hello,
my phone 7100 4.4.2 I want reset my counter knox warranty void to 0 . because I bought my note 2 2 weeks ago .
explain by pictures or video if u can .
sorry about my english.
there is no way to get knox to 0 if you tripped it to 1.
in UE there is a law, where knox doesn't mean you loose your warranty
yaro666 said:
there is no way to get knox to 0 if you tripped it to 1.
in UE there is a law, where knox doesn't mean you loose your warranty
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There is no law like that, dont confuse people. Its up to the repair center to let you use your warranty or not. Long story short, Knox DOES void your warranty and there is absolutely nothing you can do to reset the counter. It could only happen with the Note 3 for a short time, no idea if it still works.
it is effect about warranty?
NickVXD said:
There is no law like that, dont confuse people. Its up to the repair center to let you use your warranty or not. Long story short, Knox DOES void your warranty and there is absolutely nothing you can do to reset the counter. It could only happen with the Note 3 for a short time, no idea if it still works.
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it is effect about warranty?
3looshy99 said:
it is effect about warranty?
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Yes, if the counter is set to 1 your warranty is voided and there's nothing you can do about it.
3looshy99 said:
it is effect about warranty?
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Yes, if the counter is set to 1 your warranty is voided and there's nothing you can do about it.
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It really depends on where you live if it will void your warranty or not.
Lennyz1988 said:
It really depends on where you live if it will void your warranty or not.
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It actually depends on the repair store and not where you live. I live in Greece and the guy at the repair shop would not fix my phone. Still, many people from Greece have reported success with knox tripped to 1.
NickVXD said:
It actually depends on the repair store and not where you live. I live in Greece and the guy at the repair shop would not fix my phone. Still, many people from Greece have reported success with knox tripped to 1.
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Yes that also is a factor. But in the EU rooting, flashing etc can never void your consumer rights. On top of that Samsung made a public statement in the Netherlands that rooting, flashing etc will never void warranty.
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There is no law like that, dont confuse people. Its up to the repair center to let you use your warranty or not. Long story short, Knox DOES void your warranty and there is absolutely nothing you can do to reset the counter. It could only happen with the Note 3 for a short time, no idea if it still works.
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Directive 1999/44/CE
that's why EU was started, to unificate many things, not to give money like the magician from hat
yaro666 said:
Directive 1999/44/CE
that's why EU was started, to unificate many things, not to give money like the magician from hat
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False. The Directive 1999/44/CE is about rooting/flashing and not tripping Knox. It doesnt matter how you tripped Knox, if the counter is set to 1 your warranty is voided. I never said that rooting/flashing voids the warranty but having the Knox counter set to 1 DOES void your warranty EVERYWHERE in the world. Period. Again its up to the repair center.
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False. The Directive 1999/44/CE is about rooting/flashing and not tripping Knox. It doesnt matter how you tripped Knox, if the counter is set to 1 your warranty is voided. I never said that rooting/flashing voids the warranty but having the Knox counter set to 1 DOES void your warranty EVERYWHERE in the world. Period. Again its up to the repair center.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Like I said: Samsung made a public statement in the Netherlands that tripping Knox will NEVER void your warranty. In the rest of the EU maybe it does void your warranty, maybe it doesn't. But it will never void your consumer rights if you trip it. Thus the store you bought it from still has to fix it.
what trips knox? root...
if you are in EU and some service tells you knox is related to warranty, you can sue them and the case is already won as it was sentenced by the greatest court in Strasburg.
If they tell you the opposite, they just want to make you a suck3r.
no one wants to repair sth for free
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You couldn't be more wrong. Like I said: Samsung made a public statement in the Netherlands that tripping Knox will NEVER void your warranty. In the rest of the EU maybe it does void your warranty, maybe it doesn't. But it will never void your consumer rights if you trip it. Thus the store you bought it from still has to fix it.
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what trips knox? root...
if you are in EU and some service tells you knox is related to warranty, you can sue them and the case is already won as it was sentenced by the greatest court in Strasburg.
