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Lollipop update for Galaxy Tab PRO 8.4

Since this is first samsung device which i own, i dont know which sites to follow for informations.
So i would be thankfull if anyone can say, will this tablet get lollipop treatment.
I dont want to be dissapointed because its new, 3-4 months old tablet.

electrash said:
will this tablet get lollipop treatment.
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Who knows? We don't even know if our devices will get an official 4.4.4 let alone 5.0.
Samsung won't ever give you confirmation of something like an upcoming update as usually their support desks seem to know so little that you may as well ask the man in the moon.
CM12 will bring AOSP Lollipop, but it's still work in progress

hundred_miles_high said:
Who knows? We don't even know if our devices will get an official 4.4.4 let alone 5.0.
Samsung won't ever give you confirmation of something like an upcoming update as usually their support desks seem to know so little that you may as well ask the man in the moon.
CM12 will bring AOSP Lollipop, but it's still work in progress
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So that means no high hope for update. I guess this will be my first and last device from them. Thank you for answer

electrash said:
So that means no high hope for update. I guess this will be my first and last device from them. Thank you for answer
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I wouldn't give up hope just yet (Lollipop hasn't been out for long), but neither would I be holding my breath for an update either.....

Samsung has to integrate TouchWiz and do a lot of quality testing , if they released an unstable or unsecured release of Lollipop it would cause more problems and customers as they have a reputation to keep, if you look at Samsungs line of products maybe only one or two products actually have Lollipop, as they are probably slowly testing feedback and bugreports, if they just recklessly just throw an update to every-device it would cause havoc
If I had to guess I would say sometime next year (probably within the first 3-4 months) this tablet will get a update.

otyg said:
Samsung has to integrate TouchWiz and do a lot of quality testing , if they released an unstable or unsecured release of Lollipop it would cause more problems and customers as they have a reputation to keep,
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This is what they should be doing, but if you look at this years 4.3 Jellybean release for Galaxy S3 they appeared to have done none of it. Also, just read this morning that the Note 4 will skip straight to 5.0.1 - so they're probably not going to waste much time porting many more snapdragon devices to 5.0, which could mean an even longer delay.
Please excuse my cynicism, I've been a Samsung customer for too long....

electrash said:
Since this is first samsung device which i own, i dont know which sites to follow for informations.
So i would be thankfull if anyone can say, will this tablet get lollipop treatment.
I dont want to be dissapointed because its new, 3-4 months old tablet.
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I'm guessing May or June of 2015 for Android 5.x and that will be the last update. I really hope they get Lollipop on the Note 10.1 2014, which is more important to me than my tab pro 8.4.

hundred_miles_high said:
Who knows? We don't even know if our devices will get an official 4.4.4 let alone 5.0.
Samsung won't ever give you confirmation of something like an upcoming update as usually their support desks seem to know so little that you may as well ask the man in the moon.
CM12 will bring AOSP Lollipop, but it's still work in progress
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by using your logic, the galaxy s5 hasnt got 5.0, because it hasnt got 4.4.4 too

timuralaskara said:
by using your logic, the galaxy s5 hasnt got 5.0, because it hasnt got 4.4.4 too
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Say what?
Where did i say that one was dependent on getting the other?
By my logic Samsung haven't confirmed one or the other - not the next incremental revision, let alone the next version.
From past experience they are unlikely to respond fully to enquiries about what updates are due and remain very non commital at the best of times.
pretty straight forward to understand......

Lollipop 5.0.2. just started rolling out to the Tab S series:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/23/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-8-4-gets-the-lollipop-update/
Hopefully it's not that big a leap to get out the Tab Pro series as well. I don't think the differences were anything radical....

d99x said:
Lollipop 5.0.2. just started rolling out to the Tab S series:
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/23/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-8-4-gets-the-lollipop-update/
Hopefully it's not that big a leap to get out the Tab Pro series as well. I don't think the differences were anything radical....
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I saw on one site that whole pro line will get lollipop 5.0.2 very soon.
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Samsung Lollipop update uncertainties
I was about to buy a Galaxy Tab Pro (3 actually) but this whole Lollipop update thing has given me cold feet. I'm going to stick with iPads. I just don't like the feeling they're withholding OS updates in order to drive new (Galaxy Tab S2) hardware sales. I always felt that was happening with Windows and PC hardware vendors and I ended up buying a Mac because of it (and never looked back).
Good luck guys and may all your Lollipops be as fruity as an Apple.

