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I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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I am curious as to why there is very little dev's supporting the lg g3. The samsung on the other hand is being supported alot almost make me think i made a mistake getting the lg g3 but i do really like the phone. I guess i was spoiled before the lg because i had all htc phones and there was an unbelievable amount of support for the evos. so what do you guys think are we at the height of our support or will there be more devs picking this phone up?
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Yes, more people bought it, so there are more devs.
What exactly you want developed for G3?
Kernels? Nah, you can't jump higher than lg did. It's already optimised. You can, of course, add some GCC flags, change toolchain, etc etc etc... For a marginal improvement, at best. Well, you can add undervolting, some modules (ntfs, gamepads, etc), advanced sound control... What else?..
Roms? Well, developing "only for G3!" roms isn't the best idea. Besides, some popular AOSP roms are already ported to g3, ones that haven't been ported don't even have stable 5.0 builds yet. Modding stock rom is almost impossible right now, apktool doesn't fully support neither 5.0, neither lg's special apk's (two apk's with id of 127 sharing resources? LG-way, lol.), so good custom roms aren't even possible yet.
And no, we won't get more support. If you want tons of support - buy Samsung.
I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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I didnt get that too comming from nexus 5 i was expection great dev support for G3 as i consider it the best smartphone specially compare to Lagsung devices...but most of android users see only benchmarks so they go and buy that plastic piece of awfulness....but G3 has a great support..its better to have little and good rather than have 30 same kernels like it was on N5 community...the only thing i can't get is why at least CM isn't official supported!!
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i agree with both of the posts here and to really answer the first question, there is nothing that i specifically want developed i just was kinda confused as to why the forums are not filled with roms and kernals but you made a good point about saying quality over quantity.. I do really enjoy this phone and consider it the top of the line right now but we will see......
Honestly we have a fair amount of roms at this stage and it will only get better and better but as far as kernels goes I'd wish to see some more with overclocking/undervolting/profiles features in them ..
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Agree fully, had my g3 for just over a week. Bought it from amazon so I have a month to decide.
Phone is terrible for lag, battery usage is woeful.
Perhaps my expectations were too high.
Won't go back to Samsung. Knox has ruined that.
The Moto G Play looks fantastic but no European release.
HTC is speculated to have fantastic new models.
Think the G3 might find itself replaced in the New Year
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Been offered a straight trade for HTC one M8 might take them up on it
As a person coming from Samsung S2, S3, Note 3, I can say that Lg is doing a great job with the G2/G3 stock software! Way better than Samsung! Yes you'll find fingerprint features and some other useless bells and whistles, but LG software is solid, almost lag free, and battery life is king!
During my lifetime with Samsung, I spent most of my time cheating its software with Cyanogenmod.
So, would I be sad to not have the same amount of support on S5? Definitely no! I think what we have is valuable and I haven't felt yet that I need to run away to CM11/12.
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Ive had the phone for a month or so now and while the design specs etc are top notch
The performance is not
I find it to be slow and laggy especially the stock messaging app (i know i can use an alternative)
I have the 16gb version and it always seems to be using 88-90% ram at all times with very minimal apps in use
Cant see it being the fact i have the 2gb ram version as previous phones with 2gb ram have performed much better.
Considering getting rid for anther device
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
I know some have stated they see lag in the UI such as when they open a drawer, or swipe between screens and such. I guess I've never noticed that before, so maybe they come from a different phone that responded better in their eyes. Things that can help are possibly reducing the animation, but a possible issue could be the screen size. This phone packs a lot more pixels in it than the S5, so I could see how rendering on a screen with a larger pixel density could cause this. However, for me, I don't really notice it, and even if it is there, it must not be a huge amount or else I'd notice it.
As for battery life, I don't know what people are expecting. I get at least a days (24 hours) worth. Now, granted I'm running Greenify which has helped me on other phones, so I'm sure that has a hand in it. However, there was a time I wasn't running Greenify at first with this phone and I remember having the phone charged at 100% when I went to bed, took it off the charger, left it on (I used it as an alarm clock plus as my on-call phone) and when I woke up 6+ hours later, it was STILL at 100%. Adding Greenify has helped to prevent apps from wake locking, but that's not the phone's fault. That's how some apps are written and that in and of itself can cause battery drain, but it's even worse if you out-right kill the app/service all the time.
I make and take phone calls (not all day, mind you), I send and receive texts (not every minute). I do play games (Game of War a lot) and that does drain the battery, but that's going to happen on any phone. I've listen to music on my phone, especially when driving to/from work and other errands. One time, I must have logged over 2 hours on Power Amp. I wanted to see how much it drained the battery, so I kept note of where the battery was at when I started listening and where it was when I stopped listening. Over a two hour total period of listening to music, the battery drained 2%. Not bad if you ask me.
I'm just curious because right now, with this phone, I'm getting better battery life than I did with my RAZR MAXX and my RAZR HD phones. This phone I could possibly go two days before charging. After about 36 hours, I'm at 40% battery, so I could probably go another 12 hours, but when I get to 40%, that's when I start charging back up again.
I'm not trying to dispute what people are saying. I'm just curious as to what people are expecting vs. what they are getting (or perceive as getting) from this phone. Again, most of the time, we get generic statements as "battery life sucks" or "it lags". Great. Please back that up with examples because otherwise, it's all in the eye of the beholder as to what great or sucky battery life is and/or what lag is.
Just to show, im currently at 60% after 21 hours of use. That's with phone calls, playing Game of War, texting, etc. I've attached the screenshot as well.
Just comparing to my Note 3, with stock FW but apex launcher.
Battery would last in excess of a day with quite heavy use, games Internet browsing etc. BT always on auto brightness.
Apps would also open instantly or as expected.
