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2A vs. 1A charger

In the meantime I got inspired by some threads in which people claimed that 2A (amp) charger will make it faster to charge up my note then original 1A charger. I bought original Samsung 2A charger for Samsung galaxy tab and tried that out and I must say that during the first week or two the charging time decreased from around 2.5 - 3 hours into something around 1h 40-50 min.
Later on everything returned to standard 3 hours though, charging with 2A charger is almost identical to 1A charger so from my experience there is no added value with this approach (unless ICS will make a change, or some custom rom).
For anyone interested I enclosed picture where in the top row you may see charging with 1A charger after 1h50min, 2h40min (both just random pics), then when this app (https://market.android.com/details?id=net.whph.android.battery) said it is 100% and the last picture is when galaxy note (Android) system said it is 100% (green battery icon). In the bottom row there is the same scenario with 2A charger. I am on the stock rom 2.6.35.7-N7000XXKKA.

Im not sure but I think you need a kernel that allows more than 1A charging for the 2A charger to work.

EarlZ said:
Im not sure but I think you need a kernel that allows more than 1A charging for the 2A charger to work.
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I guess so, what makes me slightly uncertain is that initially, charging time was around 2 hours ...

This is an interesting thread. I'd like to get more information about 2A chargers and whether they really make a difference.
Also I heard that when plugged to a TV (using the MHL cable) the phone may actually consume the battery more, even when plugged to the charger simultaneously. therefore if 2A chargers charge faster, it may also solve this problem.

Qvp said:
This is an interesting thread. I'd like to get more information about 2A chargers and whether they really make a difference.
Also I heard that when plugged to a TV (using the MHL cable) the phone may actually consume the battery more, even when plugged to the charger simultaneously. therefore if 2A chargers charge faster, it may also solve this problem.
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I actually have both, micro USB to USB and micro USB to MHL cables. Wasn't able to test them for a longer time as they sometimes work and sometimes don't, especially mhl cable shows videos for like 30 seconds and then there is a lost signal message on my TV, then it wakes up, then it is gone again ... I could fiddle wit it, but will rather wait for ICS upgrade and then will return to it again.
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Iphone charger
I am using the iPhone charger. It is a 2A and so far I see an improvement in the battery life. With the original charger (and BB one) the battery reading was 2100mAh . Now is 2600mAh. I don't know why or how.
Also I see a sightly improvement in how the battery lasts for normal use. I get around 18hours

antonioeram said:
I am using the iPhone charger. It is a 2A and so far I see an improvement in the battery life. With the original charger (and BB one) the battery reading was 2100mAh . Now is 2600mAh. I don't know why or how.
Also I see a sightly improvement in how the battery lasts for normal use. I get around 18hours
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the iPhone charger is 1a... Only the ipad charger is 2a
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What we need is someone with 2 notes with dead batteries and plug the original charger 1a on one and a 2a charger on the other and see which one gets fully charged first! Maybe its me but I can definitely see a difference between the original and the one I'm using (playbook charger 1.8a)
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

big samm said:
What we need is someone with 2 notes with dead batteries and plug the original charger 1a on one and a 2a charger on the other and see which one gets fully charged first! Maybe its me but I can definitely see a difference between the original and the one I'm using (playbook charger 1.8a)
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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I did it, and while not with 2 notes side by side, you can have a look at the pictures at the 1st post, the time and charging rate shows its pretty same on the stock rom whether you use 1A or 2A charger. (Although it was very different first one or two weeks, after that battery get used to 2A charger and charging is as slow as with 1A ...)

antonioeram said:
I am using the iPhone charger. It is a 2A and so far I see an improvement in the battery life. With the original charger (and BB one) the battery reading was 2100mAh . Now is 2600mAh. I don't know why or how.
Also I see a sightly improvement in how the battery lasts for normal use. I get around 18hours
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How did you measure the current in mAh or what app did you use? Thanks.

My bad. I am using the iPad chargers. not iPhone . Those are 2A. To verify I am using battery pro monitor.
Here is a screenshot.
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SGN stock batt with ipad charger?
Hi, I see some of you are using 2A/ipad charger to charge you SGN. My question is, will there be any side effects on that could harm the stock batt in short or long run?
FYI, atm, I have an ipad charger for home and car and i intend to just use the same charger to charge all devices including my SGN. Im not looking for a fast charging option, but just a hassle free and conveniences.
I appreciate if you could give suggestion on a dual port charger (for home and car) where I can charge my devices simultaneously at one time.

No harm as long as the volatage output from your charger is 5v. This is what pushes the current to ur device. Higher it goes more it pushes.
However the current that the charger provides decides how fast it can charge. This will also depend on the device. If the device is manufactured to charge at 1 amp and u use a 2 amp charger then it will only use 1amp. If however u use a 750mah charger it can only use 750mah and charge slowly.
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Faster Wall Charger (Updated with results)

