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Bloat, How much?

I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?

serialtoon said:
I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?
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Around 3 T-Mobile apps and preloaded apps like lookout (most irritating), box and few others. Overall not that much.

serialtoon said:
I had an LG G3 on AT&T for about 2 days then i returned it as i want to be able to unlock the bootloader in the future. I am considering picking up a Tmobile version and since we dont have root yet, id like to get a gauge of just how much bloat is on the T-Mobile version of this phone. Can someone make a quick list?
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Yup, also have an AT&T version (which is going back today) had to disable over 20 bloatware apps out of the box, no joke! I got the T-Mobile version tonight, and as the other guy above said, only 3-4 bloat apps to disable!
Also, my T-Mobile version is noticeably much less laggy than the AT&T version... not sure if it's because of all the crap they put on there or if it was some hardware issues on that particular phone.

Bloat is minimal. You'll be annoyed at first until you go through and disable all the intrusive notifications mostly lookout as previously mentioned and the T-Mobile accounts and network health stuff.
So our T-Mobile g3 bootloaders come unlocked?

Its very minimal, surprisingly.

Punchatron said:
Bloat is minimal. You'll be annoyed at first until you go through and disable all the intrusive notifications mostly lookout as previously mentioned and the T-Mobile accounts and network health stuff.
So our T-Mobile g3 bootloaders come unlocked?
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yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.

wavrunrx said:
yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.
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THAT's RIGHT!!!
I am just waiting for it all to happen then I will start the rooting conquest. Got the phone soon as it came out. Loving it thus far, runs very smooth and fast, great pics, great sounds so far its living up to the hype even better. Haven't tried live recording yet

can you guys give a list of what you uninstalled?
I did box, but not sure about the textlink, thinkfree and voice mate. what is textlink?
Is voicemate the voice command?
I want to get rid of the t-mobile apps, like my account, tv and name id. Can't wait for root to get rid of those.

aimfire72 said:
Yup, also have an AT&T version (which is going back today) had to disable over 20 bloatware apps out of the box, no joke! I got the T-Mobile version tonight, and as the other guy above said, only 3-4 bloat apps to disable!
Also, my T-Mobile version is noticeably much less laggy than the AT&T version... not sure if it's because of all the crap they put on there or if it was some hardware issues on that particular phone.
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20 apps?!? It's so irritating to see that this is still happening.
This is an obvious indication that carriers continue to simply look at the phones they offer to customers as just another way to pull even more revenue from the pockets of those who already pay way too much for the services to begin with. I'm glad to see at least one carrier (T-Mobile) has calmed down on this bull****.

wavrunrx said:
yes;
sofar the t-mobile LG G3's have proven to be superior to all other carriers in every way.
1 - Unlocked Bootloader
2 - EASILY rootable
3 - little stock Bloat
4 - better screens (far fewer reports of sharpening and dimness)
tmobile is boss.
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The sharpening is on every G3 model. It's a software "feature," not hardware.

Unlocked T-Mobile Update query

Hello Everyone. I have purchased a LG G3 D851 (TMobile) unlocked from Dubai and intend to use it at India. I am worried about
1. Are the wireless and NFC chips different from the D855. D855 has 2 connectors while D851 has 4. Can I use D855 Back Panel on the D851 and vice versa.
2. Since it is unlocked, will the updates come from LG or should I wait for T-Mobile to send the updates.
As it is a quadband phone, there should not be any carrier issues.
And finally, why does LG G3 not include wireless charging off the box in USA like they do all over the world?
Your inputs will be much appreciated and will also help fellow xda folks as there is not much of talk about the differences between D851 and D855.
Cheers,
Karthik

