to worry about, but then again, i dont care much for warranties, so it all depends on how savvy with fixing problems when they go wrong, but if you ever need i can help you, im pretty experienced when it comes to everything but developing atm, i was a microelectronics major in college, so my expertise is mainly in hardware i.e. if you hard/soft brick the devvice i can usually get it out of that.
please excuse my typing, i type extremely fast, and i have a mechanical keyboard and i think some lettings are startings to give way such as the V key.
So this is what i came up with ^_^ i hope this helps and please feel free to correct me or Add to this by commenting in the posts below and ill change the write up as needed
Hope this heellppsss
Questions please
Update: 2/17 Thanks for the Knox info towle! gonna add it
I would just like to add a few things. The Knox flag isn't reversible. Once it's tripped, there's no going back. Flashing a custom recovery will trip the Knox flag. Depending on how you root, that could also trip the flag. There are a couple rooting methods that go around it, but if you're planning on installing a custom recovery, it will be tripped anyways.
Hey guys,
I'm kinda new to the HTC/Android world, found this community a damn good place to find support.. But now I've hit a road block.
Basically, I've been eager to root from day 1 of getting my first htc handset, I came across from jailbreak and loved the fact of customizability with Android.
So I had the Google play edition(I think, all geared towards Google) running Kit Kat 4.4.4. Love it, big Google user so this all tied together lovely.
Here is the Situation.
I found a video on youtube, cannot provide URL as I'm in work at the moment, but it was root guide from scratch. Fresh windows OS, seemingly a phone fresh out the box.. you get the idea.
I used the Hasoon2000 tool to root the device. Installed ADB etc on my pc, signed up as a a dev, got the Key for device, sent in and received my .bin file. I got up to actually rooting my device, well pleased and happy. Using TWRP via Hasoon2000.
But here is where **** hits the fan.
The device needed to update, It took me back to 4.4.2 but Im unsure on how to get back to most up to date OS and keep the root.
But when I reboot to install this, it goes into TWRP. no other way around this.
Queried this on another forum, decided to continue to be patient... but no replies, in the mean time I restored my apps and have a fiddle, see what the root function can do for myself.
I installed "Freedom 1.0.6" and a program called "Market Share"- Hate iAP, some games are ridiculously priced for the smallest of things, I just wanted to sandbox plague inc. ;(
Now the device is stuck in a boot loop, phone starts up, see the home screen for a bout 40 seconds/ one minute.. Some times I unlock the device and it goes back to flash screen then.. others I boot an app and its slides away once more.
This happened close to 15x before I left for work this morning and I imagine its just going to repeat this and run the battery - I tried to stop this loop by going into TWRP and possibly choosing to boot system this way may of stopped it.. but when I was on the boot screen with those options.. It said Tampered at top of screen and S-On- which has scared me quite a bit..
What the hell has happened!?
I'm desperate to know and don't want to have this damn thing bricked! Please help.. try explain like I'm 5, as said I'm new to a lot of this! >.<
first off, if the screen comes on, its not bricked.
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But here is where **** hits the fan.
The device needed to update, It took me back to 4.4.2 but Im unsure on how to get back to most up to date OS and keep the root.
But when I reboot to install this, it goes into TWRP. no other way around this.
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Do you mean you accepted an official OTA? I think that is what you are saying. You should not be accepting OTAs on a phone that has been bootloader unlocked, custom recovery, etc. unless you know exactly what you are doing and what the result will be (which is clearly not the case).
Stock recovery is needed to install an OTA. That is why it keeps going to TWRP, then it doesn't find stock recovery and reboots, hence the loop you are stuck in. Try to find the OTA file and delete it.
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first off, if the screen comes on, its not bricked.
Do you mean you accepted an official OTA? I think that is what you are saying. You should not be accepting OTAs on a phone that has been bootloader unlocked, custom recovery, etc. unless you know exactly what you are doing and what the result will be (which is clearly not the case).
