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root & s-off question (M8)

im contemplating buying the at&t m8 tuesday on launch day but im worried since i know it will come locked down tight. rumor has it on android central that s-off will be waiting for us? is this true or no?
if not ill wait for root to buy.

Ya I'm in the same boat. Wanted the s5, but am now here considering the one for the first time because of Knox.
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mike86325 said:
Ya I'm in the same boat. Wanted the s5, but am now here considering the one for the first time because of Knox.
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The s5 was never in the cards with me.

I see no reason that we won't have an exploit available pretty quickly. If nothing else, you can do the official HTC unlock now and wait for S-OFF later so you can cover your tracks.
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The s5 was never in the cards with me.
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Me neither. Until KNOX is either optional or gone altogether, Samsung will never get my business again. I refuse to support a company so openly anti-developer.

EtherealRemnant said:
I see no reason that we won't have an exploit available pretty quickly. If nothing else, you can do the official HTC unlock now and wait for S-OFF later so you can cover your tracks.
Me neither. Until KNOX is either optional or gone altogether, Samsung will never get my business again. I refuse to support a company so openly anti-developer.
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Same about sammy. I vowed id only stick to the nexus line but this m8 looks awesome if it can be rooted.
Hopefully your right and it will be htc dev unlockable from day 1. I doubt it being at&t.

fix-this! said:
Same about sammy. I vowed id only stick to the nexus line but this m8 looks awesome if it can be rooted.
Hopefully your right and it will be htc dev unlockable from day 1. I doubt it being at&t.
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With at&t its hard to tell but the One was HTC Dev unlockable on at&t at launch I thought?
This is why I'm glad I have T-Mobile. Besides the Sony phones (which T-Mobile likely doesn't even ask Sony to lock the bootloader but Sony chooses to do it themselves), T-Mobile is very cool about rooting and custom ROMs. Hell EVERY person at the T-Mobile store we go to has their **** rooted and they have no problem saying it! If an at&t employee did that, guaranteed there would be a job opening.

EtherealRemnant said:
With at&t its hard to tell but the One was HTC Dev unlockable on at&t at launch I thought?
This is why I'm glad I have T-Mobile. Besides the Sony phones (which T-Mobile likely doesn't even ask Sony to lock the bootloader but Sony chooses to do it themselves), T-Mobile is very cool about rooting and custom ROMs. Hell EVERY person at the T-Mobile store we go to has their **** rooted and they have no problem saying it! If an at&t employee did that, guaranteed there would be a job opening.
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Original HTC One bootloader unlock was available on day 1 then vanished. I think there are other exploits. I have unlocked the bootloader of almost every Android device I've ever owned (except my Nexus 7 FHD). I *dont* intend on doing that with my M8 unless and until the promised support and updates doesn't materialize. In the best of all possible worlds, someone will come up with a temporary root method so I can at least run Titanium backup.

Every Qualcomm HTC devices has been S-OFFed, it will certainly be the same for the M8 trust me...

matt95 said:
Every Qualcomm HTC devices has been S-OFFed, it will certainly be the same for the M8 trust me...
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i can confirm s-on

fix-this! said:
rumor has it on android central that s-off will be waiting for us? is this true or no?
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Can I get a link to the rumor?

jaythenut said:
i can confirm s-on
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Are you saying that it won't be S-OFFed? Nahhh

matt95 said:
Are you saying that it won't be S-OFFed? Nahhh
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Well mine is saying s-on

jaythenut said:
Well mine is saying s-on
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Ehm, that's normal... If you don't S-OFF it will say S-ON of course

matt95 said:
Ehm, that's normal... If you don't S-OFF it will say S-ON of course
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Sorry guys, but could someone explain what S-ON and S-OFF mean?
I only have experience unlocking/rooting Nexus devices.

fil676 said:
Sorry guys, but could someone explain what S-ON and S-OFF mean?
I only have experience unlocking/rooting Nexus devices.
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S-On means you can only install "Secure" software. S-OFF, means you can install whatever you want.
If you want roms, you'll want S-OFF.

