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So I recently found out I'm unable to install OTA Android updates to my phone if it's rooted.
So what can I do once ICS is released for the GS2? Will there be a download online that I can just flash with ODIN? Or are people going to be forced to unroot if they want the official ICS stock?
Most likely samfirmware aka sammobile will release an odin .tar, so you'll be good to go with odin.
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saj1jr said:
So I recently found out I'm unable to install OTA Android updates to my phone if it's rooted.
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That's not true. You will be unable to install OTA patch-style updates if you have modified one of the files being patched. If you rooted with Auto Root and that's all you did, you will be able to install OTA patch-style updates even without unrooting (though the update will disable root)
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So what can I do once ICS is released for the GS2? Will there be a download online that I can just flash with ODIN? Or are people going to be forced to unroot if they want the official ICS stock?
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I'm sure there will be an ODIN update within a few days or maybe even the same day. You can also flash EK02 and let the OTA update upgrade you (or if you've just rooted with Auto Root, just let the OTA update run), though you are probably better off waiting for an update from XDA, because the updates from here will attempt to keep your rooting and upgrade options as open as possible.
I'll also probably have an OTA compliance check for the next official update so you can tell immediately which files are not in compliance with what the update expects. I have one for EG30 to EK02 as part of the Auto Root package, so it would be similar in functionality.
First rule: Never take an OTA update if you care about rooting.
Any file made available from sprint or samsung will have a rooted/safe version posted in the dev section within a few hours of release.
I know samsung is pretty nice to us rooters but you never know when that might change.
lafester said:
First rule: Never take an OTA update if you care about rooting.
Any file made available from sprint or samsung will have a rooted/safe version posted in the dev section within a few hours of release.
I know samsung is pretty nice to us rooters but you never know when that might change.
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Is there a way to block OTAs? I'm running Calkulin's 2.8 if that matters.
Relax427 said:
Is there a way to block OTAs? I'm running Calkulin's 2.8 if that matters.
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There is a thread on blocking them in the wiki, provided here for your ease.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1388778
If you are worried about the OTA messing something up, it'll download and ask to install, but if you've made any changes to your ROM, including installing CWM, then it will fail the integrity check and won't install, so nothing will change.
I don't understand the OP's dilemma. Just wait a couple of hours after the OTA update and get a rooted version of the update... no problem!
It won't be out for a few more months anyways. It isn't even being tested yet. I doubt an initial build is even at Samsung. They are working on the the Galaxy S2 right now(the GSM overseas version). And, I am sure Sprint will sell some other phone with ICS stock before they update ours.
There's a new OTA update available for the Galaxy S4 SGH-M919V variant from Wind Mobile, Eastlink, Videotron in Canada.
This is the update that finally brings the much awaited Apps2SD feature to our phones. It also includes the following enhancements:
- Some new icons in the settings
- Additional 'Smart Pause' button in quick settings
- Stability improvements
- Upgrades the camera firmware.
- Storage shown as 16GB now, but 6.38 GB is occupied by System memory under 'Misc'.
Firmware version: M919VVLUAMG1
So its official. TMo is the last carrier on Earth to get this update.
stevessvt said:
So its official. TMo is the last carrier on Earth to get this update.
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Unfortunately, it appears to be the case as of now. I really can't imagine it being that far off now. Since, these versions are identical!
Will the update kill ROOT?
macaumen said:
Will the update kill ROOT?
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The OTA will fail to update if you're rooted.
I had to Odin back to stock and then apply the OTA update.
So yes, the update will break root.
I haven't tried to root it since, so I can't report any progress there.
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dj_aj said:
The OTA will fail to update if you're rooted.
I had to Odin back to stock and then apply the OTA update.
So yes, the update will break root.
I haven't tried to root it since, so I can't report any progress there.
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It failed because it said your device is modified and prevent you from updating or it failed in the middle of updating?
tmobile needs to speed up this apps to sd update.....
I love how they are trying to hide the space the system uses under miscellaneous. This might trick people into not complaining about having more available disk space. I've heard good things about this update... Just want it already.
Still lovin' Tmo more than Sprint!!! 15-26mb beats 100k all day long. And I enjoy being able turn the camera sound off without rooting.
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man, i got excited for a minute when i read new firmware update.
T-Mobile is usually quick to send out updates, I wonder why it's taking them long to release this one? The S3 got the JB update pretty quick if I'm not mistaken.
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T-Mobile is usually quick to send out updates, I wonder why it's taking them long to release this one? The S3 got the JB update pretty quick if I'm not mistaken.
