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Hello,
This phone looks really interesting, but I don't think Samsung will care about it after the promised 2.2 update. Furthermore its predecessor, the Galaxy, suffered from both a total lack of custom roms.
So my question is do you think there will be good custom roms for this phone for newer android versions ? Is it possible (eventual problems with drivers, etc..) ?
Thanks for your answers
Paul O'Brien @ MoDaCo has just tweeted that he has rooted his own Samsung Galaxy S, so im sure that he will produce some great things for this phone as he has done with many other android phones. I hope its soon
I'm pretty sure there will be some awesome custom ROM s. This phone will be on the top 4 US carriers and US cellular. There will be a lot of new developers coming to this forum once the device is released.
DAKIDD236 said:
This phone will be on the top 4 US carriers and US cellular.
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I consider this more of an annoyance since there will be like 5 different rom types (4 US versions plus the Europe/Global version) because so far every version has a different hardware configuration. AT&T and T-Mobile versions have different buttons (4 instead of 3) and no front camera. The Sprint version is a totally different phone with camera flash, a keyboard, and unfortunately, only 1 GB of storage (Link). The Sprint version also has no front camera and comes with 4 buttons. No details on the Verizon version. It's inevitable that someone will flash with the wrong rom.
The Captivate for AT&T has almost identical hardware to the I9000, as well as having a front facing camera. the only thing that was rly changed on this phone from the I9000 was the body design and the extra button.
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The Captivate for AT&T has almost identical hardware to the I9000, as well as having a front facing camera. the only thing that was rly changed on this phone from the I9000 was the body design and the extra button.
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Hmm...i actually read that it won't have the front facing camera.
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Hmm...i actually read that it won't have the front facing camera.
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Captivate will have front facing camera and Vibrant on t-mobile does not have it. Vibrant actually looks identical to the Galaxy S, but Catptivate looks totally different(i think it looks better). Captivate looks=SE X10 looks, Galaxy S/Vibrant looks=iPhone looks??
edit. both of those links are telling that they both have secondary camera, but pictures of the phones are without front cameras.
here's the Samsung Captivate and Samsung Galaxy S I9000 compared on gsmarena
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3408&idPhone2=3115
Remember Samsung holds a tight lock around it's drivers. So don't expect anything to awesome with these roms. No wifi tether is obvious and all roms will be based on Samsungs current 2.1 release. It's impossible to port anything from HTC or Motorola onto a Samsung phone because of the crazy partitions and security they have on it.
Yeah that was the problem I was referring to when creating custom firmware..
I'll buy another phone I guess
I'm not an expert, but don't think that's true. As SGS is rooted and Paul is currently preparing the kitchen @Modaco it looks like the bootloader is not locked like motorola milestone. Thus there's no problem to have custom roms, or?. Froyo is secured (according to samsung) so drivers will not be a problem in near future imho.
P.S. as I see some other phones with the same/similar hardware are announced to come in the next several months so pretty much there will be drivers available..from one or another place. But this is valid concern for any android as a matter of fact...except nexus 1, which is out of my scope due to the bad HW
P.S.S Another .02c - if the functionality promised is working as charm and the remaining phone's issues are solved in the near future...is it so important to have the latest gimmick that re-starts the troubleshooting from scratch?
P.S.S.S Samsung is a better choice than HTC... Many reasons.
dlci said:
I'm not an expert, but don't think that's true. As SGS is rooted and Paul is currently preparing the kitchen @Modaco it looks like the bootloader is not locked like motorola milestone. Thus there's no problem to have custom roms, or?. Froyo is secured (according to samsung) so drivers will not be a problem in near future imho.
P.S. as I see some other phones with the same/similar hardware are announced to come in the next several months so pretty much there will be drivers available..from one or another place. But this is valid concern for any android as a matter of fact...except nexus 1, which is out of my scope due to the bad HW
P.S.S Another .02c - if the functionality promised is working as charm and the remaining phone's issues are solved in the near future...is it so important to have the latest gimmick that re-starts the troubleshooting from scratch?
