Mod edit: Anyone interested in Club1941 may contact the OP for further information or discussion or in the thread below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/experience-comments-club1941-t3043990
THIS THREAD HAS NOW BECOME AN APOLOGY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED BY MY REVIEW
AND FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS PURCHASED A DEVICE FROM THE SCAMMERS I NOW KNOW CLUB1941.COM TO BE
@ivivdim created a separate thread about this seller due to @OscarBlue researching the seller and finding many perculiarities about the site in question
http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/experience-comments-club1941-t3043990
after reading a thread over at china-devices.com today 05/03/2015 that a user posted about receiving just a screen protector instead of a tablet and power bank
http://www.china-devices.com/Thread-Be-careful-Club-1941-com
i have now decided to amend this thread OP with an apology for any and all people who were taken in by this scammer and made a payment to them and who now have to go through the process of a dispute with paypal or their credit card company to have their funds returned
i do not know how to apologize enough for my actions in posting my review here that made all the people go and use this site and i have decided that since i am one of the few people who received a real working device that i will host a giveaway of the device i received by way of an apology for any inconvenience caused by my actions
i have asked @OscarBlue to help me with this....and if he does not then i do not blame him as i would be very angry myself if i had read the review i posted and then made a purchase with this company only to find out that they were scammers
i thank all of the people who warned me about this potentially being a scam and am sorry i did not listen to your advice and question the companies motives myself
what i have learned from this experience is to be more vigilant before jumping in at the deep end and dragging other people with me...and to do more research before commiting myself fully into such endevours in the future
please if you are interested in joining the giveaway for this device i will post a link soon here in this thread
it will be at my expense and i will pay for all shipping anywhere in the world to deliver the device to whoever receives it
this will be done as a small way of saying sorry for any hurt i may have caused anybody by my actions
mrsim
great review
just tell me please, do you work for "cub 1941" or get pay to publish them ?
Why there is no stickers inside your phone? I mean usually there are some stickers like imei number.. hologram etc..
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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xytkhi said:
great review
just tell me please, do you work for "cub 1941" or get pay to publish them ?
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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More people already bought the devices from this store.. I guess we'll have to wait other reviews too.. but still, this site sounds too good to be true.
He is being paid to do a review. I.e. said:
thank you
now its clear to me why ,,,,
and i think that he " pushed" to give a good review because his interest too.
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TheCityAndTheStars said:
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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he know what is he talking about.
Ok but what about PayPal protection? Will club1941 get money if buyers won't get phones? I ordered phone and I'm worried now :<
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Ok but what about PayPal protection? Will club1941 get money if buyers won't get phones? I ordered phone and I'm worried now :<
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21 days after you made your payment the funds are normally released by paypal and the seller can do what he wants with the money, unless you file a dispute with paypal, then the funds, although they are in the sellers paypal account are put on hold, and the seller cannot access them until the dispute is ended, you can end the dispute at any time if you are happy with the sale, the seller can end the dispute at any time by issuing a refund. I ordered one of these phones from this seller and was suspicious of the website, so I opened a dispute and the seller issued a refund straight away, despite the fact that the seller said he had posted the phone and issued a tracking number, he had until 19th march to respond to the dispute but chose to refund instead, draw your own conclusions
Also the agent at paypal told me that if I didnt file a dispute and the sale later was found to be fraudulent I would still get my money back from paypal, although I wasnt told how long that would take, nor what evidence I would have to produce.
Edit... I have since found out that paypal only put a 21 day hold on your funds if you are dealing with a new seller, or if the seller has problems/disputes, otherwise the funds could go directly to the seller, unless you open a dispute.
aliya.dicaprio said:
Why there is no stickers inside your phone? I mean usually there are some stickers like imei number.. hologram etc..
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if you look again at the photo's of the device you will see that these are inside the back cover not behind the battery,i also explained this in my review,and yes i applied for a trial version which i paid for,if my reviews are good i will get my money returned to me,have also made enquiries for opening their eu warehouse as they are looking for a base here in europe...does that sound like scammers to you...i think not
@oscarblue48
Seems like filing a dispute is reasonable way of protecting our interests. Would you mind telling us what reason of dispute you chose and what did you write to make your statement understandable as disputing to make money freeze for more than 21 days?
I tried myself this few minutes ago but not sure what to write not to be understanded as a panicking one by PayPal service.
TheCityAndTheStars said:
Thank you for the review.
Anyway, hope that you understand that if it proves that club1941.com is a scam that many people may lose their money thanks to you and this review.
I do not have anything against you and I apologize for writting this in your topic.
I just want to advise members of this forum to be carefull and to think twice before they buy a phone significantly below current market price, esspecially from the online store that just recently has been opened.
Thank you.
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He is being paid to do a review. I.e., he will get his phone refunded if the store is satisfied with his review.
The problem may be that these trial devices may be the only devices shipped from that seler.