The G3 can has a battery life of less than 4hrs with little or no use. Consumes 18-19% in 7hrs overnight.
Finding myself charging the phone at every opportunity.
I know the Note 3 didn't come with qi, but the qi on the G3 is sooo picky. 1mm off and it doesn't charge.
Using stock launcher just pressing home, first the wallpaper loads followed by the icons then the widgets. No what would be called snappy.
And OMG does it get hot!!! For no reason at all. Not playing games, just emails and Web browsing.
So now I am left wondering if the phone is faulty.
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I guess my question with those who see terrible battery life, what is it exactly you expect? I always here "terrible battery life", or "laggy". But no one backs it up with examples.
So, for those that are seeing poor battery life, answer these questions:
What is "poor" in your mind? Please provide a measurement such as you expect x amount of hours.
Exactly what are you using your phone for? Are you playing games for hours, shooting and/or viewing HD videos? Listenting to music?
After x hours of usage, how much battery is left after use (and whatever you were doing)?
For those with lag, answer these questions:
How are defining lag? Where are you seeing it and how are you perceiving it?
What apps do you have installed and how many?
What is the amount of storage you have left?
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I have both "issues".
"poor" is g3's screen-on time on 5.0 while browsing using 4g. 5-5:30 hours on latest firmwares isn't much. It was nearly 7 hours on 4.4.2... I always set brightness to 20% auto, lighting conditions are always same.
I use phone for browsing and listening to locally stored music via Bluetooth. No watching or shooting videos or playing games.
After 5 hours of 4g web browsing i am left with empty battery.
Lag:
I define lag as "animation stuttering". I am seeing it everywhere: Vkontakte, Google Play Store, while opening drawer, switching tasks, etc... It lags often, but not always.
I have 47 user apps installed, 0 additional system apps.
The only apps that keep background services or use alarms are: Aqua mail, LMT, SBH52 smart headset, Titanium backup.
There are 4 apps using GCM for push.
There are 6 accounts (Google, Shazam, Skype, VK, tutu.ru and one money app) at sync section.
And i have got 5.4 gb free out of 25 on intsd. Shouldn't slow down writing much.
A perfect setup, right? But it still lags on official firmware.
I would assume you aren't running anything like Greenify, etc. What it sounds like is there are a lot of wake locks going on. That's where Greenify comes in. I also turn off a lot of syncs as I don't need them. As you can see with my screenshot, 60% is where I was at after 21 hours so thus phone can definitely get good battery life. But, if you do a lot of stuff for hours, no phone can keep it's battery life for long. Also, with the quad hd screen this phone has, that is a big drain, but even then, I'm getting great battery life.
Another thing with going to 5.0, it's best to start fresh. Do a factory data reset and start from scratch. Going from 4.x to 5.0, especially with Lollipop, had a lot of changes underneath the hood. There are others getting better or the same battery life, but i also think it all depends on usage.
I dont know with other guys here.but i am very happy with the lg g3 forums
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I already dumped mine at a huge loss. I would say worst phone ever, but that goes to my first Android, the Moto Backflip. Thank goodness my other phone is a M8.
Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
Only thing i'm having problems with is the fact that the ram is always overload. Used titanium to remove and freeze alot of stuff but still the ram usage is about 1.3 to 1.6gb.
This is on stock rom which is very good to me with no lag and everything an launcher needs.
Battery life from the G3 is very good, on my previous phone I was affraid to leave the house if the battery wasn't filled to 100% with the G3 i left yesterday at 62% and returned from work with still 46% (off course with no heavy use) while my data is always on.
Conclusion for me after a month of use, good value for the money.
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Battery is kinda the only area i don't really have a problem with the phone its not the best but its not the worst
As someone has previously said i also came from a note 3 which in performance blows the G3 out of the water snappy and quick with no lag and instant app openings
Greenify shouldn't be something you should need to do to get rid of lag on a quad core 2.5ghz device with 2GB of ram
Out of the box the thing uses 88% ram considering the actual ROM itself is like 1.6gb just HOW is that possible if the entire contents of the ROM was loaded it into RAM should still only use 76%
Its a high end high spec device extremely poorly calibrated i have an old galaxy S3 that out performs it
To say im bitterly disappointed with this device is an understatement
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Greenify isn't for lag. It's for battery life.
Again, each to his own. I think it all depends on the perception of the user and what they expect and what they've gotten in the past from other phones.
Form me, this phone blows the RAZR MAXX and RAZR HD out of the water, which is what I came from and I get great battery life (well over 36 hours) before I have to recharge. And even then, at 40%, I probably could go another 12 hours but I choose not to.
Just last night, before I went to bed, the phone was at 100%. When I woke up 6 hours later, it went down only 2%, so I had 98% battery left. I've since used it to check email, read the news, played about 45 minutes of Game of War and did some updates via Google Play and I'm at 90%. That's after 9 hours since I last charged. I'd say those are pretty darn good stats for me.
Again, mileage may vary from user to user and what they expect. And from the responses I'm seeing, that's what I'm gathering. Some are saying the phone is great, others say it's okay, and others say it's awful coming from another phone. So, that definitely shows that it's all in the eye of the beholder.
But I appreciate what everyone has posted. It does appear that some who didn't like this phone have been able to find a phone that works great for them. I always try to state why a phone works great "for me" because that's what it is. It's not necessarily going to work great for someone else, but I also don't want to steer someone towards this phone if it doesn't meet their needs, so I try to explain why and how it works for me as I'm the user of this phone, and everyone else might use it differently.
Ciao!
I don't get why a lot of people are complaining about lag and support and s*** like that.
You are getting lag probably because:
(A) You don't know how to use your phone.
