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[Q] OTA update doesn't work

Hi everyone!
This is the situation:
I got my unlocked HTC Desire HD from an authorized store but when I started it (at home) I've noticed that is branded from T-mobile Germany.
Since I use a Vodafone SIM, I decided to unbranded it. So I installed this stock ROM: RUU_Ace_HTC_WWE_1.32.405.6_Radio_12.28b.60.140e_26 .03.02.26_M_release_155891_signed. I followed the steps described in a thread on this forum, using Visionary and One click S-OFF tool. Everything was just fine. My device works without any problem except one: can't find OTA updates.
WHAT COULD IT BE? IS THERE SOMETHING I COULD MAKE TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE?
Thank you in advance,
joaquin

As far as I know, once you have s-off and root and a custom Rom installed, the ota update will not work. If you want the update you will need to install a custom Rom running the new update.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

I understood that the stock ROM is not a customized ROM.
And I checked in bootloader and the first row looks like this:
ACE PVT SHIP S-ON
Doesn't this mean that my device has S-ON?
Is it possible that my device to be still rooted? If yes, is there a solution to make it unrooted?
Joquin

To be more specific, when i say can't find OTA updates, I mean I don't receive notification about updates and when I manually check it says "There are no updates available for your phone."

Do you know which CID you have on phone?
I had rooted, Eng S-Off and Radio S-Off (Super CID-11111111) on phone and phone found OTA update. Although I didn't tried to install it since in that way I'll be loosing root.

If I understand correctly youre still on 1.32 and you want to aquire root and S-OFF AND you want to update to 1.72?
If that is what you want, you will not be needing a prompt from your phone to update the system, because that way you will not be keeping root/S-OFF after the update.
Ensure you have BOTH Eng S-OFF and Radio S-OFF and you did temproot with visionary+. Check IVO's refference thread for that.
Its gotta work.
Then, for updating the phone correctly, take your time to read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885996
its not an easy guide for beginners (such as myself), but if you read the entire thread you will eventually get out. I did too.

I'm sorry, but I don't know where to find the CID number.
In the bootloader doesn't appear.
Joaquin

@maurei
I know if I will update to 1.72 is not possible to root at this moment and probably I will not make this update. But I want the OTA updates working not only for now.
Thank you anyaway
Joaquin

ah, hit quick reply instead of edit I guess.. soz for the dubble post, del this one

Thats what I'm saying my friend - you CAN have root AND 1.72
Its not possible to root fromin 1.72, but it IS possible to maintain root as you upgrade from 1.32 to 1.72 .
Reading my previous post made me realize it wasn't so clear.
maurei said:
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Then, for updating the phone correctly, take your time to read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885996
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I meant:
Then, for updating (=manually installing the update through recoverymode) the phone correctly (correctly =MAINTAINING ROOT and S-OFF), follow that guide.
Be sure you have ENG S-OFF and Radio S-OFF + permroot with Visionary+.
Also, be sure not to remove any preinstalled apps as this will cause unnecessary problems during the install

Sorry if I wasn't able to make myself clear.
My goal is not to have a rooted device. Maybe in the future I'll make this step if it will be necesary.
I want my device as new one, from store. I explained in the first post of this thread why I'm in this situation.
Through this thread I want to find a way to get OTA updates.
BTW, I understood that if the device is rooted OTA updates aren't possible. So I installed visionary+ and I used the "unroot now" button and I received this message: "your device doesn't appear to be rooted" or something like this.
It seems is not about unroot or s-on (see the 3rd post, too).
Anyway, if somebody has any idea, it would be apreciated to share.
Thanks,
Joaquin

You should at least get radio s-off before you upgrade. You'll thank me later if you decide you do actually want root.
Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD

dr.m0x said:
You should at least get radio s-off before you upgrade. You'll thank me later if you decide you do actually want root.
Sent from my performance enhanced Desire HD
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I've read about this and if I'll decide to upgrade I'll do it for sure.
Thanks,
Joaquin

S-OFF still showing after OTA?