Stock recovery is needed to install an OTA. That is why it keeps going to TWRP, then it doesn't find stock recovery and reboots, hence the loop you are stuck in. Try to find the OTA file and delete it.
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Thank you for fast response.
Official OTA - being that the phone its self said "Update the OS" - I just accepted this, hit download and began install as a reboot- didnt spot implications. As said, noob, followed a tut. If it highlighted DO NOT UPDATE or.. IF U WANT UPDATE NOW FOLLOW THIS- Great, but nothing of the sort?
Is the OTA file basically the .exe for the OS- so find it and delete it.. although I dont have enough time to navigate and establish where the file actually is located!
Or do you have any links to tutorials I could possibly follow?
Side note- when this loop started I deleted
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Or do you have any links to tutorials I could possibly follow?
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This is really your main issue. By following a YouTube video and using a Toolkit, you've failed to actually learn anything or gain any real understanding or knowledge. Do yourself a favor and ditch the tutorials and videos (and toolkit for that matter) and do it the old fashioned way . . . by reading. Videos and step-by-step guides do you no good when things go south (as you've now discovered). And with the prior proper knowledge (usually not gained by following tutorials) this whole mess probably would have never happened in the first place.
A cardinal rule of Android phone modding: DO NOT accept/download/install OTAs (official OS updates) on a modded device unless you know what you are doing, and what the result will be. If in any doubt, simply DO NOT do it.
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Is the OTA file basically the .exe for the OS- so find it and delete it.. although I dont have enough time to navigate and establish where the file actually is located!
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.exe file is Windows specific. You are looking for a zip file, and it typically starts with "OTA". Don't remember where its saved to, so you will have to search for it. If you can't keep the phone running long enough to do so, mount the memory on your computer and search that way.
Deleting the OTA file worked for me on a past device, although one M8 user in the same position said deleting the file didn't get him out of the loop. Flashing your ROM again, or wiping the internal memory (backup any important personal data first) might be options for you.
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you've failed to actually learn anything or gain any real understanding or knowledge.
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Ive seen quite a fair few ratings for Hasoon2000 and decided to go with it..
redpoint73 said:
Videos and step-by-step guides do you no good when things go south (as you've now discovered).
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agreed.. theres FAR much more I need to learn.. its scary haha.
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DO NOT accept/download/install OTAs (official OS updates)
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taken on board. I know with my jailbreaks in past it has been a pain, assumed Android would be alot more stable to over write- due to functionality of OS and unlocked features.
I was being generic when I said .exe- basically the installer..
I returned from work to see phone stopped looping.. i could stop the install and deleted the file ASAP.. but now what.. Phone is still bugging me to update, lost the root(got a checker).. so whats the correct procedure!?
I am confused to what you are trying to accomplish at this point, is it to install a OTA, or a recovery? What exactly is going down here?
Me personally to take an OTA is to relock bootloader, install stock recovery, and make sure CID matches. I am S-Off so bootloader means very little, but you can unlock and relock at will when you are S-Off. You will not lose S-Off accepting an OTA.
Try to re-flash the ROM, with stok ROM, using TWRP and clean install. It should work.
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I am confused to what you are trying to accomplish at this point, is it to install a OTA, or a recovery? What exactly is going down here?
Me personally to take an OTA is to relock bootloader, install stock recovery, and make sure CID matches. I am S-Off so bootloader means very little, but you can unlock and relock at will when you are S-Off. You will not lose S-Off accepting an OTA.
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I am trying to update the phone, root and then some..
What file am I looking for and how do I flash a ROM on a M8
esenfur said:
I am trying to update the phone, root and then some..
What file am I looking for and how do I flash a ROM on a M8
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First of all once the bootloader is unlocked you don't have to relock it to get OTA.
As I undersand you have done the following:
1) Unlock using HTCDev-Method
2) flashed a custom revocery (TWRP in your case)
3) flashed a supersu too!?
To install the OTA means loosing root acces. Thus you have to re-root it after the OTA is done. The other problem ist that STOCK OTAs don't work with a custom recovery. Meaning you would have to flash a stock recovery first, install the OTA second (as long as you didn't change anything an just root), and re-root third.