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you can blame me for the update not being released and it wont be released for months, according to my sources. I talked to t mobile about all the bugs they have, so they said fine, we will do everything never to give bugs again, hence a long update period...It was probably my phone calls that lead to this wait
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you can blame me for the update not being released and it wont be released for months, according to my sources. I talked to t mobile about all the bugs they have, so they said fine, we will do everything never to give bugs again, hence a long update period...It was probably my phone calls that lead to this wait
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You son of a ..... ;__; :crying:
I realize it's always an agonizing wait to get your hands on the newest firmware. However, there's a bright side to it. You all are still able to root and tinker with your devices.
I haven't been able to root the newest firmware using motochopper and am hesitant to try CF-Autoroot because in the case it does trip the flash counter and I loose root, I won't be able to reset it.
So, by the time tmobile sends out the update, there hopefully is a way to root.
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I realize it's always an agonizing wait to get your hands on the newest firmware. However, there's a bright side to it. You all are still able to root and tinker with your devices.
I haven't been able to root the newest firmware using motochopper and am hesitant to try CF-Autoroot because in the case it does trip the flash counter and I loose root, I won't be able to reset it.
So, by the time tmobile sends out the update, there hopefully is a way to root.
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Next time if your already rooted you can grab the app voodoo OTA Rootkeeper, which should be able to protect and reapply root after an update.
stevessvt said:
Next time if your already rooted you can grab the app voodoo OTA Rootkeeper, which should be able to protect and reapply root after an update.
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Thanks for that tip. However, I doubt it would've worked because since I was rooted, the update failed to complete installing around 25%. So, I had to odin back to stock and then apply the OTA. Probably something to do with a locked bootloader.
Under About Phone/Status, where you 'Official'?
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Under About Phone/Status, where you 'Official'?
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Yeah, the phone status was 'Official'. You'd have to be in order to get OTA updates/notifications.
Initially upon rooting, the status changed to 'Custom', But I followed the guide below to revert it to 'Official' while retaining root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2296014
Nothing against Canada but can't believe they got an update before the U.S. model.
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Can someone make a flashable rom with these update fir T-Mobile?
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epsix said:
Can someone make a flashable rom with these update fir T-Mobile?
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you already can get this update, but you will loose wifi calling and other tmobile features
HTC/USA TWEETED today that today's update is the first part of the 2 part 4.3 VZW update. Today was a compatibility update for the 4.3 update.
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jbh00jh said:
HTC/USA TWEETED today that today's update is the first part of the 2 part 4.3 VZW update. Today was a compatibility update for the 4.3 update.
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The only way that makes sense is if it updates recovery. I'm not really sure why anyone would still be on the stock rom anyway ...
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The only way that makes sense is if it updates recovery. I'm not really sure why anyone would still be on the stock rom anyway ...
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Just telling what is on Twitter, was posted 20 hours ago. And 90% of vzw customers are stock.
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Updated info from HTC
Here is further info from HTC regarding updates to the Verizon HTC One (about halfway down the page). 4.3 update in December, and 4.4 late January.
Quote: HTC USA also addressed the question of Android 4.3 and 4.4 updates for the Verizon HTC One, which yesterday received a small update to its existing 4.2-based firmware. HTC describes this as a "compatibility update," to be followed by a 4.3 OTA in December. The delay to the Android 4.3 rollout on Verizon won't affect the planned 4.4 launch on the carrier in late January, HTC's message added.
Link to article: http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-reveals-more-kitkat-update-details
I'll believe it when I see it.
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The only way that makes sense is if it updates recovery. I'm not really sure why anyone would still be on the stock rom anyway ...
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It did and often does.
It updated recovery and hboot, which would be very possible to have to change to allow the 4.3 OTA to actually flash properly when it's put out.
So if we didn't do the OTA we will have to do an OTA.zip to do the 4.3?
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I'd just wait for the devs to do their thing. The last thing that I want is to have s-on and my buttloader locked again.
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And by buttloader I mean boot loader....
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So if we didn't do the OTA we will have to do an OTA.zip to do the 4.3?
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Ok, so I took the .15 ota as is and still was s-off and unlocked. All I had to do was flash supersu and done.
Just cleaned up the bloat and made my edits for remove location icon n WiFi nag.. no negative effects.
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HTC/USA TWEETED today that today's update is the first part of the 2 part 4.3 VZW update. Today was a compatibility update for the 4.3 update.