They are selling enourmous numbers these days at very low price of cca 170$ for a 3GB version of Jiayu S3. Maybe even lower in some cases.
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thank you for your comment on my review
also everybody is entitled to their opinion and i fully agree with you that it is better to err on the side of caution...there are a lot of scammers out there i am glad that you are warning people let's just hope that they all are using paypal to purchase their devices as this is a 'safe' way of doing buisness on the internet
i myself paid with paypal and it all went very smoothly
i read over in s7ylers thread that some people had problems and were offered the chance to pay with western union...never ever pay with western union as there is no option to get your money returned to you if you do get scammed
i suppose only time will tell if this shop is legitimate or not...but me personally...i received a working fully functional Jiayu S3S which has passed the MTK droid tools test...i cannot speak for other people,but i sincerely hope that everybody gets their correct device in good time and for the same price i paid for it
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Are u sure he is being paid for that?
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i am sure i have already received an email from Club1941.Com advising me of returning my payment for the review...so my payment is the device for taking the time to help their sales by making the above review
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@oscarblue48
Seems like filing a dispute is reasonable way of protecting our interests. Would you mind telling us what reason of dispute you chose and what did you write to make your statement understandable as disputing to make money freeze for more than 21 days?
I tried myself this few minutes ago but not sure what to write not to be understanded as a panicking one by PayPal service.
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I used the grounds that the item had not been received (even though it had only been ordered a matter of hours) and in the message box I just wrote, I do not believe the sellers website to be genuine. and then I think you are given a date that the seller has to respond by, in my case 19 march, i believe if you need to extend the dispute beyond that date, you have to escalate the dispute before that date is reached, I'm not entirely sure about that as I didnt get that far, as I got my refund right away.
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21 days after you made your payment the funds are normally released by paypal and the seller can do what he wants with the money, unless you file a dispute with paypal, then the funds, although they are in the sellers paypal account are put on hold, and the seller cannot access them until the dispute is ended, you can end the dispute at any time if you are happy with the sale, the seller can end the dispute at any time by issuing a refund. I ordered one of these phones from this seller and was suspicious of the website, so I opened a dispute and the seller issued a refund straight away, despite the fact that the seller said he had posted the phone and issued a tracking number, he had until 19th march to respond to the dispute but chose to refund instead, draw your own conclusions
Also the agent at paypal told me that if I didnt file a dispute and the sale later was found to be fraudulent I would still get my money back from paypal, although I wasnt told how long that would take, nor what evidence I would have to produce.
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i cannot speak for the seller on their reasons for why they instantly refunded you your money,but you are correct in that paypal WILL refund your money if you do not receive the device or if it appears to be fake,the evidence would be the paypal payment that you made,tracking number given to you by the seller,and also any email interaction between the two of you so my advice would be to contact the seller and strike up a conversation talking about the device and delivery method,and payment,also a screen shot of your account details with the item in question from the seller would also be good
these will all contribute to you receiving your payment back from paypal...hope this helps.....
edit: forgot to mention connect the device to mtk droid tools either record this from receipt of the item at your door till the spec info pops up on droid tools or just take a screen shot
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i am sure i have already received an email from Club1941.Com advising me of returning my payment for the review...so my payment is the device for taking the time to help their sales by making the above review
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Congratulations mrsim, you have done well, if you google 'club1941.com review' you come top of the pile, you know why? because you are the only person who has ever received anything from that site, They must have thousands of orders by now, but they're still sending them out, must have massive stocks I guess, odd how some of the other suppliers seem to be having difficulty obtaining this device, must be their massive buying power, as a worldwide Wholesale/retail outlet, with years of growth behind them(from their 'about us ' page) just google the name and you'll get some idea of their history, except it only goes back to January of this year, never mind, check out the glowing reviews for the 600 odd items for sale on the site, strange the only items with reviews are the Jiayu S3 2 and 3gb versions, oh and they dont seem to be proper reviews either, never mind I'm sure it'll be ok, at least you can claim your money back from paypal.
there's none so blind as those who will not see
Congratulations oscarblue48. You got your money back. what was the dispute you had again please ? What would Paypal do if they did'nt have people like you ?
Surely this seller has done nothing wrong yet so why not give him a chance ? Its not thousands of phones anyway judging by his order numbers its more like 30-40 per day. Also his address is Shenzen so maybe his brother or wife works in Jiayu or there could be thousands of reasons why he has access to phones. fact is the S3advanced has been released and reason most of Aliexpress sellers havent got them yet is they are not yet back to work after New Year.
BTW thanks Mrsim for another great review for what is obviously a great phone.
Oh the only connection to Club1949 I have is I got a tracking no for my purchase S3 advanced from both Paypal and club1949 so no dispute until I have something to dispute about.
Geting a bit feisty in here...is there some 'history' that I am not aware of as a newcomer? At the very least this can be a thread about club1941.com so the main thread can be left to the actual phone.