(B) You picked up the 16GB model (which only has 2GB RAM
(C) You're not rooted (seriously, who doesn't root their phones nowadays)
When I got this phone, I didn't have it rooted for a month. Everything was smooth despite having a lot of apps installed. It only became a lag machine when I installed Facebook and its Messenger app.
Yes there are lags from time to time, but do iPhones not lag? Of course they do, all phones do. I don't see all you guys' point.
A good phone doesn't need any sort of custom ROM and kernel, etc etc. Mine has always been on Stock ROM and Kernel, minimal lag. iPhone-like smoothness, I must say (but plus good multitasking. iOS multitasking is s***) In fact, when I upgraded to Android 5.0, it got even better.
I have stayed stock most of the time but I always have Greenify installed, (but battery life was still great before rooting and installing Greenify)
You people are just picky.
Not sure why people are seeing 18%+ drop in battery overnight in standby mode. Must either have a lot of synching going on or a misbehaving app or two.
Me, when I'm at home, WiFi is turned on. I have minimal syncing (apps, calendar, google+, photos).
Here is a screenshot I took this morning. When I first woke up, I was down to 98% overnight (was at 100% when I went to bed at midnight and when I woke at 6:30 am, it dropped only 2%).
At the time I took this screenshot, I had already read the news, did some updates, checked emails, and played about 30 minutes of Game of War and I was down to 94%. That seems like good battery life to me.
Of course, if you really want to improve the battery life of this phone, maybe you can go to Amazon and get this upgrade for the G3:
http://www.amazon.com/Warranty-Zero...id=1411938311&sr=8-1&keywords=zerolemon+lg+g3
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I can't make a poll thread from Tapatalk I guess, so I'm just looking for comments.
I got the notice to download the 5.0 update today. I'm hesitant to do so due to the many issues reported for other devices. I have a 2012 Nexus 7 that had serious issues until google released the update to 5.1. I do not want to repeat that experience (it took months of waiting).
I have the US version of the 8.4 inch Tab S.
For those of you who have installed the update, have you noticed any issues, specifically memory related? I am not looking for opinions about whether you like Lolipop, so I would request only comments regarding what differences, if any, you notice in how the tablet is running after the update.
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I have the U.S. Tab S 8.4 WiFi and updated to Lollipop. It's running smooth and snappier than KitKat. I haven't noticed any memory issues with it. Battery life is good so far, on par with how it was under KitKat for me.
Thanks. I would hope samsung would make certain the update would not cause this problem, but you never know! It's pretty well documented at this point.
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Mine reboots constantly. Garbage.
So we've got one person who updated without problems and one who is having reboots. Who else has taken the update and what experience did you have?
Also, does anybody know what the options are to downgrade if it turns out that 5.0 does have a lot of problems?
No problems on my S 8.4. I also have Touchwiz Lollipop (5.0.1) on my Galaxy S4 with no problems. I read somewhere that the memory leak issue was only a problem on AOSP builds, not OEM (Samsung, HTC, etc) releases. I don't know if that's true. I'm 100% happy with Lollipop on my S 8.4.
all good here. like the changes from lollipop and touchwiz doesn't seem as bad from what people make it out to be. wish you could uninstall some apps tho.
Originally, I had a 2012 Nexus 7. After installing 5.0, it became unusable. I tried almost everything I read to no avail. Actually, it had started slowing down and having and having random app crashes b4 that, but it got much worse after installing 5.0
I gave up on it and bought the Tab 8.4, which I'm loving. Several weeks later, I went back to the Nexus 7 and used Wug's Toolkit to wipe and install 5.1.1. That has actually seemed to fix my issues with that tablet. Now I'm thinking perhaps I didn't need to get the Samsung, but oh well. I like the larger screen (I always said tablets should come in 8 inches, not 7), the rear camera, and the responsiveness. I'm keeping it!
Because of my negative experience with 5.0, I was hesitant to install this update. However, I installed it yesterday and so far (after 24 hours), it seems to be fine. I like being able to see my notifications on the lock screen again. It still appears to be snappy. It has not been long enough for me to judge battery time yet. So far it looks good.
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all good here. like the changes from lollipop and touchwiz doesn't seem as bad from what people make it out to be. wish you could uninstall some apps tho.
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Why not root it? Then you could uninstall anything you want to.
After the update it was all good with my tablet, smoth and fast.
Now it's getting worse, Nova launcher is always crashing, sometimes it reboots by itself, lag came back and some apps freeze...
I hope that Samsung release a new update.
Does the OTA update work with root installed?, I have the T800.
John.
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Why not root it? Then you could uninstall anything you want to.
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There's some apps/games that don't work on rooted devices so I had to keep it stock.
I updated OTA to 5.02 and had no problems. Tab is as quick as before.
I noticed a slight increase in ram usage (from around 1400 to 1700 mb) Now after medium use it hangs around 2GB. Until now I didnt see a problem with that.
Battery usage seems a little better (but thats alway subjective) I had a problem that the charging percentage went from 85% to 100 % in a couple a minutes. Now, connected to USB it charges 1% every 5-6 minutes. and it does so also from 85%-100% There are some slight things I dont like about 5 but again thats to subjective.
One of the things I loke is that its now possible to switch of notifications per app. I hated apps that which me "Goodbye and hope to see you soon, sleep well, say hello to your wife"
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I updated OTA to 5.02 and had no problems. Tab is as quick as before.
I noticed a slight increase in ram usage (from around 1400 to 1700 mb) Now after medium use it hangs around 2GB. Until now I didnt see a problem with that.
Battery usage seems a little better (but thats alway subjective) I had a problem that the charging percentage went from 85% to 100 % in a couple a minutes. Now, connected to USB it charges 1% every 5-6 minutes. and it does so also from 85%-100% There are some slight things I dont like about 5 but again thats to subjective.