If they tell you the opposite, they just want to make you a suck3r.
no one wants to repair sth for free
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First of all about the Samsung statement -link or it never happened.
Also
what trips knox? root...
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. They don't care how you tripped Knox. Rooting is not the only way to trip Knox.
Like I said, no repairs for users with Knox tripped.
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/faq/what-knox-warranty-bit-and-how-it-triggered
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
Straight from Chainfire's Google Plus :
Anyway, of course there's that EU regulation (1999/44/CE) that is generally interpreted so that rooting/flashing may not break hardware warranty. As I've said again and again, this may be true, and you may be legally entitled to free repairs but this doesn't necessarily mean they'll actually repair your device.
Warranty needs to be provided by the seller, not by the manufacturer. The shop will usually depend on the manufacturer's warranty, though that's really none of your business or concern - your deal is with the seller. The shop will send you (or your device) to a service center, which may not be OEM operated or owned (but licensed instead) and are furthermore under no obligation whatsoever to repair your device if they don't want to. And if their instructions say to not repair in case X, then they will not, as the OEM will not reimburse them for the parts.
The shop will just tell you that the OEM says your breakage isn't covered by the warranty, and that will be that. You will have to slap said shop around a bit with EU regulations, and possibly take them to court before they will repair/replace your device. Even if you take them to court, and if you win (I've not seen or heard from such a case winning yet), you'd just be hurting the shop, it has no effect on the OEM, and you've probably spent a lot more time and money than you would've just buying a new device.
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I am 100% correct and like I said already, its up to the repair center to fix your device or not.
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First of all about the Samsung statement -link or it never happened.
Also . They don't care how you tripped Knox. Rooting is not the only way to trip Knox.
Like I said, no repairs for users with Knox tripped.
https://plus.google.com/+Chainfire/posts/LCfF5A9fsTG
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/faq/what-knox-warranty-bit-and-how-it-triggered
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
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I am 100% correct and like I said already, its up to the repair center to fix your device or not.
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The links from samsungknox tell nothing about warranty or not. They only talk about Knox.
Here is a dutch link. You can use google translate.
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/90256/sa...foons-standaard-onder-garantie-repareren.html
Even if you brick your phone they will fix it.
So stop saying that it will void your warranty. It will possible only void warranty in SOME countries, but definitely not all.
Lennyz1988 said:
The links from samsungknox tell nothing about warranty or not. They only talk about Knox.
Here is a dutch link. You can use google translate.
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/90256/sa...foons-standaard-onder-garantie-repareren.html
Even if you brick your phone they will fix it.
So stop saying that it will void your warranty. It will possible only void warranty in SOME countries, but definitely not all.
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If this still won't change your mind, then so be it.
iwdarwin
hi all,
FYI:
I have just talked on the phone with official samsung service department about my knox warranty void indicator ( 0x1 ) which changed when my phone was rooted. i asked them both if it is possible this indicator to be change and if they could restore it initial state ( 0x0 )...They told me that when there is any change either in flash counter or knox indicator then my phone warranty be off.In addition, they told me that they are not able to fix it and in these cases, the only way is to change the mainboard!!
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http://www.kingoapp.com
KNOX Counter and Warranty?
You should have a good idea of the relationship between these two when you see the sign, KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0×0. That means, yes, your warranty will be voided immediately when the Knox Counter is flagged/tripped.
Usually, there are two factors to take into consideration when it comes to warranty claims. One is ROOT status. The other is this KNOX Counter/Binary Counter.
As to the ROOT status, as long as you remove your root in a traceless manner, it wouldn't be a problem.
As to KNOX counter, once it is flagged/tripped (as in "KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0×1"), you lose your warranty immediately. And more, any benefit this KNOX Tech provides you is compromised and no longer available.
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If this still won't change your mind, then so be it.
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I just had a conversation with a Samsung Agent.