P.S.S.S Samsung is a better choice than HTC... Many reasons.
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Samsung's drivers are proprietary and encrypted. You still have to wait for them to be released in order to get anything to work on a Samsung device or else the device will have no display/sound/antenna's. The bootloader was hacked on the Behold 2 but we still had no option to flash from the phone. That means ODIN is the only way. Behold 2 was rooted and still had no wifi-tether and no choice in custom roms (it was whatever samsung released + optimizations). HTC has Samsung beat with hackability.
Ok, I understand now what you mean. Didn't know that.
Too bad with this encyption story...
edit:we wouldn't have gingerbread if samsung won't release it,is that right? No chance to get something "new" if samsung doesn't release it directly?
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Too bad with this encyption story...
edit:we wouldn't have gingerbread if samsung won't release it,is that right? No chance to get something "new" if samsung doesn't release it directly?
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If they release it for another Samsung phone then it's possible that it could be ported but not certain. There is a 2.1 rom for the Galaxy. Eugene tried to port it to the Behold 2 and got almost everything working except for the most important thing which is sound. Wifi/BT/data/video were all there but he just couldn't get sound. We had a 1.6 rom well before the official release only because Galaxy had it first (also someone got a secret behold 2 beta a month after the Galaxy rom was released) and it's only problem was it didn't have vibrate. It's just nearly impossible to do anything without something from Samsung.
A good read if you want to understand what you're getting into when you buy a Samsung phone. http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a-4.html
mmmm, so, the combination of encrypted drivers and poor samsung support i.e. firmware updates, means that we wont be able to run 2.2 ROMs unless samsung releases 2.2?
and also further android versions are a no go?
already been burned by motorola with milestone and its locked bootloader, dont wanna burn again.... seems like the only option is HTC
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No wifi tether is obvious and all roms will be based on Samsungs current 2.1 release.
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But there is wifi tethering. I set up a mobile AP on my UK Vodafone SGS to allow a guy in the office to activate his iPhone 4!
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Samsung's drivers are proprietary and encrypted. You still have to wait for them to be released in order to get anything to work on a Samsung device or else the device will have no display/sound/antenna's.
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Are you sure about that? Recording to this thread the galaxy s source samsung released includes drivers with wlan and camera mentioned as examples:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696863
o shi. if what you guys says here is true and there is no way to make new roms for the samsung or get new android version until samsung make them because of the DRIVERS that's a no go Galaxy for me plus tether is a Must Have for me .... damm u samsung. that was the only phone in t-mobile that I like I guess I'm gonna have to switch from carrier after all
I think we can't really compare GS with Behold 2. GS will have lot more support from Samsung. Also i have faith in Paul's work, he will come with some serious ROM's.
I wouldn't surprise if he would port Froyo to GS before Samsung. He already had fixed stalling issue, now i could feel real hummingbird humming in my GS.
I may be way out of line here and if so I apologize - however coming from the Galaxy Nexus to the Galaxy Note 3 I'm mostly pretty happy except with certain aspects of Samsungs software stupidity that I can't seem to get rid of. I've been using the GEL and its amazing but I want to get back to "stock android" as much as possible. This means getting rid of the assnine Gingerbread-era settings menus, dialers, people app and other apps that look like they were plucked from my Droid X from 3 years ago.
Am I being unreasonable when I look at the available ROM's on the T-mo section and see that there aren't any kitkat ROMs available yet? Is there a development hurdle for the Galaxy devices that makes it impossible to make a AOSP-based ROM? (As if it needs to be said, I'm not a developer).
I love the hardware and the S-pen functionality (why I bought it), but I need to rid myself of the 90's era UI that samsung has foisted on us. Am I missing a ROM out there that can fulfill my needs?
I don't think there is anything aosp that can offer what tw had to offer when it comes to s pen functionality.