My wife got her replacement Inc2 today after the one she got last week just died. She was on Froyo so I might of.. swapped her phones.. anyways, I rooted, went to the bathroom and the stupid ota ran I guess because when I came back the phone was on GB 2.3.3 however my boot screen shows S-OFF. Can anyone help me to verify that S-OFF is indeed still off. I can post any screen shots etc.. I am still a noob when it comes to the Inc2.

If your boot screen says S-Off, you are S-Off
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Did you flash clockworkmod recovery when you rooted? I didn't think the OTA would take if you had a custom recovery. In any event, since you're still s-off, you're fine.

I actually hadn't flashed recovery yet. Went ahead and flashed recovery. Superuser installed but busybox keeps failing. I am manually installing them since the patch I found also includes a rooted kernel but it is for Froyo.
The biggest deal for me is I am still S-OFF. I'm just confused as to how I managed to remain S-OFF after the OTA went through. If I can't get busybox installed I'll probably install Ginger Sense to obtain it.

kujayhawks77 said:
I actually hadn't flashed recovery yet. Went ahead and flashed recovery. Superuser installed but busybox keeps failing. I am manually installing them since the patch I found also includes a rooted kernel but it is for Froyo.
The biggest deal for me is I am still S-OFF. I'm just confused as to how I managed to remain S-OFF after the OTA went through. If I can't get busybox installed I'll probably install Ginger Sense to obtain it.
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Alpharev changed ur hboot to a higer version than the one in the OTA.. this is why it kept you S-OFF.. if I'm wrong someone correct me.

So basically I just got really lucky and kept my S-OFF even though the OTA went through.

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So basically I just got really lucky and kept my S-OFF even though the OTA went through.
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No. stock hboot is .97. alpharev bumped you up to 1.something.. idk I used XTC clip.. since your hboot is newer than the OTA.. it keeps you S-OFF, pretty smart by alpha.

So does this open a gateway to first root in Froyo and then go gingerbread and retain the root?

Only way to be able to tell is to have someone repeat my steps which were: stock froyo, run AlphaRevX, did not flash recovery, Run OTA (this happened by accident I did not intend for the OTA to go through) after the OTA is finished reboot and if it is indeed a "gateway" then S-OFF would still be on. (After seeing S-OFF was on (and making sure it was okay) I went ahead and installed cwm recovery at that point)
Now when I use the term "gateway" I say this loosely because it doesn't fix anything for anyone who is already on GB. If indeed this works, it would only work for a small percentage who get Froyo and don't flash clockwork before running the OTA.

I just got my Inc2 as a replacement for my fascinate, came with 2.1 might try your steps and see if my root will stay after doing the OTA

tnez said:
I just got my Inc2 as a replacement for my fascinate, came with 2.1 might try your steps and see if my root will stay after doing the OTA
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2.1??? I think you are mistaken, sir

beenz said:
2.1??? I think you are mistaken, sir
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He was mistaken cause it is sense 2.1 but android 2.2
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kujayhawks77 said:
Only way to be able to tell is to have someone repeat my steps which were: stock froyo, run AlphaRevX, did not flash recovery, Run OTA (this happened by accident I did not intend for the OTA to go through) after the OTA is finished reboot and if it is indeed a "gateway" then S-OFF would still be on. (After seeing S-OFF was on (and making sure it was okay) I went ahead and installed cwm recovery at that point)
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I've been wondering about this. I got my Dinc2 early July and I'm still on stock, unrooted Froyo. Somehow the OTA update to GB hasn't hit yet. Could I run ApharevX to get S-off and stop there for now? I am happy with bloated stock for the time being and want to be able to receive OTA updates, but would like to have the option down the road to add Clockworkmod and flash custom ROMs. From kujayhawks experience it seems that this should be possible.
Basically, if I achieve S-off with AlpharevX now, will I be able to pretty much do anything later?
P.S. First post, though I've been lurking around for a while. Great forum/community.

xenakis said:
Basically, if I achieve S-off with AlpharevX now, will I be able to pretty much do anything later?
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It appears from reports that S-off stays after the OTA to 2.3, so yea, that would seem to be the case.
If you turn S-off with AlphaRev, you might want to just go ahead and install Clockwork recovery at the same time. Doing so won't root or install SuperUser or anything, but you would be able to then backup your phone and be ready to flash if you wanted.