Hello Everyone,
I wanted a faster and better charger for my Nexus 5. After doing some research I came up with the following possibilities:
From Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Tech-Armor-Charger-Watts-Black/dp/B00CD0HGDE
http://www.amazon.com/iXCC-Charger-Charging-Samsung-Package/dp/B00FCISG6K
http://www.amazon.com/EZOPower-Charger-Adapter-Smartphone-Cellphone/dp/B00EDU5X6Y
All these chargers have 2 USB ports, which they are great if you need to charge two devices at once. They will charge 2.1A from one port and 1A from the other. My problem with all these is that they are bulky and two of them have ports that come out of the back. It can be difficult to use if you want to plug your charger lets say behind your bed or similar tight places. That is one of the reasons why I don't like the stock Nexus 5 charger as the USB cable comes out of the back and its only 1.2A
From eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-BlackBe...o-USB-Compatible-Phones-Tablets-/200976069483
This charger is exactly what I'm looking for because its small, the cable comes out of the side, and the output is 1.8A which is greater than the stock Nexus 5 charger. Plus at $3.99 & free shipping for a new charger is not a bad deal. Since this is an OEM Blackberry product the quality is excellent. Cable is around 7ft long.
Bought me two of them, one for the office and one for home.
Will post my results as soon as I receive the charger. Will test how much current the Nexus 5 can pull.
Update with results:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47468074&postcount=22
Update 2nd test:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47501470&postcount=24
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Won't phones and batteries only pull the number of amps they are designed to pull? I didn't think it mattered how many amps a charger could proveide as long as it has enough?

Evo_Shift said:
Won't phones and batteries only pull the number of amps they are designed to pull? I didn't think it mattered how many amps a charger could proveide as long as it has enough?
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I had tablets chargers that I would use on my Nexus 4 and the phone would charge a lot faster than the stock charger that came with it. I'll do some testing and will report my conclusion once I receive it.

The Galaxy S4 charger works great and really fast.

Meh, the stock charger is 1.2A so that's what I figure the fastest it will charge.
I had an SGS3 and using my dad's Note 2's 2A charger, I was still only drawing out 1A, which is what the SGS3's charger came with.

The Nexus 5 comes with a 1.2 amp charger. I HIGHLY doubt it's actually capable of charging any faster than that (it'd be a lot of heat for such a small device).

Charging amperage is specified by the device not the charger. Value on a charger is the maximum amperage it is able to produce. This means that Nexus 4 or 5 will not get more than 1.2A even from a 2A charger.

If the phone is designed to charge at 1.2A, it will charge at 1.2A max. HOWEVER, not all chargers are 100% efficient. That means your phone may not charge at a constant 1.2A through the stock charger if it is not 100% efficient. That is why you notice faster charging speeds using a 2A charger.
If you don't believe me, get an app like battery monitor widget and look at the power input when you are charging.
This is what I use: http://www.amazon.com/Anker®-Dual-Port-Charger-Samsung-Motorola/dp/B00B8L36A6
Anker is a very good brand

cgg123321 said:
If the phone is designed to charge at 1.2A, it will charge at 1.2A max. HOWEVER, not all chargers are 100% efficient. That means your phone may not charge at a constant 1.2A through the stock charger if it is not 100% efficient. That is why you notice faster charging speeds using a 2A charger.
If you don't believe me, get an app like battery monitor widget and look at the power input when you are charging.
This is what I use: http://www.amazon.com/Anker®-Dual-Port-Charger-Samsung-Motorola/dp/B00B8L36A6
Anker is a very good brand
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My Nexus 5 charges quickly with the charger that it came with. It is 1.2A. I purchased a new car charger that is also 1.2A now. It seems to work well.

mobileboost said:
My Nexus 5 charges quickly with the charger that it came with. It is 1.2A. I purchased a new car charger that is also 1.2A now. It seems to work well.
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I actually just got my nexus 5 today so I can't comment on the included charger. I was talking about my old galaxy note and htc desire. There was a site that reviewed the efficiency of chargers but I forgot the name of the site.

I use my Nexus 7 charger (2A) and it charges way faster than the stock. They are only $15 on amazon too.

My HP chrome book has a charger rated at 3 amps. Charges the phone crazy fast. I remember seeing these threads and how people said it doesn't matter what the output is blah blah blah. It works. I just wonder what effect it has on the battery? I think its supposed to last longer if you charge it slowly correct?

I use nexus 7 charger. Takes around 15 min to fully charge at 70 percent
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Everyone is saying "its faster" but nobody has bothered to mention what faster is.
From 15%, I saw 100% charge in just 2 hours with Qi so I think these phones charge fast in general since Qi is only 1 am output.
If we could stick to real #s going forward then this thread would have some value.
First establishing some baselines with stock charger is essential. Also remember only some fuel gauges support actual current measuring and many apps attempt to calculate current by looking at voltage over time.
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kepapas said:
I use nexus 7 charger. Takes around 15 min to fully charge at 70 percent
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Thanks...since I left my N5 charger in a hotel (!) I was having trouble finding a replacement 1.2a charger. So gave up that hunt and just got the Nexus 7 charger on Amazon.

sluflyer06 said:
Everyone is saying "its faster" but nobody has bothered to mention what faster is.
From 15%, I saw 100% charge in just 2 hours with Qi so I think these phones charge fast in general since Qi is only 1 am output.
If we could stick to real #s going forward then this thread would have some value.
First establishing some baselines with stock charger is essential. Also remember only some fuel gauges support actual current measuring and many apps attempt to calculate current by looking at voltage over time.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app
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We don't need no stinkin' science in here!
A lot of people just assume their phone is charging faster because they're using a faster charger. Placebo at work.
Folks, if you want to properly determine whether a charger over 1.2 amps is worthwhile you need to do a proper test and remove all the variables:
1. Put the phone in airplane mode and shut down all apps and services. Best if you do this from a clean factory reset so the tests are on equal footing. Any apps using the phone will draw on the battery and influence the test negatively for that charger.
2. Up to 15 minute charging variances are normal. It's a chemical reaction inside of the battery, it's not going to be that consistent.
3. Make sure to charge from the exact same percentage level.
4. REPEAT THE TEST at least 3 times. If the test shows dramatic outliers, perform extra tests and make sure the test is consistent.
Does that sound like a lot of work? Yeah, but it's the only way you can actually make an assertion that one phone charger is faster than another.