simty said:
I was about to buy a Galaxy Tab Pro (3 actually) but this whole Lollipop update thing has given me cold feet. I'm going to stick with iPads. I just don't like the feeling they're withholding OS updates in order to drive new (Galaxy Tab S2) hardware sales. I always felt that was happening with Windows and PC hardware vendors and I ended up buying a Mac because of it (and never looked back).
Good luck guys and may all your Lollipops be as fruity as an Apple.
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Well hello mr apple troll. You do realise ios updates can take ages also? having owned 5 ios devices from iphone 1 to ipad 1 to ipad air 2 etc. Apple also hold update releases until the next new product generally "the best thing yet since.." enjoy your limited ios device. For me it's Android

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Sayid_Jarah said:
Well hello mr apple troll. You do realise ios updates can take ages also? having owned 5 ios devices from iphone 1 to ipad 1 to ipad air 2 etc. Apple also hold update releases until the next new product generally "the best thing yet since.." enjoy your limited ios device. For me it's Android
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I work for a Google school and I think that's just about the biggest vote of platform confidence anyone can give. We do need at least one new Android tablet to test Appinventor Apps and we will buy. However, KitKat has been a frustration. Not being able to capture direct to MicroSD for example is unforgivable in the modern OS era. Lollipop promises to fix a great many KitKat issues and I think the HARDWARE partners like Samsung have a responsibility to get the customer base past KitKat ASAP.
I do not know what you mean when you say: "Apple holds update releases". But if you are suggesting that Apple only applies software updates to ONE generation of hardware you are totally wrong. I have an iPad 2 which has now had 5 different iOS iterations from iOS4 to iOS8 and is now possibly 3x better than the already excellent device I originally purchased. I've never had to even wait extra time because it's an older device. I want this for Android as well! and I reserve the right to put as much pressure as I can to make the hardware vendors give it to us. Let's not forget the damage platform fragmentation does to the Android developer community. It's in the best long-term interests of all hardware partners to keep as many of us as possible on the newest version of Android but they are not walking the walk. We need to encourage them.
My intentions are good, peace out.

simty said:
I was about to buy a Galaxy Tab Pro (3 actually) but this whole Lollipop update thing has given me cold feet. I'm going to stick with iPads. I just don't like the feeling they're withholding OS updates in order to drive new (Galaxy Tab S2) hardware sales. I always felt that was happening with Windows and PC hardware vendors and I ended up buying a Mac because of it (and never looked back).
Good luck guys and may all your Lollipops be as fruity as an Apple.
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Funny that I can't update my GFs macbook past osx 10.7 because 'it's too old' when it more than meets requirements.
No need to shill here.

Give me a break!
Swizzy88 said:
Funny that I can't update my GFs macbook past osx 10.7 because 'it's too old' when it more than meets requirements.
No need to shill here.
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Well, the youngest that MacBook could possibly be is October 2008! Unfortunately it's a 32bit machine which is just a different technology generation. It is a bit of bad luck though. I have a MacBook Pro from Mid 2007 that's running the very latest Yosemite OS just fine. It's pretty amazing when an 8 year old computer just keeps getting better and better for free. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. Screenshots of the system profile can be posted if you have doubts.

I don't know why people are trying to argue this, it's a simple fact that Apple are just better in updates than Samsung will ever be. The main reason for it is that it's easy for Apple to support since they make their own hardware and software that doesn't run on thousands of devices like Android. Samsung should still try to do a better job at updating. I don't like how they didn't even say whether the Tab Pros will get Lollipop or not, even though they were released only a few months before the Tab Ss (which did get Lollipop) and are just as powerful (they use the same chips).
Regardless I myself am gonna flash CM12 on my Pro 8.4 because I don't know if Samsung ever intend on giving us the update we deserve and regardless I am tired of TouchWiz.