If you install clockwork recovery you won't be able to receive OTAs though, just keep that in mind. You can flash back to the stock recovery, but unless you are familiar with ADB, it won't necessarily be an easy process.

[Q] Is stock possible?

Recently been looking into purchasing a new HTC One for myself, but after reading up on it, I see that there are a ton of S-Off and stock issues flying around. I guess I have a few clarifying questions then...
If I buy the phone today, is S-Off still possible?
Is S-Off risky?
Can I return to 100% complete stock yet if I need to or not? If yes, how?
Really I'm wondering if it's worth it to even purchase this phone as I don't want to be without flashing ROMs but at the same time, I resell my phones after awhile so I'm going to need to go back to 100% stock eventually. Sorry if these questions have already been asked, my xda search function is a bit broken. Thanks for reading this far.
Edit - Did some more searching and found the HTC One m8 now has the RUU's? Could someone also explain this? I'm new to HTC devices, coming from a nexus 5 here.

Nobody knows at all...?
Sent from my HTC M8

DinoSoup said:
Recently been looking into purchasing a new HTC One for myself, but after reading up on it, I see that there are a ton of S-Off and stock issues flying around. I guess I have a few clarifying questions then...
If I buy the phone today, is S-Off still possible?
Is S-Off risky?
Can I return to 100% complete stock yet if I need to or not? If yes, how?
Really I'm wondering if it's worth it to even purchase this phone as I don't want to be without flashing ROMs but at the same time, I resell my phones after awhile so I'm going to need to go back to 100% stock eventually. Sorry if these questions have already been asked, my xda search function is a bit broken. Thanks for reading this far.
Edit - Did some more searching and found the HTC One m8 now has the RUU's? Could someone also explain this? I'm new to HTC devices, coming from a nexus 5 here.
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Probably, it will be. But it's not for certain. If your phone comes with the stock 1.12 software, then you can do it. But there's also a possibility of your phone being one of those unlucky "Whelp, this sucks..." phones. If it comes with the latest 1.57 software installed, it won't be possible.
That being said, if it comes with 1.12, which it probably will, and you unlock the bootloader, root, and S-Off, you can always go back to 100% stock with no trace at all of it ever being rooted if you want to return it for warranty, exc.
IF it is one of the unlucky "Whelp, this sucks..." phones, and you unlock your bootloader, root, and try to S-Off, but can't, then you can re lock the bootloader, run the stock RUU, and the only trace of it being unlocked and rooted would be that in the bootloader, it would say "Relocked" instead of "Locked."
Remember that if the phone comes with the 1.12 software, NEVER accept the OTA update. If you do accept the update, you will never be able to S-Off.
But again, chances are you will probably get the 1.12 software and be able to S-Off your phone. Hope this helped.

XxKINGxX2580 said:
Probably, it will be. But it's not for certain. If your phone comes with the stock 1.12 software, then you can do it. But there's also a possibility of your phone being one of those unlucky "Whelp, this sucks..." phones. If it comes with the latest 1.57 software installed, it won't be possible.
That being said, if it comes with 1.12, which it probably will, and you unlock the bootloader, root, and S-Off, you can always go back to 100% stock with no trace at all of it ever being rooted if you want to return it for warranty, exc.
IF it is one of the unlucky "Whelp, this sucks..." phones, and you unlock your bootloader, root, and try to S-Off, but can't, then you can re lock the bootloader, run the stock RUU, and the only trace of it being unlocked and rooted would be that in the bootloader, it would say "Relocked" instead of "Locked."
But again, chances are you will probably get the 1.12 software and be able to S-Off your phone. Hope this helped.
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Thanks a ton, this is exactly what I was hoping for. Final question - how do I go about getting to stock. I found the RUU and stock files but I don't know at all what to do. After I know that, I'll be ready to root!
Sent from my HTC M8