Just found out that the D851 does not have any t-mobile markings on the mobile back cover or box. Infact even while switching on there is no t-mobile logo. But the model is LG D851. Is it even possible? Because D851 is the code for t-mobile. Please help clear these doubts.
karthik_freaky said:
Hello Everyone. I have purchased a LG G3 D851 (TMobile) unlocked from Dubai and intend to use it at India. I am worried about
1. Are the wireless and NFC chips different from the D855. D855 has 2 connectors while D851 has 4. Can I use D855 Back Panel on the D851 and vice versa.
2. Since it is unlocked, will the updates come from LG or should I wait for T-Mobile to send the updates.
As it is a quadband phone, there should not be any carrier issues.
And finally, why does LG G3 not include wireless charging off the box in USA like they do all over the world?
Your inputs will be much appreciated and will also help fellow xda folks as there is not much of talk about the differences between D851 and D855.
Cheers,
Karthik
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karthik_freaky said:
Just found out that the D851 does not have any t-mobile markings on the mobile back cover or box. Infact even while switching on there is no t-mobile logo. But the model is LG D851. Is it even possible? Because D851 is the code for t-mobile. Please help clear these doubts.
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Im guessing you didnt buy it new with a sealed box.

karthik_freaky said:
Just found out that the D851 does not have any t-mobile markings on the mobile back cover or box. Infact even while switching on there is no t-mobile logo. But the model is LG D851. Is it even possible? Because D851 is the code for t-mobile. Please help clear these doubts.
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I think that this is possible as D851 is also sold for Canadian carriers...

ThePagel said:
Im guessing you didnt buy it new with a sealed box.
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It came in a sealed box. The model number is mentioned as D851 while there is no mention of T-Mobile anywhere on the box or on the mobile.
HinotoriBR said:
I think that this is possible as D851 is also sold for Canadian carriers...
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LG G3 sold in Canada is D852. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If that is the case, LG has started selling generic D851s in America. I even found an user manual for Generic D851 along with the Tmo D851 on their website.
The European model D855 comes with a Qi Compatible back cover. The Indian model D855 comes with a Qi back cover, 1 Year Display Replacement voucher, and Discount voucher worth $160 on G Watch. I wonder why the American version is so basic.

Carriers abroad
I would assume, and I only do this out of assumption, that T-Mobile USA isn't the only one that uses the D851 and the bands that T-Mo uses here is the US is probably used by other carriers elsewhere in the world. If that is the case, then I would think that LG would have saved their money and gave the D851 to carriers abroad that used the same spectrum, minus logos and boot animations.

karthik_freaky said:
It came in a sealed box. The model number is mentioned as D851 while there is no mention of T-Mobile anywhere on the box or on the mobile.
LG G3 sold in Canada is D852. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If that is the case, LG has started selling generic D851s in America. I even found an user manual for Generic D851 along with the Tmo D851 on their website.
The European model D855 comes with a Qi Compatible back cover. The Indian model D855 comes with a Qi back cover, 1 Year Display Replacement voucher, and Discount voucher worth $160 on G Watch. I wonder why the American version is so basic.
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Wow they shafted us on the USA,that's great hookups
Sent from my LG-D851 using XDA Premium HD app

Thanks for the replies. On first set up of the mobile, I was shocked to find SperSU by Chainfire installed but its still not rooted. The mobile is brand new and has D85110C installed. I cannot find the Update Center (Settings -> About Phone). Please someone tell me what I have got myself into? Thanks.

Your "brand new phone" will not ship with SuperSU. If you don't have the playstore on ur phone, its another sign that phone is not new. LGs update center is also preinstalled.

se1zure31 said:
Your "brand new phone" will not ship with SuperSU. If you don't have the playstore on ur phone, its another sign that phone is not new. LGs update center is also preinstalled.
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LG PC Suite is working now. Playstore is there. Only thing weird was the SuperSU. Do people who unlock contract phones leave SuperSU on the mobile. And I found out that LG G3 Tmo and AT&T models do not have the Update Center visible. Wonder what is wrong with all these American carriers? Stupid, Absolutely Stupid.