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Santod made the joke that the update was to help us get better updates. Turns out it wasn't a joke :laugh:
Taking the OTAs
Guys, I am at a loss here...I got the Verizon HTC ONE, used rumrunner to achieve S-OFF, Unlock, and Root, then flashed CWM 6.0.4.4 (I do have installed aps that require root if that matters) That's it. No de-bloat, no custom ROM, nothing. When I re-flash the original stock recovery back and try to check for and take the OTAs from the front end, I get "no new software update available". I'm still on 1.10.605.2 and original firmware. Would like to take this thing up to latest, be S-OFF, Unlocked, Rooted still but still off the shelf or stock for a bit more until I have shaken this thing down more.
I like the look of Santod's ROMs, probably will end up there, but not yet . His stock updated ROMs appear to have too much blue baked in for me - I like it off the shelf right now.
Thanks in advance if anyone can help guide me.
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Guys, I am at a loss here...I got the Verizon HTC ONE, used rumrunner to achieve S-OFF, Unlock, and Root, then flashed CWM 6.0.4.4 (I do have installed aps that require root if that matters) That's it. No de-bloat, no custom ROM, nothing. When I re-flash the original stock recovery back and try to check for and take the OTAs from the front end, I get "no new software update available". I'm still on 1.10.605.2 and original firmware. Would like to take this thing up to latest, be S-OFF, Unlocked, Rooted still but still off the shelf or stock for a bit more until I have shaken this thing down more.
I like the look of Santod's ROMs, probably will end up there, but not yet . His stock updated ROMs appear to have too much blue baked in for me - I like it off the shelf right now.
Thanks in advance if anyone can help guide me.
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Have you frozen anything at all in Titanium Backup? If I remember correctly you have to relock your bootloader to be able to OTA (I may be mistaken though). If I were you I'd just wait until someone posts an OTApkg.zip (I think there's one available already) and just flash that instead.
eharvey said:
Guys, I am at a loss here...I got the Verizon HTC ONE, used rumrunner to achieve S-OFF, Unlock, and Root, then flashed CWM 6.0.4.4 (I do have installed aps that require root if that matters) That's it. No de-bloat, no custom ROM, nothing. When I re-flash the original stock recovery back and try to check for and take the OTAs from the front end, I get "no new software update available". I'm still on 1.10.605.2 and original firmware. Would like to take this thing up to latest, be S-OFF, Unlocked, Rooted still but still off the shelf or stock for a bit more until I have shaken this thing down more.
I like the look of Santod's ROMs, probably will end up there, but not yet . His stock updated ROMs appear to have too much blue baked in for me - I like it off the shelf right now.
Thanks in advance if anyone can help guide me.
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No OTA will download onto the .02 software.
That was a version that shouldn't really have been distributed as far as I can see.
It will never see or allow for an OTA, so you will need to update to a stock .08 or stock .10 rom to be able to get the .15 OTA.
By the way, my stock roms are 100% stock, I did not change the colors of a single thing in my stock roms.
They are there for the 100% stock experience and for restore purposes. The .15 will be posted today as well.
NuSenseONE Max has blue elements added, but none of my stock roms do.
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No OTA will download onto the .02 software.
That was a version that shouldn't really have been distributed as far as I can see.
It will never see or allow for an OTA, so you will need to update to a stock .08 or stock .10 rom to be able to get the .15 OTA.
By the way, my stock roms are 100% stock, I did not change the colors of a single thing in my stock roms.
They are there for the 100% stock experience and for restore purposes. The .15 will be posted today as well.
NuSenseONE Max has blue elements added, but none of my stock roms do.
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While this is not the correct thread to ask, why would .2 not accept OTA's on top of it?
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While this is not the correct thread to ask, why would .2 not accept OTA's on top of it?
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As stated, I don't think the .2 software was supposed to be distributed.
As you can see from the story above, it does not pull the OTA's.
I have seen this now on the last couple OTA's where folks on .2 were not able to see any updates.
One user took his to Verizon to have it replaced/updated there.
Most of them appeared to have had .2 at one point and then were updated/reflashed to the .8 and the box relabeled before being sold.
Most of the boxes still had the .2 sticker under the new .8 one.
Point is, it wasn't supposed to be distributed as far as I can tell and since it's not truly a Release version, it won't update.
You would have to ask Verizon/HTC for any further clarification then that.
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As stated, I don't think the .2 software was supposed to be distributed.
As you can see from the story above, it does not pull the OTA's.