Let's have a look which stock recovery you would need:
1) reboot to bootloader
2) connect the phone to you PC and open cmd in you adb/fastboot folder
3) enter "fastboot getvar all"
4) paste this information here (but DELETE the IMEI and SERIAL NUMBER before posting!!)
As soon as we know which stock recovery you need we will go on.
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Ive seen quite a fair few ratings for Hasoon2000 and decided to go with it..
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I'm not saying there is anything "wrong" with the toolkit, per se. For the most part, it does what its intended to do.
But it also shortcuts the learning process, and facilitates folks rooting the phone without gaining the proper knowledge. This is a dangerous thing.
This is just my opinion. But I strongly believe it. If you can't accomplish these things without a toolkit, you shouldn't be rooting your phone in the first place.
Others use the toolkits, and love them. They are more than entitled to have their own opinion. But when things go south, the toolkits aren't going to help; and those folks don't have the proper knowledge and they come running here. So you tell me what is the "best" way to root the phone?
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I was being generic when I said .exe- basically the installer..
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I already figured this was probably the case. But I found it better to provide the exact information on what file to delete; rather than leaving it open to the possibility of you and/or others being misinformed.
esenfur said:
Phone is still bugging me to update, lost the root(got a checker).. so whats the correct procedure!?
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Sounds like you still have TWRP installed, so just flash SU or SuperSU to gain root.
After that, you can use Titanium Backup or similar app to find the update process and freeze it, to stop the update notifications.
Don't remember the exact process (this is where searching and reading comes in for you) but its something like "drm..." or "updater".
I have this situation before,what i do is find the right stock recovery and flash..after ota done flash back custom recovery..?
esenfur said:
I am trying to update the phone, root and then some..
What file am I looking for and how do I flash a ROM on a M8
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At this point after seeing this, I would suggest you take some time and start reading. All of your answers are here in the forums. Knowledge is power and within the pages of this site you will find everything you need.
To take the OTA find a stock recovery, to flash ROM's find the one you like and flash via your favorite recovery.
Should I root my HTC One M8? I am not sure, please help!
Without any second thoughts if you know what you are doing
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DTLblaze said:
Should I root my HTC One M8? I am not sure, please help!
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This question can't be answered, without you giving any specifics of why you want root, what you expect to do with it, etc.
If you want/need root for specific reasons, willing to read and learn, and can follow instructions, then its not a difficult thing to accomplish; and root has some nice benefits.
DTLblaze said:
Should I root my HTC One M8? I am not sure, please help!
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Hi, DTLblaze...
This is a difficult question to answer definitively and objectively.
It depends on what you want from root, and what you expect to gain from it. Or maybe you just like to tinker.
Anyway, the fact you're asking it, suggests you're curious...
And your curiosity means at some point, eventually, you're likely to attempt it. If not on the M8, then on some other Android device.
You are, I suspect, naturally and understandably worried about damaging your device. You've probably read or heard a great deal about 'bricking' - rendering your device unbootable and unusable.
Whilst this is certainly possible, it usually only occurs when people have failed to understand and read up on the basics.
And even then, most people usually only have to deal with a 'softbrick' situation, which typically results in a device that boots, but doesn't complete booting.
Depending on the circumstances, softbricks are almost always resolvable. If you can access (ie, boot) the bootloader, the device is usually recoverable.
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The very basic bare bones of rooting are these...
1) Unlock the bootloader.
2) Fastboot flash a Custom Recovery (TWRP).
3) Using that Custom Recovery, Flash Chainfires SuperSU Root package.
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Familiarise yourself with running command lines from your PC, so for example...
Code:
fastboot flash recovery twrp.img
...would flash TWRP (TeamWin Recovery Project - a custom recovery) to the recovery partition of your M8.
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So my advice is to read, read, read and more read - everything you can about root.
And above all...
*** Don't Panic ***
...when things go wrong or appear to go wrong.