Well one thing Android will have that Apple never will, is Android IS OPEN SOURCE and also Samsung is pretty good in releasing the source code for its products and kernels, meaning even if they don't release an update for a specific device it can still be supported by 3rd party firmwares or if you want to compile it yourself. - let's see someone do that with Apple.
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception.do
You don't think Apple has IOS 8 or 9 in the works? if it was Open Source like Android then Apple users would be doing the same thing begging for the update, but since Apple is closed source you don't hear about it until they tell you.
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Also I still think the Tab Pro series will still get an update , I think Samsung owes at least one major version update being it was released at nearly the same time as the Tab S - I am suspecting it will be next in line for the lollipop update - considering its the Pro series line it might need more security and testing then the S series does.

lollipop update for tab pro.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...-1-Lollipop-Update-is-coming-by-Early-Q3-2015

simty said:
I Not being able to capture direct to MicroSD for example is unforgivable in the modern OS era. Lollipop promises to fix a great many KitKat issues and I think the HARDWARE partners like Samsung have a responsibility to get the customer base past KitKat ASAP.
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3rd party apps not being able to write to the SD card is a deliberate security decision. However, it is easily overridden by an app from the Play Store. Search for "sdfix". BTW, it is also needed in lollipop so waiting for 5.1.1 won't help.

[Q] Any new roots?

I was curious to know if there were any new roots for the FireTV? I'm running 51.1.4.3 and from what it says on aftvnews, this version cannot be rooted. With that said, any version higher than 51.1.2.0 can't be rooted.
Any ideas on to why this is? And if there are alternatives to their method? Or, can I down grade to the supported software to allow a root?
Thank you!

No we cannot root newer firmwares.No you cannot downgrade unless you are already rooted. I think our best chance of finding root for the Fire TV is by upgrading the Android version to 4.4 or higher. I would love for Amazon to upgrade our firmware to Android 4.4+ for app compatibility issues, but I also think that it gives us a better chance of achieving root on newer firmwares. Amazon has Android 4.2.2 locked down and it would probably take a miracle to find an exploit for rooting. They have been using 4.2.2 for awhile and they have basically secured it from being rooted.

porkenhimer said:
No we cannot root newer firmwares.No you cannot downgrade unless you are already rooted. I think our best chance of finding root for the Fire TV is by upgrading the Android version to 4.4 or higher. I would love for Amazon to upgrade our firmware to Android 4.4+ for app compatibility issues, but I also think that it gives us a better chance of achieving root on newer firmwares. Amazon has Android 4.2.2 locked down and it would probably take a miracle to find an exploit for rooting. They have been using 4.2.2 for awhile and they have basically secured it from being rooted.
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Shoot, that's unfortunate to hear! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed hoping that they switch to 4.4+

Muscle Nerd said:
Shoot, that's unfortunate to hear! I'll be keeping my fingers crossed hoping that they switch to 4.4+
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i was thinking the same as your orignal post but for the TV STICK.
im tempted to try eroot's latest version. i know they have been able to exploit Lollipop recently but i read that the issue exists on previous versions too somewhere on xda. PingPong root for the samsung galaxy S6 uses this exploit too.
also as a company that doesn't rely on the google ecosystem, what advantage will they have by moving to a newer OS? for them, they are happy with their build. it does everything they want it to do and as the previous user said... they've got most of the exploits out

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i was thinking the same as your orignal post but for the TV STICK.
im tempted to try eroot's latest version. i know they have been able to exploit Lollipop recently but i read that the issue exists on previous versions too somewhere on xda. PingPong root for the samsung galaxy S6 uses this exploit too.
also as a company that doesn't rely on the google ecosystem, what advantage will they have by moving to a newer OS? for them, they are happy with their build. it does everything they want it to do and as the previous user said... they've got most of the exploits out
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Exactly. I can't think of an argument for amazon wanting to upgrade the OS. Theres actually a very small fraction of users that buy these products and modify them. There's maybe an argument that newer set top boxes will compete with aftv (well that's a given) But IMO its likely they'd address that with a second generation unit. I haven't heard anything regarding this but sure its coming. Apple is about to release #4 which is their fourth box in what? --8 years? There are several roku boxes and aftv is over a year old. So it just seems logical we'll see a new aftv running a newer OS than we will see this console upgrade.
But obviously I hope I'm seeing this wrong.

