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Why wouldn’t they stop giving updates for this device? It is one of the most successful android tablets in the world. So my guess is that they will have many updates to come.
so am i right in thinkink there is nothing i can do to root my fire tv ? thanks in advance for the replies guys as this question has probably been asked tons of times
software version 51.1.4.0_user_514006420
if root is not possible at the moment does anyone know if it will be in the future, also should i update the firmware to the latest version or block it and wait for a root fix, would updating it to the latest version be a bad idea
Guide to all your questions
aftvnews.com/start/ (sorry not able to post links yet)
Go here. It will have a step by step guide on how to start the setup process and see if you have a rootable version.
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looks like i don't have a rootable version which blows, will be getting sent right back, why would amazon go backwards doing everything they can to stop people rooting the device and literally making it 10x what it is without being rooted, so its basically still there equipment even though i payed for it and i own it but yet they can still do what they please via ota updates ie, bricking the device if root detected, bunch of plebs, makes me so mad... f-u amazon
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looks like i don't have a rootable version which blows, will be getting sent right back, why would amazon go backwards doing everything they can to stop people rooting the device and literally making it 10x what it is without being rooted, so its basically still there equipment even though i payed for it and i own it but yet they can still do what they please via ota updates ie, bricking the device if root detected, bunch of plebs, makes me so mad... f-u amazon
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You must block updates at the time you unbox your FireTV. If you set it up without blocking updates it will update to unRootable FW..
My unit came with an ''at this moment in time" an unrootable firmware version
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My unit came with an ''at this moment in time" an unrootable firmware version
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Where did you buy/receive it from ? Only UK/GER FTV's are shipping like that. That we know off... Did you block IP's at time of setup ?
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...why would amazon go backwards doing everything they can to stop people rooting the device and literally making it 10x what it is without being rooted, so its basically still there equipment even though i payed for it and i own it but yet they can still do what they please via ota updates ie, bricking the device if root detected, bunch of plebs, makes me so mad... f-u amazon
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They do it because too many noobs are trying to root it and actually brick it, then they return it saying it doesn't work only to turn around and attempt it again. Of course, I don't mean anyone here.
Blocked it via my Asus router before I even turned it on and I purchased it of Amazon buddy, it would of been awesome with xbmc on it to
Some 1 will find a fix for getting the new firmware rooted, a lot of clever peeps out there, I'm not 1 of them lol
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Blocked it via my Asus router before I even turned it on and I purchased it of Amazon buddy, it would of been awesome with xbmc on it to
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You can install xbmc without it having root...
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Blocked it via my Asus router before I even turned it on and I purchased it of Amazon buddy, it would of been awesome with xbmc on it to
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Easy fix if you have all the packaging... Buy one from BestBuy or Staples. Make sure it's Rootable. Return the one you got from amazon to the local store. Or just order another one from Amazon before the current price which Ends December 28. And then send back the unRootable one. Done.
whats the best version of xbmc to install as there is a new version juts release called kodi 14.0 helix?
can i install google play store without root ? thanks all
im new to xbmc, can some1 help me out on streaming content from my windows 7 computer to xbmc on the fire tv, not sure which method to use or of which i can use, upnp, nfs or smb, would like all meta data and movie tv show description if possible, thanks inm advance
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why would amazon go backwards doing everything they can to stop people rooting the device and literally making it 10x what it is without being rooted
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Quite possibly because it takes about $93 USD to manufacture & assemble an AFTB. They are dependant upon sales of services/software/goods to make it profitable. A strategy not unlike what they (and others) have done with other hardware....Sony PS3 was a prime example of this strategy where the company actually accepted a loss on all early model sales.
If/when users root and install Google Play related services (or really ANY alternative to their offerings) Amazon's chances of any financial gain are drastically reduced. Not to say root is necessary to install Play Store & whatnot, more so custom roms that don't market amazon products do require it.