DinoSoup said:
Thanks a ton, this is exactly what I was hoping for. Final question - how do I go about getting to stock. I found the RUU and stock files but I don't know at all what to do. After I know that, I'll be ready to root!
Sent from my HTC M8
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Sorry for the late reply,
To get to complete 100% stock, you have to download and run the RUU. It's a simple EXE file. There are a bunch of Youtube videos on how to run RUUs. Before running the RUU, you have to re-lock the bootloader. But, to go to 100% stock, you first have to to reset the tampered flag, LOCK, not re-lock the bootloader (there is a thread on how to make the bootloader say LOCKED, not Re-Locked) and then S-ON. After that, run the RUU file, and it will take you back to complete stock. Like you never unlocked the bootloader or rooted.
But, I would do everything except S-ON. If you go to S-ON and run the RUU, you will not be able to go back to S-Off again. The RUU will install the 1.57 software, and that version isn't supported by Firewater.
The only thing you really have to do is a simple re-lock of the bootloader before running the RUU. But, doing what I said would make the phone look like it was never rooted. Again, I would do everything I said except going back to S-ON.

I just successfully achieved completely stock with S-On. I gave my details here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55374644&postcount=2

What to do first?

I'm going to pick up a new m8 this afternoon because I can get a great deal on it from my carrier right now. I will eventually want to add TWRP recovery and play with all the ROMs out there as I have with my old HTC Sensation, but first I plan to stick with the stock experience.
Can I S-Off, Unlock, and Root and still get the stock OTA updates after? From my reading it sounds like my first task should be S-Off before any OTA upgrades happen or it's unlikely I will be able to get S-Off until the new version of Sunshine comes out. Is this correct?
Thanks!

Firehawk989 said:
I'm going to pick up a new m8 this afternoon because I can get a great deal on it from my carrier right now. I will eventually want to add TWRP recovery and play with all the ROMs out there as I have with my old HTC Sensation, but first I plan to stick with the stock experience.
Can I S-Off, Unlock, and Root and still get the stock OTA updates after? From my reading it sounds like my first task should be S-Off before any OTA upgrades happen or it's unlikely I will be able to get S-Off until the new version of Sunshine comes out. Is this correct?
Thanks!
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If you get S-Off, you won't need to get the stock OTAs. That's the beauty of S-Off. You'll have the newest firmware way before you carrier does.

FIrst thing I did was unlocking, flashing recovery and did a nandroid. Then root and custom roms and stuff. Still S-On

Firehawk989 said:
I'm going to pick up a new m8 this afternoon because I can get a great deal on it from my carrier right now. I will eventually want to add TWRP recovery and play with all the ROMs out there as I have with my old HTC Sensation, but first I plan to stick with the stock experience.
Can I S-Off, Unlock, and Root and still get the stock OTA updates after? From my reading it sounds like my first task should be S-Off before any OTA upgrades happen or it's unlikely I will be able to get S-Off until the new version of Sunshine comes out. Is this correct?
Thanks!
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I should have mentioned, if you are buying a new stock device, S-Off right away. Unlock bootloader, flash custom recovery, install SU, then try to S-Off before flashing any ROMs. The S-Off method works best on the stock ROM.

Excellent, this is the info I needed. Thanks!

Also as for the uproar about Sunshine not being free, at least you get what you pay for. Worked flawlessly the first time to unlock the bootloader and S-Off without having to go through a long process of adb and fastboot commands and so forth. No *Tampered* flags in the bootloader or any other ill effects so far either, so seems worth it to me at this point. Note that this was with a new device that was still on 4.4.3 which may have helped.
However, I do see how some people feel like there should be a free DIY option as well, as I probably would have just taken the time to unlock and S-Off the old fashioned way if it was possible. Did that with my HTC Sensation back in the day.

