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Sorry for being retarded, but I can't find anything about multi window feature in custom ROMs long feature list. I hate those useless feature with plenty of S, so I am looking for a vanilla ROM with:
1. Multi window feature
2. Change display mode from standard to natural,
3. S-Note
That is all. I don't need any fancy colorize or anything like samsung accounts, or smartstay, etc. Only a fast and stable phone to work with.
As for S-Note, if I can get its replacement so that I can write anything pretty quick, I can live with that.
Any suggestion which ROM does that? Or every ROM basically has those options without mention it?
Thank you
prd00 said:
Sorry for being retarded, but I can't find anything about multi window feature in custom ROMs long feature list. I hate those useless feature with plenty of S, so I am looking for a vanilla ROM with:
1. Multi window feature
2. Change display mode from standard to natural,
3. S-Note
That is all. I don't need any fancy colorize or anything. Only a fast and stable phone to work with.
Any suggestion which ROM does that? Or every ROM basically has those options without mention it?
Thank you
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I don't think you can get Vanilla ROM with TW features. But you can get Vanilla "look". May this is the ROM you are looking for
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...s.com/showthread.php?t=2134099&highlight=aosp
As for bloatware by samsung, you can easily delete them from system apps. That's one of the benefits of rooting your phone.
praveen22 said:
I don't think you can get Vanilla ROM with TW features. But you can get Vanilla "look". May this is the ROM you are looking for
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...s.com/showthread.php?t=2134099&highlight=aosp
As for bloatware by samsung, you can easily delete them from system apps. That's one of the benefits of rooting your phone.
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Thanks.. I will take a look at it.
What I meant was a lean ROM, that doesn't useless feature packed. I don't want fancy features like SmartStay or something like that, but I need that multiwindow and S-Note, or if I can get SNote replacement. Something that I can write pretty quick when I need to.
prd00 said:
Thanks.. I will take a look at it.
What I meant was a lean ROM, that doesn't useless feature packed. I don't want fancy features like SmartStay or something like that, but I need that multiwindow and S-Note, or if I can get SNote replacement. Something that I can write pretty quick when I need to.
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If that's the case, try a ROM with floating multi window, I haven't tried one though. Awesome Notes HD is a great app. You can pin in on your notification drawer to get quick access to it. I don't use S-Note for most of my notes, its slow, if not laggy.
I use Android Revolution. Looks like the stock Samsung ROM, only it has a lot of bloat removed, and is quicker.
Phoenix ROM
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prd00 said:
Sorry for being retarded, but I can't find anything about multi window feature in custom ROMs long feature list. I hate those useless feature with plenty of S, so I am looking for a vanilla ROM with:
1. Multi window feature
2. Change display mode from standard to natural,
3. S-Note
That is all. I don't need any fancy colorize or anything like samsung accounts, or smartstay, etc. Only a fast and stable phone to work with.
As for S-Note, if I can get its replacement so that I can write anything pretty quick, I can live with that.
Any suggestion which ROM does that? Or every ROM basically has those options without mention it?
Thank you
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Multiwindow feature and S Note are both dependent on touchwiz frameworks. At the moment it is next to impossible to get them on AOSP/CM based roms. Also there are no other alternatives that are as good as Multiwindow at the moment, floating window apps dont even come close and are very limited. My suggestion to you is to download one of these sammy based roms particularly ARHD and use titanium backup app to freeze all the unwanted S apps.
Install android revolution rom... its fast and with out bloatware. U can top it up with simplistic framework if needed
There are too many roms and you will really get confused. Try one and see whats missing and find that one in another rom and install it.:good:
Alliance rom v3. Very polished, average of 30 of usage with 6 hours of screen time.
T.G.A said:
Install android revolution rom... its fast and with out bloatware. U can top it up with simplistic framework if needed
There are too many roms and you will really get confused. Try one and see whats missing and find that one in another rom and install it.:good:
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LOL.. that's the problem. I've found too many ROMs, some claims it's stable, but other claims that it is not. I am looking a stable one, and I am not that fans of features and gimmicks. I don't even use sammy's keyboard. I can't part with swiftkey. I also have my own personal favorite apps from contacts, sms, radio, and many things, and I prefer to use those instead of bundled ones.
praveen22 said:
If that's the case, try a ROM with floating multi window, I haven't tried one though. Awesome Notes HD is a great app. You can pin in on your notification drawer to get quick access to it. I don't use S-Note for most of my notes, its slow, if not laggy.