Imagine if retailers were allowed to do that....just lock you in or hijack your browser. Not allowing you to shop at their competition. Guess they just figure indentured customers are better than no customers.
https://android-review.googlesource.com/#/c/117742/
There's no exploit example, but maybe there's a new hope for getting root on the Fire TV Stick and newer Fire TVs. Can anyone confirm the Fire TV has the vulnerable code?
This is very exciting! Crossing my fingers!
Oh boy. This one is BIG. If the Fire TV uses this library, it's just a matter of time.
http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2015-1474/
Exciting news!!!
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Oh boy. This one is BIG. If the Fire TV uses this library, it's just a matter of time.
http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2015-1474/
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But if I read this right this affects only 5.0 devices. And AFTV is not 5.0 AFAIK.
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But if I read this right this affects only 5.0 devices. And AFTV is not 5.0 AFAIK.
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You didn't read it right. It affects 5.0 and below.
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You didn't read it right. It affects 5.0 and below.
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Yes, I read through the Android 4.4 sourcecode. The bug is already there. Unfortunately I am no CXX and security expert, so I hope someone else writes an exploit. Should not be too hard.
Not to discount any other dev, but rbox seems to be the guy that would know if its poossible. He seems to be the man when it comes to the Fire TV. Why not just ask rbox? He can probably give you a straight foward answer and you wouldn't have to speculate anymore. Just ask rbox, cause I am pretty sure he would know if it would work.
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Not to discount any other dev, but rbox seems to be the guy that would know if its poossible. He seems to be the man when it comes to the Fire TV. Why not just ask rbox? He can probably give you a straight foward answer and you wouldn't have to speculate anymore. Just ask rbox, cause I am pretty sure he would know if it would work.
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You mention @rbox so many times, but you don't really mention him at the same time. Want his attention? Mention @rbox
its still not going to fix the efuse. amazon really lost my support when that happened.. fireTV is a bedroom box now and i've moved to the 100$ M8 amlogic box running openelec.. if you want something for pure XBMC this is a much better option and fully supports different refresh rates.
Right it won't fix the efuse but I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one still using the old firmware without efuse and hoping for software root...
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You mention @rbox so many times, but you don't really mention him at the same time. Want his attention? Mention @rbox
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I do not want his attention at all. I was simply informing people that if they wanna a quick reliable answer that rbox would probably be the one to ask. I have said several times that I could care less about rooting my Fire TV. I just know how these threads pan out, they usually end up in arguements over wheather or not its possible, so I was trying to give them a quick solution to their question. If they wanna now if its possible they could probably get an answer from rbox and there would be no more speculation and nobody would have to eventually get mad when someone says it won't work. He is a reliable source so why wouldn't they wanna ask him? If I mention him it means I mentioned him period. Yes I mentiond him, cause without a doubt he is probably considered the top dev for the Fire TV. No harm in mentioning him or trying to point people in the right direction to ge an answer. If they ask him today and he responds with a definative answer today, they have their answer and there will be no more wondering.
From what I read, this alone isn't enough to gain root. You need to combine this with other exploit(s) to get it. I've read that there is a forthcoming proof of concept that uses it. So we just have to wait and see. But... hope is not lost totally for people with the fire tv with the fuse blown. Before I had the unlock working, I was working on safestrap for the fire tv. Safestrap allows you to boot to recovery with a locked bootloader. So if this results in root for the newer firetvs with the blown fuse, making a safestrap package is a possibility. No promises on when or if it would actually happen. As for that happening with the stick... highly unlikely (from me) because it's a completely different architecture from the Fire TV.
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From what I read, this alone isn't enough to gain root. You need to combine this with other exploit(s) to get it. I've read that there is a forthcoming proof of concept that uses it. So we just have to wait and see. But... hope is not lost totally for people with the fire tv with the fuse blown. Before I had the unlock working, I was working on safestrap for the fire tv. Safestrap allows you to boot to recovery with a locked bootloader. So if this results in root for the newer firetvs with the blown fuse, making a safestrap package is a possibility. No promises on when or if it would actually happen. As for that happening with the stick... highly unlikely (from me) because it's a completely different architecture from the Fire TV.