KLit75 said:
Exactly. I can't think of an argument for amazon wanting to upgrade the OS. Theres actually a very small fraction of users that buy these products and modify them. There's maybe an argument that newer set top boxes will compete with aftv (well that's a given) But IMO its likely they'd address that with a second generation unit. I haven't heard anything regarding this but sure its coming. Apple is about to release #4 which is their fourth box in what? --8 years? There are several roku boxes and aftv is over a year old. So it just seems logical we'll see a new aftv running a newer OS than we will see this console upgrade.
But obviously I hope I'm seeing this wrong.
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There are several reason why they should upgrade to 4.4 or higher, Its real simple, when the apps that Amazon are using as their default Fire TV apps start to require Android 4.4 to install them, then they are no longer default Fire TV apps. It has already happened with several Fire TV apps. Wait til some of the big name apps that a lot of people use requires Android 4.4 and Amazon will have no choice to upgrade to 4.4+. If some of the developers of the more popular apps start requiring android 4.4 then amazon will upgrade quickly. Its gonna happen, cause never since I have been using Android has so many app developers required such a new version of Android to install so many apps. Just in the past couple months I have lost 20+ apps because they started requiring Android 4.4. The only thing I can figure out is that all the app companies are getting ready for Android M, cause there is a rumor that the apps for Android M will not be compatible with other versions of Android. There is also a rumor that Android M is going to let you choose which services you will let each app use when you install apps. Like if you were installing Facebook and no longer wanted facebook to have control of your contacts of location services, then you can just uncheck those option when you install the app. Who knows if the rumors are true, but if they are then Amazon will have to do something in terms of an upgrade. Its not unheard of for an OS to drop support on devices. Even Apple quits supporting their own devices rather quickly. Like if you take an old iphone or ipad and open the app store it will tell you no apps are compatibble because your version of ios is not new enough, and nothing can be installed because there is no newer updates from Apple. The same thing is gonna happen to the Fire TV if its not upgraded. Wait and see.

porkenhimer said:
There are several reason why they should upgrade to 4.4 or higher, Its real simple, when the apps that Amazon are using as their default Fire TV apps start to require Android 4.4 to install them, then they are no longer default Fire TV apps. It has already happened with several Fire TV apps. Wait til some of the big name apps that a lot of people use requires Android 4.4 and Amazon will have no choice to upgrade to 4.4+. If some of the developers of the more popular apps start requiring android 4.4 then amazon will upgrade quickly. Its gonna happen, cause never since I have been using Android has so many app developers required such a new version of Android to install so many apps. Just in the past couple months I have lost 20+ apps because they started requiring Android 4.4. The only thing I can figure out is that all the app companies are getting ready for Android M, cause there is a rumor that the apps for Android M will not be compatible with other versions of Android. There is also a rumor that Android M is going to let you choose which services you will let each app use when you install apps. Like if you were installing Facebook and no longer wanted facebook to have control of your contacts of location services, then you can just uncheck those option when you install the app. Who knows if the rumors are true, but if they are then Amazon will have to do something in terms of an upgrade. Its not unheard of for an OS to drop support on devices. Even Apple quits supporting their own devices rather quickly. Like if you take an old iphone or ipad and open the app store it will tell you no apps are compatibble because your version of ios is not new enough, and nothing can be installed because there is no newer updates from Apple. The same thing is gonna happen to the Fire TV if its not upgraded. Wait and see.
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That's a good point. I didn't consider the fact the aftv would become obsolete by not keeping up with the software. I was focusing on the hardware getting beaten by competition which might happen sooner given the boxes on the horizon. A year ago, you really didn't have many other affordable options to run kodi and apps like netflix in HD. Now you've got a few and more to come. I think a lot will have to do with timing. Amazon seems to listen to their customer base (not us in particular) but if the public embraces 4k more and the newer boxes start to take a bigger piece of the market...I'm just saying it'll be interesting.
It depends on Amazon's view from a business point--why do the customer's buy the product? Will Netflix be affected by running an older OS? (btw--to me the answer to that is it already is! I've been doing netflix instant streaming since it first started the service and i ran it solely on my laptop. AFTV to this day has the most netflix bugs out of all the devices I've ever used.) Amazon has the money to make a better box and make it cheaper than any other company I think. Apple seems to get it finally, but I doubt I'd be interested in that--if you complain about amazon's controlled ecosystem, they have nothing on apple. Doesn't matter because people buy apple and that only helps further the advancement of android tv type boxes.
Don't get me wrong. I hope you're 100% right and the OS gets upgraded ASAP but even if that's inevitable, I'm not certain AFTV will be the box to own at that point, if say it happens around Xmas--when others have been running Lollipop.