meest said:
S-On means you can only install "Secure" software. S-OFF, means you can install whatever you want.
If you want roms, you'll want S-OFF.
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Not completely correct, if you want ROMs you just need an unlocked bootloader and a recovery which you can get without S-OFF too...
S-OFF (Security-OFF) = much more control of the entire phone (you can do pretty much everything if you're able to do it)
if you have enough time to spend then read this perfect in depth explanation

matt95 said:
Not completely correct, if you want ROMs you just need an unlocked bootloader and a recovery which you can get without S-OFF too...
S-OFF (Security-OFF) = much more control of the entire phone (you can do pretty much everything if you're able to do it)
if you have enough time to spend then read this perfect in depth explanation
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Which version of hboot is the verizon m8 shipping with? Assuming we can get root (if it's not already possible), s-off should work with firewater

skaforey said:
Which version of hboot is the verizon m8 shipping with? Assuming we can get root (if it's not already possible), s-off should work with firewater
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I've never tried Firewater stuff but I would wait to do that, that method hasn't even been tested on the new one...

skaforey said:
Which version of hboot is the verizon m8 shipping with? Assuming we can get root (if it's not already possible), s-off should work with firewater
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HBOOT: 3.16.0.0000
I tried the temp-root method but it failed running temp-root so I didn't bother executing the firewater command:
error in setsockopt().
Failed to get prepare_kernel_cred address.
Failed to get commit_creds address.
Failed to get ptmx_fops address.
Failed to setup variables.​

jaythenut said:
i can confirm s-on
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Alright bud
Did you swap out your N3 for this? - I pick mine up in the morning. Hoping it'll be a a quality device, miss my original One

Any new S-Off way yet?

Is there a new way to achieve S-Off ? I tried Firewater but I get the message that HTC has blocked that way of getting s-Off I guess cause my phone was updated.

Andr3w151 said:
Is there a new way to achieve S-Off ? I tried Firewater but I get the message that HTC has blocked that way of getting s-Off I guess cause my phone was updated.
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yeah its called sunshine something. just google sunshine s off . oh its also 25 bucks

Yes. Sunshine. It is$25
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Andr3w151 said:
Is there a new way to achieve S-Off ? I tried Firewater but I get the message that HTC has blocked that way of getting s-Off I guess cause my phone was updated.
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sunshine.. but its for 25$ http://theroot.ninja/

Ok thanks, $25 isn't bad at all I'm surprised cause all my other phones I've ever did S-Off on the software was free but I don't mind supporting the developers, they deserve it. Thanks again

Andr3w151 said:
Ok thanks, $25 isn't bad at all I'm surprised cause all my other phones I've ever did S-Off on the software was free but I don't mind supporting the developers, they deserve it. Thanks again
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It is better to give 25$ to unlock everything rather than to pay some guy who only sim unlocks it.

Jyotirdeb said:
It is better to give 25$ to unlock everything rather than to pay some guy who only sim unlocks it.
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Yeah I agree and it's the least I could since I'm always flashing a Rom or mod that someone makes and doesn't charge, so I always like to give back to this community of developers. This community has always been there for me thru every phone I've had, and the people that use it always help each other out. Can't wait till payday cause it's the first thing I'm doing with my paycheck lol

On http://theroot.ninja/ i downloaded the APK, im going to have to install a stock rom due to it says it wont work on insert coins rom, but a quick question before i do any of that when does it ask me to donate the $25 ? after it runs its test to make sure it works and also what kind of payments do they accept? if anyone knows thanks in advance everyone!

I was patient and didnt unlock via htcdev, i waitied until sunshine and used towelroot v3 and sunshie together and couldnt be happyer.... no tampered flag, no red text. percetion!

RENEGAD3 said:
I was patient and didnt unlock via htcdev, i waitied until sunshine and used towelroot v3 and sunshie together and couldnt be happyer.... no tampered flag, no red text. percetion!
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Guess you haven't flashed a recovery yet

an0ther said:
Guess you haven't flashed a recovery yet
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Not yet still stock and unrooted haha will flashing a recovery make things turn red and tampered?

RENEGAD3 said:
Not yet still stock and unrooted haha will flashing a recovery make things turn red and tampered?
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Yes, but you can remove them with soff

an0ther said:
Yes, but you can remove them with soff
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Ahh i thought it was the htcdev method that gave you tampered flag and red text as when i used htcdev to unlock my one s a few years ago i got tampered and red text before i flashed custom recovery and gained s off

RENEGAD3 said:
Ahh i thought it was the htcdev method that gave you tampered flag and red text as when i used htcdev to unlock my one s a few years ago i got tampered and red text before i flashed custom recovery and gained s off
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It does the same as One S but with S-Off you can change it.