Yes it seems silly cheap, but there is still that PayPal safety net, which you don't have at dhgate etc. It reminds me of a site called mionbuy.com -cheaper than all the others I could see BUT no PayPal which is why I didn't buy from there. I still cannot see why they would offer PayPal knowing that if everyone complains(which they will in the event of a scam) they won't see any money. Unless they have found a way to defraud people via PayPal-does anyone know if this can be done ?
So who is sticking with it and who is baling?
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And more to the point, instead of pointing out a site is too cheap , why not scrutinise somewhere like efox which effectively rips people off by simply erasing $, then printing €, and THEN they have the barefaced cheek to charge for shipping! Then you might have no choice to buy an sd card! And people buy from there! Mindboggling.
seems like a pretty honest review to me so well done for scoring a free phone! I'm not bailing just yet as surely we are protected by paypal aren't we?
was surprised to see there is no led notification as thought that was pretty standard these days and also disappointed about the poor camera(expected better) and not so good twin speakers as I chose this phone partly because having 2 speakers must be better than just one! maybe I will bail and change my order to the ecoo aurora also with twin speakers but mounted on the bottom bezel not the rear so should project the sound slightly better, might save another $10 as well
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Hi,
I've come across individuals who are selling the xda-unlock software on eBay, for personal profit I assume.
I think this is ethically wrong.
Is anyone on the xda-developers forum aware of this?
I am posting this message in the hope that those who agree that this activity of stealing from those developing the software, will e-mail the person (see below) to tell him that what he is doing is wrong and should stop immediately.
Noteyou may have to copy and paste the following hyper-links into your browser's address field for them to work)
See;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=69929&item=5206235467
I tracked the perpetuator down and confronted him with this breach. His response was pretty much "Go away! I can do what I want" The sad thing is, the person has no idea about the software he's selling and is misleading people by telling them that one version (which he has) is suitable for all PDA's.
Here's his e-mail address.
[email protected] , with which he accpets Paypal payments on-line.
And this is his profile on eBay:
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=mrtrader888&iid=5206235467&frm=284
The odd, brave, eBay traders are complaining about this in the Feedback facility but the feedback system isn't perfect.
See:-
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayI...val=&page=2&frompage=-1&iid=5206235467&de=off
I hope everyone who appreciates xda-developers.com 's efforts will help stop this person from making money out of their efforts by telling them by e-mail how they feel about it.
technologyfusion.
The only way to deal with this kind of issue is to post an ad every day offering the software for free and directing the people to this site, that way nobody buys from the seller and there is a chance that those directed to the site may donate once they unlock and or upgrade their phone.
The other option is to email every bidder with the details.
I am not a vindictive person, generally, but that email is just begging for about 10,000 newsletters per day. I always believed that educating people is far more effective than punishing them. I think Daily Dumb Question will be a good start for him to explore.
I don't mind people reselling free tools. at the moment they take advantage of poor advertising of our tool.
I now created a wiki page for it, so it will become easier to find for people.
when it rises in google's index, it should become easier to find.
willem
If you're an eBay user, you can send private email to the bidders, warning them that what they are bidding on is available for free. They might not like finding it out after they've already bid, but they will probably appreciate knowing that they shouldn't pay any more for it, and that they can get it right away off the internet. (And if they don't mind a stain on their eBay record for 6 months, they can cancel their bid if it's not too late.)
But surely before bidding on eBay, they should have done their homework. A simple Google search would have found it.
Technically eBay could get you for "bid interference" or some such thing if you emailed users like that, but that won't happen unless they turn around and report you. Be careful, though: in several cases before, when I've given advice to bidders about a bad or misleading piece of merchandise, they've mistaken me for the seller and chewed me out!!! So I don't generally do this unless I'm prepared for an angry response. And I won't go out of my way to do it -- I'll just do it if, say, I was searching for something similar on eBay, and I stumbled across someone's unfortunate bid. ("Think I should warn them? Nah. No good deed goes unpunished.")
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I have to complain about this site selling add space to Digigasin. This guy operates out of his apartment. I know because I found it. He took my money through PayPal and never did deliver the order. It has been past 45 days so PayPal won't do anything about it. They told me to go to the police. Digigasin will not reply to my emails and the phone number is just an answering machine. Don't buy anything from Digigasin, you'll be sorry.
I repeat, this site should not let him advertise here!
This site is not selling ads space to Digigasin, it has Google Adsense on it, and Digigasin has payed google to advertise. The ads are placed based on keywords found on the page you're looking and on local information (if you're from switzerland you get more swiss ad's).
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This site is not selling ads space to Digigasin, it has Google Adsense on it, and Digigasin has payed google to advertise. The ads are placed based on keywords found on the page you're looking and on local information (if you're from switzerland you get more swiss ad's).
