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Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I could be wrong, but I believe they increased the size of the screen and reduced the size of the bezel, so it would be roughly the same size.
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scmlee said:
Hi,
Firstly, this is not to start any debate about which aspect ratio is better, but is more a question for those who own (or have used) the first generation Galaxy Note.
I'm really looking forward to getting the Note II (upgrade from my current i9000) and my first concern upon hearing of the new aspect ratio (16:9) is how well it works well with the S-Pen for writing. Especially since writing in English (and many others) is from left-to-right, and not vertical. So reducing the width of the device means even less space to write.
So for note users, from your experience with the 16:10 screen, do you think the new 16:9 screen is a concern for writing with the S-Pen?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
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I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
deliriousbb said:
I have the Note (16:10) @ 5.3" and also the GS3 (16:9) @ 4.8". The Note's screen is substantially larger in width and height. Viewing web pages and reading, the Note is definitely easier. But while viewing movies or video clips, the 16:10 on the Note actually isn't that much bigger than the GS3. The "black bars" from the aspect ratio actually wastes the view space on the screen. So with a larger screen 5.55" on the Note 2 you will definitely have a better experience watching videos. And as for using the S pen to write with, you shouldn't worry about that at all. If you ever compared the dimensions between the Note and Note 2, the size is very negligible. My GS3 is my daily driver and I've handed the Note to my dad because the camera performance is much faster on the GS3. But once the Note 2 is out, I will be back on it.
Very minimal difference. The biggest changes are: Note 2 is narrower by close to 3mm, but taller by 4.25mm. I'll take the skinner taller chick any day
Note vs Note 2 Dimension
NOTE 1: 146.85 (H) x 82.95 (W) x 9.65 mm (D), 178g
NOTE 2: 151.10 (H) x 80.50 (W) x 9.40 mm (D), 182.5g
Check out the specs:
NOTE Original
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note/spec.html?type=find
NOTE 2
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note2/spec.html?type=find
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I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
Good comparison site for sizes of both displays
http://www.displaywars.com/5,5-inch-16x9-vs-5,3-inch-16x10
Portrait width is .1" narrower but .3" taller on the Note II. They also list diagonal sizes at the various aspect ratios.
Asquared said:
I have a similar concern, but it doesn't relate to viewing movies or video clips. My question is more around keyboard input for texting, emails, etc. My question is more around how much LESS WIDE is the screen of the Note II, versus that of the Note I. For my aging eyes, the wider the virtual keyboard in portrait mode, the better. So, I'm not at all concerned with the outer dimensions of the Note I and II -- I'm more interested in how much the usable screen's width decreases from the Note I to the Note II. Anybody got any info in this area? Thanks in advance for your replies.
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If you check the specs of the width, it is only 3mm wider, but yet the Note2 practically is all screen from bezel to bezel. You basically have an additional 6.28mm of diagonal screen space to work with. Again, I don't think you need to worry about the width and how it will effect your typing. It is negligible. 4.79 inches vs. 4.49 inches
Plus the latest keyboards from swype uses all of the width space and is very easy to type with even with the smaller GS3 screen.
Because the screen is taller, the change in physical width of the screen is very small, around 2.5mm.
There is a loss of 80 pixels from the sides but the remaining pixels are larger than on the note 1 to make up for the loss of the 80.
So physically there is just almost the same amount of room for the pen to move as on the note 1. Also I expect the keyboard buttons to be the same size, just maybe the resolution of the text will be less.
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
Been wondering about this myself. I have a note 1.
Would the square inch space / size of the screen be higher on the 1? I did read ½ of the thread.
dhar8062 said:
Sorry to resurrect an old discussion, but just wanted to chip in!
I had the Note 1 for 11 months and Note 2 LTE for 3 weeks and of course I'm loving it!
Just to point out, the results from that displaywars website are "rotated". i.e. width should be height and vice versa
It shows that the Note 2 is 0.3 inches taller and 0.11 inches thinner.
I must say I notice the "loss" of width in screen real estate. Although the Note 2 feels better in the hand. It could just be I'm used to the original Note.
They say how films are better on the Note 2 because of the 16:9 ratio but in my experience most modern films are being presented in the 2.39:1 ratio so I still get the black bars on the top and bottom. EDIT: However, TV shows are in 16:9 so are full screen.
Just my two cents!