Vincent Law said:
We don't need no stinkin' science in here!
A lot of people just assume their phone is charging faster because they're using a faster charger. Placebo at work.
Folks, if you want to properly determine whether a charger over 1.2 amps is worthwhile you need to do a proper test and remove all the variables:
1. Put the phone in airplane mode and shut down all apps and services. Best if you do this from a clean factory reset so the tests are on equal footing. Any apps using the phone will draw on the battery and influence the test negatively for that charger.
2. Up to 15 minute charging variances are normal. It's a chemical reaction inside of the battery, it's not going to be that consistent.
3. Make sure to charge from the exact same percentage level.
4. REPEAT THE TEST at least 3 times. If the test shows dramatic outliers, perform extra tests and make sure the test is consistent.
Does that sound like a lot of work? Yeah, but it's the only way you can actually make an assertion that one phone charger is faster than another.
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No. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I charge my phone all the time. And the second I used this charger and consistently from then on the phones charges about 1/3 faster. I really don't care what is "supposed" to happen. It just works. I get my charger back on Friday and I will prove it. The battery usage shows a giant spike. Upwards compared to the more gradual spike with the stock charger. My Google edition HTC one used to barely charge while playing games with the stock charger and now it charges as fast as stock when I wasn't even using it.

rican408 said:
No. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I charge my phone all the time. And the second I used this charger and consistently from then on the phones charges about 1/3 faster. I really don't care what is "supposed" to happen. It just works. I get my charger back on Friday and I will prove it. The battery usage shows a giant spike. Upwards compared to the more gradual spike with the stock charger. My Google edition HTC one used to barely charge while playing games with the stock charger and now it charges as fast as stock when I wasn't even using it.
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The HTC One's stock charger was only 1 amp, not 1.2 amps. It was clearly capable of charging faster, this phone not so much.

Vincent Law said:
The HTC One's stock charger was only 1 amp, not 1.2 amps. It was clearly capable of charging faster, this phone not so much.
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I was actually using the 1.2a charger from my nexus 4 as the "stock" charger. For the same reason, I know more is better.

lg g2 charger works really well for me

Charger observations: Nexus 5 vs. Galaxy S4

I have been on the hunt for good charging solutions for my Nexus 5 (and other devices). During this process I have made some observations that many of you probably already know but I wanted to post them here for others and hopefully gather more information as well.
It started off with me looking for dual port chargers that could fast charge my devices. Much to my dismay, I found that all the dual chargers I found had one Apple port and one non-Apple port which meant decreased charging rates for devices that weren't meant for its port. With that I decided to do a little non-scientific study. This was not meant for getting exact performance numbers, just to get an idea of what kind of performance I could get with different phone/cable/charger combinations.
Phones used:
Nexus 5 running 4.4.4
Samsung Galaxy S4 (SGH-I337) running 4.4.2
Method of measuring charge amperage:
Current Widget. Set to update every (1) second and I put 2 instances of each type of widget on the screen (total of 4 widgets): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manor.currentwidget
Although I did the measurements with the phones connected to WiFi and not in airplane mode, the differences with the phones in airplane mode were insignificant for the purposes of this observation. The bigger factor was the difference between screen on and screen off (the rates you see immediately after turning the screen back on). I only used screen on rates. The readings I used below were when the phones batteries were below 90%.
Chargers that I have tried so far:
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From left to right, starting at the top left: Nexus 7 (2012) stock charger, Galaxy S4 stock charger, Nexus 5 stock charger, PowerGen dual port charger, GT Max 2 port car charger, LectronicSmart by Conair 2 port car charger.
Charger ratings:
Nexus 7: 2A
Galaxy S4: 2A
Nexus 5: 1.2A
PowerGen: 2.4 total divided between an Apple port and a Non-Apple port (NA)
GTMax: 2.1A and 1A
LectronicSmart: 2.1A each
Cords I used: Motorola SKN6378A, stock Nexus 5 cable, stock Galaxy S4 cable. All these cables had the same performance.
Nexus 5 results:
N5, N7 and PowerGen (NA port) all peaked in the 900mA range but the readings were constantly fluctuating between the peak and the 600mA range except for the PowerGen NA port had lows in the 300's. The PowerGen Apple port could barely peak in the 300's with lows in the single digits. The Samsung S4 charger had peaks in the 1500mA range and lows in the 1400 range.
Both car chargers were miserable, with peaks in the 300's and lows in the single digits.
Samsung Galaxy S4 results:
The Samsung values didn't fluctuate like the Nexus did. In spite of it being set to update every second, it just showed a constant charge value. I'm not smart enough to divine what might be the cause but I am assuming it may be due to the widget compatibility or how the S4 reports charging amperage, I cant imagine that it doesn't fluctuate.
On all chargers it showed 1200mA charging rate, even on the Apple port of the PowerGen charger. It is interesting that the N5 pulls a better charging rate off of the Samsung charger than its own phone does.
I also decided to try out some 3rd party cables to see how they might perform. On the S4 power adapter with a generic eBay/Amazon cable the N5 pulled around 400mA and the S4 pulled 600mA. With a generic cable from Fry's the N5 pulled into the 900's while the S4 pulled 1200mA.
I have a couple more chargers on order and will update this along with links if anyone is interested.
I am still on the hunt for a good dual port charger (both car and wall) that can fast charge a Nexus 5 and another Android device (Nexus 7, Galaxy S4, etc) so if anyone has any good leads, it would be appreciated.
Here is a screenshot of the N5 with the 4 widgets to illustrate the wide fluctuations:

Ok, It turns out that not all cables that report "Charging (AC)" are created equal, more on that below.
I got more chargers in the mail:
From left to right: Anker dual port car charger with PowerIQ, CHOETECH, Pwr+ single charger, Pwr+ dual charger.
The Anker dual port car charger with PowerIQ is great. I can get 1A+ on either port on the Nexus 5.
Both the Pwr+ chargers gave 1A+ charging. They have fixed cables. The power supply for the dual charger is a bit big but its still better than carrying two single chargers.
The CHOETECH also worked great, giving 1A+ charging with the included cable. Here is where the interesting part with the different USB cables come in. The included cable showed Charging (AC), as expected. However, when I plugged the stock Samsung or the Motorola SKN6378A from A4C they only reported USB which is odd because they report Charging (AC) on other chargers. They could also only pull around 400mA from the CHOETECH. The CHOETECH's included cable showed Charging (AC) and pulled 1A+ on the other chargers. It was even able to pull 1A+ on both ports of the PowerGen charger when the other "good" cables could only pull good amps off of the NA side.
So it seems that it can be important to be able to pair the right USB cable with the right charger.
Here are the Amazon links to the chargers listed above:
Anker car charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D82O68Y/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
CHOETECH: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IG05402/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Pwr+ single charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009STIJWA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Pwr+ dual charger: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JKSMXLC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Reserved again.. cuz the first one was so much fun!

phoenyx said:
N5, N7 and PowerGen (NA port) all peaked in the 900mA range but the readings were constantly fluctuating between the peak and the 600mA range except for the PowerGen NA port had lows in the 300's. The PowerGen Apple port could barely peak in the 300's with lows in the single digits. The Samsung S4 charger had peaks in the 1500mA range and lows in the 1400 range.
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That's very odd. I have a 2012 N7 charger and I am able to get an average of 1.6A with my Nexus 5. I do my measurements differently (I take the charge time between two known percentages and use that to calculate the average current) but it shouldn't cause that significant a difference. The issue with the current meter widgets is that they're measuring the total current flowing into the battery. That means that anything that is using power on the device (screen, CPU, etc...) causes a fluctuation in the current reading. The charger itself is providing a fairly flat current, your phone's usage is changing rapidly over time.
The reason you see low charging rates on the car chargers/apple chargers with the Nexus 5 is probably due to the charging method being used. Apple chargers put a voltage across the data pins to tell the phone the charging rate of the adapter. Android chargers short the two data pins to tell the device that it's a charger and not a USB port. When you plug the Nexus 5 into a charger designed for an Apple device, the Nexus 5 thinks it is a computer and won't pull more than 500mA off of the charger. If you check the battery menu during that time you will likely see that it says "Charging (USB)" instead of "Charging (AC)." Some of the cables I have cause this issue as well. Monoprice's Premium USB cables are super cheap, guaranteed for life and charge every phone I have tested properly assuming the charger itself isn't an issue.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=9762&seq=1&format=2
As far as a charger recommendation, I love Anker products. Their "PowerIQ" chargers will charge any device at its maximum rate.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker®-Dual-P...MK/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1405347957&sr=8-14
Two Nexus 5s will charge at 1.6A each on this charger. The only issue is that they don't have a good wall charger with PowerIQ. The only option is this "desktop" charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Sized-...ETFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405348099&sr=8-1
I followed up with them and they said that more PowerIQ chargers were coming over the summer, but I haven't seen anything yet.
You can also use a "charge only" cable to get the maximum from any charger.
http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Micr...TYUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405348221&sr=8-1
That should allow you to get a better charge out of the "Apple" port on the "A/NA" charger you have.