I had the note 2 before this and was running paranoid ROM which didn't have the cool s pen features.
What I've used the most is the pen window feature. Taking a quick note or using the calc has been handy.
Grande Note 3
Defenestratus said:
I may be way out of line here and if so I apologize - however coming from the Galaxy Nexus to the Galaxy Note 3 I'm mostly pretty happy except with certain aspects of Samsungs software stupidity that I can't seem to get rid of. I've been using the GEL and its amazing but I want to get back to "stock android" as much as possible. This means getting rid of the assnine Gingerbread-era settings menus, dialers, people app and other apps that look like they were plucked from my Droid X from 3 years ago.
Am I being unreasonable when I look at the available ROM's on the T-mo section and see that there aren't any kitkat ROMs available yet? Is there a development hurdle for the Galaxy devices that makes it impossible to make a AOSP-based ROM? (As if it needs to be said, I'm not a developer).
I love the hardware and the S-pen functionality (why I bought it), but I need to rid myself of the 90's era UI that samsung has foisted on us. Am I missing a ROM out there that can fulfill my needs?
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We all feel your pain brother.
I have owned 3 Samsung Galaxy devices before this one and all have had AOSP/AOKP/CM10.2
For some reason or another, a developer not made a bare bone AOSP rom.
Which we all want.
Believe me when I say, we all know touchwiz is getting annoying.
My current setup is Stock Deodexed Debloated with the AOSP theme found in the "Themes and Apps" section, also with the Kit Kat Launcher.
I downloaded all of the Nexus 5 apps (Calendar, Camera, Gallery, Clock, etc. And deleted the Touchwiz ones.
This is as close as we can get for now .
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Just curious if anyone else doesn't care about root anymore.
I haven't rooted since I took the Marshmallow update, and I don't miss a thing about root. My phone runs great without a custom kernel or the ability to write to the microSD with apps that don't normally get to do so.
I'm not arguing that being unrooted is better. The only real benefit to not having root is that I can just take the security updates OTA with no fuss or muss. But I'm not paranoid about security updates, so that doesn't matter much to me. It's just that if root was such a good thing, why don't I miss it?
I agree, it isn't work the effort anymore. My next Smart Phone will be Google only.
Yup, haven't rooted in a while. It's nice being able to take the security updates and keep the phone a little more locked down. Only thing I miss is ad blocking.
Not to derail this thread. I have some input for un-rooted users. But also my feelings for root.
You un-rooted users try Adguard? The Google Play version works for Samsung and Yandex browsers only.
The other browsers require the version that comes from their site.
But Adguard is limited to VPN only for un-rooted devices and may use a tad more RAM and battery and be slower. Rooted or not, Adguard may be the best ad-blocker for Android.
What about Good Lock? Can you run that on un-rooted marshmallow phone? Dunno, maybe you can?
Then there's package disabler apps on Google Play that you can use to deal with bloat. Tried those?
However, I'd miss root too much to go without it, personally. No V4A for easy tunes listening, Xposed customization (or custom ROMs) and individual core control, and one of my favorites: modified Swype with top number row and one added shortcut to edit keyboard.
What kind of screen on time are guys getting on battery stats? I usually get 8 hours plus on the stock sized capacity battery but that depends on what I'm using there phone for. -(Browsing seems less intensive compared to streaming, gaming, downloading and talking.-use effects stats the most...)
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idk about not needing root lol
but not needing a custom rom is acceptable lol
i know for me im stock rooted only to remove bloat center my clock to put percent in battery instead of on the side
plus once you have adaway and the 1 for youtube you cant go back *At least i think so*
I am not root as yet i have no problem so far yet with the stock rom
I have not rooted since the Marshmallow upgrade, either. I miss Titanium Backup and FolderMount, but I am too lazy to unroot for the frequent security updates.
I specifically root for AdAway and V4A sound processing. Being able to have root is more important to me than Android Pay, Samsung Pay, Samsung Apps Store, and all apps that force 1 minute video ads to play before you can do anything else.