Keep a steady, level head and THINK.
All too often here, I read of people randomly doing random stuff, in the desperate hope that it will fix whatever problem they've got. Should I go S-off? Should I relock the bootloader? Should I flash this firmware, or that ROM or run this RUU?
So, instead of digging themselves out of a hole, they're digging themselves further in!
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We all start somewhere, and I made a complete pigs ear of the first Android device I rooted some five years ago. Fortunately, it all worked out in the end, but only because I asked questions...
So don't be afraid to questions. To quote an old carpentry aphorism... 'Measure twice, cut once'.
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Hope all this helps with your decision, and the best of luck.
Kind Rgrds,
Ged.
I just want to make sure that everything is crystal clear. I have spent weeks and many, many hours pouring over numerous, differing guides on how to root the 910V and run a custom 6.0+ ROM - all of them missing different vital chunks of information. Correct me if I am wrong:
You have to temp-root the device and quickly run an unlocking script written by an unknown source before the phone completely locks up and reboots itself. Then if you're lucky and the script is successful after 17 attempts and 4 battery re-charges, the stock 5.1.1 ROM will refuse to boot and you'll only be able to access the stock recovery with an "unlocked" flag on it. Then you'll go to install TWRP, try and flash a custom MM ROM only to find that wifi, camera, and all sensors don't work on any MM ROM without flashing the updated CPD1 bootloader firmware (this is not explicitly mentioned in multiple different guides for rooting and unlocking, including the official): Example here and here. Oh, and good luck using the thread search tool to find replies that mention this wifi issue in any of the 500 pages of replies that follow the official rooting and unlocking guide! The search tool has been broken for weeks and you'll get: "Sorry, we encountered an error processing your request. Please go back and retry or wait a minute. The Administrators have been notified of this error". Clearly Admins either aren't being contacted or don't care.
Then if you are repeatedly unsuccessful in flashing the updated bootloader firmware using the BPA1-CPD1 Hybrid Lollipop ROM developed by hsbadr in this guide, you might try and flash the stock 6.0+ bootloader firmware found here, (because you can't find anything with the broken search tool, it seems like a logical thing to do, and there are absolutely NO write-ups that mention extremely simple things - (like whether or not the updated stock VZW bootloader firmware will re-lock the bootloader.) However, if you do this, the bootloader re-locks itself, the phone bricks itself into a boot loop, and you have to factory flash VZW's MM ROM. If you manage to do that without completely losing your sanity, then you have to flash VZW's 5.1.1 ROM while on 6.0.1 firmware, which will take 6+ tries to get working and might not work at all. Then you have to boot into 5.1.1, re-temp root, quickly re-run the shady bootloader unlocker script before the phone force-restarts, go back to having an unbootable ROM, re-flash TWRP, then flash a custom 6.0+ ROM.
Am I understanding all of this right? I just want to make sure that I am not unaware of something, because god forbid anyone ever be unaware of something, lest this YOU DIDN'T READ!!! YOU DIDN'T READ!!!!! mantra get thrown around - as if any of you could seriously have the audacity to claim that these cluttered, fragmented guides on 15 different links represent some sort of fool-proof cohesive and coherent guide in your warped minds.
So am I missing anything? Some crucial step that I still might be unaware of? No? Great. Rant done. TL;DR: This process is waaaaaay too complicated for most people. I put myself in this category as a professional engineer that's rooted and flashed custom ROMs on many different phones.