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I figured it was something like that. I guess I'm just venting...he took 189. Swiss francs from me. It is the first time I've been ripped off on the Internet and it doesn't feel good. I just wanted to warn others about this guy. His business is not professional at all, I know because I went there...nobody home either.
im a webmaster that uses google adsense and you can request specific ads not to be displayed, perhaps xda-devs could do that?
Well I am in Switzerland and the only add that I see at the moment is from Digigasin, change section, same add, go to wiki, same add.
So can't miss him. Looks like Google does not have many customers over here.
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Well I am in Switzerland and the only add that I see at the moment is from Digigasin, change section, same add, go to wiki, same add.
So can't miss him. Looks like Google does not have many customers over here.
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I wrote a letter to toppreise.ch where he advertises as well. It has been an eye opening experience. I did my research and still got ripped off. I'm going back to my old criteria, never let a an outstanding order go over the credit card/PayPal dispute period. My Platinum card would have snatched that money back if I hadn't waited so long. My excuse is the holiday season...live and learn.
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im a webmaster that uses google adsense and you can request specific ads not to be displayed, perhaps xda-devs could do that?
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Yes, why can't you stop this guy. This is really a matter of fraud. One of the reasons that I took a chance on him is because I saw his adds here.
Hello,
I am the webmaster of Digigasin and I must tell you I am highly shocked about what Matterhorn said. I am no crook ! I sometimes forget to reply to mails, that's true, and sometimes deliveries take time ! But one again, I am no crook !!
Whatever the problem is about (and I really don't know what it is about...), this customer will be refunded. My reputation is of value. I've just written an email to this member to have an explanation....
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Hello,
I am the webmaster of Digigasin and I must tell you I am highly shocked about what Matterhorn said. I am no crook ! I sometimes forget to reply to mails, that's true, and sometimes deliveries take time ! But one again, I am no crook !!
Whatever the problem is about (and I really don't know what it is about...), this customer will be refunded. My reputation is of value. I've just written an email to this member to have an explanation....
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Besides, when a customer buys something with Paypal, he can write to Paypal and the money is immediately taken off my account, therefore the customer is refunded!
So what Matterhorn says is untrue. He certainly bought something in my Shop and the delivery period was certainly long. It is true that it's hard to reach me by phone and maybe I did not see one of his emails..but if he wrote more than one, I don't see how I could not have seen them and give a prompt reply !
seb1003 said:
Hello,
I am the webmaster of Digigasin and I must tell you I am highly shocked about what Matterhorn said. I am no crook ! I sometimes forget to reply to mails, that's true, and sometimes deliveries take time ! But one again, I am no crook !!
Whatever the problem is about (and I really don't know what it is about...), this customer will be refunded. My reputation is of value. I've just written an email to this member to have an explanation....
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Digigasin,
You don't run a business by "forgetting" to answer emails. I placed the order on November 14, 2006, yes that is a long time. I'll reply to you privately as I already have 5 times between Nov. 24, 2006 and Jan 11, 2007. Maybe this time you will respond.
seb1003 said:
Besides, when a customer buys something with Paypal, he can write to Paypal and the money is immediately taken off my account, therefore the customer is refunded!
So what Matterhorn says is untrue. He certainly bought something in my Shop and the delivery period was certainly long. It is true that it's hard to reach me by phone and maybe I did not see one of his emails..but if he wrote more than one, I don't see how I could not have seen them and give a prompt reply !
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No, you are wrong, what Matterhorn says is completely true. I sent you 5 emails and a voice mail trying to clear this order up and you didn't respond (I have all the records). I called PayPal to find out what to do and they said that because you strung the whole thing out for more than 45 days, that I would have to go to the police in Lausanne since it was past their time period for recourse. That is the honest to god truth.
Don't call me a liar Mr. You are the one that has not done the proper thing in this whole transaction. You took my money when I placed the order and that is the last I heard from you. Now I am taking this affair offline to a private discussion with you, unless you continue to refuse to respond to my emails.
So if you want to preserve any reputation, let's take this matter to private correspondence, or better yet, just refund my CHF189. and I'd be able to say so here and other forums that you did the right thing.
As I promised, I am confirming resolution of this issue. Digigasin has refunded the funds from my order plus some extra compensation. Thank you for the refund.
Still, I think this guy is not doing a good job. Wonder what happen to your $$ if you were not to make noises here.
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Still, I think this guy is not doing a good job. Wonder what happen to your $$ if you were not to make noises here.
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That is a good question...
that was the best story i've ever heard.
hah.
Dusvdaw
You dug really deep to get that story out almost 13 months later. Woow.
Now i feel cheated!
I feel like i have just watched a realy awful film. one where you have decided you wont like it when it starts, but its that bad that you end up watching all of it.
I was actually half way through the thread when i realise this post is from 2006/2007, but i had already read most of it, so, i had to read the rest to see how it ended........... totaly as expected.
Now i feel silly..........