I have seen this now on the last couple OTA's where folks on .2 were not able to see any updates.
One user took his to Verizon to have it replaced/updated there.
Most of them appeared to have had .2 at one point and then were updated/reflashed to the .8 and the box relabeled before being sold.
Most of the boxes still had the .2 sticker under the new .8 one.
Point is, it wasn't supposed to be distributed as far as I can tell and since it's not truly a Release version, it won't update.
You would have to ask Verizon/HTC for any further clarification then that.
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Lol @santod040 is a freaking HTC One Oracle. I never even knew .2 was thing before he asked that let alone knowing it was jank and wouldn't accept OTAs. How did he get .2? I got the phone like 4 days after Verizon launched it and it had .8.
EDIT: Nvm. I'm derp and didn't read all of santod's response before posting lol
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Lol @santod040 is a freaking HTC One Oracle.
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And a HTC Thunderbolt Oracle.
Cheers!
AMEN!!
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And a HTC Thunderbolt Oracle.
Cheers!
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Forget Verizon ... Just root and run 4.3/5.5 .. first it was a month delayed which would have been November now it's December ... They just released the max . They will focus on that now and the one will be just like the
DNA or incredible 4g on Verizon
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We now have a second week of December time frame for the 4.3 update, so I assume we'll see it around the second week of January, just in time to be told that KitKat is being pushed back to the day after never.
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We now have a second week of December time frame for the 4.3 update, so I assume we'll see it around the second week of January, just in time to be told that KitKat is being pushed back to the day after never.
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This makes sense because 1 month after the 3rd week of October is the 2nd week of December, right? Verizon?
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68.86Mb Download. Version stays the same 4.4.2 Also Note 2 got OTA also today from AT&T if someone can post on Note 2 page. Thanks
You will loose Root. After Update Baseband Ver. I747UCFUFNJ1, Kernel 3.4.0-1514807 Wed Oct 1, Build Number KOT49H.I747UCUFNJ1 Still 4.4.2 Android
weird. I wonder what they changed. 69MB is pretty small. security patches? POODLE fix perhaps?
How odd as I'm not getting an update notification, but then again I don't want it. All it is is some more bloat and a new kernel. Probably a kernel that has been patched for towelroot. The update may also lock the bootloader, I wouldn't put it past at&t if it did.
Restore to NE4
Can you restore or downgrade to the NE4? When I got my S3 it came with the new update and towelroot doesn't support it.
I also don't want to take a risk of getting knox tripped if I do try to go to NE4.
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68.86Mb Download. Version stays the same 4.4.2 Also Note 2 got OTA also today from AT&T if someone can post on Note 2 page. Thanks
You will loose Root. After Update Baseband Ver. I747UCFUFNJ1, Kernel 3.4.0-1514807 Wed Oct 1, Build Number KOT49H.I747UCUFNJ1 Still 4.4.2 Android
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Don't install it. I installed on my S3 which is rooted and now it won't boot past the Samsung logo screen. Just goes to a black screen.
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Don't install it. I installed on my S3 which is rooted and now it won't boot past the Samsung logo screen. Just goes to a black screen.
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Mine fails to install and gets stuck in an update loop. I haven't figured out how to break out of it yet.
EDIT: Managed to get it all sorted out. I was still on i747UCALEM when I got an OTA prompt today. Something happened and it got stuck in an update loop. It was probably failing to install, then failing to rollback. I couldn't get it to flash any of the older roms anymore, when I finally realized I might have partially updated to 4.3+. I was able to install the MJB rom and it booted, but it said "Baseband Unknown". Using adb, I managed to figure out that the OTA had partially installed an I747UCUFNE4 modem. I say partially because I had tried an NE4 rom after the MJB rom and it also failed to identify the baseband. However, getprop ro.bootloader was returning "I747UCUFNE4".
I flashed TWRP back on my device, flashed an NE4 modem properly, and flashed an NE4 rom. This time it found the baseband and everything seems to be working for me. I have no clue if my bootloader is correct, but I'm done for now.
So it's not safe to update with root? I used towelroot and have a clockwork recovery.
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So it's not safe to update with root? I used towelroot and have a clockwork recovery.
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No it will put your phone back to Stock, No Root and Stock Recovery.
I updated and my phone is fine, but I don't have root anymore. I used CF-AutoRoot originally, and then I used TowelRoot after the last update. Neither work anymore on the 4.4.2 NJ1 version, so I'm not sure if there is any "easy" way to get root back. I don't really know what the pitfalls involved with TWRP and all the more-involved things.