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LOL.. ok.. SNote is dead.. I'll freeze that. I know awesome note, but AFAIK, there was no android version. Thanks for the pointer.
bushako said:
Multiwindow feature and S Note are both dependent on touchwiz frameworks. At the moment it is next to impossible to get them on AOSP/CM based roms. Also there are no other alternatives that are as good as Multiwindow at the moment, floating window apps dont even come close and are very limited. My suggestion to you is to download one of these sammy based roms particularly ARHD and use titanium backup app to freeze all the unwanted S apps.
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I haven't tried floating window yet.. but I'll try Android Revolution. Last time I freezed unused apps from sammy's stock rom, mine was plagued with too many FC. LOL. Perhaps I freezed too much.
Is Android Revolution stable?
xartic12 said:
Alliance rom v3. Very polished, average of 30 of usage with 6 hours of screen time.
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Is it stable? everything runs fine? No FC?
McLaren__F1 said:
Phoenix ROM
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Same question, is it stable?
Menchelke said:
I use Android Revolution. Looks like the stock Samsung ROM, only it has a lot of bloat removed, and is quicker.
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Seems you are third person to recommend Android Revolution HD, so I'll give it a try.
prd00 said:
LOL.. that's the problem. I've found too many ROMs, some claims it's stable, but other claims that it is not. I am looking a stable one, and I am not that fans of features and gimmicks. I don't even use sammy's keyboard. I can't part with swiftkey. I also have my own personal favorite apps from contacts, sms, radio, and many things, and I prefer to use those instead of bundled ones.
LOL.. ok.. SNote is dead.. I'll freeze that. I know awesome note, but AFAIK, there was no android version. Thanks for the pointer.
I haven't tried floating window yet.. but I'll try Android Revolution. Last time I freezed unused apps from sammy's stock rom, mine was plagued with too many FC. LOL. Perhaps I freezed too much.
Is Android Revolution stable?
Is it stable? everything runs fine? No FC?
Same question, is it stable?
Seems you are third person to recommend Android Revolution HD, so I'll give it a try.
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LOL... You are obsessed with stability. No one can satisfy your needs. It will be best if you can give us a new stable rom... No offence meant
Even i have tried so many roms before. Now i dont do that. I just prioritize as what i want in a rom. For me, stock sammy features were must. So ARHD suited me most. Then removed bloatware by rom cleaner so that i have more memory. Simplistic framework if you want to change certain things. Thats it. For me,my phone should not lag,should take what ever i throw at it,give decent battery. I got it with ARHD.
And always either do what majority follow cuz of feedback or experiment on your own. :good:
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LOL... You are obsessed with stability. No one can satisfy your needs. It will be best if you can give us a new stable rom... No offence meant
Even i have tried so many roms before. Now i dont do that. I just prioritize as what i want in a rom. For me, stock sammy features were must. So ARHD suited me most. Then removed bloatware by rom cleaner so that i have more memory. Simplistic framework if you want to change certain things. Thats it. For me,my phone should not lag,should take what ever i throw at it,give decent battery. I got it with ARHD.
And always either do what majority follow cuz of feedback or experiment on your own. :good:
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Yeah, because I work a lot with my phone, using Citrix Receiver, ssh, and remote desktop everyday there, and can't do a lot of experiments. So, yeah.. that multiwindow is VERY important since remote desktop would disconnect when I switch, and I am trying to narrow down my candidate ROM list.
I can accept once a month FC, but not a constant nagging problem with pretty GUI like cMIUI or RR. Granted, some people prefer lot of features, with newest ROM, sacrificing stability, but that's not me. And my S2 was very stable with vanilla ROM, and I like stock Nexus very much. The reason why I was starting from there. Also there are lots of ROM there with different focus. Stable ones, featured ones, fast ones, pretty ones, etc.
Thanks for info. I have downloaded ARHD, and will flash it tonight.. any other stable ROM I should consider?