One of the things I loke is that its now possible to switch of notifications per app. I hated apps that which me "Goodbye and hope to see you soon, sleep well, say hello to your wife"
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So, if I understand, you're saying that you're seeing higher RAM usage with 5.0, but it hasn't caused any problem? Also, for me charging on KitKat is very fast. Does your tab charge as fast on Lollipop as it did before?
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So, if I understand, you're saying that you're seeing higher RAM usage with 5.0, but it hasn't caused any problem? Also, for me charging on KitKat is very fast. Does your tab charge as fast on Lollipop as it did before?
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that is correct,. i see higher ram usage but no ill effect
on usb it charges approx the same kitkat and lollipop 1.% every 5 6 minutes i hardly ever charge on charger but that is a lot quicker
After three days I agree with HANSB57. However, my opinion is completely subjective. I have not measured anything.
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Unstable after OTA lollipop update on Samsung Tab S 8.4
HANSB57 said:
that is correct,. i see higher ram usage but no ill effect
on usb it charges approx the same kitkat and lollipop 1.% every 5 6 minutes i hardly ever charge on charger but that is a lot quicker
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I also experience frequent reboots using certain apps or even general Web browsing. I just restored to factory default so I will see if things improve. So far I've already experienced one crash after doing this. Hopefully a follow up update is in the works.
Hey fellas!
Just got a new G4 to replace my Nexus 5, and I'm encountering some heavily disappointing performance issues like:
poor 3D performance - games like Boom Beach and Smash Hit run just... bad. mediocre/low fps gaming, where my Nexus 5 did perfectly fine!
2D performance (UI) - sometimes laggy UI transitions, typing really quick with SwiftKey keyboard is impossible, it's like the phone can't keep up with what I'm clicking fast, feels majorly laggy.
Anything I'm missing? and low performance/battery saving settings I'm missing? what's happening... oO
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Hey fellas!
Just got a new G4 to replace my Nexus 5, and I'm encountering some heavily disappointing performance issues like:
poor 3D performance - games like Boom Beach and Smash Hit run just... bad. mediocre/low fps gaming, where my Nexus 5 did perfectly fine!
2D performance (UI) - sometimes laggy UI transitions, typing really quick with SwiftKey keyboard is impossible, it's like the phone can't keep up with what I'm clicking fast, feels majorly laggy.
Anything I'm missing? and low performance/battery saving settings I'm missing? what's happening... oO
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There's an option somewhere to lower graphics in games to save battery...its on by default...at least on h811 it is...also in dev options changing all animations to .5 or off fixes any laggy experience
Thanks, seems to help a bit, but it's right on the fine line between actually helping and just a placebo.
I mean, some really visually simple games (Smash Hit) shouldn't run with such low fps, especially not when considering the Nexus 5 ran it perfect.
What about the rest of the UI?
I suspect that some of the problems I'm having with SwiftKey are software related (might not be optimized for G4 yet?), since I'm noticing some other unrelated performance bugs in it; emailed that to them.
I got H815L myself and it's pretty good.
What's your Antutu score?
Personal experience with Swiftkey is it isn't optimised very well at all and only runs properly with a handfull of phones if at all. I gave up on it a long time ago.
As for UI performance, I haven't noticed any lag yet. Games run great too.
I would point the finger at the Apps you're using and make sure you've updated the software on the phone to the latest version.
The nexus phones feel less laggy because the transition animations are so slooooow just like on iphones, and it's just there to hide any lag as it takes so long to open and close the apps.
You'll get used to G4 I have no doubt
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There's an option somewhere to lower graphics in games to save battery...its on by default...at least on h811 it is...also in dev options changing all animations to .5 or off fixes any laggy experience
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Personal experience with Swiftkey is it isn't optimised very well at all and only runs properly with a handfull of phones if at all. I gave up on it a long time ago.
As for UI performance, I haven't noticed any lag yet. Games run great too.
I would point the finger at the Apps you're using and make sure you've updated the software on the phone to the latest version.
The nexus phones feel less laggy because the transition animations are so slooooow just like on iphones, and it's just there to hide any lag as it takes so long to open and close the apps.
You'll get used to G4 I have no doubt
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I got 49081 on Antutu, and I'm running v10H and all my apps are updated.
I do suspect it's the keyboard app itself messing around with me, because I see several more bugs except for the weird latency.
And just for comparison, the game Smash Hit (on HIGH set on graphics) runs choppy with a Nexus 5 running it perfectly.
I know and understand Android, but why do I need to get a new $500+ phone with new hardware only to find out my 2 years older phone is more "optimized"?
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Hey fellas!
Just got a new G4 to replace my Nexus 5, and I'm encountering some heavily disappointing performance issues like:
poor 3D performance - games like Boom Beach and Smash Hit run just... bad. mediocre/low fps gaming, where my Nexus 5 did perfectly fine!
2D performance (UI) - sometimes laggy UI transitions, typing really quick with SwiftKey keyboard is impossible, it's like the phone can't keep up with what I'm clicking fast, feels majorly laggy.
Anything I'm missing? and low performance/battery saving settings I'm missing? what's happening... oO
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Not missing anything. Is called lg g4.
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oh thanks bro.
most helpful reply of the week.
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I got 49081 on Antutu, and I'm running v10H and all my apps are updated.
I do suspect it's the keyboard app itself messing around with me, because I see several more bugs except for the weird latency.
And just for comparison, the game Smash Hit (on HIGH set on graphics) runs choppy with a Nexus 5 running it perfectly.
I know and understand Android, but why do I need to get a new $500+ phone with new hardware only to find out my 2 years older phone is more "optimized"?
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Man idk...maybe some bloat or config issue but i installed smash hit(never played til you mentioned it so thanks for giving me a new addiction)and it ran smooth even on high graphics...my h811 has same hardware and my antutu was much higher...my g4 has been my favorite device since my g2...the g3 was a pile and i hated it...you will have to check out whats clogging up your processing...something isn't right...if all else fails try backing up data and factory reset...many have reported this to solve many issues good luck!