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That's a good point. I didn't consider the fact the aftv would become obsolete by not keeping up with the software. I was focusing on the hardware getting beaten by competfn which might happen sooner given the boxes on the horizon. A year ago, you really didn't have many other affordable options to run kodi and apps like netflix in HD. Now you've got a few and more to come. I think a lot will have to do with timing. Amazon seems to listen to their customer base (not us in particular) but if the public embraces 4k more and the newer boxes start to take a bigger piece of the market...I'm just saying it'll be interesting.
It depends on Amazon's view from a business point--why do the customer's buy the product? Will Netflix be affected by running an older OS? (btw--to me the answer to that is it already is! I've been doing netflix instant streaming since it first started the service and i ran it solely on my laptop. AFTV to this day has the most netflix bugs out of all the devices I've ever used.) Amazon has the money to make a better box and make it cheaper than any other company I think. Apple seems to get it finally, but I doubt I'd be interested in that--if you complain about amazon's controlled ecosystem, they have nothing on apple. Doesn't matter because people buy apple and that only helps further the advancement of android tv type boxes.
Don't get me wrong. I hope you're 100% right and the OS gets upgraded ASAP but even if that's inevitable, I'm not certain AFTV will be the box to own at that point, if say it happens around Xmas--when others have been running Lollipop.
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I think the Fire TV can last for years, but first we have to get newer firmwares rooted. Then we need to get another system running on the Fire TV. I would like to see something happen with the Fire TV like what happened with windows mobile, running two and three OS at a time. I used to run windows mobile and Android on my old tilt 2 and that was 6 years ago. All you had to do was put the android system on an SDCard and boot into it. I would like to see that happen with the Fire TV, where we can put other systems on an external drive and boot into them.
The hardware is fine on the Fire TV, and specs are not everything. Just because specs are great on paper does not mean you will get better performance in all areas. I think HTPCs have proven that specs mean much less than companies lead you to believe. The Raspberry Pi is a clear example that a low cost low powered device is more than enough to make use of. I am still running an Apple TV 1 with 256mb of ram and 1ghz which is under clocked by Apple to run at 600mhz, and it performs very well. The Fire TV can run for five or more years as long as Amazon keeps updating it, or developers find a way to get a new OS on to it.
Software is way more important, cause as soon as Amazon, Windows, Apple etc stop updating devices you either have to put a different system on it or get something else. So like I said, as soon as more apps require a ewer version of Android, Amazon can either upgrade to a newer version of Android or let the Fire TV become obsolete. I for one hope they upgrade. I know some people have said Amazon has no need to upgrade to a newer version, but if they don't the Fire TV will be useless, and that's a fact.

Oreo update starts rolling out today!

Good news guys Looks like Google is giving us treats for the holiday season.
https://www.gsmarena.com/android_wear_devices_to_get_oreo_update_starting_today-news-28614.php
I'm guessing that every watch that is supported by AW2.0 will also be getting Oreo update. Yes, original Huawei watch is already beyond the 2 year support period but i don't think that the same rules goes for watches like it's usually the case with phones. Do you think original HW will be getting Oreo? I mean, we got new security update some days ago so it's still supported

I hope so,waiting for the update in a month.

In comments on articles about this, people have been reporting even the original Moto 360 is already getting this. I'm not sure the relationship between android version and android wear code but maybe it's pretty easy to merge the Oreo updates with the manufacturer's code now that they are on AW 2.0.

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In comments on articles about this, people have been reporting even the original Moto 360 is already getting this. I'm not sure the relationship between android version and android wear code but maybe it's pretty easy to merge the Oreo updates with the manufacturer's code now that they are on AW 2.0.
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The original moto 360 never even made it to android wear 2.0, so I highly doubt it is getting this update.
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Good news guys Looks like Google is giving us treats for the holiday season.
https://www.gsmarena.com/android_wear_devices_to_get_oreo_update_starting_today-news-28614.php
I'm guessing that every watch that is supported by AW2.0 will also be getting Oreo update. Yes, original Huawei watch is already beyond the 2 year support period but i don't think that the same rules goes for watches like it's usually the case with phones. Do you think original HW will be getting Oreo? I mean, we got new security update some days ago so it's still supported
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The fact that we got a security update doesn't mean much. There were some pretty high profile vulnerabilities that needed patching (KRACK, etc.).