ARHD ROM is pretty stable minus user error. I think there's a list somewhere in these threads showing you what you can and what you shouldn't freeze. I honestly don't find freezing stock apps all that useful. For one they don't give you usable space and second they don't keep running in the background and seldom wake the phone. I'd say ArHD+ Simplistics+ Nova Launcher+ Perseus kernel and you're good to go.
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praveen22 said:
If that's the case, try a ROM with floating multi window, I haven't tried one though. Awesome Notes HD is a great app. You can pin in on your notification drawer to get quick access to it. I don't use S-Note for most of my notes, its slow, if not laggy.
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Downloaded awesome note, but it's hard to write something. I need to type with awesome note. But I'll keep both S-Note and aNote.
bushako said:
ARHD ROM is pretty stable minus user error. I think there's a list somewhere in these threads showing you what you can and what you shouldn't freeze. I honestly don't find freezing stock apps all that useful. For one they don't give you usable space and second they don't keep running in the background and seldom wake the phone. I'd say ArHD+ Simplistics+ Nova Launcher+ Perseus kernel and you're good to go.
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I don't like it when those useless apps keep asking me to create a backup account, nor any app that always asking me to register, notif me a promo, ask me to leave comment, rate, or do something while it is in the background. I don't use them, but they keep annoy me. I hate that. I don't care too much for waking the phone, as my phone rarely sleep while I am awake. I also keeps 3 battery with me. As I said, I use my phone for work, and those useless notif always distracts me.
I tried Omega, AOKP, CyanogenMod and a couple of more on my old S2, my wifes S3 and my Note2.
For some reason I always fall back on WanamLite.
The most satisfying rom for me regarding stability, (stock camera), quick no wipe upgrades.
Never had issues, just works as it should.
Only missing a kitchen app like omegas kitchen but for Wanam.
So 1st place WanamLite
2nd Omega
3rd AOKP
All above w Nova Launcher
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prd00 said:
Is it stable? everything runs fine? No FC?
Seems you are third person to recommend Android Revolution HD, so I'll give it a try.
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I used to get so many FC om touchwiz, at least 4 on a daily basis. With Alliance v3 I've been getting a bit better battery life as well as smoothness. No FC and I never I'll wiped from v1 to v2 nor v2 to v3 and it's running incredibly stable.
AR HD no fuzz, all touchwiz
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prd00 said:
LOL.. that's the problem. I've found too many ROMs, some claims it's stable, but other claims that it is not. I am looking a stable one, and I am not that fans of features and gimmicks. I don't even use sammy's keyboard. I can't part with swiftkey. I also have my own personal favorite apps from contacts, sms, radio, and many things, and I prefer to use those instead of bundled ones.
LOL.. ok.. SNote is dead.. I'll freeze that. I know awesome note, but AFAIK, there was no android version. Thanks for the pointer.
I haven't tried floating window yet.. but I'll try Android Revolution. Last time I freezed unused apps from sammy's stock rom, mine was plagued with too many FC. LOL. Perhaps I freezed too much.
Is Android Revolution stable?
Is it stable? everything runs fine? No FC?
Same question, is it stable?
Seems you are third person to recommend Android Revolution HD, so I'll give it a try.
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It is a misconception. It is not much faster than the stock rom... I am currently using Android revolution hd... But if you have to install then arh is the safest option though but quite useless..
I used to install and tweak a new ROM almost every other week on my OG Evo 4G. Since I got a Verizon Galaxy Note 2, I've just kept it to Nova Launcher as my only "hack". I was looking at rooting and trying out some ROMs but I was wondering what functionality I would lose if I go with non-Samsung based ROMs like MIUI or AOKP (or whatever the latest fashion is).
Pen?
Pen hover cursor?
Multi-app functionality?
Etc...
You would lose all the touchwiz apps such as snote, smart rotation and smart stayon, Hover scroll and info, annoying touchwiz sounds and notifications, FM radio app, the ugly tw ui, and the excellent battery life.
With custom Aosp roms you would get 70percent of the battery life compared to touchwiz Rom, additional and easy modifications to the UI, faster and more fluid overall performance. The hover icon of the Spen can be enabled but you wouldn't get the same feedback when hovering over items in screen, as for the radio app you'll need to install 3rd party app such as Spirit Radio. These are just the few stuff you would gain I suggest you try it out.
