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Hello everyone,
I have a simple question that I have yet to come across a decent answer too.
What is the main or real reason people root there phone for.
Is it basically like jailbreaking the iPhone or are theredifferent reasons?
I've bought my EVO 4G about a month ago and have been waiting for a root for the gingerbread 2.3.3 update that came stock with my phone.
The reason I'm asking this is should I really be waiting for a root? In other words why am I waiting for a root?
I personally love the phone as it is and I have had no problems with it.
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I recommend not rooting if you are asking those questions. I'm not trying to be rude at all.
Root is the name of the admin account in the Linux and Unix operating systems. Think of not having root as running in protected mode.
If you accept the responsibility of maintaining your own security, and don't mind invalidating your warranty then it is for you.
I didn't decide to root until one of the OTA updates from sprint forced a trial video game down my throat that couldn't be uninstalled.
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Oh I forgot to add, if you are planning on rooting I highly recommend loading the ROM MIUI.
A forwarding, however, 4G has not been implemented yet. Not a downside for me though. I rarely used 4G. The 3G here is fast enough.
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I root due to the need to remove "everything" that "they" put in. If you do not understand you are one of "them"
Thank you for the reply I understand what root is as I run blackbuntu on my desktop.
I wanna know what makes it different. Why are so many people wanting root on the EVO?
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Some people do not like HTC Sense. Some of the Sense based custom rom's run smoother than the stock rom's.
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Because people want to truely have control of the content on their phone
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I understand that, but what I don't understand is why would people sell there phone and trade it in and all just because they don't have root.
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Trytohaxme said:
I understand that, but what I don't understand is why would people sell there phone and trade it in and all just because they don't have root.
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because not having root drains the battery faster because of the Sprint Bloatware. Also having root lets you control you phone and do what you please with it like flashing custom roms and kernals and radios and other groovy stuff.
My main reason I want root is not only to get rid of the bloatware but that way I can have a unique phone and not like 80% of everyone else who has a stock EVO
My reason was so I could have total control of my phone, streamline it by removing the stuff I don't need, freeing up memory and storage space, modifying it to look how I want it to, coaxing a faster, smoother phone and being able to try out different setups to see which gives me the best performance.
I never use thethering.
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My reason was so I could have total control of my phone, streamline it by removing the stuff I don't need, freeing up memory and storage space, modifying it to look how I want it to, coaxing a faster, smoother phone and being able to try out different setups to see which gives me the best performance.
I never use thethering.
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+1. Same reason except I tether from time to time
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I root for the custom roms and kernels. I'm a synergy fanboy but its close to stock. Check out YouTube, look for an MIUI video, its truly amazing.
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Because AOSP is how it should be.
And that rhymes too.
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Because AOSP is how it should be.
And that rhymes too.
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LOL, he has a valid point. People like AOSP, some people like sense. Rooting let's you pick 'n' choose. Not being "stuck" in stock. I love my phone heavily themed, the eye candy sets it away from my friends phone. Plus my battery life/performance are much greater. But of course there are lots of reason to root and not to.
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I root because I own the damn device.
Everything I do with that root access is secondary to that.
Well I would love to get rid of all the bloatware and the time sound delicious.
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Because the ladies love it
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I rooted for the ability to tether. It also comes in handy when you need to replace a file like the flash file so that I can watch hulu on my browser. Another thing I should point out, HDMwIn allows me to mirror my display (no limits) over to my tv. With stock and no root, I can only display videos/pictures I recorded myself.
If anything, once they find a way to root 2.3.3, you should try it. Then if you don't like it, you can always set it back to oem status. There's a guide somewhere here.
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I root for mobile hotspot.
29.99 to tether with Sprint's 3G? bah, haha, ha, ha-ha
Being able to fix security holes and update your phone yourself is another big upside to having root; you can make sure it's secure yourself without having to wait forever for an update that may or may not come. That also happens to be one of the reasons why you will not see MIUI on my phone.