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sure most movies are 2.4:1, but you also need to factor in that it means that on the note 1, you lose even more rows of pixels compared to the note 2, so movies will still be better on the note 2 because the black bars will be narrower.
and i find my note 2 to be sharper than my note 1. even though its missing 80 rows of pixels, it ends up being sharper because it has a full subpixel matrix, which means that despite having 80 rows of pixels less, it still ends up with 30% more subpixels, which makes it better overall in my books.
all blurry
I have a problem my galaxy note 2, I think the loss of resolution to 1280x720 left the icons and letters all blurry, while the galaxy note 1 to define the icons and letters were much better. this is a hardware issue or software?
What do you owners think about using the tab as a reader?
I'm thinking about investing in either the 8.4 or the 10.1 as the reader. Simply for things like news articles, blogs, and maybe even using the Amazon Kindle app to read books. How much stress would it put on the eyes?
It's not stress on the eyes I would worry about...it's the weight of the device. The screens are mostly the same on these devices but the extra weight of a full size tablet might making extended reading sessions difficult. I would suggest getting the 8.4. I just upgraded to one from an LG G Pad and use it mostly for reading Kindle, Feedly, and Play Magazines.
I'm pretty sure there was a setting I saw that said Reading mode or something to that effect.
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It's not stress on the eyes I would worry about...it's the weight of the device.
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I second this. The NotePro 12.2 is amazing for reading, I really like the sharpness of the text. Been using the Newsweek app a lot, read some magazines, comics, etc. View angles are good and you can adjust brighness easily.
There is the "reading mode" indeed but so far I don't see any difference when I turn it on and off.. not all apps support it.
The weight is indeed the problem, don't expect to be holding it up for long, as you would with a very light e-reader or a paper magazine. It will have to rest on your lap (even that way it can tire wrists a bit) or a stand.
I've tried all of the current 8" tablets for extended periods of time for reading. I own (or owned) the mini, the mini retina, the LG G Pad, the Samsung Tab 3 8", the Samsung Note 8", thus Asus Memo HD 8" and currently have the Tab Pro 8.4 on order.
I also had other slightly smaller tablets like the 7.7" Toshiba AT270 and the Samsung 7.7"
They all work fine for reading. Weight with a thin 8" tablet is negligble. In fact if you compare any of these to the top end reader available, the Kobo Aura HD, they only weigh on average about 100 grams more. That is not a big weight delta.
The Samsung tablets (the tab 3 8") and the new Tab Pro all have a reading mode. I used the Tab 3 8" for about 6 months and left it on by default. Wasn't really sure how it helped (or if it did at all).
Two things are important for reading under various conditions, max brightness/dimness and DPI. Max brightness is important if you are reading outside (one of the main reasons I got rid of the LG G Pad), max dimness is handy if you are reading in bed in the dark and don't want to wake up the wife with an 8" flashlight...
DPI, the higher the better as it increases the sharpness of text. As a reference, the Kobo Aura HD is 1440x1080 (6.8") with a DPI of 259. The Tab Pro has a 359 DPI....
I think 10.1 is the best size now that they're so light. I had an iPad 3 (retina) and then went for the first mini. Loved it for reading books, but not so much for Zino magazines, various PDFs that I needed, even web pages. Oh, heck, the occasional comic too. Just too small. I went to the iPad Air to get the size back after it hit 1lb. Two weeks ago i decided I was sick of iPhones and their size (I have big hands) and got a Nexus 5. Loved it so much I just sold the air and got the Tab Pro 10.1. I think the sharpness of current screens nullifies some of the 'lcd' tired eyes syndrome, and I've preferred the ability to turn to night mode in books to something like a paperwhite when it gets dark out.
100% i won't go with the 12in.
Still cannot decide if i want the 10 or 8.
If you are reading primarily books (as I do), there is no real benefit to a 10" tablet. It has more surface area than a page in a hard cover book.
If as mentioned above you read comics or magazines, the bigger surface area is handy.
The benefit of an 8" tablet is that it is extremely portable. I can fit mine into a pocket inside my coat. Try doing that with a 10" tablet...
Love my 8.4 for reading.
Sent from Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4
RobilarOCN said:
I've tried all of the current 8" tablets for extended periods of time for reading. I own (or owned) the mini, the mini retina, the LG G Pad, the Samsung Tab 3 8", the Samsung Note 8", thus Asus Memo HD 8" and currently have the Tab Pro 8.4 on order.