Since Samsung has decided to start locking bootloaders on all new phones they sell, eliminating the possibility to root....its time for me to switch brands and even carriers. Its been a long time coming.
My next phone in 2 months will be on Cricket. I am leaving Sprint Postpaid after 12 years and will be saving $80 a month in plan cost on the 2 phones on my account... even after 18% employer discount on my Everything Data Family 1500 plan. I dont need unlimited data anymore and Cricket has faster LTE than Sprint in my area.
I am looking at buying the Nexus 6P (or the brand new HTC Nexus model), the Motorola Z (if they make an unlocked force edition) or the new Axon 7.
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I think root is not needed for now but if note 4 is note get nougat or further updates we will need root for custom roms or add new features our phone
Hello, i just got my A3 2017. I have a few questions, i hope you can answer them.
1) Android version is Oreo 8.0, security 1. december 2018. I want to know if they fixed the bootloop and crash when you use certain wifi's. And if there is any other major fault on this android version.
2) Is there any reason to downgrade to 7.0 or 6.0.1 on this phone ? I dont care about latest version, i just want the version that works best with no problems.
3) Can i use call recorder on this phone and how ? I will not root the phone (have my reasons) and i want only official roms
4) Anything i should know about this phone to get the best experience ?
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Hello, i just got my A3 2017. I have a few questions, i hope you can answer them.
1) Android version is Oreo 8.0, security 1. december 2018. I want to know if they fixed the bootloop and crash when you use certain wifi's. And if there is any other major fault on this android version.
2) Is there any reason to downgrade to 7.0 or 6.0.1 on this phone ? I dont care about latest version, i just want the version that works best with no problems.
3) Can i use call recorder on this phone and how ? I will not root the phone (have my reasons) and i want only official roms
4) Anything i should know about this phone to get the best experience ?
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To start, yes, all issues have been fixed. Now, with these requirements you're pretty much limited to oreo as you can't downgrade to a version with an older bootlader without rooting or using a custom recovery. The oldest build you can flash is the August 2018 one since it shares the same bootloader (Version 3) with the December 2018 one. Now call recording is pretty much dependent on CSC (Country Sales Code). So unless your phone came with a CSC that allows call recording, you'd have to switch to one that does have it, otherwise you'd have to root and flash a package that unlocks all CSC specific features on your existing rom. And lastly, yeah Exynos 7870 isn't that great anymore and even though samsung keeps using it in phones, the RAM and Storage of this phone really kill it, so unless you are going to do basic tasks with frequent maintenance, this phone won't really be your cup of tea.
Thank you for your replies,
Im happy that problems have been fixed and i can remain on 8.0 with no problems. Call recording is probably off but i can live with that. As for speed, there is no worries, i mostly just use it for calls and messages and occasionaly browse a webpage and use google maps. Coming from samsung s5 mini, this should be plenty fast.
I did some testing and using lab501 web browsing simulation with wifi on and screen on normal, battery lasted a whooping 1060 minutes. Coming from s5 mini which lasted about 300 minutes, u can understand how i feel. Also i tested always on screen: in 10.5 hours battery went down 3%. I am still deciding whether to use it or not. Its also a lot faster than my s5 mini, that was basicly the main reason i upgraded phone. s5 mini was otherwise perfect, but it was really slow.
I am wondering about some camera tips. I want to get the most out of camera. How to tweak it ?
Just wanted to say so far i am very happy with my phone. It is snappy enough (obviously with disabled animations and some apps), battery is great. Camera obviously could be better but thats a compromise you have to take. I wish it was a bit smaller, i have to use it with 2 hands often. Its very slippery, i use a "condom" for it but that is also slippery, which is absolutely stupid. I ordered like 6 new "condoms" of different looks and types and hope that 1 of them will make the phone as awesome to hold as s5 mini was. Remember s5 mini back cover is basicly rubber, that phone sticks to your hand ! I have some more questions.