So I am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed Sensation, we had several ROM's, and I tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the Devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far I don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks I am missing? Again, I know it's all coming, but am I missing something super cool we can do on a rooted SGS2 yet? I want to join the fun, but I don't see much to get excited about (yet).
The roms the are out are well worth rooting for
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Couldn't agree more. Just the ability to back up your device should be reason enough alone to root. A better question is why would you not!
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even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
right now i would say the roms, the beastrom i got is amazing, better battery life and data speeds!
The main reason I rooted was to get rid of all the bloat.
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even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
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And again, why wouldn't you root? All it does is give you complete access to your phone. Whether you use that access or not is up to you, but there's no good reason not to have it. You can always unroot if you need to return your phone and use your warranty.
Rooting and installing the EaglesBlood ROM has more than doubled my battery life.
If that's not enough reason to root, I don't know what is.
What about the portable hot spot without fee thats a big one!
Replacing the standard Gmail apk (the one found on the market) and putting this modified apk (found here):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16263121
In its place, which releases the power of Gmail unread count Widgets and launchers.
You need root to manually replace the Gmail.apk within /system/app/ folder with the modified version.
Oh yeah... also the ability to nandroid backup.
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Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
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I rooted to remove bloat and to install TB, adblocker, terminal and cwm. I'm still on stock and don't see a need to flash roms now cuz everything working great. I'm holding out for ICS which you will need root for if you want it early.
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That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
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sportsinger75 said:
Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
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That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
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Seemed pretty easy and straightforward to me. Much easier than rooting my G2. Had a little hiccup trying to put it in d/l mode since this was my first time using odin, but figured it out fast enough. Just turn off your phone, plug in your usb, and then turn it on while holding vol up and vol down at the same time. Should go into d/l mode instead of recovery.
sofakingstoked said:
so i am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed sensation, we had several rom's, and i tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far i don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks i am missing? Again, i know it's all coming, but am i missing something super cool we can do on a rooted sgs2 yet? I want to join the fun, but i don't see much to get excited about (yet).
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after rooting it you can delete the thethering manager app.apk from the sytem/app so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
I would do it for the ability to fully use titanium backup and to have full access to your phone.
I did it for those reasons alone. Im not a rom jumper and I stick to stock and unless a rom way different than stock comes, I'll stick to stock.
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so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
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Of all the T-Mobile phones I've used this seems to have the most bloatware....rooting definitely helps getting rid of all of it. Dev support also seems to be growing. I have the latest EaglesBlood Rom and could not be happier. now getting better battery life and overall greater speed and smoothness.
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I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
Thanks
le14 said:
I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
Thanks
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once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
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once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
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would there be a tutorial for rooting with a mac using heimdall? this would be my first time rooting an android and I don't want to brick anything.
OK so I rooted all my previous phones with no issues, just wondering running stock this phone is pretty fast don't know how much "faster" it can get. I know all the features rooting can bring like removing annoying bloatware, carrier iq, build props etcc. What else could you do with these roms? With stock I already could do a lot of the stuff I couldn't do with previous phones running stock. I know overclocking, undervolting anything else I missed that these roms provide apart from asthetic looks?
I guess I just wanted the opinion from people rooted to see if you get that "night & day" difference effect that you get when you root
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If it wasn't for removing bloat and carrierIQ i would be satisfied with stock. BUT AOSP/AOKP is my main reason and 4.2. The TouchJizz ROMs aren't my thing overall. But i think stock out of the box is great, i have plenty of friends with the S3 that wont let me tough their phone cause they are so happy with it stock.
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There are way too many junkwares phone provider put on the stock TW. Even pure TW contains Samsung's junkwares. Rooting will allow you to remove or freeze those junkwares which makes the phone performs even better with better batt life. You can also install a firewall such as DroidWall to block internet access from apps. Block ads with AdAway. Block apps from autorun themselves when certain event occurs such as power is plugged in. There are endless helpful things you can do with a rooted phone.