I also had other slightly smaller tablets like the 7.7" Toshiba AT270 and the Samsung 7.7"
They all work fine for reading. Weight with a thin 8" tablet is negligble. In fact if you compare any of these to the top end reader available, the Kobo Aura HD, they only weigh on average about 100 grams more. That is not a big weight delta.
The Samsung tablets (the tab 3 8") and the new Tab Pro all have a reading mode. I used the Tab 3 8" for about 6 months and left it on by default. Wasn't really sure how it helped (or if it did at all).
Two things are important for reading under various conditions, max brightness/dimness and DPI. Max brightness is important if you are reading outside (one of the main reasons I got rid of the LG G Pad), max dimness is handy if you are reading in bed in the dark and don't want to wake up the wife with an 8" flashlight...
DPI, the higher the better as it increases the sharpness of text. As a reference, the Kobo Aura HD is 1440x1080 (6.8") with a DPI of 259. The Tab Pro has a 359 DPI....
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I like using a tablet for reading but I think you've made some unfair comparisons. First, the Aura HD is a "premium" ereader but if you look at the mainstream model, the Aura, you drop the weight from 240g to 174g. That puts the Tab Pro 8.4 at nearly double the weight (174g vs 331g). I use a 2012 Nexus 7 (340g, only slightly heavier than the Tab Pro 8.4)) and a Kindle Paperwhite (206g) for reading. The Nexus 7 is fine, but I will say that for long periods of use the lighter weight of the Paperwhite is much more comfortable. I often find myself leaning the Nexus 7 on something while I never have to do that with the Kindle. And comparing the DPI of an eInk screen vs an LCD doesn't give you a good benchmark of the text quality since they're using two vastly different rendering methods. For text alone I would take the eInk screen at the lower PPI over the LCD at the higher PPI.
That said, a tablet is much more versatile and can even be better for reading if you're not talking about eBooks but various web content as well.I would say the ideal tablet for reading depends a lot on what you plan on reading. If you read a lot of magazines, I might have to recommend something like the iPad Air as the size and aspect ratio make it great for magazines. If it's mostly web content a 10" Android tablet like the Tab Pro would be good since it most closely mimics a laptop display. If it's primarily eBooks the 7" tablets like the 2013 Nexus 7 are great for the lighter weight. Lastly, if you view more of a mix of the above, 8.4" is a great compromise.
Is there a reason the screen looks so bad in certain apps. I have used facebook, ebay, and other shopping apps and the images displayed look very bad, so bad that I want to get rid of the pro 8.4. I returned the 12.2 because I thought it was stretching the images and that was why the images were the way they were, but I have the same issue with the 8.4. I bought both at the same time. Why do the images not look crisp, it has plenty of resolution to output nice images. My ipad mini is far superior to this tablet so far in terms of image quality. I'm considering returning this one too and giving up on android tablets all together.
Anyone?
Open facebook on a ipad,, then open it on the pro...any difference, significant.
Open ebay on a ipad, then open it on the pro...any difference, significant.
Why?
Yet, on my phone, note 2, all looks great.
Not certain, and I don't have my 8.4 with me at the moment.
But my guess is that the Android Facebook, eBay apps you refer to are at a lower resolution than the iPad version. If the app is at a lower resolution, it doesn't matter what res the screen is. Like when you watch a standard definition TV program on an HD television, it looks like crap. On the Note 2, this will look fine as the pixel density is much lower. On the iPad, its easier for app developers to tailor the apps for the screen resolution, since there are only a few different iPad screen resolutions.
So if this is true, its not the fault of the device. Part of the issue may be the Android hardware "fragmentation" that is so often complained about. Or just the laziness on part of the app developers. The apps will probably be updated to a higher resolution, as resolution for Android devices increases across the board. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
There are lots of pros and cons to being on iPad versus Android. And some of those differenes are going to be more or less relevant to you as an individual. I'd weight the benefits in their entirety (as they apply to you), not just screen resolution on a few isolated apps. If iPad is better for you looking at the big picture, then by all means go that route. But otherwise, stick with Android.
Excellent point. Thank u.
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Another reason some images might look bad is because the tablet is such high resolution and has such a good quality display you can notice more JPEG compression on images and other minor defects in webpages ..etc since thats what high quality displays are supposed to do, reveal as much detail as possible, as other displays / might blur or distort the image because of the lower resolution / poor LCD density or add dithering, not to mention some displays aren't SRGB and might make the display more blue or over saturate while they might look better the colors are usually wrong.