Sunshine s-off question

I have a completely stock Verizon HTC 10, that I bought a couple weeks ago. I am interested in using Sunshine to go s-off locked. I'd like to do this before I run the Nougat update. My question is if I only run Sunshine, will I still have the stock recovery after it is done? If so, will I be able to take the OTA to Nougat at that point? Then in theory I'd be s-off, locked, on Nougat and un-rooted. Then I could wait until root is acquired but I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off.
Does this question make sense?
Thanks everyone!

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I have a completely stock Verizon HTC 10, that I bought a couple weeks ago. I am interested in using Sunshine to go s-off locked. I'd like to do this before I run the Nougat update. My question is if I only run Sunshine, will I still have the stock recovery after it is done? If so, will I be able to take the OTA to Nougat at that point? Then in theory I'd be s-off, locked, on Nougat and un-rooted. Then I could wait until root is acquired but I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off.
Does this question make sense?
Thanks everyone!
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Yes youll have stock recovery and you can upgrade and still keep your s-off.also when nougat comes out in the verizon thread someone will post a flashable zip or ruu of nougat so either way you will be safe.now idk how nougat will act but now the only way to get cm to boot on vzw is too flash a midified us unlocked firmware then ruu back to verizon firmware.hope this helps and answers your questions

Chewieez said:
I have a completely stock Verizon HTC 10, that I bought a couple weeks ago. I am interested in using Sunshine to go s-off locked. I'd like to do this before I run the Nougat update. My question is if I only run Sunshine, will I still have the stock recovery after it is done? If so, will I be able to take the OTA to Nougat at that point? Then in theory I'd be s-off, locked, on Nougat and un-rooted. Then I could wait until root is acquired but I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off.
Does this question make sense?
Thanks everyone!
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Hi!
I'm also thinking about doing the S-off before the nougat update. In your post, you said that " ...I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off. ". What risks does upgrading firmware have? Do you lose S-off if you upgrade the firmware? Isn't the Nougat OTA a firmware update itself?
Sorry for the stupid question, I'm kinda new to the topic

bence.szij said:
Hi!
I'm also thinking about doing the S-off before the nougat update. In your post, you said that " ...I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off. ". What risks does upgrading firmware have? Do you lose S-off if you upgrade the firmware? Isn't the Nougat OTA a firmware update itself?
Sorry for the stupid question, I'm kinda new to the topic
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I think he meant first s-off while you're still on MM,then update to Nougat.

bence.szij said:
Hi!
I'm also thinking about doing the S-off before the nougat update. In your post, you said that " ...I wouldn't run the risk of upgrading firmware and such and losing the ability for Sunshine to get s-off. ". What risks does upgrading firmware have? Do you lose S-off if you upgrade the firmware? Isn't the Nougat OTA a firmware update itself?
Sorry for the stupid question, I'm kinda new to the topic
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I meant if you upgrade to N and upgrade firmware before you get s-off, you may lose the exploit sunshine uses to gain s-off.
Once you have s-off, nothing will change you back to s-on except a deliberate act you do to set it back to S-on. Upgrading firmware after you have s-off will never set you back to s-on.
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The OP being a a Verizon user, there is no N Verizon firmware he can take while being S-ON until Verizon gives us N (or it somehow gets leaked?). So not much to worry about yet.
If you want S-OFF, however, I would do it very soon, as N will most certainly patch the temp-root method used in Sunshine to acquire S-OFF.
To the OP - after you run Sunshine you will be booted back to where you were pre-Sunshine, only difference is you'll be now S-OFF and bootloader unlocked (even if you choose locked).
For other users like an Unlocked variant device if S-ON and a locked bootloader, if you run the N RUU, or take the OTA, which updates firmware will kill your opportunity for S-OFF until/if/when/ Sunshine is updated for N, so be careful about what you flash/upgrade.
Best of luck, all.