I'd suggest reading more about rooting, flashing, custom recovery and see what you're missing without root.
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Yes rooting is really worth it.
People that I work with have note 2 and s3 and my s3 is much faster and snappier then all of theirs.
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mt3g said:
If it wasn't for removing bloat and carrierIQ i would be satisfied with stock. BUT AOSP/AOKP is my main reason and 4.2. The TouchJizz ROMs aren't my thing overall. But i think stock out of the box is great, i have plenty of friends with the S3 that wont let me tough their phone cause they are so happy with it stock.
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Yeah this is one of the few phones that don't come messed up from the box, I would say battery life could definitely improve on jb so I know rooting will help that a bit. Thanks for input
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There are way too many junkwares phone provider put on the stock TW. Even pure TW contains Samsung's junkwares. Rooting will allow you to remove or freeze those junkwares which makes the phone performs even better with better batt life. You can also install a firewall such as DroidWall to block internet access from apps. Block ads with AdAway. Block apps from autorun themselves when certain event occurs such as power is plugged in. There are endless helpful things you can do with a rooted phone.
I'd suggest reading more about rooting, flashing, custom recovery and see what you're missing without root.
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Yeah all those things you stated I already knew, I like the adaway stuff several other apps that can do that too. Also voodoo sound is nice. Voltage control all that.. I'm pretty careful and all but I guess I just don't want to deal with all the hassle. Backing up nv, roms, apps whole nine yards.
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My question is i read around forums people stating that triangle away can't take away the tripping counter when you flash a s3 that came with JB already installed out the box any truth?
Just would like to know since I have a long warranty on it just in case.
Also backing up your emei would insure you will get it back if something goes wrong? Because I saw in that forum it was a mixed bag some people could get it others couldn't and had their 4G missing too
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Yes............
Rooting IS worth it, next QUESTION!
Lol
And they have a thread on how to not trip the counter.
And as far as stock jb tripping the counter... haven't heard that but I honestly dont think it will unless you flash a new rom
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Counter thing is dumb in my opinion. I'm sure there is a work around, Odin back to ICS and then Odin JB then go from there maybe, idk.
Yes, banking up your imei is a full proof plan and use twrp instead of cwm!
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Oh okay one more thing backing up. Where you guys backup your roms internal or sd card Which one is more ideal? Just wondering since I never had phone with this much storage. I assume in touch recovery it let's you decide when you're backing up right?
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Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
Also do not mess with it while its in your card because it will not boot up. My suggestion is leave it as is
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Especially a backup of your imei... Can't stress that enough.. I learned that hard way and I thought my phone was completely screwed so i got two new gs3's not knowing it was such an easy fix even if you didn't back it up
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The_F_Word said:
Ideal should be in sd card.
NOTE* always make a backup before you flash anything, I cant stress that enough because it will save your life*
Also do not mess with it while its in your card because it will not boot up. My suggestion is leave it as is
To be honest though either or, it would not be a problem... me, I have it in my ad card
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Thanks dude appreciated
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Rooting is definitely worth it. Probably the best things you can do with it is remove bloatware, install an Ad-Blocker, and control the CPU to increase battery life or performance. With the Triangle Away app, you can easily reset the Custom Binary counter for warranty exchanges as I have done a few times.
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Counter thing is dumb in my opinion. I'm sure there is a work around, Odin back to ICS and then Odin JB then go from there maybe, idk.
Yes, banking up your imei is a full proof plan and use twrp instead of cwm!
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The is an app called triangle away that resets the counter. If you don't know, don't offer useless advice.
Backing up your NV data is a "fool" not "full" proof plan indeed tho.
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Oh okay one more thing backing up. Where you guys backup your roms internal or sd card Which one is more ideal? Just wondering since I never had phone with this much storage. I assume in touch recovery it let's you decide when you're backing up right?