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Any other way to pay becos m in Nigeria and none of the payment methods seems to work or any oda free unlock bootloader and s-off method for hboot 1.57 and kitkat 4.4.2 on Droid DNA

Yucee said:
Any other way to pay becos m in Nigeria and none of the payment methods seems to work or any oda free unlock bootloader and s-off method for hboot 1.57 and kitkat 4.4.2 on Droid DNA
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This thread hasn't been used for over a year, AND you have a different phone.
FYI this is the HTC One M8 forum !

[Q] HTC one M8 OTA update issue lollipop

Hello all,
I am new to all this, techy stuff, and have recently bought a htc one m8. I had it rooted for me, but I didn't want to pay for GPE. I then found out Lollipop has been released, and tried to get it by going into software info on settings, but I couldn't get the lollipop update, as my phone says 'Your phone software is up to date with the latest version'. I realised that because of my root, my phone wasn't on the same channel as it was on before. I found another way to get lollipop, but that meant buying sunshine for $25. Is there another free alternative? I thought I could unroot my phone, then reroot it, but I do not know how to unroot, get update then reroot. Can I please get help?

Hi,
Thanks for writing to us at XDA Assist, in order to help you effectively I need to know which variant of the M8 you have please.

I have the gsm version

Ok, so it's not carrier branded at all?

no its not.
Going back to my question, i have actually found out my fone is on s-off bcus i had to unlock bootloader to root, meanin my fone is rooted with s-off. However, i would like to get gpe on my fone so i can get lollipop. Only issue is, the other methods do it on a normal htc one m8, not on a rooted htc one m8. Are the nethods the same meaning i can use the normal gpe conversion methods on my prerooted htc one m8, or do i need another method?

Thanks for the extra information, I'm actually asking you these questions for a reason, XDA Assist isn't a general technical support section so I needed to know exactly which variant you have in order to have this thread redirected correctly for you.
Please standby while we have your thread/question moved to the appropriate sub-forum for your device.
For future reference you can find your device sub-forum here (bookmark/subscribe this):
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Within that section you will find a dedicated q&a sub-forum (this is where your thread is going to be moved to):
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Good luck!
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datbeastanon said:
no its not.
Going back to my question, i have actually found out my fone is on s-off bcus i had to unlock bootloader to root, meanin my fone is rooted with s-off. However, i would like to get gpe on my fone so i can get lollipop. Only issue is, the other methods do it on a normal htc one m8, not on a rooted htc one m8. Are the nethods the same meaning i can use the normal gpe conversion methods on my prerooted htc one m8, or do i need another method?
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Unlocking your bootloader doesn't make you S-Off. Boot into your bootloader to check.
To get into bootloader, turn off your phone. Then hold down the power button plus vol down till your phone boots back up. You'll get a readout there that will tell you if you are S-Off or S-On.
If you can confirm that you are S-Off, I will guide you to converting your phone to GPE.

xunholyx said:
Unlocking your bootloader doesn't make you S-Off. Boot into your bootloader to check.
To get into bootloader, turn off your phone. Then hold down the power button plus vol down till your phone boots back up. You'll get a readout there that will tell you if you are S-Off or S-On.
If you can confirm that you are S-Off, I will guide you to converting your phone to GPE.
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Thank you for telling me. I am not on s-off, i am on s-off.i know that firewater has been discontinued, so I have found a free alternative, moonshine. Please guide me through how to gain s-off for free.

datbeastanon said:
Thank you for telling me. I am not on s-off, i am on s-off.i know that firewater has been discontinued, so I have found a free alternative, moonshine. Please guide me through how to gain s-off for free.
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Apologies, i meant to say i am on s-on. Please guide me on how to get s-off for free using moonshine please. And yes, i mean moonshine, not sunshine. Also,if you know any others free alternatives to gain s-off, please reply to me. If not, please just tell me how to gain s-off using moonshine.

datbeastanon said:
Apologies, i meant to say i am on s-on. Please guide me on how to get s-off for free using moonshine please. And yes, i mean moonshine, not sunshine. Also,if you know any others free alternatives to gain s-off, please reply to me. If not, please just tell me how to gain s-off using moonshine.
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You can't use moonshine. The ONLY way to get s-off on this device is sunshine.

Yes, Sunshine, V3. And you are better off without the 5.0, if you want to S-OFF. Sunshine will most likely work on 4.4.4, and issues will appear while trying to S-OFF the Lollipop.