I personally own the ipad mini retina model and I find the Samsung tab pro 8.4 has a better display, though the ipad is nice too from a visual standpoint, I don't use facebook but the ebay app, I don't see anything wrong with it they look the same on both the ipad and samsung except the samsung shows more content as it's a widescreen tablet (16:10) where the Ipad is 4:3 (square).
for example
Ipad mini retina (specs of my ipad)
2048 x 1536 = (4:3 QXGA)
Samsung tab pro 8.4
1600 x 2560 = (16:10 WQXGA )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg
^ see here for more details of resolution, WQXGA has about 2 inches of more rendering space then QXGA
Use whatever brings you joy though, they are both great devices I think the apple web browser is much more responsive on certain HTML 5 elements and the Samsung is great for everything else videos, music, tweaking ...etc
I have a galaxy tab s 8.4 and a note 4, spec wise the screens are the same, but the tab s screen looks so much better, can someone tell me why, what am I missing?
From trusted review
this is because Tab S 10.5 has a RGB Stripe display, whereas the 8.4 uses diamond PenTile sub-pixels.
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-10-5-review-screen-software-performance-page-2
Edit: Opps I somehow misread the question as why the 10.5 look better. What do you mean better? More vivid colours? The Tab S has 3 different colour modes, two of which is more vivid.
- The Tab S2 is even thinner then the first generation but lets admit it.. the first generation Tab S is already thin enough! I would be scared having a device even thinner. Also the Tab S2 is now less tall and more wide; which looks a bit odd in my opinion.
- The Tab S2 has 2,048 x 1,536 resolution while the first generation has 2,560 x 1,600 resolution!
- The Tab S2 has no flash while the first generation does.
- The Tab S2 has the Exynos 5433 processor while the first generation has the Exynos 5420.
Which do you think is better? The Tab S or the Tab S2? Vote on each comparison and in general!
i use my tab s for watching movies , music or youtube , the 16:9 aspect ratio is very well suited for that. if your aim to purchase tab for entertainment purpose tab s will be better , for other things like reading or gaming tab s2 maybe better.
The S1 has higher resolution (10.5" has RGB display), larger screen 16:10 (great for watching video) , bigger battery, led flash, infra-red, vibration, stereo speakers when watching video`s
The S2 has a better cpu, it`s smaller and lighter, 4:3 display better for (browsing internet) supposedly.
John.
I wouldn't buy a S2. Deceiving specs and hardware. The S , once well tuned with a kernel booster is still very good if not better than the Tabs 2.
IMO the advantages tab s2 had are bigger internal storage and damn lighter... other than that i like good old tab s better. i got tab s2 but i use my old t705 much much more.
The old Exynos SoC in the Tab S is really showing it's age, especially since it's powering a much higher res screen. Tab S2 has a touch fingerprint scanner vs swipe on the old Tab S, but I don't even use a lockscreen. The Tab S 10.5 is the only tablet with an RGB OLED screen, and I have yet to find a screen I like more.
Another downside of the tab s2 models is the placement of the two speakers at the bottom side. After throwing Viper4Andorid to my tab s 705, the little device is a great sound machine despite its small volume with a true stereo effect as the speakers are at the left and right side in landscape position.
Best, maris
ZimriTech said:
- The Tab S2 is even thinner then the first generation but lets admit it.. the first generation Tab S is already thin enough! I would be scared having a device even thinner. Also the Tab S2 is now less tall and more wide; which looks a bit odd in my opinion.
- The Tab S2 has 2,048 x 1,536 resolution while the first generation has 2,560 x 1,600 resolution!
- The Tab S2 has no flash while the first generation does.
- The Tab S2 has the Exynos 5433 processor while the first generation has the Exynos 5420.
Which do you think is better? The Tab S or the Tab S2? Vote on each comparison and in general!
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1. In my opinion, the Tab S2 is a better tablet if you need to hold it in your hand(s) a lot. The Tab S is still too heavy. While the S2 seems to be made with less premium materials, the use of plastic makes S2 much lighter.
2. If web browsing or ebook reading is a big application for you, then the S2 is also better because its 4:3 aspect ratio screen is much better than the wide screen on the S.
3. The wide screen on the S does make watching videos more enjoyable.
4. The 2016 S2 uses the Snapdragon 652 CPU, which has cores that are approximately 50% faster than the A15 cores in the Tab S.
So my personal view is that the Tab S2 is better than the Tab S for pretty much every purpose except watching video.