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Man idk...maybe some bloat or config issue but i installed smash hit(never played til you mentioned it so thanks for giving me a new addiction)and it ran smooth even on high graphics...my h811 has same hardware and my antutu was much higher...my g4 has been my favorite device since my g2...the g3 was a pile and i hated it...you will have to check out whats clogging up your processing...something isn't right...if all else fails try backing up data and factory reset...many have reported this to solve many issues good luck!
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Weird that you got 50k+ on antutu, most of the reviews I Google's were about 41k+.
How can I check what's choking the device?
I have nothing special installed; opened the box, turned the phone on, updated the latest OTA and then all my apps - games and some other stuff but nothing heavy that I didn't have on my N5...
Maybe I'll try to factory reset the phone some day next week and see the results.
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Weird that you got 50k+ on antutu, most of the reviews I Google's were about 41k+.
How can I check what's choking the device?
I have nothing special installed; opened the box, turned the phone on, updated the latest OTA and then all my apps - games and some other stuff but nothing heavy that I didn't have on my N5...
Maybe I'll try to factory reset the phone some day next week and see the results.
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Download a wakelock detector or something to see whats stayin active that isn't necessary...also are you rooted...if not you may want to do that...it will allow you to freeze and remove unnecessary and memory hogging apps and will give you a boost...i got rid of a lot of those day 1 and have had a great experience with my g4...we shouldn't have to do this to get the best out of this device but its the way android has gone...also with root you can try ctt mod and other performance boosters to really get the best experience...you can also get better battery life without the extra junk processes running in the back...there are many threads to teach you what can be done with the g4
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Man idk...maybe some bloat or config issue but i installed smash hit(never played til you mentioned it so thanks for giving me a new addiction)and it ran smooth even on high graphics...my h811 has same hardware and my antutu was much higher...my g4 has been my favorite device since my g2...the g3 was a pile and i hated it...you will have to check out whats clogging up your processing...something isn't right...if all else fails try backing up data and factory reset...many have reported this to solve many issues good luck!
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Download a wakelock detector or something to see whats stayin active that isn't necessary...also are you rooted...if not you may want to do that...it will allow you to freeze and remove unnecessary and memory hogging apps and will give you a boost...i got rid of a lot of those day 1 and have had a great experience with my g4...we shouldn't have to do this to get the best out of this device but its the way android has gone...also with root you can try ctt mod and other performance boosters to really get the best experience...you can also get better battery life without the extra junk processes running in the back...there are many threads to teach you what can be done with the g4
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Yeah, I pretty much know most of the basics of all the advanced tweaking, but since I have H815L the bootloader is locked, so rooting it is a bit pain in the ass.
Someday next week I'll just factory reset it and check again.
Thanks bud!
well ok.
Just did a factory reset and... Nothing.
So friggin disappointing, im completely clueless now.
right when the phone started up (completely blank after reset), downloaded and installed Boom Beach and Smash Hit, and the performance was still bad. Im so annoyed.
What the hell should i do? Why is my BRAND NEW phone is having poor 3D performance?
NuclearBastard said:
well ok.
Just did a factory reset and... Nothing.
So friggin disappointing, im completely clueless now.
right when the phone started up (completely blank after reset), downloaded and installed Boom Beach and Smash Hit, and the performance was still bad. Im so annoyed.
What the hell should i do? Why is my BRAND NEW phone is having poor 3D performance?
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Root it and bump up lower clock speed on big/little cores with kernel audiutor...it will reduce lag and actually save battery as small processes cause it to jump around a lot on factory settings...short of doing this idk...
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Weird that you got 50k+ on antutu,
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It means his device is running cooler than yours. He mentioned some tweaks to keep heat down.
There is also the CTT mod (in development)but it requires root.
most of the reviews I Google's were about 41k+.
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Actually i just checked 3 different reviews and the avg antutue score for the G4 is 49k. if you run antutu back to back 3-4 times it will drop to 44k. If it wont rise above 45k then it indicates a heating device with throttling.
How can I check what's choking the device?
I have nothing special installed; opened the box, turned the phone on, updated the latest OTA and then all my apps - games and some other stuff but nothing heavy that I didn't have on my N5...
Maybe I'll try to factory reset the phone some day next week and see the results.
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How is your battery life in general sot/run time ?
can you try playing your games in a low light environment. So your brightness will be much lower. Do you notice any difference ?
I've had the phone for a total of about 4 days now, SOT seems about 3-4 hours, better than my N5 so I'm happy so far.
Tried gaming with low light / cold environments, doesn't seem to change anything.
Not sure about the throttling, due to the fact that the device is actually pretty cold... not sensing any extreme heat (my N5 was way hotter).
After that factory reset I get about 48k on Antutu, and I actually tried two different "heavy" games (NOVA3 and Asphalt 8) and they run OK...
I genuinely have no idea what's the problem, so instead of rooting and tweaking stuff that seem to not have to be tweaked for others, I'll just wait till I get back home and compare the gaming performance with friends' devices.
If something goes wrong - warranty it is.
Man, I feel you! Been dealing with laggy UI and cursing my choice of purchase since day one. Anyways..
For games - have you disabled 'Game Optimzer' option from 'Battery & Power Saving'?
For laggy UI - Swiftkey is laggy as ****. So try Fleksy, it's a LOT smoother, I barely notice any lag (although it does hiccup once in a while...). As for general performance, you have to accept that some animations will be choppy - that's just how LG UI works, there is no work around. For me the phone was chugging a lot before I uninstalled Inbox by Gmail, after that the phone regained it's speed and it's pretty damn smooth now. It still stutters here and there but ...what to do. Also try delobating it and removing any unnecessary apps and services (you don't need to root for this).