TheSt33v said:
The original moto 360 never even made it to android wear 2.0, so I highly doubt it is getting this update.
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Oh sheesh... so that particular comment was meant as a joke that went right over my head!

How can i return to the stock rom and unroot the device? Or just to return to the stock with the ota updates. Thanks im on the negalite now...

vuoshino said:
How can i return to the stock rom and unroot the device? Or just to return to the stock with the ota updates. Thanks im on the negalite now...
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Follow this video: https://youtu.be/qVrBEmi35-E
Files are on his server.
I accidentally installed AW 1.4 but received updates to update so now I'm on AW 2.6 A7.1.1 october patch

Don't expect it for this device.
Just read on an Android Wear g+ community that it is only coming for the Huawei watch 2.
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Yep we're screwed... Here's the official list

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Yep we're screwed... Here's the official list
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That sucks :/ I kinda knew this would happen eventhough i was optimistic and hopeful that Huawei Watch still gets it. So, it's finally the end of software support for our beloved original HW **** you, you ugly ass HW2!

Can someone explain this End Of Life situation though...? The Huawei Watch is STILL on sale via Huawei's direct website! Surely they shouldn't be selling a watch without providing the software support seriously!? I thought the deal was 2 years after the device goes on sale or 18 months after it stops being on sale (whichever is longer).
I think this statement needs to be reiterated to Huawei and Google.
Also I bought the watch thinking the support life would be alot longer than a phone... People don't buy +£200 watches for only 2 years usage.
This "policy" may have just made me decide that I'm not interested in Android Wear anymore... Even my Pixel 2 will have a longer shelf life!

EOL is not here yet, just no Oreo. This is near the bottom of the article.
Some of the watches dropped from support include the ASUS ZenWatch 2 and 3, the original Fossil Q Founder, the LG G Watch R/Urbane/Urbane LTE, the second-gen Moto 360 and 360 Sport, and the original Huawei Watch. Those watches will continue to get Android Wear updates (like the recent v2.6 update) through the Play Store, but the underlying Android version will be stuck on Nougat.
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Surely there will be a way to install as a custom Rom?

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Surely there will be a way to install as a custom Rom?
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The only one for the HW1 is discontinued. The dev's watch died and Huawei gave him a watch 2. If another dev steps up, yes, but since there was only one and that dev does not plan to continue.

The thing is I only love the look of HV1 watch. Most stylish. There is no other V2 watch out there that comes close.
I have a Huawei Mate 10 running Oreo so it's a shame my watch won't match my phone.

Custom ROMs are our only hope now!

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Custom ROMs are our only hope now!
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Well actually, just staying on wear 2 isn't a bad option, it still works wonderfully.

I agree. The more that Huawei Watch (1) is still officially on sale and is more expensive in stores than Huawei Watch 2.

I've made a post on their Swedish FB-site, here in Sweden it is still actively sold by two of Huawei's recommended resellers advertised at Huawei's site.
Can we figure out if the 18 months after sale claim is valid for Wear as well as regular Android? And was this formulated before or after the launch of the Watch?

I spoke to Huawei Technical Service. They do not have anywhere indicated that they provide support for 18 months from purchase / production. They claim that it depends on Google - not from them. They do not guarantee anything
It's a pity, because I have their P9 Plus smartphone and Watch 1 smartwatch and I think it makes the highest-class flagship.

No Android Pie for Moto G5+ and rest of the G5 series. WIll you still trust Motorola?