-Samsung Agent
13:58:54
Welcome to Samsung's service via Live chat. How can I help you?
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13:59:28
Good evening, I would like to know the Knox 0x1 voids the warranty on devices of Samsung in every country.
-Samsung Agent
14:00:07
Good evening, my name is (...). On the issue you mentioned, please give me a little time to check it and we will reply as soon as Sir ~~~
-Samsung Agent
14:01:01
Thank you very much for your waiting.
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14:01:07
Of course.
-Samsung Agent
14:01:49
What you mentioned voids the warranty of your device in every country. This can tell you and our service if you want that will check the device.
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14:02:49
I have no problem with my device simply would like to be sure about the future, thanks.
-Samsung Agent
14:03:09
Thank you for contacting Samsung Hellas. Good afternoon.
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I have been looking into this all over the forum and online, and there seems to be mixed answers to this question. I am wondering if tripping the knox flag will void samsung's 1 year warranty. I bought my phone new on ebay, so i do not have any warranty with t-mobile as far as i know of... I am asking because I am dying to root my phone after updating to kit kat and losing my root. It seems at least for now there is no way to root without tripping knox on kit kat, and there is no knox safe way to switch back to 4.3. Any insight into the warranty policy would be great. Also if there is a knox safe way to root or downgrade feel free to share. Thanks in advance!
One of the guys on here works at a Samsung repair center. It is not official but he said he see's them allow the phone to be repaired the first time they see it with Knox tripped. The 2nd time however they refuse it. Others have reported being denied the first time so it appears to be hit or miss. So if you are really worried about keeping the warranty, I would say to error on the side that yes it does void your warranty.
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One of the guys on here works at a Samsung repair center. It is not official but he said he see's them allow the phone to be repaired the first time they see it with Knox tripped. The 2nd time however they refuse it. Others have reported being denied the first time so it appears to be hit or miss. So if you are really worried about keeping the warranty, I would say to error on the side that yes it does void your warranty.
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Thanks for the info, it would be nice if Samsung would officially state their stance on tripping knox and honoring their warranty.
Just bought the SM-P600 and found out that there is no root that will NOT trip KNOX.
I mainly need root for the following:
1). Add more app in Multi-view
2). Froze Samsung apps
PS: reason I am afraid with KNOX tripping is because if I need warranty work, Samsung may reject my tablet. Samsung repair center seems to be strict - I had Note 1 bought from UK seller. Phone went bad, asked Samsung UK if I can send it for warranty work, I"ll pay the S/H both way. Nope - Samsung said UK devices must be used in UK. The moment I took it out of the country and use it there, warranty voided. Imagine if Samsung USA see KNOX bit...
You know what? Your a smarter man than me, I actually knoxed mine but after today I am not that fussed if my warranty is gone. If I need to claim warranty at any point in the future I will simply fry the mainboard before I send it, either by bridging a car battery across the mainboard or by stripping the the board out and zapping in the microwave for a few seconds.
If the board is totally inoperable they will have replace it, whether or not knox is enabled is irrelevant you can't void what you can't see? Just got to be smart about it and leave no evidence of tampering.
The tear down isn't to hard to be honest, but you can avoid it certainly try and do so, I believe that Towelroot won't knox the unit but certainly do research before hand.
kypreo said:
You know what? Your a smarter man than me, I actually knoxed mine but after today I am not that fussed if my warranty is gone. If I need to claim warranty at any point in the future I will simply fry the mainboard before I send it, either by bridging a car battery across the mainboard or by stripping the the board out and zapping in the microwave for a few seconds.
If the board is totally inoperable they will have replace it, whether or not knox is enabled is irrelevant you can't void what you can't see? Just got to be smart about it and leave no evidence of tampering.
The tear down isn't to hard to be honest, but you can avoid it certainly try and do so, I believe that Towelroot won't knox the unit but certainly do research before hand.
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Can't Samsung deny the warranty if you burn the motherboard under the "User abuse" clause? [emoji12] Just kidding.... It's a hit or miss when it come to Samsung warranty, I suppose.