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I feel like i have just watched a realy awful film. one where you have decided you wont like it when it starts, but its that bad that you end up watching all of it.
I was actually half way through the thread when i realise this post is from 2006/2007, but i had already read most of it, so, i had to read the rest to see how it ended........... totaly as expected.
Now i feel silly..........
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Yea, but re-runs are good too, cause you never know how they will end this time. LOL.
Actually, I feel really stupid, cause I read the whole thread and didn't even notice the dates till I read your post. What a day!
Please see the full thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=735830
But this sums up where this project is at:
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ok guys.. some bad news.. Talked with Matt2 on a business level and after i went over some figures with him, my calculations were so far off.. i should be on mars..
The break even point for this project is 275+/- 10/12 extras.
I have been saying 150 and I am not sure where I got that unless I was not calculating the shipping since I did free shipping.
We are at 129 at the time of writing this.
So here is my question, I have always said, I will refund if we stop this without it being made. We had over 350+ that wanted this.
My initial thought was to spend the several hours tonight to just cancel/refund.. but then I figured we came this far. I also go on vacation Sept 10-18.
So what I propose, today is the 11th of August. Lets give it till the 25th of August. 2 Weeks... If we are not even close, then I will spend the next 2 days refunding..
So listen.. if anyone out there wants this.. buy it now.. or it will not get made.. To all of those that did buy.. sorry its taking so long, your money is safe. I am not out to steal anything, I just want the door to be made.
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Joe
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Thats crazy man but just like your saying, i actually am one of the dudes who said he was going to order one and i havent been on XDA in awhile, sorry i didnt see the thread but ill put an order in for one now. Best of luck, i hope we make it.
I'm sure though that if you made 275 you wouldn't have any problem at all selling them, both on here and on ebay. I'm surprised you have as many preorders as you do, considering you don't have a product to ship.
I just ordered mine. Can't wait to see it!
sketchy sketchy
yea dont forget about all the people not on xda or the other forums your doing this on. if you get close enough where you can afford to invest a little, do it and sell the rest after they are made.
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STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
Would raising the price of each one by a couple of bucks per door get them to the target without needing more preorders?
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STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
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I am not sure of the numbers. I dont mind investing my own $ into it.. But I am just trying to get alot closer to that break even point.. If I sell more after, thats great but tbh, I am doing this as a community buy... not trying to get rich (not that I think that is even possible)
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Would raising the price of each one by a couple of bucks per door get them to the target without needing more preorders?
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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no, either of those would help but still not enough. thanks for the offer though
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Or not giving us the multiple discount id give the 2$ back if need be...
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Yeah, I would love to have these, even if it does mean I sacrifice 2$
Joey, if you don't mind disclosing, how much money down you need to get these produced?
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Yeah, I would love to have these, even if it does mean I sacrifice 2$
Joey, if you don't mind disclosing, how much money down you need to get these produced?
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14.99 * 275 = X
115 sold * 14.99 = Y
X-Y = what is left
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14.99 * 275 = X
115 sold * 14.99 = Y
X-Y = what is left
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So is "X" literally "Breaking Even" for you guys?
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STFU! GET OFF THE BOARDS!
go back in the hairy little hole you crawled out of.
Joey has been upfront with all of us following this project from the start. He is human like the rest of us. first time he has done something like this and im sure he now knows to "measure twice cut once" always check the numbers and check them again to be sure... so we will wait it out and see what happens not a big deal!
We didnt even know if it was going to make production after the first couple days because so many VOTED YES TO THE PROJECT AND THEN DISAPPEARED when it came time to pony up for the pre-order. If people would have kept their word about ordering they would be in production already!
Joey....how many people actually place an order of the 359 that originally voted yes?
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whoa there man, little crazy of a response dont you think. i am entitled to my opinion that this is sketchy. if you dont agree fine, but personal unprovoked attack is a bit much dont you think?
If you would have followed for the past month + you would see this is not sketchy.. I have kept everyone updated the entire time... And how can a complete refund be sketchy?
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whoa there man, little crazy of a response dont you think. i am entitled to my opinion that this is sketchy. if you dont agree fine, but personal unprovoked attack is a bit much dont you think?
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Calling someone sketchy is a personal attack.... joey has been upfront with us every step of the way...I only gave you some of your own medicine. That's all nothing more..
It aggravating when you watch someone work their ass off for the community on a project and have half of the people disappear who were supposed to order, then have you call this guy sketchy when hes done nothing but try to make us happy by seeing this project through any way he can... nobody else even came close to a comment like yours.
I followed the thread, saw all the updates, saw members commit money with delay after delay. I understand **** takes time but every post was "here is a final prototype but yours wont look like this" point is, promising something, taking peoples money, then GOING ON VACATION to wait it out IS sketchy whether you can admit it on not. You seem to have a serious personal stake in this or with the op but from an outside perspective it IS sketchy. If the op falls through and refunds everyones money then fine, that doesn't mean the situation was any less sketchy.