Unlocked phone has nothing to do with SuperSU. SuperSU is strictly used for root. Again, T-Mobile, LG, or purchasing an unlocked phone will NOT have SuperSU.

karthik_freaky said:
LG PC Suite is working now. Playstore is there. Only thing weird was the SuperSU. Do people who unlock contract phones leave SuperSU on the mobile. And I found out that LG G3 Tmo and AT&T models do not have the Update Center visible. Wonder what is wrong with all these American carriers? Stupid, Absolutely Stupid.
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The update center is most definitely visible in the settings menu for the US variants of the G3.

se1zure31 said:
Unlocked phone has nothing to do with SuperSU. SuperSU is strictly used for root. Again, T-Mobile, LG, or purchasing an unlocked phone will NOT have SuperSU.
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Just found out my "Brand New LG G3" is actually rooted. Maybe the seller unlocked it and rooted it up.
cvsolidx17 said:
The update center is most definitely visible in the settings menu for the US variants of the G3.
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Can any AT&T and TMo users confirm whether they have the update software option on their mobile. I have seen a few users complain that it is not available in US Version. Please give your feedback. Thanks.

karthik_freaky said:
Just found out my "Brand New LG G3" is actually rooted. Maybe the seller unlocked it and rooted it up.
Can any AT&T and TMo users confirm whether they have the update software option on their mobile. I have seen a few users complain that it is not available in US Version. Please give your feedback. Thanks.
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I can confirm my US model on T-Mobile has the LG update center. It is in the apps center and is labeled "Update Center."

se1zure31 said:
Unlocked phone has nothing to do with SuperSU. SuperSU is strictly used for root. Again, T-Mobile, LG, or purchasing an unlocked phone will NOT have SuperSU.
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cvsolidx17 said:
The update center is most definitely visible in the settings menu for the US variants of the G3.
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se1zure31 said:
I can confirm my US model on T-Mobile has the LG update center. It is in the apps center and is labeled "Update Center."
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Oh that is great. Is it possible to download the update center as a stand alone app?

Did anyone stop to think that maybe when he signed into google he chose to restore his apps and it downloaded chainfire su from the playstore automagically? Since his phone wasn't rooted it seems logical to me.
Then again my IQ is only three times that of Stephen Hawkings so what would I know. </sarcasm>

yutsoku said:
Did anyone stop to think that maybe when he signed into google he chose to restore his apps and it downloaded chainfire su from the playstore automagically? Since his phone wasn't rooted it seems logical to me.
Then again my IQ is only three times that of Stephen Hawkings so what would I know. </sarcasm>
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Nope might. I have never used SuperSU Chainfire before. Anyways after a chat with LG US officials and after going through the files in the mobile I have found out the below:
1. Rooted Mobile
2. TWRP Installed
3. It has been flashed with LG-D851_Generic.zip (1.02GB)
4. It is indeed LG G3 D851 ( Without any affiliations to T-mobile )
If anyone would like the Generic version I would be happy to upload the file. So may be in some international markets, they are selling Generic Version D851. But it still puzzles me why my seller would root and install TWRP in a generic version.

If you open the back cover do you see D851 printed in white ink on any parts?

jobella said:
If you open the back cover do you see D851 printed in white ink on any parts?
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Yes it does have D851 written on various parts. Photo attached :

I guess it really is a D851 - T Mobile.

[Q] New to LG question

Hello,
I am potentially new to the LG brand having spent most of the last several years with HTC devices and wondered if the longtime LG folks could help with a couple of questions:
Does LG only release carrier branded devices or do they release GSM unlocked versions as well in the US? I'll be changing to T-Mobile but I am vehemently opposed to carrier branded/locked devices and prefer to purchase direct w/o carrier specific junk.
While I know folks probably don't know about the G4 just yet but how has unlocking the bootloader worked in the past with LG. Can it be unlocked, can you buy unlocked versions, etc?
With many devices (coming from HTC) hotspot is able to be modified so that it can be used fairly easily without carrier interference. Not trying to start a debate on the value of this or if it is stealing from the carrier, etc. For me I've looked at it as I am paying for a specific amount of data, how I choose to use it should be up to me. Has it been accomplished in the past with LG devices to fairly easily use hotspot without carrier headaches?
Again thanks, just trying to nail down some details for my own knowledge to decide if this will be the best device for me. I watched the launch this morning and I am very positive coming out of that but wanted to get some feedback on some specific items that are important to me.
Thanks,