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RBox, thanks for chiming in. Many of us are hoping for a FireTV Stick root. I guess we'll have to wait and see like you said. Hopefully we'll hear something soon! Any particular forum we can keep an eye on besides this one?
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RBox, thanks for chiming in. Many of us are hoping for a FireTV Stick root. I guess we'll have to wait and see like you said. Hopefully we'll hear something soon! Any particular forum we can keep an eye on besides this one?
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I had googled the CVE number and found a thread on one of the samsung forums here that they were discussing it.
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RBox, thanks for chiming in. Many of us are hoping for a FireTV Stick root. I guess we'll have to wait and see like you said. Hopefully we'll hear something soon! Any particular forum we can keep an eye on besides this one?
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This thread is full of Samsung Note 4 users salivating for a new root exploit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/general/galaxy-note-4-root-progress-t2961974/page111
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This thread is full of Samsung Note 4 users salivating for a new root exploit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/general/galaxy-note-4-root-progress-t2961974/page111
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Ahh yes, because the AT&T ones come with a locked Bootloader I heard about that... They (we) all deserve it too because we paid for the device!
If the method to root is similar *and* it is possible, then its just a matter of time...
Watch defy. Closed bootloader is sad.
But no Problem at all.
2nd init is long time happened
We need the right dev.
Quarks is the superman
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Ahh yes, because the AT&T ones come with a locked Bootloader I heard about that... They (we) all deserve it too because we paid for the device!
If the method to root is similar *and* it is possible, then its just a matter of time...
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Just because you buy a device does not mean that you deserve to be able to do something that the makers of it never intended it to do. Its like someone goin out and buying an RX7 and saying it deserves to go faster than a Lambo. Any mildly intelligent person would have never bought the Mazda if they wanted it to outrun a Lambo, cause they would know ahead of time its not made to outrun a Lambo. I can understand why people wanna root. I even have rooted devices, but to get mad because you cannot root a device makes zero sense. You knew Amazon did not want you to root it before you bought it, so why complain now? You deserve many things in life simply by being human, but a rooted Fire TV is not on the list of things that anyone deserves. Look at it like this, if root never comes too the newer firmwares, you will forget about when you buy your next device. I must admit I was kinda irked when I read that some Fire TVs cannot be rooted, but i took my chances and bought it anyway, and now I have a nonrootable device, and its absoluely not a big deal. I knew ahead of time what I was getting into and if I get root one day that will be fine, but if I don't I am still fine wiith that too. My Fire TV does everything I need it to do without root so its really not a big deal. I have noticed after I got a little older that the alure of cool apps and cool mods have worn away. I no longer care how cool my Android devices look or what cool tweaks I can use, I simply just want a device that does what its supposed to do. I have done so much "cool stuff" on Android devices that I am actually burnt out. I don't even carry my cell anymore. I have a Galaxy Note that has never been outside except for when UPS dropped it off. Trust me, not having root for your Android device is not gonna have any negative effects on your life if it does not happen.
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Just because you buy a device does not mean that you deserve to be able to do something that the makers of it never intended it to do. Its like someone goin out and buying an RX7 and saying it deserves to go faster than a Lambo. Any mildly intelligent person would have never bought the Mazda if they wanted it to outrun a Lambo, cause they would know ahead of time its not made to outrun a Lambo.
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That is a terrible example. Since we buy the devices we should be able to do what we want with them, similar with cars. We buy cars and since we bought them, we can customize them as we wish. Last I checked, there was nothing in place from stopping me from popping the hood open and doing what I wish with the engine or interior.
Your poor example is akin to saying I bought a cheap outdated phone like an Alcatel and saying it deserves to be faster than an HTC One M8. Learn to troll better.
I was curious to know if there were any new roots for the FireTV? I'm running 51.1.4.3 and from what it says on aftvnews, this version cannot be rooted. With that said, any version higher than 51.1.2.0 can't be rooted.