You say it wasn't sketchy because he kept everyone up to date, guess what, so do Nigerien scammers. Him keeping everyone updated is not a fool proof reassurance.
Sorry bro. Been holding out until I could see the finished product. Went ahead and ordered because I really want one. Thanks for the time an effort. Will tell my buddies with evos.
If you don't want one, don't send him money and leave the thread. I don't see how hard that is. And it's not that hard to get money back through paypal.
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I followed the thread, saw all the updates, saw members commit money with delay after delay. I understand **** takes time but every post was "here is a final prototype but yours wont look like this" point is, promising something, taking peoples money, then GOING ON VACATION to wait it out IS sketchy whether you can admit it on not. You seem to have a serious personal stake in this or with the op but from an outside perspective it IS sketchy. If the op falls through and refunds everyones money then fine, that doesn't mean the situation was any less sketchy.
You say it wasn't sketchy because he kept everyone up to date, guess what, so do Nigerien scammers. Him keeping everyone updated is not a fool proof reassurance.
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This will be my last reply to you...
This was not a person that had one post and decided to start asking for peoples money..before this went to pre-order he told us of his VACATION and possible delivery dates. I have been involved with community generated projects in the past and they all involved a pre-order because these types of projects are not cheap to get started and not done to make an initial profit, they are to help get something made the community wants and doesn't exist, once the community is taken care of then you try to make money from the project by exploring different ways to market said item at a significantly higher price. He is not a prince from Nigeria sending unsolicited emails trying to get my bank info so that comparison was completely stupid AND HE IS USING PAYPAL! Wait did I mention PAYPAL! Nobody had to western union him cash or transfer cash into his account, so we feel very confident because at the end of the day if this doesn't get to production we WILL ALL GET OUR MONEY BACK BECAUSE HE USED PAYPAL! Easy for him to refund our money and has buyer protection. My personal stake in this -- I want a unique clear and colored battery door for my evo, made in the USA sold in the USA by someone in the community who actually followed thru! Joey took a poll to see how many people would buy one and it was more than enough for this project to move forward! It is not his fault that some people are not doing their part of the project and pre-ordering to get these to production.
Like I said this is my last response to you regarding this thread...you are officially on my ignore list.
Hi everybody!
Recently I've spoke with Cotulla and he agreed to try to hack Samsung handsets to create a custom ROM. I think it's a GREAT NEWS! The only one cons - Cotulla don't have any Samsung handset. So, I've decide to collect money to buy used Samsung handsets on ebay and send 'em to Cotulla.
I've checked price for used Samsung handsets on ebay and got about $160-180 for used Focus and $260-270 for Omnia (Cotulla asked for two different handsets - I beleive he knows what he needs!). EMS shipping will costs about $60.
The agenda is:
collect $550 using ChipIn service;
buy two Samsung's handets, Focus and Omnia;
send these phones to Cotulla via EMS or FedEx;
rest will be donated to Cotulla;
All money flow will be open and clear; I'll post a receipt scans and periodically will report progress (ChipIn service is already open and clear).
The backup plan (if we can't collect desired amount during month) is:
if we'll have money for one Focus, I'll send Focus only to Cotulla. If not, collected money will be donated to Cotulla.
I hope the xda already has at least 50-100 generous Samsung handsets owners who want to get a "ROM freedom", so
WBR, SeNS
P.S. Just tried to make a first donation by myself but I can't because ChipIn is wired to my PayPal account BTW, I'll donate anyway!
P.P.S. Project finished, will publish project's statement later.
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P.P.P.S. Project's financial report:
HTML:
Total donated: $161.00 (13 contributors)
Cash collected: $151.19 ($10 - PayPal fees)
Samsung Focus: $163.61 (bought on ebay, price with S&H + MA tax)
Shipping to Cotulla: $ 11.39
Grand total: $175.00
(my donation) $ 23.81
Maybe I'm missing something, but why not ask the seller to send the phone directly to Cotulla? Oh, I see he is from Russia... maybe you can get someone to buy and send a phone from Germany to him? It's about 200 Euro in Germany, brand new. Maybe ebay.de will find you something cheaper even.
Yes, we talked in XDA PM with sensboston about ability for DFT team try to "unlock" Samsung devices for custom ROMs
Usually we working only with HTC devices, but why not try new?
Actually, We need few days to do static analysis on Samsung ROMs to finally confirm that DFT take this project. (Maybe Samsung devices are too strongly secured so it can become very hard work )
something in case you didnt know yet.
just Omnia7 Sales are already above 5,000 at Taobao a month in China.
so large Samsung handsets owners...
Charging Paypal via Alipay we usually used is inconvenient.
ChipIn. More difficult ..for chinese . i think..
from wpxap.com
I will donate next month something.
Personally I own a Samsung Omnia 7 and its a pretty beautiful device, but what will happen with Custom Roms?