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No it will put your phone back to Stock, No Root and Stock Recovery.
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Dang. Guess I'll have to wait till a new root becomes available
I had 2 that were completely stock, both failed and got stuck
in the att boot logo updating then fail loop. No recovery menu
no options. These has stock bootloaders and were not rooted.
So be warned
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I had 2 that were completely stock, both failed and got stuck
in the att boot logo updating then fail loop. No recovery menu
no options. These has stock bootloaders and were not rooted.
So be warned
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Same here. No Root. Was on 4.4.2 from this summer. All I did was accept the update, watched it download the 69MB and then let it do its thing. Reboots, says installing, moves to updating then then fails at 95%. Will do this over and over again until I pull battery. Cannot get to recovery, too. I am pissed, since all I did was respond to AT&T's request to update. Otherwise, the phone was perfectly fine. Now I have no use of my phone.
Please post back with solutions.
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Can you restore or downgrade to the NE4? When I got my S3 it came with the new update and towelroot doesn't support it.
I also don't want to take a risk of getting knox tripped if I do try to go to NE4.
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Once updated, all attempts to revert back to NE4 result in a brick.
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Have any of you tried this to update?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3-att/general/ucufne4-to-ucufnj1-update-t2941792
RSI Repair (Samsung authorized service center) Couldnt repair it.
Samsung blamed AT&T and AT&T blamed Samsung. Turned them in as claims to mobile insurance. Galaxy S3 no longer stocked so Mobile insurance gave me 2 Galaxy Alpha's
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RSI Repair (Samsung authorized service center) Couldnt repair it.
Samsung blamed AT&T and AT&T blamed Samsung. Turned them in as claims to mobile insurance. Galaxy S3 no longer stocked so Mobile insurance gave me 2 Galaxy Alpha's
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LOL...typical. Neither one takes responsibility. From my understanding of the way the process works with these updates, it would be AT&T at fault since they have to "test and approve" any updates given by Samsung. Of course they will never admit to being at fault.
How can I disable OTA Update? Also anyone else have play store download a ota security policy?
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How can I disable OTA Update? Also anyone else have play store download a ota security policy?
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I have used TiBu in the past to stop updates by freezing the software update function in stock based ROM.
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How can I disable OTA Update? Also anyone else have play store download a ota security policy?
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I used an app from the Play Store called "My Backup Root" to freeze the update. You can also freeze the security policy updates which is a part of KNOX and/or SELinux I gander.
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I used an app from the Play Store called "My Backup Root" to freeze the update. You can also freeze the security policy updates which is a part of KNOX and/or SELinux I gander.
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Dang i had to use titanium backup pro. Wish I could have found a free one before paying $6 to stop the notification. Idk what Titanum Backup even does
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Dang i had to use titanium backup pro. Wish I could have found a free one before paying $6 to stop the notification. Idk what Titanum Backup even does
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My Backup Root is a free app on Google Play Store. Always good to have Titanium Backup Pro though, as it lets you backup all your apps and pretty much anything on the software side of your phone.
Software update installed itself. Is the March root impossible for me?
My Note 4 pestered me constantly to update the software, and I kept hitting the home button. Eventually I got tired of it and hit "Update Later" thinking it would stop nagging me every 15 minutes if I hit that button.
Well nope. Instead the phone shut off in the middle of downloading my apps and starting installing the software update.
This pissed me off so much.
Are my chances for root lower in March? Is it possible to downgrade the software?
Thanks!
What version did it install? And who said there would be root in March?
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What version did it install? And who said there would be root in March?
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It installed 4.4.4, not sure what else it did. I saw a thread about the root supposedly coming in March.
Lol. Nobody said "root is coming in March."
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Lol. Nobody said "root is coming in March."
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/root-march-1-poll-t3006188
That was what I read. That's why when the software update installed without my approval I got annoyed. If a root does come, and it's not for my software version due to the OTA update, I'll be screwed out of root. Could I flash back to stock then?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/root-march-1-poll-t3006188
That was what I read. That's why when the software update installed without my approval I got annoyed. If a root does come, and it's not for my software version due to the OTA update, I'll be screwed out of root. Could I flash back to stock then?
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You read it wrong. It's a question not an answer. Do you THINK we will have root by March 1st? As for your question I wouldn't loose any sleep over taking the update. You can flash back to the previous NI1 with Odin if needed. If you are worried about any future OTAs being forced on your phone see this thread or this one and follow the directions to block the OTA.