Mr Hofs said:
You can't use moonshine. The ONLY way to get s-off on this device is sunshine.
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Ok. Is there anyway for me to remove my root permanently and get lollipop for free? Please reply ASAP.

datbeastanon said:
Ok. Is there anyway for me to remove my root permanently and get lollipop for free? Please reply ASAP.
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yeah delete all superuser binaries, or return to your original stock backup that you made before messing around with root :laugh:

I have got my phone on bootloader, and I have a custom recovery file. However, I cannot seem to enter recovery mode. As I go to 'HBOOT' then 'RECOVERY' it shows the htc screen, but then it loads back to the bootloader screen. I have tried getting Hasoon's Toolkit and going into bootloader from here, and I have also tried getting a bat file and running that on my pc with my phone connected to it, same result. However, before this problem occurred, I had a message pop up, but this happened only once. This is what the message said:
SD Checking…
No Gift File…
Loading … ( OP6BDIAG.zip)
No image!
Loading … ( OP6BDIAG.nbh)
No image or wrong image!
Loading … ( OP6BIMG.zip)
Loading … ( OP6BIMG.nbh)
No image or wrong image!
After this, when I tried to go into recovery, the issue had then first occurred. Any suggestions on what to do? I have tried using a toolkit, a bat file, doing it through bootloader, and getting an app. Also, how can I clear my cache through bootloader?

Fastboot erase cache

datbeastanon said:
Ok. Is there anyway for me to remove my root permanently and get lollipop for free? Please reply ASAP.
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No need to unroot for OTA. And it's free anyhow.

Ok. You say no need to unroot for its, but I have my phone rooted, but I cannot get lollipop which was released 3 weeks ago on HTC one m8. Please help me so I can get OTA updates.
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datbeastanon said:
Ok. You say no need to unroot for its, but I have my phone rooted, but I cannot get lollipop which was released 3 weeks ago on HTC one m8. Please help me so I can get OTA updates.
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Depends of your carrier. They handle the updates. Just wait.

datbeastanon said:
Ok. You say no need to unroot for its, but I have my phone rooted, but I cannot get lollipop which was released 3 weeks ago on HTC one m8. Please help me so I can get OTA updates.
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You need a stock rom and recovery. So either 1 or both are not stock. Go to the thread where you have been already (the stock backup thread in the general section) and read up in there. All info and what you need to do is written down there.
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Ah just not getting notified for the update ? Like been said, wait for them to push. Or there is a custom (stock like) rom on your phone. If thats the case my first part stands

Which thread? Please send a link?
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Has anyone tried this for S-OFF

I found this site, http://rumrunner.us/ Does anyone know if this is legit or just a virus waiting to happen? It looks pretty legit to me. Thanks for your input, it would be great if we could get s-off for our device!

This is an old tool or does not work

HTC Desire 816 Virgin
drummer1839 said:
This is an old tool or does not work
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I'm loading to Sunshine v3, they say me load 2 weeks more. This tool include the s-off unlock,

elcientifico said:
I'm loading to Sunshine v3, they say me load 2 weeks more. This tool include the s-off unlock,
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Wait I don't quite understand...are you saying you got S-OFF?

HTC Desire 816 Virgin
No No NO, Yesterday talk to support sunshine, and they told me to wait two weeks to the release of version 3 which will include the s-off of our model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2792487

elcientifico said:
No No NO, Yesterday talk to support sunshine, and they told me to wait two weeks to the release of version 3 which will include the s-off of our model.
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Ohhhh, alright thats more clear thank you
Well this (semi) is good news, we went from not hearing at all of S-OFF, to apparently having it in 2 weeks.
Now, there's now way in heck I'm paying $25 for S-OFF, thats ridiculous. But I'm sure some people will. Especially if it allows our device to be carrier unlocked, which it could.

I'll pay it sucks but it is what it is cause I know its a pain in the a%# too find vulnerabilitys too make s-off possible!!

I am glad I could bring that to you guys's attention

the_Victorian said:
I am glad I could bring that to you guys's attention
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Huh?

Any people know how SIM unlock with s-off on virgin. I have s-off but no have idea how unlock the SIM.

HTC One M9 bootloader unlocking

Hi, I currently have a Samsung GS4 and I am pretty pissed about how it doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. I was wondering, if I can run out to Verizon now and buy a HTC One M9 if I can unlock it and install cyanogenmod 12 onto it (eventually). WIthout buying a special verizon, is this possible?