raptir said:
That's very odd. I have a 2012 N7 charger and I am able to get an average of 1.6A with my Nexus 5. I do my measurements differently (I take the charge time between two known percentages and use that to calculate the average current) but it shouldn't cause that significant a difference.
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Thanks for the reply. Admittedly, it wasn't a very scientific approach and I could have been more accurate but my goal was to just show that two Android phones using the same chargers and cables were getting different vastly different results. Especially that the Galaxy S4 could get 1200mA on the Apple port while the Nexus 5 couldn't even get half that.. and they are using the same charger, same cable and both widgets are showing AC charging (FWIW I tested all the cables on each charger, each showed AC and all had the same results across setups).
raptir said:
The issue with the current meter widgets is that they're measuring the total current flowing into the battery. That means that anything that is using power on the device (screen, CPU, etc...) causes a fluctuation in the current reading. The charger itself is providing a fairly flat current, your phone's usage is changing rapidly over time.
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Yes, I am aware of that and I guess I should have explained it better. I had two points about this. The first was that the Galaxy S4 didn't fluctuate while the N5 did, but I suspect that has to do with the way the app is interacting with the phone.
The second was that on the Nexus 5 with 4 instances of the widget from the same app, all set to update 1 second apart were showing 4 very different amperage readings when they were supposed to be getting the sample at the same time. I just found it curious is all.
raptir said:
The reason you see low charging rates on the car chargers/apple chargers with the Nexus 5 is probably due to the charging method being used. Apple chargers put a voltage across the data pins to tell the phone the charging rate of the adapter. Android chargers short the two data pins to tell the device that it's a charger and not a USB port. When you plug the Nexus 5 into a charger designed for an Apple device, the Nexus 5 thinks it is a computer and won't pull more than 500mA off of the charger. If you check the battery menu during that time you will likely see that it says "Charging (USB)" instead of "Charging (AC)." Some of the cables I have cause this issue as well. Monoprice's Premium USB cables are super cheap, guaranteed for life and charge every phone I have tested properly assuming the charger itself isn't an issue.
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That it what I understood as well. Which is why I am mystified why one Android phone (S4) can pull 1200mA off an Apple port but a different Android phone (N5) can't, using the exact same cable and showing AC Charging on the widget. I would be interested to hear if you have any ideas on why that would be.
raptir said:
As far as a charger recommendation, I love Anker products. Their "PowerIQ" chargers will charge any device at its maximum rate.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker®-Dual-P...MK/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1405347957&sr=8-14
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I ordered that when I was having issues with the Nexus 5 on my current car charger, it should be here any day now. It was one of the ones I mentioned in the original post that is on order. Their description of PowerIQ made me hopeful, but then I read a product description of one of their other products with PowerIQ on their website and it talked about Apple and non-Apple ports so now I'm just hoping that it will work the way I originally thought/hoped it would.
It was the car charger that alerted me to the possibility of a difference in charging performance between the Galaxy S4 and N5. I noticed that when I drove around with navigation on the Galaxy S4 could charge up decently while the Nexus 5 wouldn't charge much if at all using the same cable and charger.
raptir said:
Two Nexus 5s will charge at 1.6A each on this charger. The only issue is that they don't have a good wall charger with PowerIQ. The only option is this "desktop" charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Sized-...ETFG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405348099&sr=8-1
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I almost ordered that last week until I ready that other product description. I decided to wait to see how the car charger above works.
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I followed up with them and they said that more PowerIQ chargers were coming over the summer, but I haven't seen anything yet.
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That is great news! If this PowerIQ works like I hope it works, I'll be happy. Thanks for that info!
raptir said:
You can also use a "charge only" cable to get the maximum from any charger.
http://www.amazon.com/PortaPow-Micr...TYUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405348221&sr=8-1
That should allow you to get a better charge out of the "Apple" port on the "A/NA" charger you have.
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That is also one of the cables I mentioned in the OP that are on order. Unfortunately since my other cables here are showing AC Charging, I am assuming they have the data pins shorted and so I'm not expecting anything from this. This still doesn't really answer the question of why the Samsung can pull a better charge out of an Apple port than the Nexus 5. Any ideas? Same cables and all.
Thanks again.

phoenyx said:
Thanks for the reply. Admittedly, it wasn't a very scientific approach and I could have been more accurate but my goal was to just show that two Android phones using the same chargers and cables were getting different vastly different results. Especially that the Galaxy S4 could get 1200mA on the Apple port while the Nexus 5 couldn't even get half that.. and they are using the same charger, same cable and both widgets are showing AC charging (FWIW I tested all the cables on each charger, each showed AC and all had the same results across setups).
That it what I understood as well. Which is why I am mystified why one Android phone (S4) can pull 1200mA off an Apple port but a different Android phone (N5) can't, using the exact same cable and showing AC Charging on the widget. I would be interested to hear if you have any ideas on why that would be.
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Well, what I posted mainly applies to the Nexus phones. I think Samsung has put some more intelligent circuitry in the Galaxy S4/S5 that allow it to charge on Apple ports as well. It's not a hard and fast rule, it's just the "standard." The S4 is hard-capped at 1200mA though, so the Nexus 5 will charge faster on an appropriate charger.
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Yes, I am aware of that and I guess I should have explained it better. I had two points about this. The first was that the Galaxy S4 didn't fluctuate while the N5 did, but I suspect that has to do with the way the app is interacting with the phone.
The second was that on the Nexus 5 with 4 instances of the widget from the same app, all set to update 1 second apart were showing 4 very different amperage readings when they were supposed to be getting the sample at the same time. I just found it curious is all.
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Interesting. My guess would be that even though they're supposed to poll at the same time, they're really pulling the data in quick succession. As in they end up in the service's queue and receive the data at slightly different timepoints as a result.
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I ordered that when I was having issues with the Nexus 5 on my current car charger, it should be here any day now. It was one of the ones I mentioned in the original post that is on order. Their description of PowerIQ made me hopeful, but then I read a product description of one of their other products with PowerIQ on their website and it talked about Apple and non-Apple ports so now I'm just hoping that it will work the way I originally thought/hoped it would.
It was the car charger that alerted me to the possibility of a difference in charging performance between the Galaxy S4 and N5. I noticed that when I drove around with navigation on the Galaxy S4 could charge up decently while the Nexus 5 wouldn't charge much if at all using the same cable and charger.
I almost ordered that last week until I ready that other product description. I decided to wait to see how the car charger above works.
That is great news! If this PowerIQ works like I hope it works, I'll be happy. Thanks for that info!
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Well, I don't have a Galaxy device but I do know that the PowerIQ chargers work great for the Nexus 5. I get the full 1.6A current that the Nexus 5 can accept. It charges it from dead in under an hour and a half. It's great for recharging on my way home from work.
I did see on their website that they have a two-port wall charger on their PowerIQ page, but when you click through to Amazon it shows as the old A/NA charger.
http://www.ianker.com/poweriq/poweriq.html
Hopefully they actually update it soon.
phoenyx said:
That is also one of the cables I mentioned in the OP that are on order. Unfortunately since my other cables here are showing AC Charging, I am assuming they have the data pins shorted and so I'm not expecting anything from this. This still doesn't really answer the question of why the Samsung can pull a better charge out of an Apple port than the Nexus 5. Any ideas? Same cables and all.
Thanks again.
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As far as Samsung vs Nexus, see above. I've personally never experienced a slow charge out of a charger that showed "Charging (AC)." Very odd. If you're getting the Anker chargers, I would pair them with the Monoprice Premium cables.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=9762&seq=1&format=2
I can attest that the Anker charger or my Nexus 7 2012 charger plus a Monoprice cable will charge all the devices I've tried at full speed (Nexus 7 2012, Nexus 5, Nexus 4, Kindle Fire HDX, and my friend's Razr M). Their "non-premium" cables work well also, but I find that they wear out. They do replace them for free though.