Any ideas on to why this is? And if there are alternatives to their method? Or, can I down grade to the supported software to allow a root?
Thank you!
No we cannot root newer firmwares.No you cannot downgrade unless you are already rooted. I think our best chance of finding root for the Fire TV is by upgrading the Android version to 4.4 or higher. I would love for Amazon to upgrade our firmware to Android 4.4+ for app compatibility issues, but I also think that it gives us a better chance of achieving root on newer firmwares. Amazon has Android 4.2.2 locked down and it would probably take a miracle to find an exploit for rooting. They have been using 4.2.2 for awhile and they have basically secured it from being rooted.
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No we cannot root newer firmwares.No you cannot downgrade unless you are already rooted. I think our best chance of finding root for the Fire TV is by upgrading the Android version to 4.4 or higher. I would love for Amazon to upgrade our firmware to Android 4.4+ for app compatibility issues, but I also think that it gives us a better chance of achieving root on newer firmwares. Amazon has Android 4.2.2 locked down and it would probably take a miracle to find an exploit for rooting. They have been using 4.2.2 for awhile and they have basically secured it from being rooted.
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Shoot, that's unfortunate to hear! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed hoping that they switch to 4.4+
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Shoot, that's unfortunate to hear! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed hoping that they switch to 4.4+
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i was thinking the same as your orignal post but for the TV STICK.
im tempted to try eroot's latest version. i know they have been able to exploit Lollipop recently but i read that the issue exists on previous versions too somewhere on xda. PingPong root for the samsung galaxy S6 uses this exploit too.
also as a company that doesn't rely on the google ecosystem, what advantage will they have by moving to a newer OS? for them, they are happy with their build. it does everything they want it to do and as the previous user said... they've got most of the exploits out
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i was thinking the same as your orignal post but for the TV STICK.
im tempted to try eroot's latest version. i know they have been able to exploit Lollipop recently but i read that the issue exists on previous versions too somewhere on xda. PingPong root for the samsung galaxy S6 uses this exploit too.
also as a company that doesn't rely on the google ecosystem, what advantage will they have by moving to a newer OS? for them, they are happy with their build. it does everything they want it to do and as the previous user said... they've got most of the exploits out
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Exactly. I can't think of an argument for amazon wanting to upgrade the OS. Theres actually a very small fraction of users that buy these products and modify them. There's maybe an argument that newer set top boxes will compete with aftv (well that's a given) But IMO its likely they'd address that with a second generation unit. I haven't heard anything regarding this but sure its coming. Apple is about to release #4 which is their fourth box in what? --8 years? There are several roku boxes and aftv is over a year old. So it just seems logical we'll see a new aftv running a newer OS than we will see this console upgrade.
But obviously I hope I'm seeing this wrong.
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Exactly. I can't think of an argument for amazon wanting to upgrade the OS. Theres actually a very small fraction of users that buy these products and modify them. There's maybe an argument that newer set top boxes will compete with aftv (well that's a given) But IMO its likely they'd address that with a second generation unit. I haven't heard anything regarding this but sure its coming. Apple is about to release #4 which is their fourth box in what? --8 years? There are several roku boxes and aftv is over a year old. So it just seems logical we'll see a new aftv running a newer OS than we will see this console upgrade.
But obviously I hope I'm seeing this wrong.