I almost got burned, as mentioned above. Had Amazon did not have a great return policy, I'd have a $600 door step.
lanwarrior said:
Can't Samsung deny the warranty if you burn the motherboard under the "User abuse" clause? [emoji12] Just kidding.... It's a hit or miss when it come to Samsung warranty, I suppose.
I almost got burned, as mentioned above. Had Amazon did not have a great return policy, I'd have a $600 door step.
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Truth be said unless you leave visible marks it's hard for them to deny it, I should do a test run in a microwave with dud boards I have at work, at least that way we can determine if that leaves marks hahahaha:laugh:
lanwarrior said:
Just bought the SM-P600 and found out that there is no root that will NOT trip KNOX.
I mainly need root for the following:
1). Add more app in Multi-view
2). Froze Samsung apps
PS: reason I am afraid with KNOX tripping is because if I need warranty work, Samsung may reject my tablet. Samsung repair center seems to be strict - I had Note 1 bought from UK seller. Phone went bad, asked Samsung UK if I can send it for warranty work, I"ll pay the S/H both way. Nope - Samsung said UK devices must be used in UK. The moment I took it out of the country and use it there, warranty voided. Imagine if Samsung USA see KNOX bit...
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This was why I rooted my LTE model to add more apps using Wanam Xposed and under System can add more apps. TB I used to freeze a lot of stuff but need root for that...
parcou said:
This was why I rooted my LTE model to add more apps using Wanam Xposed and under System can add more apps. TB I used to freeze a lot of stuff but need root for that...
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Yeah, unfortunately, there is no root w/o KNOX tripping for the Wifi version. I'd have bought the LTE version, if it is not too expensive ($699 versus $459).
I am an expert in Android OS and everything else related !
But i used to live in KSA , which warranties there are pretty much nothing !
So my Q is does they really check for kinda of things here is US ? I know how to return to stock Touchwiz, but there is usually a counter that counts flashes , Any one have any experience with this kinda of things ?
I've heard mixed reports - most say they they can return for warranty with flash counter tripped and is okay. I don't think there is a counter that counts flashes. I have put several ROMs on my 10.1 and it shows just 1.
The Tab Pro 8.4 has a micro fuse built into the circuit board that will blow and change the Knox counter from 0x0 to 0x1. If Samung went through the effort to build this into the tablet I'm sure they will check it.
For more info check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
Romza said:
The Tab Pro 8.4 has a micro fuse built into the circuit board that will blow and change the Knox counter from 0x0 to 0x1. If Samung went through the effort to build this into the tablet I'm sure they will check it.
For more info check this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
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The Knox hardware "tripwire" is primarily intended to make enterprise users (businesses) feel they can use the device safely without it being modified.
I've seen it argued here that it does not void warranty. Although I can certainly see it being used to do so, if Samsung wanted to.
From what I've read on here, resports have been mixed (about whether root voids warranty), as another stated previously.
There is absolutely ZERO Samsung documentation showing a tripped Knox flag voiding the Hardware Warranty. It simply prevents the tablet from using Knox Security software, forever.
I was denied warranty repair by samsung for my S4 because of KNOX. Ive read about this exact topic for hours and even talked to samsung support in 4 different countries.
One representative will tell you that it voids warranty and a very few will say that it doesnt.
Then in Europe there is the whole argument of 'if I modify software and my speaker breaks within 2 weeks of purchase my hardware warranty should be intact'. There is some consumer protection in that regard but i cant remember which exact law it was.
Even so, have fun arguing with a multi-billion dollar company, i certainly didnt. I have tripped many many knox fuses and all i can say is this: buy the device and test it as THOROUGHLY as you can to be sure you dont have one with a problem straight from the factory and then blow that stupid fuse.
Make sure its in good shape. It would suck if you trip the fuse and then you realise you have a dodgy acreen/speaker/woifi whatever that you could have fixed on warranty.