raptir said:
Well, what I posted mainly applies to the Nexus phones. I think Samsung has put some more intelligent circuitry in the Galaxy S4/S5 that allow it to charge on Apple ports as well. It's not a hard and fast rule, it's just the "standard." The S4 is hard-capped at 1200mA though, so the Nexus 5 will charge faster on an appropriate charger.
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I see. I was assuming it was the standard that all Android phones used to determine charge rates... lol. Silly me. What you say makes sense and is what I was afraid of. I was hoping I was "doing it wrong" or there was some other trick to getting more charge out of the PowerGen wall chargers that I have. I will give it another shot with the cables I have on order when they come in. I will see how it goes and maybe I'll order that Monoprice to try out as well.
raptir said:
Interesting. My guess would be that even though they're supposed to poll at the same time, they're really pulling the data in quick succession. As in they end up in the service's queue and receive the data at slightly different timepoints as a result.
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That's kind of what I was thinking too but then again, the widgets are only reporting information the main app is seeing. You would think that when the app takes a sample at a given time, it is that info that is transmitted to all the app instances so the info should be the same. Apparently not. It's not a big deal, I just notice and am curious about strange things sometimes.
raptir said:
Well, I don't have a Galaxy device but I do know that the PowerIQ chargers work great for the Nexus 5. I get the full 1.6A current that the Nexus 5 can accept. It charges it from dead in under an hour and a half. It's great for recharging on my way home from work.
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That is great news! I'm looking forward to getting mine in the mail soon. I'll post what I find with that charger along with the other ones I have coming.
raptir said:
I did see on their website that they have a two-port wall charger on their PowerIQ page, but when you click through to Amazon it shows as the old A/NA charger.
http://www.ianker.com/poweriq/poweriq.html
Hopefully they actually update it soon.
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Me too. I'll be keeping an eye out for that. Which PowerIQ chargers do you have? Just the car charger or do you have this 2 port wall charger too?
raptir said:
As far as Samsung vs Nexus, see above. I've personally never experienced a slow charge out of a charger that showed "Charging (AC)." Very odd. If you're getting the Anker chargers, I would pair them with the Monoprice Premium cables.
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I think the Nexus 5 only really got a slow charge with Charging (AC) showing out of the Apple port on the PowerGen and car chargers. When the same cable is plugged into the non-Apple, it works fine. Kind of disappointed that I cant get the same performance on the Apple port like the Galaxy does. I bought a bunch of these when I was using the Galaxy. Makes me apprehensive about buying more chargers that may not work that well.
I'll play around a bit more with the new cables and see what I can find. Thanks again for the info and the recommendations.

phoenyx said:
Me too. I'll be keeping an eye out for that. Which PowerIQ chargers do you have? Just the car charger or do you have this 2 port wall charger too?
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I have the two-port car charger and an external battery (second-gen Astro2). I really want a 2-port wall charger (to use with my Kindle Fire and Nexus 5 at home) but I haven't been able to find one.

raptir said:
I have the two-port car charger and an external battery (second-gen Astro2). I really want a 2-port wall charger (to use with my Kindle Fire and Nexus 5 at home) but I haven't been able to find one.
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Check out this cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JKSMXLC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I just got it in the mail and it works good with the N5. Rated at 4A.
I put the new chargers in the 2nd post above and also noted that cables that report Charging (AC) on some adapters will only report USB (and lower charging rates) on other adapters.

phoenyx said:
Check out this cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JKSMXLC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I just got it in the mail and it works good with the N5. Rated at 4A.
I put the new chargers in the 2nd post above and also noted that cables that report Charging (AC) on some adapters will only report USB (and lower charging rates) on other adapters.
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The only issue is a really want something with detachable cables. So I can change length/connect my wireless charger to it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52142798

fyi samsung galaxy phones aren't really compatible with current widgets.
use an external meter for accurate measurements