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There are several reason why they should upgrade to 4.4 or higher, Its real simple, when the apps that Amazon are using as their default Fire TV apps start to require Android 4.4 to install them, then they are no longer default Fire TV apps. It has already happened with several Fire TV apps. Wait til some of the big name apps that a lot of people use requires Android 4.4 and Amazon will have no choice to upgrade to 4.4+. If some of the developers of the more popular apps start requiring android 4.4 then amazon will upgrade quickly. Its gonna happen, cause never since I have been using Android has so many app developers required such a new version of Android to install so many apps. Just in the past couple months I have lost 20+ apps because they started requiring Android 4.4. The only thing I can figure out is that all the app companies are getting ready for Android M, cause there is a rumor that the apps for Android M will not be compatible with other versions of Android. There is also a rumor that Android M is going to let you choose which services you will let each app use when you install apps. Like if you were installing Facebook and no longer wanted facebook to have control of your contacts of location services, then you can just uncheck those option when you install the app. Who knows if the rumors are true, but if they are then Amazon will have to do something in terms of an upgrade. Its not unheard of for an OS to drop support on devices. Even Apple quits supporting their own devices rather quickly. Like if you take an old iphone or ipad and open the app store it will tell you no apps are compatibble because your version of ios is not new enough, and nothing can be installed because there is no newer updates from Apple. The same thing is gonna happen to the Fire TV if its not upgraded. Wait and see.
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There are several reason why they should upgrade to 4.4 or higher, Its real simple, when the apps that Amazon are using as their default Fire TV apps start to require Android 4.4 to install them, then they are no longer default Fire TV apps. It has already happened with several Fire TV apps. Wait til some of the big name apps that a lot of people use requires Android 4.4 and Amazon will have no choice to upgrade to 4.4+. If some of the developers of the more popular apps start requiring android 4.4 then amazon will upgrade quickly. Its gonna happen, cause never since I have been using Android has so many app developers required such a new version of Android to install so many apps. Just in the past couple months I have lost 20+ apps because they started requiring Android 4.4. The only thing I can figure out is that all the app companies are getting ready for Android M, cause there is a rumor that the apps for Android M will not be compatible with other versions of Android. There is also a rumor that Android M is going to let you choose which services you will let each app use when you install apps. Like if you were installing Facebook and no longer wanted facebook to have control of your contacts of location services, then you can just uncheck those option when you install the app. Who knows if the rumors are true, but if they are then Amazon will have to do something in terms of an upgrade. Its not unheard of for an OS to drop support on devices. Even Apple quits supporting their own devices rather quickly. Like if you take an old iphone or ipad and open the app store it will tell you no apps are compatibble because your version of ios is not new enough, and nothing can be installed because there is no newer updates from Apple. The same thing is gonna happen to the Fire TV if its not upgraded. Wait and see.
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That's a good point. I didn't consider the fact the aftv would become obsolete by not keeping up with the software. I was focusing on the hardware getting beaten by competition which might happen sooner given the boxes on the horizon. A year ago, you really didn't have many other affordable options to run kodi and apps like netflix in HD. Now you've got a few and more to come. I think a lot will have to do with timing. Amazon seems to listen to their customer base (not us in particular) but if the public embraces 4k more and the newer boxes start to take a bigger piece of the market...I'm just saying it'll be interesting.
It depends on Amazon's view from a business point--why do the customer's buy the product? Will Netflix be affected by running an older OS? (btw--to me the answer to that is it already is! I've been doing netflix instant streaming since it first started the service and i ran it solely on my laptop. AFTV to this day has the most netflix bugs out of all the devices I've ever used.) Amazon has the money to make a better box and make it cheaper than any other company I think. Apple seems to get it finally, but I doubt I'd be interested in that--if you complain about amazon's controlled ecosystem, they have nothing on apple. Doesn't matter because people buy apple and that only helps further the advancement of android tv type boxes.
Don't get me wrong. I hope you're 100% right and the OS gets upgraded ASAP but even if that's inevitable, I'm not certain AFTV will be the box to own at that point, if say it happens around Xmas--when others have been running Lollipop.
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That's a good point. I didn't consider the fact the aftv would become obsolete by not keeping up with the software. I was focusing on the hardware getting beaten by competfn which might happen sooner given the boxes on the horizon. A year ago, you really didn't have many other affordable options to run kodi and apps like netflix in HD. Now you've got a few and more to come. I think a lot will have to do with timing. Amazon seems to listen to their customer base (not us in particular) but if the public embraces 4k more and the newer boxes start to take a bigger piece of the market...I'm just saying it'll be interesting.