notedroidbrokedroid said:
I just want to make sure that everything is crystal clear. I have spent weeks and many, many hours pouring over numerous, differing guides on how to root the 910V and run a custom 6.0+ ROM - all of them missing different vital chunks of information. Correct me if I am wrong:
You have to temp-root the device and quickly run an unlocking script written by an unknown source before the phone completely locks up and reboots itself. Then if you're lucky and the script is successful after 17 attempts and 4 battery re-charges, the stock 5.1.1 ROM will refuse to boot and you'll only be able to access the stock recovery with an "unlocked" flag on it. Then you'll go to install TWRP, try and flash a custom MM ROM only to find that wifi, camera, and all sensors don't work on any MM ROM without flashing the updated CPD1 bootloader firmware (this is not explicitly mentioned in multiple different guides for rooting and unlocking, including the official): Example here and here. Oh, and good luck using the thread search tool to find replies that mention this wifi issue in any of the 500 pages of replies that follow the official rooting and unlocking guide! The search tool has been broken for weeks and you'll get: "Sorry, we encountered an error processing your request. Please go back and retry or wait a minute. The Administrators have been notified of this error". Clearly Admins either aren't being contacted or don't care.
Then if you are repeatedly unsuccessful in flashing the updated bootloader firmware using the BPA1-CPD1 Hybrid Lollipop ROM developed by hsbadr in this guide, you might try and flash the stock 6.0+ bootloader firmware found here, (because you can't find anything with the broken search tool, it seems like a logical thing to do, and there are absolutely NO write-ups that mention extremely simple things - (like whether or not the updated stock VZW bootloader firmware will re-lock the bootloader.) However, if you do this, the bootloader re-locks itself, the phone bricks itself into a boot loop, and you have to factory flash VZW's MM ROM. If you manage to do that without completely losing your sanity, then you have to flash VZW's 5.1.1 ROM while on 6.0.1 firmware, which will take 6+ tries to get working and might not work at all. Then you have to boot into 5.1.1, re-temp root, quickly re-run the shady bootloader unlocker script before the phone force-restarts, go back to having an unbootable ROM, re-flash TWRP, then flash a custom 6.0+ ROM.
Am I understanding all of this right? I just want to make sure that I am not unaware of something, because god forbid anyone ever be unaware of something, lest this YOU DIDN'T READ!!! YOU DIDN'T READ!!!!! mantra get thrown around - as if any of you could seriously have the audacity to claim that these cluttered, fragmented guides on 15 different links represent some sort of fool-proof cohesive and coherent guide in your warped minds.
So am I missing anything? Some crucial step that I still might be unaware of? No? Great. Rant done. TL;DR: This process is waaaaaay too complicated for most people. I put myself in this category as a professional engineer that's rooted and flashed custom ROMs on many different phones.
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The processes were easy enough...and some like me had temp root on first or second try. If you've spent weeks and weeks trying to figure this all out, I'm not sure anyone can help you. There are people in these threads that have answered every question you've brought up, and helped people get through. I know you must be some kind of troll with your "one post" and claiming you've been rooting blah blah blah....engineer...blah blah blah, you should be embarrassed by your lack of understanding and ability to root and unlock. Go read some of the dopey posts by people who can't follow instructions or put a sentence together, yet were successful! I guess what I'm saying is stfu and go away.
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gcounts said:
The processes were easy enough...and some like me had temp root on first or second try.
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You can follow all of the links I posted and verify that the information I have claimed is missing, is indeed missing. I have pointed out what is missing from where and concisely explained exactly why the process for this particular phone is dangerous without said information.
Congrats on your effortless unlock and custom ROM flash. Your anecdotal success and unsubstantiated claims regarding the successes of others does not make the process objectively "easy", nor straightforward. I have flashed custom ROMs onto many devices, and this one is the most complicated, convoluted, and frustrating of them all.
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you should be embarrassed by your lack of understanding and ability to root and unlock.
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Ahhh, the "YOU DIDN'T READ!!!!" mantra begins! I don't know if you're aware of this, but failure is how things are learned. It's how more cohesive, better written guides surface, and it's how people like you enjoy a successful root and custom ROM. There are lots and lots of people who have ruined phones from attempting this process. I'd be willing to bet money that the people who developed these hacks certainly went through a couple.
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You can follow all of the links I posted and verify that the information I have claimed is missing, is indeed missing. I have pointed out what is missing from where and concisely explained exactly why the process for this particular phone is dangerous without said information.