Source: https://blog.motorola.com/2018/08/15/baked-android-pie-coming-motorola/
One of the few reasons i buy a Motorola was quick android updates. Motorola actually promised Android Oreo and Android P when it comes out for this phone. 1 year later still there is no specific date for Oreo update. While i unlocked the phone long ago and updated it to 8.1 via custom ROMS i still paid for software support which was included in the phones cost. . If possible we can start a petition on change.org ( Which will be useless as motorola anyway treats their customers as trash) Share your thoughts

Firstly, Motorola is out of its minds. They should first give an update to Oreo and then speak of Pie. Nokia and many other devices that launched long after last year's Moto G series are already running Oreo from months. Lenovo took Motorola from Google and turned it into ****.
Secondly, Motorola said that their devices would get only one major Android update, so I'm fine with it. But what's troubling is the amount of time they're taking for it. Having said this, finally I'd like to add that though Moto devices have suffered on the software side in Lenovo's hands, I didn't find any shortcomings even on nougat and didn't really feel like needing an update. My phone gets all the things done. The only thing that I miss is a 64 bit architecture that'd allow me to gain access to portrait mode on Google camera and make the device future proof, as Google will remove all the 32 bit apps from the play store soon. The only reason I still prefer to buy the Moto devices is the XDA community. But if Moto continues releasing 32 bit os on a 64 bit chipset, then I may as well go for Mi devices because they get excellent XDA support too.

Short Answer: No
Long Answer:
I only ever bought a Moto phone because it was cheap. While I usually don't care for the latest and the greatest in neither software or hardware (still rockin a IPod Touch 4th gen) How Moto is treating it's customers is awful.
I know all about planned obsolescence, but this seems like a new level. Purposely delaying a promised software patch for your flagship until after your new flagship comes out (that conveniently ships with the promised software from the last one, mind you) Then maybe focusing on bringing that software to the old phone. Waiting just long enough to make sure everyone buys the new one.
If you don't believe me, this will probably happen again with the G6/Plus/Z/Z Play. The Android P update will get delayed and delayed until, eventually, a new Android is released. And, surprise, along with it, a new flagship that you will inevitably force people to buy while promising the new software.
It's a circle, people.

Motorola might be a good company before lenovo bought it .. But now OMG ..now i think why in the f****ing hell i chose Lenovo's Motorola ...FFS ...Everything about it's Software side is so **** !!\
So i don't think it's even worth it .. they won't change!!

I have owned and used the Moto G2, G3, G4, and now the G5+. The same complaints have been posted in these forums with every device. Personally, I don't care about upgrades to new versions of Android. As long as my phone performs well, which it does and is reliable, which it is I am content. My G5+ does everything well that I want it to do and then some. So I have no complaints.
As far as what I buy in the future, I will make that decision when the time comes. And yes, I will consider Motorola's latest offerings.

Motorola told us last year the Moto G line will get 1 major OS update.
And Oreo is being tested so just be patient or flash a custom rom.

They never promised Android P for the phone, only Android Oreo

For those saying Lenovo kileed motorola, Google was going to kill Motorola and Lenovo saved it, so stop blaming them, Motorola was a dead company

I wanted a device that was reasonably priced, close to stock, good developer community. I think I got that. So potter's not getting Pie? It wasn't promised, so there's no issue of 'trust' there. Oreo? Well OK that's late as anything. I did know at the time I bought it that Motorola was now slow to update. I bought mine around September last year, and was surprised when it auto-updated to I think the August patch. Since then, software updates have been patchy (pun intended).
Another consideration is in NZ, there's only a handful of open network phones available. Motorola, Oppo, Huawei, and you might find a few others if you're willing to go to parallel import shops etc. So with that in mind, it kinda makes the choice obvious for me. Nokia? In NZ they're network-specific, and on a network that I don't use. So yeah, I'll stick with Motorola. G6 Plus is available for us, which is a good thing. Although, I'll hang onto this for a couple of years, so I'd likely skip the Gen 6 motos.

What do you think of Android TV-Box Formuler?

Hello everybody,
I wanted to know what you think of the Android TV boxes of the brand Formuler if you have already tried them. (Formuler Z7, Z8 etc...)
Don't you find that they are way too expensive ? Do you think it is possible to do the same with other boxes much cheaper? How do you explain that they are considered by many people to be the best?
It amazes me that so many websites recommend these TV boxes ........

No one ?

Two plus years late but i searched XDA for Formuler since i bought one. I was looking for custom firmware or similar. To be fair, the box is speedy has had several updates and security patches from google and mine is running Android 10 which is not bad.
The interface is Android but not a full distro. More like Android Tv. It comes with Miracast, it's own market store and play store as well. Honestly.... i would recommend it.