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When in recovery you can choose where to back up to. I would personally read thru the stickied threads and get some information that has been deemed infallible by the higher ups. Asking basic stuff on a thread sometimes leads idiots to respond like they know something. The info on the stickies is concrete and not opinion based or anything.
Im just using the stock gs3 from tmo.
If you all would be so kind as to give me a few pros/cons to root for this phone.
Im am not concerned about voiding warranty.
Im wondering if there are any immediate perks to being rooted:
like bypassing tmo's restriction on wifi hotspot; to my knowledge, tmo now only lets their customers use wifi hotspot with the 5gb plan and not the 2gb plan.
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I'm short on time right now but if you root your phone you can download an app called wifi tether, which requires root permission, then you use your phone data on your laptop all you want.
With a rooted phone you can also download new roms that people develope and try out a lot of new functions before the official update.
You are more exposed to security risks once you root your phone I believe, but just don't install apps from random sites
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I really see no cons to rooting except warranty which isn't really true. If you study the warranty and know your stuff you can verbally defend your right to root and not lose warranty.
Pros: everything.
I do not see the point of having a non rooted android phone with some sort of recovery.. Custom ROMs, themes and titanium backup for all your apps
here ya go http://bit.ly/UUaCxg
Don't do it and please leave.
All you need to do is read over all the great threads around here to form a decision.
To root.
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Ive rooted before and I have explored almost all the developers' work on other phones.
Just to clarify im asking about this phone specifically. The first guy already answered my biggest concern about the wifi hotspot.
If you guys can think of any other immediate perks like: unwarranted tmo restrictions that are resolved via rooting this phone.
I will never go back to bone stock gs3 because I would miss out on _________.
Im already aware of the capability to "pirate" most paid apps.
Also there's the possibility of finding a more buttery smooth rom than the stock rom of course.
Extra battery life via underclocking with an aftermarket kernel is obviously another big one, but things im looking for are things on the same level as how rooting allows me to bypass the wifi hotspot limitations that tmo put on the 2gb plan
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I'd say that if you just want a phone to work and don't get about any extra stuff, don't bother rooting it. If you're interested in modifying your phone and basically being capable of doing A LOT more than you can with stock, root it.
Just make sure you do a lot of research before you do anything. I read hundreds of pages on this forum before I did anything just in case.
Adfree app, which requires root, changes everything for the better.
I mainly use my root for ad block, titanium backup, and maybe delete gsiff_daemon (didn't delete it yet because it hasn't tried to kill my battery yet). Something else that could be useful maybe GMD gesture control
There are a lot of nice apps that require root. Even if you don't have any apps in mind now, at some point you'll probably come across one you want and you'll kick yourself for not having gotten around to rooting yet. Besides tripping the flash counter and warranties the only con is the possibility of failing miserably and bricking your phone, but as long as you follow instructions you'll be fine.
ability to flash different radios for better/worse signal.
ability to flash different roms for better/worse battery life.
I have rooted every Android I have had in the Nexus One/Mytouch4G/HTC Amaze....and have had my s3 for a good 4 months now and have yet to root it.
Just meets my current needs and runs awesome without root.
I may one day, but honestly don't have the time or want right now.
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Jesse im in the same boat, the phone is already pretty snappy...
Im considering rooting it though to bypass tmo's restriction on wifi hotspot, and to be able to use google voice as my voicemail.
When I finally do root ill be looking forward to checking out the endless development for this popular device
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I have rooted every Android I have had in the Nexus One/Mytouch4G/HTC Amaze....and have had my s3 for a good 4 months now and have yet to root it.
Just meets my current needs and runs awesome without root.
I may one day, but honestly don't have the time or want right now.