It would be simple fing awesome.
I owned the Xperia X1 with Custom Roms and the Samsung Omnia itself.
DFT you're making a awesome job for the community.
I'm looking forward for your Samsung roms.
I'd donate if they it was for CDMA based models (I dont have a Samsung phone a HTC but, a CDMA one). THey don't touch CDMA because they dont have phones and that's with HTC..
Verizon Trophy and the Sprint Arrive is what I am talking about...
Good luck on the quest...maybe someone will start one for us...
Edit: Maybe a few people have some used ones for sale, sending them 2 used ones over 1 new one would be more usefull on testing (incase they brick one in testing), Just a thought to help. As long as the phones work, are in good shape and are not blacklisted it should be fine for testing....Unless they said they only will take new ones for donation.
Just a thought....
I'm afraid we collect nothing at this rate
C'mon guys, don't be so cheap! I'm expecting xda members not a children/teens only with mom's birthday gift - fancy expensive handset...
As for adults - donating $5 - $10 is nothing, you've spent much more to pay your monthly bill or even usual tips to waiter in restaurant!
Lets appreciate Cotulla's hard work for community, don't be cheap!
yeeah and after Samsung only LG is missing ,waiting for DFT LG roms ^^ Are there som plans or have LG users no Luck ?
And Cotulla/DFT you re bringing back the wm feeling with your roms
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LG e900 MFG Unlocked Mango Beta2
In ebay germany there some used focus/omnia sold for under 200 Euros , maybe it helps
I just donated $5 ( 0BD3303884807972L.) Hope this help.
Donation (02Y31667V9120770N) sent, even I dont have a Samsung device.
However, the idea is great, since I always happy to have a HSPL and I think
that this other can claim.
It is a very hard working and should be rewarded.
Thanks for everybody who's already donated!
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However, the idea is great...
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Actually, it's not a my original idea: we collected money same way for Sony Reader hack on http://www.the-ebook.org and on the http://www.mobileread.com/
(with only one difference: we collected half of the total goal at the first day )
Hi, my donation is 20$, id 0L114908UE544863L
Hope this will help
BTW, do we have moderator here? I've asked ~~Tito~~ to pin this thread to the top but he didn't reply (probably, on vacation). We need to keep thread on top.
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BTW, do we have moderator here? I've asked ~~Tito~~ to pin this thread to the top but he didn't reply (probably, on vacation). We need to keep thread on top.
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We are aware of your request. Please be patient.
WB
just chipin
$20.00 Receipt ID 0cccf4ef483a56bc
hope this help.
best regards
HP
Pushing up.
Up. C'mon guys, we need another $100 - at least for one Focus for Cotulla!
Up again. Let's collect money at least for one Samsung Focus (will cost about $200 with shipping to Cotulla), developer can't do a hack without real hardware. Please, donate!
P.S. Sorry, guys, for reposting, but forum moderators are ignoring my requests to pin this topic to the top for a month Also it moved here, to "General" but seems like people here don't know Cotulla (and didn't appreciate his outstanding job!) and not interested in custom ROM's Most topics about how good/bad WP7 is, complete blah-blah-blah... But (I believe) with custom ROM's WP7 can beat Android/i-fancy-Phone etc.
20 bucks from my side (fdf5840e5b297852).
Keep the good work up guys
15 from me. Thanks for HSPL for HTC HD7.
Since indiegogo apparently thought the best way to dodge accountability was to poof the entire campaign on their site, I figure a thread here is warranted. Please post if you never received your door as well. I'm rather curious what percentage of his orders actually did get filled.
As for myself I emailed indiegogo and PayPal and neither seem to be inclined to take much action to actually get anyone's money back. Perhaps if there's enough of us an action can be forced. I really don't like the idea of letting this slide
Having received the email explanation today about the doors, I made the thread title more hospitable. I already went and grabbed another door from Gruber which I'm happy with though, so will be requesting a refund myself. How that turns out will decide how I feel about this.
Yeah same boat here. Not exactly thrilled that my attempts to contact both through the indigogo site and to 0Mie himself on xda have gone unanswered. I contributed I think about the 8th of March, and not long after that would have been the last email update I received from him about progress and dispatch updates.
Wow - I came here just to post this thread...
Never received the battery door, and PayPal closed the dispute because the transaction was more than 45 days old... That'll teach you to give the benefit of the doubt to the person. Did ANYONE receive a door? The contribution level got up to ~$7,000... He had a website up for a few days, but it looks like the domain is no longer registered to him -- Who-Is registry.
Does anyone know who this guy is? I found that Indiegogo thread here on XDA...
Wow ...I guess he was on some news sites as well ...damn ..