Congrats on your effortless unlock and custom ROM flash. Your anecdotal success and unsubstantiated claims regarding the successes of others does not make the process objectively "easy", nor straightforward. I have flashed custom ROMs onto many devices, and this one is the most complicated, convoluted, and frustrating of them all.
Ahhh, the "YOU DIDN'T READ!!!!" mantra begins! I don't know if you're aware of this, but failure is how things are learned. It's how more cohesive, better written guides surface, and it's how people like you enjoy a successful root and custom ROM. There are lots and lots of people who have ruined phones from attempting this process. I'd be willing to bet money that the people who developed these hacks certainly went through a couple.
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You know what? The people that wrote the guides did so out of the goodness of their hearts as have all of the people here that have helped others to root their phones. There's nothing like you coming in here and slapping those people in the face.
Perhaps they're not the best writers. I think it unlikely that writing is what they do for a living. But you know what? If you'd taken the time to read the entire threads, you would have seen every possible way to **** up and how to deal with it. But no. Assholes like you think there should be a one touch root because you're too ****ing lazy to learn a little bit about your phone. Sorry, bub. It didn't happen with this phone. It took almost 18 months to discover and develop the exploits that allowed us without developer editions to root our phones.
I should apologize. I should be sorry that you're too ****ing stupid to read through hundreds of posts on how to unlock a bootloader and root your phone.
Have you sent any money to the guys that developed the exploit? How much are you paying for any of what's here on this forum? STFU.
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You know what? The people that wrote the guides did so out of the goodness of their hearts as have all of the people here that have helped others to root their phones. There's nothing like you coming in here and slapping those people in the face.
Perhaps they're not the best writers. I think it unlikely that writing is what they do for a living. But you know what? If you'd taken the time to read the entire threads, you would have seen every possible way to **** up and how to deal with it. But no. Assholes like you think there should be a one touch root because you're too ****ing lazy to learn a little bit about your phone. Sorry, bub. It didn't happen with this phone. It took almost 18 months to discover and develop the exploits that allowed us without developer editions to root our phones.
I should apologize. I should be sorry that you're too ****ing stupid to read through hundreds of posts on how to unlock a bootloader and root your phone.
Have you sent any money to the guys that developed the exploit? How much are you paying for any of what's here on this forum? STFU.
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- Has anybody bothered to state that 40% of the battery charge disappears every time you run Kingoroot? Nope. Nowhere in the guides.
- Has anybody mentioned that the CPD1 VZW bootloader firmware is also locked and will not boot a ROM flagged as custom? Nope! Nowhere. You heard it here first!
- Has anyone examined the content of the BPA1-CPD1 hybrid 5.1.1 ROM to determine whether it contains OEM VZW firmware or a custom firmware revision developed by someone on this forum? No. Nobody has done that.
You don't have to "write full-time" to have good written communication skills. I could write a very respectable COMPREHENSIVE guide on the process involved, but do you know what would happen to it? The admins would never sticky it and it would get buried under a thousand other threads. Somebody decided that there can be ONLY ONE ["Official"] guide, even though the current one is a stupid, incoherent mess that's maintained by an OP who refuses to amend or add anything to it.
And lazy? At least I perused the source code before I blindly copied a script claiming to unlock my bootloader. I doubt you have the slightest clue on either how to look at it or what malicious code looks like.
Lastly and most importantly, you're a fool for being content with giving your money to a phone manufacturer that rails you in the ass for wanting more control over it. After I brought my Note 4 back from the grave, I bought a Nexus. You think donating your change to the Devs is going to fix this problem long-term when you give Samsung $800 to continue doing this to you? I don't have enough crayons to further explain to you what an idiot you are.
Ok as this really is nothing more then a rant I will close this up with a few passing thoughts.
Things like this are not meant to be done by the average guy. This is a developers site. So yes you are expected to do lots of research before you do anything.
Next. No one in their right mind uses that root process. The battery drain is it connecting to the internet and downloading what ever it is they use to root the device after then get your imei and store it.
Also lets leave the name calling for the playground or the next name that will be called is banned.