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Took me 2 months to root mine... for the same reasons. Stock runs just fine... im just too into the customizations so I broke down nland rooted
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Took me 2 months to root mine... for the same reasons. Stock runs just fine... im just too into the customizations so I broke down nland rooted
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2 months? I know better
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2 months? I know better
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It did... u know it did. U buggee me till i did only to finally root yourself just so u can stay on stock rooted as always
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I rooted my phone mostly for Sixaxis. I play a a lot of emulators. Paired with the Gameklip I'm living the dream.
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It did... u know it did. U buggee me till i did only to finally root yourself just so u can stay on stock rooted as always
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Lmao...I gave wicked a shot, along with slim bean and something else I don't recall
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Just seeing how much people like being stock on the lg g3
I rooted to get rid of the annoying quick launch panel.
With the tweaks box i dont even care about other roms to be honest
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With the tweaks box i dont even care about other roms to be honest
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Thats how Im doing it as well....
I rooted just to block the advertising. Then I found out that I could get rid of Carrier IQ and so much more. I am glad I rooted this baby.
Rooted to remove some bloat AMD carrierIQ
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With the tweaks box i dont even care about other roms to be honest.
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Same here. Although I would love to see a SlimKat port. That would be a freaking beast.
I would like to just have some themes over sky dragon.
Stock sucks
AWESOME G3
I rooted so I can fix write to memory card problem.
Im on stock rooted and i love it (not that i wouldnt love an optimized rom more) but i was just getting sick of ads and the dpi made everything so big so that had to change too lol
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I rooted so I can fix write to memory card problem.
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Idk how i see so many people with this problem. I can use my mem card no problems since day 1.
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Rooted, sd write as mentioned, carrier iq, dpi, ads...hell, same reasons as everyone else. I don't mind it stock with root but I am hoping for AOSP builds honestly as I just prefer it. I should have got a nexus but knowing the 5 was nearing the point that one way or the other goggle would update it or go silver I just couldn't justify it so went with the g3. Now if only the locked bootloader gets defeated I feel confident this phone will fly.
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With the tweaks box i dont even care about other roms to be honest
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If I could trade the tweak box for Dirty Unicorns, I'd do it in a heartbeat lol
I rooted just because I can. Aside from a few minor tweaks from tweakbox, I'm still completely stock. Haven't flashed any roms or mods, although the WiFi tether mod has peaked my interest. This phone is nearly perfect right out the box. Haven't felt the need to install a custom Rom. Most of them are stock roms anyway.
I rooted in order to use TWRP recovery and various xposed tweaks. I can honestly say that after rooting and applying some xposed mods, I don't even miss the AOSP experience on my previous Nexus devices. This stock ROM (with the right tweaks) absolutely flies and has some nice features that I'd miss with an AOSP ROM. I think my days of flashing AOSP ROMs are over.
I want to root but I don't know where to begin and how to get stuffs like ads block, dpi changer ... Do I need to flash new ROM to get those?? Could someone please show me to the right direction?
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I rooted in order to use TWRP recovery and various xposed tweaks. I can honestly say that after rooting and applying some xposed mods, I don't even miss the AOSP experience on my previous Nexus devices. This stock ROM (with the right tweaks) absolutely flies and has some nice features that I'd miss with an AOSP ROM. I think my days of flashing AOSP ROMs are over.
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What Xposed tweaks are you using?
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Many will be running stock, but it wont be the op definition of stock (aka no root) this is after all...xda development, according to the vote, 87% are here just for that lol
I pretty much always root, but I couldn't stay stock since I found the UI to be unresponsive at times. I'm currently running the SkyDragon ROM and kernel along with Nova Launcher and other mods.
I went ahead and rooted my phone in order to get rid of the lag/stutter and to get rid of bloat and Carrier IQ. Of course, as I've gotten farther down the rabbit hole, I now have TWRP Recovery and have downloaded (not installed yet!) Skydragon's ROM and Kernel to take advantage of further optimizations.
I had a One (m7) and a G2 and never felt the need to root as T-Mobile's footprint on them was pretty limited. But, getting back in the saddle on XDA and using these amazing developers' work has rekindled my interest in the details!