OK so some updates.
Rooted the phone, debloated the s**t out of it, even managed to got to 5h 2m screen-on time with that lol.
Tried to tweak lots of other things as wellwell, got me some great bootloops in the process. eventually I practically totally wiped the system and flashed a 100% clean one.
Smash hit (on High setting in graphics) and Boom Beach still work a bit choppy.
NOVA3 seems to work ok.
AnTuTu is about 50.5k.
I seriously can't figure out what's the problem.
the 2d phone UI seems almost perfect, and the benchmark score seems OK.
What the hell could be wrong?
Is there any more testing (games/benchmarks/logs) I could do to try and figure this out?
It's going to take me another week till I go back to my country to check with a different H815L. Asked a friend with the US model, she claims Smash Hit works flawlessly fluid. can't understand that.
I find it funny, the fact that I might ask for an under-under-warrenty device replacement just because couple of games run bad.
Hoping the XDA gods would help me in some way, before heading the noob warranty-for-nothing route.
Thanks!
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OK so some updates.
Rooted the phone, debloated the s**t out of it, even managed to got to 5h 2m screen-on time with that lol.
Tried to tweak lots of other things as wellwell, got me some great bootloops in the process. eventually I practically totally wiped the system and flashed a 100% clean one.
Smash hit (on High setting in graphics) and Boom Beach still work a bit choppy.
NOVA3 seems to work ok.
AnTuTu is about 50.5k.
I seriously can't figure out what's the problem.
the 2d phone UI seems almost perfect, and the benchmark score seems OK.
What the hell could be wrong?
Is there any more testing (games/benchmarks/logs) I could do to try and figure this out?
It's going to take me another week till I go back to my country to check with a different H815L. Asked a friend with the US model, she claims Smash Hit works flawlessly fluid. can't understand that.
I find it funny, the fact that I might ask for an under-under-warrenty device replacement just because couple of games run bad.
Hoping the XDA gods would help me in some way, before heading the noob warranty-for-nothing route.
Thanks!
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Dude i has the g4 H815L and it is works fine but maybe it becouse the root.
I has the device for few months with stock version of lg and my g4 works very good and when i play games like Goat Simulator he got hot if not very hot but if your device don't get hot becouse of games so for sure you won't get high preformance.
Plus my bettery works fine and my phone can work perfectly and smothly with smart watch and survive one day with out any problames.
NuclearBastard said:
OK so some updates.
Rooted the phone, debloated the s**t out of it, even managed to got to 5h 2m screen-on time with that lol.
Tried to tweak lots of other things as wellwell, got me some great bootloops in the process. eventually I practically totally wiped the system and flashed a 100% clean one.
Smash hit (on High setting in graphics) and Boom Beach still work a bit choppy.
NOVA3 seems to work ok.
AnTuTu is about 50.5k.
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Every CPU (SoC) is unique. Remember, even two identical CPUs can deliver different benchmark results, thus have different real world performance. Unless there's a software issue you haven't found out about yet, it's also likely that you just got a bad one.
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Hoping the XDA gods would help me in some way, before heading the noob warranty-for-nothing route.
Thanks!
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Don't even hesitate. You paid for it hard earned money under the condition that it works as stated and advertised by LG. Now, as you told us, it does not. See my point?
I know my way around Android well enough I could probably teach a class. I've been excited for the Marshmallow update for my Verizon M9, mostly for the security update. Now I've got it, and udderly hate it. Not only is this marshmallow über soft and squishy, it's somehow managed to swallow the majority of my CPU--much like BOB from Monsters vs Aliens. Actually, the update is more like BOB than a delicious couple of calories. Tremendous lag from god knows where, constant freezing and other **** when in hpm--whether it be plugged in or not--which often crashes apps altogether or causes a reboot, keyboard latency of about 1.5seconds, network disconnecting when the device exceeds 120℉, ooh!, and the cherry on top: loss of data. I use my phone for both business/class-related stuff and for gaming/pleasure(shh, creeps) because I'm too broke to buy anything else. The front-facing speakers get glitcy and doing that pausing crap like when you drive outta radio range in a car. This was never a problem with Lollipop, but is making Android a living hell to deal with. MHL has yet to work on Marshmallow, and instead simply crashes the phone. Again. Can't find ANYthing ANYwhere about this. Both Verizon and HTC are refusing to talk to me directly about it; keep getting passed to the next rep, who tries to put me through their template of troubleshooting steps. Wiping cache partition worked...for all of ten minutes. If that. HTC wants to take my phone for two weeks, which won't work due to classes.
Full stock M9. I use App Mgr III for new moving apps quickly, App Cache Cleaner because I'm lazy, and Greenify to kill some stuff that I've got, e.g., Ingress, Skype, snapchat. Greenify does NOT allow killing of bloatware/pre-installed crap, so let me tape the mouths of those twits shut now. Most pre-installed apps, including all but two of the Verizon things, are disabled.
The game I notice the most trouble on is Walking War Robots, can't tell if it has to do with graphics or the processor itself. Chrome browser is quite laggy; Drive is almost unresponsive as is Docs; have lost quite a bit of data from Microsoft Word, both saved and documents being worked on. Reception is also quite a bit worse with the Marshmallow update, calls being dropped more frequently and location often having trouble pinpointing me on high-accuracy.
As I do NOT have a computer, reseting the device is not an option. The recaptcha thingy took almost 30 seconds to load; on Lollipop, they took less than five.
I fully agree with you. My experience with marshmallow has only been negative so far.
1) Incredibly Laggy. Back in the day, installing a kitkat or lollipop rom, the phone would be super fluid and would only slightly lag when installing the 50 apps. God forbid when I was installing marshmallow it seriously hung like 5 seconds and was going at maximum 10fps.