ThePhoneGeek said:
Hello,
I am potentially new to the LG brand having spent most of the last several years with HTC devices and wondered if the longtime LG folks could help with a couple of questions:
Does LG only release carrier branded devices or do they release GSM unlocked versions as well in the US? I'll be changing to T-Mobile but I am vehemently opposed to carrier branded/locked devices and prefer to purchase direct w/o carrier specific junk.
While I know folks probably don't know about the G4 just yet but how has unlocking the bootloader worked in the past with LG. Can it be unlocked, can you buy unlocked versions, etc?
With many devices (coming from HTC) hotspot is able to be modified so that it can be used fairly easily without carrier interference. Not trying to start a debate on the value of this or if it is stealing from the carrier, etc. For me I've looked at it as I am paying for a specific amount of data, how I choose to use it should be up to me. Has it been accomplished in the past with LG devices to fairly easily use hotspot without carrier headaches?
Again thanks, just trying to nail down some details for my own knowledge to decide if this will be the best device for me. I watched the launch this morning and I am very positive coming out of that but wanted to get some feedback on some specific items that are important to me.
Thanks,
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1. They have versions for specific US carriers, and an International version of the G3 that works internationally (Obviously) but yes, you can get unlocked international versions of the G3, or versions specific to your US carrier. You can also get version specific for countries.
2. Bootloader hasn't been unlocked for the G3. LG is ridiculously strict about this, so because the bootloader is locked, with the G3 we've had to "Bump" the custom ROMs (Sign them with legit tags) so that the bootloader will actually boot the phone with a custom ROM.
3. As for the hotspot, I've never used it on my phone so I couldn't tell you about that.

The G2 and G3 have had modded hotspot for those of us with unlimited data plans. Some models you can simply modify a file while others require a flashable ZIP. I'm hoping we get custom recovery and root for this, we've gotten it for the G2 and G3 so far.

It sounds like LG isn't as developer friendly as HTC but IMO is making a superior device. Nice thing about HTC is they sell unlocked and developer edition devices that work with either AT&T or T-Mobile and are sim unlocked and the dev ed comes with bootloader unlocked as well.
I am sure the dev community can make it functional root, etc. Hope so because I really don't want to buy an M9 and the G4 checks off so many boxes on my list of needs...
Thanks all for the info!

ThePhoneGeek said:
It sounds like LG isn't as developer friendly as HTC but IMO is making a superior device. Nice thing about HTC is they sell unlocked and developer edition devices that work with either AT&T or T-Mobile and are sim unlocked and the dev ed comes with bootloader unlocked as well.
I am sure the dev community can make it functional root, etc. Hope so because I really don't want to buy an M9 and the G4 checks off so many boxes on my list of needs...
Thanks all for the info!
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yeah I've been waiting for the perfect replacement for my ATT S3. so, rootable, removable back/battery, solid dev community, etc. this one looks just about perfect, only the root status for the ATT model is the unknown. so, let the real waiting begin. i guess the M9 is an ok option, but there's just a few things i can't love about the M9 like the camera.

VR32 said:
yeah I've been waiting for the perfect replacement for my ATT S3. so, rootable, removable back/battery, solid dev community, etc. this one looks just about perfect, only the root status for the ATT model is the unknown. so, let the real waiting begin. i guess the M9 is an ok option, but there's just a few things i can't love about the M9 like the camera.
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yeah I have the M8 and the camera is horrid. The design was great in March of 2014 but HTC really lost me with the fact that this years design offers almost nothing new and the so called camera improvements are still not good.
I am really hoping this works out well for LG because there is so much I like about the device.