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Well - looks like we're SOL --
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He took my $65 contribution for a battery cover and spare battery, as well as many others' contributions and disappeared. The last I heard from him was over a month ago. He sent out an email saying some of the covers were done and that he was working on others and if anyone needed to get a hold of him to contact him through his site. (andetch.com)
As of a week or so ago, the site is no longer active, indiegogo and paypal have pretty much told all of us we're SOL, and people who were told their doors "were shipped" never received them. Both of the sites he operates from have been taken down and no one can contact him on his Google+ page either. I would never talk negatively on someone without good reason and I'm not sure if maybe he had something come up and couldn't follow through with the project but any type of response or refund would be nice. Here's the original project page with comments from many other unhappy contributors. http://www.indiegogo.com/Galaxy-Nexus-Laser-Etched-Doors?c=comments
It's very awesome how Gruverdesigns is helping all of us out. Dealing with them has been a great pleasure thus far. They actually respond to messages.
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I hope this guy goes to hell, seriously... I was one of the first people that contributed when I saw his campaign and even helped promote it a little bit. I feel betrayed and it makes it even worse that I helped promote this liar.
And I'm in the same boat, haven't received any updates, emails, or battery door yet.
Still had his google plus page from early in the campaign. This is what convinced me he is dodging rather than just MIA for some real reason. The plus page has been unused a while, but there's a tweet a few days back, and we're adding stuff to our 'wish list' on april 10th...which is after my 2nd polite email inquiry about what the status of the campaign is...
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101578908305271892137/about
http://twitter.com/#!/0mie
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/2C15TYE9IM063/ref=cm_sw_su_w
The whole thing seems so weird though, the guy has been active for 2 years with that name and done other stuff, no real reason to burn people now.
he was on all the big sites , someone tell these sites
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/14/interested-in-a-custom-laser-etched-galaxy-nexus-back-cover-check-out-this-kickstarter/
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/14/interested-in-a-custom-laser-etched-galaxy-nexus-back-cover-check-out-this-kickstarter/
Somebody file something with FBI. Worth a try. $7000 is probably a felony charge.
let it be.
Did anyone else receive this email on 4/9/2012?
[email protected] said:
Looks like my auto-reply away message didn’t get setup up properly, my family was in town from San Diego last week and I hadn’t seen them in almost a year. I was spending time with them. I am getting some orders ready to ship now, I have yours ready to be etched. That will probably happen tomorrow. Sorry for the delay, I now have to reply to about 100 new emails.
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My PM box was probably full, I will check it out when I get home. I am spending time with the family, I haven't seen them in almost a year. Which design did you get again?
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I had spoken to him about a month ago. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but that was last email I received from him. I even got a stamp.com tracking email a week after he met the minimum requirement but never received anything number never even updated.
I donated back when the funding was only $30
I still haven't received my door....welp
I received mine. I ordered it on March 12th via his website (they day before I ordered the Google limited from ebay) and they both came in on the 31st. I had to contact him via an xda pm after a week of not hearing anything about the shipping though, but I eventually got it. I think he said he got swamped with orders plus was busy at work so he got delayed getting the orders out.
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I received mine. I ordered it on March 12th via his website (they day before I ordered the Google limited from ebay) and they both came in on the 31st. I had to contact him via an xda pm after a week of not hearing anything about the shipping though, but I eventually got it. I think he said he got swamped with orders plus was busy at work so he got delayed getting the orders out.
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Considering the amount of received vs not received, I doubt it's just a "I got really busy" scenario...
The lack of communication is also troubling...
Oh I totally agree. Especially when in the first pm I included my Google checkout order number and his reply back was "did you order GSM or cdma version". Ugh really? That's why I included the order number
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I paid for my gsm door plus international shipping early on and got a couple emails early on but nothing for ages. No door yet. I have given up on ever getting it...
I would love to be able to take back the other post I made in the other thread. He was nothing less than great to speak with at the beginning of the campaign. I'm definitely frustrated at this point though. No responses to emails or inquiries just seems too suspicious. There's also the matter of his sites now being inactive. If I end up getting a response, a refund, or what I paid for I'll be more than happy to delete the posts I've made.
I think we'd all love to give the benefit of the doubt, but the ball is very much in his court to respond and he isn't at all.
His profile shows activity on xda after this thread began yesterday. If there's an explanation, we're listening.
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I would love to be able to take back the other post I made in the other thread. He was nothing less than great to speak with at the beginning of the campaign. I'm definitely frustrated at this point though. No responses to emails or inquiries just seems too suspicious. There's also the matter of his sites now being inactive. If I end up getting a response, a refund, or what I paid for I'll be more than happy to delete the posts I've made.
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Exactly - I think the majority of us understand that life gets in the way, and it's not always possible to finish what you start -- but a refund is at least needed. As it stands now, he stole the money.
Found a google profile for his website but like everything else there hasn't been any activity since mid March.
https://plus.google.com/app/plus/mp/988/#~loop:a=g:-4726536214375572952&view=profile
Seems like this is the only site he's been "active" on.