Akoolive said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52142798
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Yea I've seen that post.. It's a good one but like another poster here I'm after chargers with USB cables that are detachable and dual chargers. I created this mainly to cite some observations that all chargers may not perform equally on different phones.
Nevertheless, thank you for your reply and for posting the link.
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fyi samsung galaxy phones aren't really compatible with current widgets.
use an external meter for accurate measurements
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Thanks. I kinda figured it must be a compatibility issue. However, an external would only show how much the charger could put out, which is not the same as how much the phone will take.. Unless you measure it inline. Other than that you'd have to take a sample over time and do the math.
I got the Anker dual car charger and it has been great. So I orders ordered a couple more. the PowerIQ seems to be the key for their chargers.
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phoenyx said:
Thanks. I kinda figured it must be a compatibility issue. However, an external would only show how much the charger could put out, which is not the same as how much the phone will take.. Unless you measure it inline. Other than that you'd have to take a sample over time and do the math.
I got the Anker dual car charger and it has been great. So I orders ordered a couple more. the PowerIQ seems to be the key for their chargers.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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I don't want to sound condescending but that's exactly how it would work. A good charger can only output up to the max designed. It's completely dependent on what the phone wants.
To measure amps the meter is in serial circuit and to measure voltage it's in parallel. The prebuilt usb meters are only a few bucks on ebay. I use a multimeter to check that the usb meter is correct.
And most phones will attempt to do their max charge rate when below 80-90% battery. (if temperatures allow). So you don't need a fancy graph. Just plug in the phone with low battery and not overheating and it'll try to charge at the max rate it can.

sucsss said:
I don't want to sound condescending but that's exactly how it would work. A good charger can only output up to the max designed. It's completely dependent on what the phone wants.
To measure amps the meter is in serial circuit and to measure voltage it's in parallel. The prebuilt usb meters are only a few bucks on ebay. I use a multimeter to check that the usb meter is correct.
And most phones will attempt to do their max charge rate when below 80-90% battery. (if temperatures allow). So you don't need a fancy graph. Just plug in the phone with low battery and not overheating and it'll try to charge at the max rate it can.
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LOL.. You sound more confused about what I've said than condescending. I've never implied a charger will charge more than its rated for. If I did, please show me where I said that so i can correct it because that was not my intention.
I know it was probably a little bit of a confusing post since i kind of mashed several thoughts together (and this one is probably no better... I've been up way too long and sorely jet lagged.. LOL) but if you read the thread I stated that I observed different USB/phone combos will charge at varying rates... Even between "good" USB cables on the same charger.. even when they are showing AC charging. It was my impression that two "good" USB cables that report AC charging would perform similarly on the same charger or one would have similar performance across similar chargers. That is apparently not the case.
Also as I originally posted it's just observations... Not trying to geek out on it and be pedantic over it. However the USB meter you mentioned sounds interesting, maybe I'll pick one up. Thanks for the suggestion.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the Anker chargers so I think I'll stick with them.
Thanks for your input..
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Z5 fast charging

Hi.
I've came from a note 4 with fast charging to a z5p with supposed fast charging. The difference in battery capacity isn't too much. However, the z5 charges so much slower. I've tried multiple quick charge certified wall plugs and a quick charge 2.0 powerbank, the official wire and other wires as well as my old note charger plus wire.
Is this a fault in the firmware or a fault with the phone?
I get the results with the note what I expect. However with the z5 it feels like going back in time with a 'normal charger'

Mines been okay, I even have an Aukey fast charger and it's at the same pace.
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simbob86uk said:
Hi.
I've came from a note 4 with fast charging to a z5p with supposed fast charging. The difference in battery capacity isn't too much. However, the z5 charges so much slower. I've tried multiple quick charge certified wall plugs and a quick charge 2.0 powerbank, the official wire and other wires as well as my old note charger plus wire.
Is this a fault in the firmware or a fault with the phone?
I get the results with the note what I expect. However with the z5 it feels like going back in time with a 'normal charger'
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I've noticed that quick charging isn't as fast too...I have three quick chargers and all three have worked great for phones like the S6, Nexus 6 and even the Zenfone 2.....I'm going to run my phone down to less than 5% and then watch to see how long it takes to get to 100%. It could be due to the Z5 Premium having a very big battery (3450mah I believe)....My Nexus 6 seems to be the fastest to charge...I have seen it literally go from 10% to 65% in 20 minutes.

I'll try my luck this week and report back for you guys.
As an aside though, I've typically avoided using QC2.0 unless I'm super desperate. That kind of heat and power going to the battery just screams "device killer" to me. I've used it on a Nexus 6, HTC One M9, and a Z3 - same heat issues across the board. I think I'll be relying on my faithful Aukey's standard USB ports. (Aukey PA-T1 54W 5 Port USB charger, fwiw)

Please let us know. So far the assumed quick charge 2.0 is a let down. Be back off to Samsung if not sorted

simbob86uk said:
Please let us know. So far the assumed quick charge 2.0 is a let down. Be back off to Samsung if not sorted
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Not OP but been using the Z5P for the past few days... QC 2.0 is pretty fast, but not as fast as I expected it to be. As far as heat is concerned, I've had no issues from it overheating while charging.

fancymans said:
Not OP but been using the Z5P for the past few days... QC 2.0 is pretty fast, but not as fast as I expected it to be. As far as heat is concerned, I've had no issues from it overheating while charging.
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Sony is notoriously conservative when it comes to battery charging. For example the Z3 only used QC2.0 to allow more flexibility in charger cabling - battery current was limited to only 1.5A. With a normal charger you could only hit this if the screen was off with an extremely short cable, with QC2.0 you could hit it even with a thin (more flexible) MicroUSB cable with a right-angle connector that would cripple charging on most phones.