It depends on Amazon's view from a business point--why do the customer's buy the product? Will Netflix be affected by running an older OS? (btw--to me the answer to that is it already is! I've been doing netflix instant streaming since it first started the service and i ran it solely on my laptop. AFTV to this day has the most netflix bugs out of all the devices I've ever used.) Amazon has the money to make a better box and make it cheaper than any other company I think. Apple seems to get it finally, but I doubt I'd be interested in that--if you complain about amazon's controlled ecosystem, they have nothing on apple. Doesn't matter because people buy apple and that only helps further the advancement of android tv type boxes.
Don't get me wrong. I hope you're 100% right and the OS gets upgraded ASAP but even if that's inevitable, I'm not certain AFTV will be the box to own at that point, if say it happens around Xmas--when others have been running Lollipop.
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I think the Fire TV can last for years, but first we have to get newer firmwares rooted. Then we need to get another system running on the Fire TV. I would like to see something happen with the Fire TV like what happened with windows mobile, running two and three OS at a time. I used to run windows mobile and Android on my old tilt 2 and that was 6 years ago. All you had to do was put the android system on an SDCard and boot into it. I would like to see that happen with the Fire TV, where we can put other systems on an external drive and boot into them.
The hardware is fine on the Fire TV, and specs are not everything. Just because specs are great on paper does not mean you will get better performance in all areas. I think HTPCs have proven that specs mean much less than companies lead you to believe. The Raspberry Pi is a clear example that a low cost low powered device is more than enough to make use of. I am still running an Apple TV 1 with 256mb of ram and 1ghz which is under clocked by Apple to run at 600mhz, and it performs very well. The Fire TV can run for five or more years as long as Amazon keeps updating it, or developers find a way to get a new OS on to it.
Software is way more important, cause as soon as Amazon, Windows, Apple etc stop updating devices you either have to put a different system on it or get something else. So like I said, as soon as more apps require a ewer version of Android, Amazon can either upgrade to a newer version of Android or let the Fire TV become obsolete. I for one hope they upgrade. I know some people have said Amazon has no need to upgrade to a newer version, but if they don't the Fire TV will be useless, and that's a fact.
I've read a few articles (one of which was from xda back in March or April) stating that there are rumors of a new Shield TV in the works. Other articles stated that they were excpecting NVidia to possibly make an announcement in May. I know rumors are rumors, but curious to know if there are any other leaks now that we're into June?
Thanks
yea it said they are on a four year schedule. but no other info has been given
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yea it said they are on a four year schedule. but no other info has been given
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I would hate to buy one now, then a new version gets release in a month or two.
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I would hate to buy one now, then a new version gets release in a month or two.
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I bought 2017 model today. I prepare for repentance
Even though NVidia has a trade-up program, they only give you $20. Not near enough to compensate the original cost!
I came across this and other articles like it yesterday:
androidpolice.com/2019/06/15/new-nvidia-shield-tv-running-android-9-pie-pops-up-in-play-console-device-catalog/
Apparently, a new Shield TV is coming! Not much is know except it will feature a different processor and Android Pie.
I actually just purchased my Shield the other day. I have it loaded with emulators, DirecTV Now, and I am absolutely loving it! I hate that a new version is on the horizon when I just bought this beast, but that's the name of the game I suppose.
Considering a number of new bugs introduced and not fixing existing in new Pie update, I am skeptical regarding a next Shield. Nvidia should partner a good software vendor to make the Shield valuable.
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Considering a number of new bugs introduced and not fixing existing in new Pie update, I am skeptical regarding a next Shield. Nvidia should partner a good software vendor to make the Shield valuable.
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Pretty sure that Nvidia has supported the shield for far longer than anyone expected. Bugs and all, it's still the best thing you can hook up to your TV outside of a HTPC.
Note: I own two Nvidia Shield TV's (both the 2015 16gb versions) and I've owned one of them since the original launch date of may 2015.