2) Heat. The phone appears to get even warmer now. How is that even possible?
3) Battery Life. My battery appears to be 10% worse. I used to only charge it at night but now I have to charge it after work around 8pm.
I do have some hope though. I'm waiting for Neo or Santod to compile a debloated rom and hoping that clears up these issues.
I was experiencing terrible lag, it seems to be settling down now. I was overheating, but that seems to have settled as well. Biggest problem is that I'm only charging at 550mA with a 2A quick charger. That's new, and totally unacceptable. Also, HTC emojis are gone. All I have are the stupid jellybean/potato looking guys and I can't decipher which emotion they are trying to relay. Chics dig emojis, and here I am feeling emoji blind.
Edit: Lag is still terrible
In the same boat.. this update is not good. This phone is so laggy and slow now it's like my OG Droid 1 from years ago. Cleared cache after installing.. waited the obligatory 45 minutes to rebuild stuff. Uninstalled the bloatware I could and it literally took minutes to do a simple uninstall. Hasn't got any better in the last day at all. If it doesn't get better in the next day or two I'll have to go back to Lollipop. This is probably the most buggy, laggy, battery killing Android update I've seen on any of my Android phones since Droid 1 days. Anyone else getting this or know of any kind of fix? I just can't imagine HTC and VZW pushed this out if problems like these are a common occurrence.
I FIGURED IT OUT GUYS?!!
So ViperROM just put out version 4.3.0.
I always thought ViperROM was some weird bloated ROM with weird features so i never gave it a go, but its basically a slimmed down HTC SENSE with a small amount of tweaks. My phone is BUTTERY smooth now. =)
Yeah, I've thought about pulling the trigger w/ Venom rom but I wanted to stay just stock rooted on my M9. If you install viper rom do you have to factory reset? I just despise doing that so much and don't want to if I don't have to. If it doesn't get better in the next day or two, I'll probably give viper a go with a full wipe.
On a side note, is this a fairly common issue with this update and the M9?? Some are saying in the other thread theirs is nice and smooth.
I was having many heat/lag issues as described above when I flashed the zip dirty or clean. I had to do a RUU with the MM update. Now it's super smooth. Still get lots of heat when the system is booting up for the first time/settling in. But after that, no issues.
how is everyone's battery with this? Mine is absolutely horrible! Just this morning sitting here.. 3 hours, down to 78% already and haven't even done anything very intensive with it. Few messages on Whatsapp, texts, a picture. This phone sucks right now. Yesterday only lasted about 10 hours with normal use. Before I would get at least a normal day out of it without worrying. What the hell is going on with MM that is sucking the life out of this phone?
baune7 said:
Yeah, I've thought about pulling the trigger w/ Venom rom but I wanted to stay just stock rooted on my M9. If you install viper rom do you have to factory reset? I just despise doing that so much and don't want to if I don't have to. If it doesn't get better in the next day or two, I'll probably give viper a go with a full wipe.
On a side note, is this a fairly common issue with this update and the M9?? Some are saying in the other thread theirs is nice and smooth.
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Yea you will have to root. The thing is, Venom is literally a STOCK rooted M9 that has all bloat cut away and 1 small app for additional features (like changing status bar and power button for flashlight.). It is well worth it.
baune7 said:
how is everyone's battery with this? Mine is absolutely horrible! Just this morning sitting here.. 3 hours, down to 78% already and haven't even done anything very intensive with it. Few messages on Whatsapp, texts, a picture. This phone sucks right now. Yesterday only lasted about 10 hours with normal use. Before I would get at least a normal day out of it without worrying. What the hell is going on with MM that is sucking the life out of this phone?
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Try Venom Rom. I had so many issues with Verizon MM that I gave up on it.
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Try Venom Rom. I had so many issues with Verizon MM that I gave up on it.
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I've also had better luck with Venom. I just flashed it about 8 hours ago but the lag is gone (so far). Charging on a quick charger still sucks. Haven't been able to gauge battery life yet. No overheating.
Update: My battery is discharging at -1650mA.
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I've also had better luck with Venom. I just flashed it about 8 hours ago but the lag is gone (so far). Charging on a quick charger still sucks. Haven't been able to gauge battery life yet. No overheating.
Update: My battery is discharging at -1650mA.
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Keep checking. It shouldn't be discharging that much unless your tethering on full brightness
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Keep checking. It shouldn't be discharging that much unless your tethering on full brightness
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It spikes and dips. On average it drains around around 600-800mA. No tethering, 50% brightness. Never had this issue til M. Crazy.
mcampos7 said:
It spikes and dips. On average it drains around around 600-800mA. No tethering, 50% brightness. Never had this issue til M. Crazy.
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I just tested mine on Venom and with around 25 percent brightness using Facebook on WiFi I'm getting 250mA drain MAX
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I'm also on the elemental kernel
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I just tested mine on Venom and with around 25 percent brightness using Facebook on WiFi I'm getting 250mA drain MAX
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-450mA atm using xda app & hangouts
Now -60
-320
Anyone having problems after the stock VERIZON MM OTA needs to do a FACTORY RESET.
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I can barely get my phone to charge. I'm going back to L. If I nand back, do I need to flash 5.1 firmware or isn't hate covered in the nand?
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Anyone having problems after the stock VERIZON MM OTA needs to do a FACTORY RESET.
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This.
Guys, I finally did do the factory reset despite how much I hate having to do that. From both inside android, and from within TWRP just to be sure. It made the world of difference. I know having to re-install and set up all your apps is a huge pain the ass, but it seriously made a huge difference. Mine lasted 1 day, 13 hours with my typical usage and was still at like 9-10% I think when I re-charged it. Everything is back to working really smooth, no lag, and no heating issues. Something left over from before doesn't play nice at all with the new ROM. Hope this might help if you guys decide to stay on stock.