Probe not noticing the results as well with always being on the phone

I bought this one from aukey for €15,- and in dollars like $20

I purchased the aukey quick charge 2.0 charger. It operates fine with my old note 4. So I see this as Sony issue

The device is most definitely using QC2.0 for power input - my Powergen wall charger turns green when the Z5P is plugged in.
Edit: If I'm reading the kernel source correctly, charge current is 2.3A with no step charging. https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/ke...com/msm8994-kitakami_satsuki_common.dtsi#L986 - No way will you hit that without QC2.0 except MAYBE if the screen is off and your USB cable is 3 inches long.
Z5 non-premium is 2.1A with no step charging, Z5C is 2.1A below 65% and 1.5A above 65%

my z5p came with a 2.0 UCH-10 charger from sony http://blog.clove.co.uk/2015/06/12/sony-uch10-quick-charger-coming-soon/

Thanks for the input. Any idea about the drop after 65%?

simbob86uk said:
Thanks for the input. Any idea about the drop after 65%?
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That only applies to the Z5 Compact. Smaller battery makes it easier to stress it. In general, rapid-charging a battery is far more stressful above 60-65% charge than it is below this, which is why so many companies specified "time to 60%" specs - because nearly all of them drop the current past 65%. The Z5P seems to be an exception - it has a lower charge rate (compared to the battery size) below 65%, but maintains this charge rate up to the CC/CV transition point (usually 80-85%).
Rapid charging past the CC/CV transition point cannot be done safely.

how to get more speed charging?

hi guys,
i have two chargers,
1. output 9.0V 1.67A or 5.0V 2.0A
2. output 5.2V 2.4A
and a usb-c cable, in the cable box i find that this cable is supporting for fast charging and support to 2.4A but when i tried it with the two chargers, and test it using 'ampere' app i got max to 1010mA with both chargers adapter ! even with this value i feel it charging my mobile quickly, and in the bottom of the lock screen i see 'charging rapidly' but i want more and why the phone is not charged depending on the values in the chargers (1.67A - 2.0A - 2.4A) and cable (2.4A)

The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.

You realize slow charging is better for the long-term life of the battery, right?

sublimaze said:
You realize slow charging is better for the long-term life of the battery, right?
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Considering we often get new phones every 2-3 years, you won't see much of a degradation from rapid/fast charging.
Rather, you'll see a degradation from charging from <15% to 100% (which people do often). That will be a more significant reason someones battery will lose much off its lifespan.
I wish Android would have a built in limiter. I'm sure in the next few years, both iOS and Android will.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.
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hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The P2XL charger is 9V, 2A or 5V, 3A. Your amperage values are too low, which may explain why you're not charging as quickly as you should be. The solution: get a charger that equals or exceeds the stock charger ratings.
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After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.

Chouiyekh said:
hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help
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tbkrazeey said:
After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.
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There's nothing I can help you guys with. All I can tell you is what ratings your charger should have, based upon the information printed on the pair of chargers I received with my device when I purchased it directly from Google. If you have a genuine Google charger and the P2XL is still not charging fast, contact Google.

stuff said:
Considering we often get new phones every 2-3 years, you won't see much of a degradation from rapid/fast charging.
Rather, you'll see a degradation from charging from <15% to 100% (which people do often). That will be a more significant reason someones battery will lose much off its lifespan.
I wish Android would have a built in limiter. I'm sure in the next few years, both iOS and Android will.
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Unfortunately, i hope someone could help

Chouiyekh said:
hi friend,
i bought an original charger for my pixel 2 xl from ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570 and after testing it with ampere app i got the same value as my old charger, i got max 1010 mA, and i don't feel that there is a fast charging, it needs to the same time to charge my mobile as my old charger !
please help
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I thought that charging capped out at roughly 1000 mA when the screen is on to protect the battery from overheating/putting too much strain on it. Which could lead to degradation of the battery. That would explain why you only see 1010 mA on Ampere - because the screen is on. I don't think Ampere measures while the screen is off, so it is difficult to say what value it would be giving you.
That is my experience even using the stock charger that came with the phone.

pemz82 said:
I thought that charging capped out at roughly 1000 mA when the screen is on to protect the battery from overheating/putting too much strain on it. Which could lead to degradation of the battery. That would explain why you only see 1010 mA on Ampere - because the screen is on. I don't think Ampere measures while the screen is off, so it is difficult to say what value it would be giving you.
That is my experience even using the stock charger that came with the phone.
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maybe your opinion is right. my next experiment is from 0% to 100% with the old charger and with the stock charger, then i will see if there is a difference

tbkrazeey said:
After seeing this I checked accubattery and it also says mine normally charges between 700 - 1010 mah also. I didn't even think about fast charging, I don't have the original charger but I have other "fast chargers" that don't seem to be doing their job either.
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There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.

nlinecomputers said:
There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.
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That makes sense then, it seems like everything gets more complicated every year.

I just purchased one of these from Amazon. Note that it supports Power Delivery 3.0. This unit quick charges my phone. The Moto Charger I have for my old Moto G5+ which is a Qualcomm charger will charge the phone but only at slow speeds.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H6BQNGF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

nlinecomputers said:
There is one other thing that you must also have. The Pixel does NOT support Qualcomm Fast Charging. It uses Power Delivery, not Quickcharge Technology. So if you have a charger that is labeled QuickCharge or a Moto Turbo Charger you will NOT get fast charging from these units. It has to be a Power Delivery charger with a USB C port and the cable must be USB-IF certified. If you don't have all of that then you don't get a fast charge.
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i bought this : http://www.ebay.com/itm/113109823570
what do you think ?

If it is really the OEM parts that will work. The pictures look like mine, but ya know eBay....