ThePhoneGeek said:
yeah I have the M8 and the camera is horrid. The design was great in March of 2014 but HTC really lost me with the fact that this years design offers almost nothing new and the so called camera improvements are still not good.
I am really hoping this works out well for LG because there is so much I like about the device.
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+1

What is upsell (com.lge.upsell) app?

Pretty sure this app was just installed by the LG update center today and that it wasn't there before.
I have the US T-Mobile variant of the LG G7 Thinq.
Thank you.

It's been there all along. It's was there only G4 on marshmallow as well. Not sure what it's there for but I can find no evidence that it does anything whatsoever, but have not attempted to disable it

What does Multitasking Framework stands for? I stopped it once and it never runs again. But what for is needed then?

schwarznavy said:
Pretty sure this app was just installed by the LG update center today and that it wasn't there before.
I have the US T-Mobile variant of the LG G7 Thinq.
Thank you.
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I think It's there to see when you try to use a service (like tethering or vmail to text) that is not covered by your plan, and to let you know you need to buy that service or upgrade your plan to get it.
See: https://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-g4/help/hotspot-broken-rooting-t3165994
Hope this helps. I was wondering the same thing and my old G3 is asking me to update this app. I'm on T-Mo as well.
-Hedroom

POLL: Which first, LG release North America G7 bootloader unlock code or Pie update?

Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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Its LG something will happen only if they decide it

mr3p said:
Not sure which I prefer first anymore but anyone care to guess which will happen first?
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They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.

doubledragon5 said:
They will never release bootloader unlock code for any US carrier based model.. You can bet on that.
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I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
Currently supported devices which can be unlocked:
https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev

mr3p said:
I'm no fan of LG and I can appreciate your dissatisfaction based on your experiences trying to unlock your G7 (Sprint) however LG released bootloader unlock codes for the G6 USA carrier free model somewhere around this time last year. It's anyone's guess what they will do going forward.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g6/how-to/official-lg-g6-bootloader-unlock-t3614719
Currently supported devices which can be unlocked:
https://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev
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That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...

doubledragon5 said:
That's great for those who have it.. But I still believe for any phone, Samsung, LG, Google, if it is for a carrier then bootloader unlock his highly doubtful. I wish they never bowed to the carriers in the first place.. They should have said NO period.. But it is what it is...
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Agree totally.

Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x

DeeBG said:
Even though I use Mint Mobile (US-based prepaid plan that uses the T-Mobile network), I picked up a 2nd-hand G710ULM (vs G710TM) in hopes that LG would offer an unlocked bootloader code at some point (I like to use my phones for 4+ years and after ~2 all phones seem to get sluggish given dev targets if you stay on stock).
That being said I hope and am betting on Pie getting pushed out first (hopefully before Q official release) because I think it'd benefit the most amount of users (Pie really does have some unique and useful features, even though I've seen others say that they are purely gimmicks).
I went from flip-phone, to HTC Incredible (great phone with a great hacking community), to hand-me-down Samsung G3 (same, although Knox sux), and finally a 2nd-hand LG G7 (unaware of LG's history and actually believing their "Quick Update Program" or whatever they called it). Just because I'm able, doesn't mean I'm willing to pay ~$1,000 USD just to buy an unlocked Pixel device. Maybe some more feature-rich Android One entries will join the bunch. I can see how/why people get into the Apple ecosystem x.x
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I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...

doubledragon5 said:
I have a pixel 3a XL now, which is on Sprint.. I do not care about the unlock status of this phone.. Reason. It has every thing I want, a good camera, and absolutely no bloat of any kind...
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Yeah, the reviews make it look like my ideal phone; I hope Google keeps making a midtier phone like the 3a as they release new lines. 3a/3a XL even reintroduced a standard headphone jack