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Hi, I currently have a Samsung GS4 and I am pretty pissed about how it doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. I was wondering, if I can run out to Verizon now and buy a HTC One M9 if I can unlock it and install cyanogenmod 12 onto it (eventually). WIthout buying a special verizon, is this possible?
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Nope. Vzw doesn't allow boot loader unlocking. You will need to wait for sunshine app to update or seek out a user who has a Java card. @bschram is your closest user that has one.

So I cannot use HTC Dev website, and does sunshine require root to use it, and what is this http://venomroms.com/sunshine-s-off-for-the-htc-one-m9-released/

iLeoable said:
So I cannot use HTC Dev website, and does sunshine require root to use it, and what is this http://venomroms.com/sunshine-s-off-for-the-htc-one-m9-released/
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Verizon has HTC block their devices on HTC dev. Non vzw devices are fine.
Sunshine doesn't support vzw m9 or even the m8 if it has the latest os yet. Sunshine for the non Verizon m9 requires unlocking boot loader through HTC dev.
Make sense this time?

dottat said:
Verizon has HTC block their devices on HTC dev. Non vzw devices are fine.
Sunshine doesn't support vzw m9 or even the m8 if it has the latest os yet. Sunshine for the non Verizon m9 requires unlocking boot loader through HTC dev.
Make sense this time?
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Yes, It does. But just to be sure, will this ensure a full 100% on unlocked bootloader and if it needs root to root it, how will it start doing that?

iLeoable said:
Yes, It does. But just to be sure, will this ensure a full 100% on unlocked bootloader and if it needs root to root it, how will it start doing that?
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On the vzw m9 sunshine support will come when they figure out how to enable root and flip the s flag off all in one shot.
Your other alternative is to buy the phone and send it to a user who has a Java card. That process involves putting a special card in your SD slot and running see commands. You will end up with s-off and bootloader unlocked with that.

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Yes, It does. But just to be sure, will this ensure a full 100% on unlocked bootloader and if it needs root to root it, how will it start doing that?
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With a NON Verizon HTC m9...unlock your boot loader through HTC dev....then you run sunshine to get S-OFF...once there you can do whatever you want...flash custom roms already rooted....stay stock Sense and flash whatever supersu you need for root...basically the world is your oyster at that point...lol
Verizon M9 should eventually get there (sunshine S-OFF), but until it does the java card S-OFF is the only way...and there are plenty of fine fellows here that can assist you if you so choose.
With that method..after you are S-OFF...you can run an adb command to unlock your boot loader and then from there the same as above.

bakemcbride21 said:
With a NON Verizon HTC m9...unlock your boot loader through HTC dev....then you run sunshine to get S-OFF...once there you can do whatever you want...flash custom roms already rooted....stay stock Sense and flash whatever supersu you need for root...basically the world is your oyster at that point...lol
Verizon M9 should eventually get there (sunshine S-OFF), but until it does the java card S-OFF is the only way...and there are plenty of fine fellows here that can assist you if you so choose.
With that method..after you are S-OFF...you can run an adb command to unlock your boot loader and then from there the same as above.
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Should add that the guys with cards are doing the works. S-off, bootloader unlock, twrp, and supersu.

dottat said:
Nope. Vzw doesn't allow boot loader unlocking. You will need to wait for sunshine app to update or seek out a user who has a Java card. @bschram is your closest user that has one.
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+1 for @bschram - Sorted my Verizon M9 a week ago --- Pre-root backup, S-off, install TWRP, root, and unlock bootloader.
Ready for me to install custom Rom

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Should add that the guys with cards are doing the works. S-off, bootloader unlock, twrp, and supersu.
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Full service crew!

Only problem you will have afterwards is finding a Verizon CM12 ROM. Because as of now, this is what we have to work with...nothing. And from what I've heard, cm is no longer unifying devices. All I'm saying is its gonna be a bit of a road. However, if you don't mind waiting and running a sense based custom ROM for a while, then get it and have @dottat unlock everything for ya! I'm actually about to send him mine!

I don't know if any of you guys have heard of towelroot, but it only works for kitkat samsung devices on verizon, it might be possible that geohot will release an update for lollipop s5. and maybe someone will adapt that to fit the HTC One M9.

iLeoable said:
I don't know if any of you guys have heard of towelroot, but it only works for kitkat samsung devices on verizon, it might be possible that geohot will release an update for lollipop s5. and maybe someone will adapt that to fit the HTC One M9.
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highly doubt that...
http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/17/5911917/ps3-hacker-geohotz-hired-by-google