1) how to get the most out of the camera, what settings ?
2) is it possible to remove the back cover and replace it with a rubbery back cover, like s5 mini had ? Or maybe buy some duct tape that would be less slippery and just stick it to the phone ?
Advice & expertise needed,
Few questions & hope someone can advise, & help.
Ok, I have had a Note 10+ in the box for awhile & decided to use it, as I forgot about it, actually I thought I lost it during a move a year ago. It has no updates, no security updates & still running Android 11. I took a screenshot of current update info from software updates page in settings.
I noticed during past year updates were released to 12, & T-Mobile platform for note 10+ within last 4 months. Twas hoping I would get an ota update within last 7 weeks, as that is when I turned my device on. I'm more concerned about getting security updates then a UI 12 update. I'm on the T-Mobile platform, SM-N975U1. I took the sim card from my T-Mobile S9 Note & installed it into my UNLOCKED Note 10+ & is working on TMobile without any issues. Splash screen is still splashing the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ not T-Mobile platform if that helps with anything. When I try software updates I get the popup below in SS. Was hoping I would get an OTA update. Any ideas on how to get security updates, or Update to 12 with security? Or am I going to have to flash using SmartSwitch? Or should I just root, or too soon, as I read the note 10+ may be on the list for one or even maybe two more updates? If for sure no chance for updates I would most likely root, but what are your thoughts? I want a secure device, & I don't want to pay $1500 for a $600, then a $800, then a $1000, $1500000 for a inflatisanity device when This note 10+ running max memory, is immaculate, not a scratch & runs fantastic I'd would have been using it 1.5yrs ago if I wouldn't have lost it. Please give me (us) good news as it sleeps with me under my pillow
Thanks guys.. as I'm always grateful
BliTzer
Congratulations. The N10+ is Samsung flagship's at their zenith.
I run 2 N10+'s still loaded with 9 and 10 by choice. Updates/upgrades can and do break things. This one in my hand will be 3 yo in October. It looks and runs like new.
Current OS load is over 2 yo, security is not an issue. Anything from Pie or above is relatively secure if you don't do stupid things.
I recommend you stay on 11.
I see no great benefits to scoped storage and 12 is a mess. I prefer Android 9; more functionality with trusted 3rd party apps.
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Congratulations. The N10+ is Samsung flagship's at their zenith.
I run 2 N10+'s still loaded with 9 and 10 by choice. Updates/upgrades can and do break things. This one in my hand will be 3 yo in October. It looks and runs like new.
Current OS load is over 2 yo, security is not an issue. Anything from Pie or above is relatively secure if you don't do stupid things.
I recommend you stay on 11.
I see no great benefits to scoped storage and 12 is a mess. I prefer Android 9; more functionality with trusted 3rd party apps.
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Your the 2nd person to tell me slowly backup then run from anything above 11. Ok, well I'll stay as is. I run SD maid pro to clean & keep storage out of a mess, & I don't download anything, & don't open emails if not on contact list. I also have note 9 & a Samsung S8 which has a 570 PPI 4k capabilities truly amazing device. I wish my 50" TV looked that clean..I'm so done with LG TVs btw, huge problem with their Chinese WiFi cards, same TV with 6 cards changed out.
Thanks for the advice.. very grateful..
Later BliTzer
Try this settings mod, blocks adware globally and some blacklisted sites...
I had a scripted malicious jpeg I downloaded about 2 years ago. It damaged files in the download folder but not folders or the files in them when I opened it.
Spotted it right away and deleted it. Some files were repairable and the rest I deleted. No real damage. However if that got into my database on the SD card it wouldn't have been pretty.
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Try this settings mod, blocks adware globally and some blacklisted sites...
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I have been using Adguard for ad blocking and tracking on android and also widnows for a long time. It even blocks ads on youtube. The software is very good, but remember that it is Russian soft. Hell can see what data and where it can send it.