Be prepared for no warranty whatsoever if that fuse is gone. If youre lucky they will still fix it.
Hi all,
I've had a bit of experience in rooting and flashing, back on my old Nexus 4. Haven't done it in awhile due to my Nexus 5 stock being bloody perfect in my opinion.
I'm going to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5, and I've heard about all the bloatware. Obviously I would like to remove this crap if possible, but I was wondering about warranty issues. Is it now possible to restore the tablet back to a state that the warranty provider will not be able to tell it's been rooted/flashed (and voided warranty)?
Cheers.
Nope. Once knox has been tripped, you cant get back warrenty. There isnt even a root method that doesnt void knox either. What I do is wait like month or two before rooting to see if there are any faulty parts. Then i root and void warrenty.
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Nope. Once knox has been tripped, you cant get back warrenty. There isnt even a root method that doesnt void knox either. What I do is wait like month or two before rooting to see if there are any faulty parts. Then i root and void warrenty.
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Thanks a lot, exactly what I wanted to know !
Case closed!
Tomo8281 said:
Thanks a lot, exactly what I wanted to know !
Case closed!
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Please read this, then close your case.
I just got my tablet back from Samsung. My screen stopped working so I went back to the store and they sent it back to Samsung.
I was a little bit freaking out, because it was rooted and then some. (had scratches on the side/cover, I've taken the cover of it once)
Now, 2 weeks later, I just retrieved it.
Tablet is fixed/replaced. Warranty was NOT voided.
And it looks like they really fixed it instead of just refurbishing/replacing. They replaced the hardware (broken mainboard, usbport, cables), de-rooted it and patched it up back to normal factory state.
I even got the stock recovery mode from Samsung on it, which they used to patch it up.
And the bootloader says KNOX WARRANTY VOID: 0.
I've looked in to this and found that Samsung is 'okay' with you rooting your device. Your warranty does NOT get voided if you root it!
If it breaks down due to software or hardware failure that is not of your own doing (i.e. not having it dropped/submerged, you get the point), Samsung will cover the first 'repair' you sent in.
Atleast here, in the Netherlands.
Just thought you guys should know this, as everybody is 'tripping their knox' and worrying about warranty.
In the EU there is a law saying that you are allowed to jailbreak electronics you own without losing warranty. So unless it is brokenot because of negligence including bricking,, they should fix it.
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In the EU there is a law saying that you are allowed to jailbreak electronics you own without losing warranty. So unless it is brokenot because of negligence including bricking,, they should fix it.
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It has to do something with Samsung. Depends on each thing that happens to your tablet. I think they only fix it once when Knox is tripped.
Europe has stronger consumer protection laws. I would not count on it in the U.S.
Yeah as I said, in the UK/EU yes. No idea about elsewhere. It is nothing to do with one fix if tripped its to do with consumer law.
I read many things about that root will void my warranty, or not. The main question is above. Is there a clean answer for this? OR Is there a way that I can root without tripping Knox?
I would be very grateful if someone cen get me a clean answer for this because I'm searching about this for too long time now.
Sorry for my bad english, I'm a hungarian
As far as i know rooting will void your warranty no matter what, in older Android versions there were ways to root without tripping it but Samsung have upped their game and it will void your warranty
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As far as i know rooting will void your warranty no matter what, in older Android versions there were ways to root without tripping it but Samsung have upped their game and it will void your warranty
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Thanks for the anwser, and one more thing.. What is in the warranty? I mean what they will repair? They are looking only the software side of the phone? Or if my camera will broke then they will replace it?
GreGaming said:
Thanks for the anwser, and one more thing.. What is in the warranty? I mean what they will repair? They are looking only the software side of the phone? Or if my camera will broke then they will replace it?
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if its a hardware issue like if the board just randomly dies, memory corrupts, battery expands etc. its not common but its there more to cover their ass. if you were to drop your phone in water or crack the screen it isnt covered. They look at the software to see if you have violated the EULA and if you have they legally dont have to do anything