4.3 Request
im_high_tech said:
I FIGURED IT OUT GUYS?!!
So ViperROM just put out version 4.3.0.
I always thought ViperROM was some weird bloated ROM with weird features so i never gave it a go, but its basically a slimmed down HTC SENSE with a small amount of tweaks. My phone is BUTTERY smooth now. =)
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Question i have went to the Viper website and i can not find the 4.3 rom just able to download 4.2 please tell me where am i going wrong thanks?
c5satellite2 said:
Anyone having problems after the stock VERIZON MM OTA needs to do a FACTORY RESET.
Sent from my HTC One_M8 using XDA Free mobile app
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Mmmm, but my original post was about the M9. Not the M8. They're similar, but the M8 has a superior processor. Imo it'd be amaz to have my custom (and unfortunately shattered) M8's processors and RAM in my M9. Fix all these issues. But, alas.....
baune7 said:
This.
Guys, I finally did do the factory reset despite how much I hate having to do that. From both inside android, and from within TWRP just to be sure. It made the world of difference. I know having to re-install and set up all your apps is a huge pain the ass, but it seriously made a huge difference. Mine lasted 1 day, 13 hours with my typical usage and was still at like 9-10% I think when I re-charged it. Everything is back to working really smooth, no lag, and no heating issues. Something left over from before doesn't play nice at all with the new ROM. Hope this might help if you guys decide to stay on stock.
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In scale, that prolly equates to about 70% of my normal day, minus gaming. Right now I'm getting through about 30% of my day, minus gaming, before needing a charge. Even with QC, charging takes about 40% longer than it did on Lollipop.
Still neither factory reset nor rooting is an option, as I have nothing to back my stuff up on. No, the local library isn't kind enough to me for that lol.
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Question i have went to the Viper website and i can not find the 4.3 rom just able to download 4.2 please tell me where am i going wrong thanks?
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https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24421527759884409
I have a P3XL that's roughly 1 year old. It's seriously slow and laggy and stutters like none other. If i'm in Chrome and browsing reddit, it can crash from having a long page of images open. Using simultaneous apps like Spotify and Instagram kills the phone. I was using flashlight and making a call at the same time and it crashed.
I originally used stock, that was the same. Switched to Havoc OS and it's pretty much the same. I can only guess this is from poor RAM management. Battery life is crap now too. Doesn't last me till 6:00PM on a low usage day.
Any ROM suggestions? Or is there something here i'm missing? 4GB should be enough... the P2XL was absolutely fine but this is atrocious. I frequently want to toss this device across the room.
You may have a bad battery which is causing voltage/amperage problems and glitching. If you've already done a fresh clean install of the factory OS and still have issues that'd be my next guess.
Did you regularly run it below 20% or until dead?
Yeah I gotta say that sounds a battery issue or something else going on. I've been running stock Android 9 rooted with Kira kernel for about half a year now and although there is still a lot of reloading (especially when using chrome or internet browsers with lot of tabs open) it's still snappy and reloads quick. I've never had anything crash.
Unfortunately I have no clue how to test a battery for proper amperage. I know 2 ways to get an estimate on capacity with accubattery and extracting it from a bug report but I don't know if that will help with identify it or not.
It sounds almost identical to the same issue I had with my LG V20 which was a bad battery that would randomly shut down with around 15-25% capacity left when it got that low and when I changed the battery it fixed it
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You may have a bad battery which is causing voltage/amperage problems and glitching. If you've already done a fresh clean install of the factory OS and still have issues that'd be my next guess.
Did you regularly run it below 20% or until dead?
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I guess it could be a bad battery causing voltage issues. I have done a fresh clean install of factory OS, and still have issues. I would say i'm average when it comes to running it below 20%. I don't do that often, but sometimes it does. I rarely let it die completely.
Best scenario would be to go through Google Support?
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Yeah I gotta say that sounds a battery issue or something else going on. I've been running stock Android 9 rooted with Kira kernel for about half a year now and although there is still a lot of reloading (especially when using chrome or internet browsers with lot of tabs open) it's still snappy and reloads quick. I've never had anything crash.
Unfortunately I have no clue how to test a battery for proper amperage. I know 2 ways to get an estimate on capacity with accubattery and extracting it from a bug report but I don't know if that will help with identify it or not.
It sounds almost identical to the same issue I had with my LG V20 which was a bad battery that would randomly shut down with around 15-25% capacity left when it got that low and when I changed the battery it fixed it
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Yeah, mine is crashing hard. Hard enough that it's one of the poorest performance phones i've ever had. And that's saying a lot lol.
I'll try to use accubattery today to see what I get. It doesn't shut down at 15% thankfully.
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Yeah, mine is crashing hard. Hard enough that it's one of the poorest performance phones i've ever had. And that's saying a lot lol.
I'll try to use accubattery today to see what I get. It doesn't shut down at 15% thankfully.
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My V20 wouldn't always die at those ranges but it happened pretty frequently. Do you notice a difference with it plugged in?
I would definitely start from scratch if you really want to troubleshoot this. Backup everything then flash a stock system image from Google with the wipe all command and start from there and see. If it still does it then it is most likely a hardware issue.
Sounds more like a cache problem to me.....dodgy nand chip. Needs to be replaced no matter whats causing it. If you cant get rid of it after trying everything including swapping the active boot slot from a to be or vise versa
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Sounds more like a cache problem to me.....dodgy nand chip. Needs to be replaced no matter whats causing it. If you cant get rid of it after trying everything including swapping the active boot slot from a to be or vise versa
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Thanks for the suggestions and information. I'll try this. Thanks everyone else!