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Awesome thanks. I hardly use any S-Apps so that's not a big deal. Also, I charge every night but get 2 days worth of charge so battery life is fine by me. My big thing is when I'm doing a quick remote desktop connection for my job, I like to use the S-Pen to better hit small buttons and links on the screen. As long as that functionality is there (I know it's dependent on the ROM developer/port) I'm good to go.
siege911 said:
Awesome thanks. I hardly use any S-Apps so that's not a big deal. Also, I charge every night but get 2 days worth of charge so battery life is fine by me. My big thing is when I'm doing a quick remote desktop connection for my job, I like to use the S-Pen to better hit small buttons and links on the screen. As long as that functionality is there (I know it's dependent on the ROM developer/port) I'm good to go.
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Almost every aosp rom I've tried has the hover feature built in. I would suggest you try out Carbon Rom as its very stable and packed with a lot of neat features.
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siege911 said:
I used to install and tweak a new ROM almost every other week on my OG Evo 4G. Since I got a Verizon Galaxy Note 2, I've just kept it to Nova Launcher as my only "hack". I was looking at rooting and trying out some ROMs but I was wondering what functionality I would lose if I go with non-Samsung based ROMs like MIUI or AOKP (or whatever the latest fashion is).
Pen?
Pen hover cursor?
Multi-app functionality?
Etc...
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Your question has the answer
Pen?
Pen hover cursor?
Multi-app functionality?
Etc...
and many more
...when it should be something like Hype, Compare, Choose.
I'm just posting this because it's crazy how we become kind of addicts to the cutting edge versions of Android, no matter how it really works on our device, it is just awesome because it works, on our beloved 3 years old nexus.
I'm the kind of guy who really search for smoothness, all around the system. I just can't stand a frame drop. It's kind of creepy. No, seriously, I look for details, and there's some things in KitKat I don't like. But all that said, and as I once read, if your eyes see at 15 fps it's not my fault lol. So, here they are:
- Notifications panel / Quick settings animation. Yes, guess what, the frame drop here is aweful. It stutters like hell. Just do it, expand the status bar and hit the tile many times, that's not smooth at all.
- RAM usage. They can say KK is optimized and bla bla, but real thing is that there's less free RAM than JB. It's a fact. You can go all the way of how Android manage memory and stuff, well, I rather more free RAM.
- Home button responsiveness. It just lags. Test it, open an app, something heavy e.g. Facebook app, and press home button. Now do the same but use back button. Give it a few tries if you didn't notice the difference at the first time.
- High battery drain.
There are some other things but you get the point. I felt less responsiveness in general, when multitasking, etc. So I decided to go back to Android 4.3.1 JB, CM 10.2.1 in my particular case. Oh yes, this feels awesome. Notifications panel / Quick settings animation is fully smooth, I've more free ram, Home button reaction is fast again, multitasking is great. I also realized that I missed the Vanilla ui. This is definitely where I'm staying.
So my conclusion is, you can follow the hype but don't stay just with the new things, make your own judgement, compare and choose what's your most suitable rom/android version out there
NOTES:
- I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos looking for this issues I've mentioned, so I discard problems with my Maguro in particular.
- I'm comparing both Android versions with the same apps (around 140 total apps), so there's no factory reset placebo effect.
- They're all present on different roms i.e CM, PA, and some others, so its KK related I guess.
- A particular thing about CM 10.2.1 is that it cames with a modified phase beam live wallpaper that slows down the launcher/system, don't get wrong this first bad impression , try another live wallpaper and you'll see how smooth is it. It runs great, using live or static wallpapers. What I did was delete the phasebeam.apk and push the stock 4.3 phasebeam.apk, that works good :good:.
- Hey! There's some good KK themes for old Theme Chooser if you want the KK look.
Anyway, here's another reason to not to ask what's the best rom for my GN.
This is just my personal opinion.
Hope you've enjoyed the post, and go try yourself!
Kustaa said:
...when it should be something like Hype, Compare, Choose.
I'm just posting this because it's crazy how we become kind of addicts to the cutting edge versions of Android, no matter how it really works on our device, it is just awesome because it works, on our beloved 3 years old nexus.
I'm the kind of guy who really search for smoothness, all around the system. I just can't stand a frame drop. It's kind of creepy. No, seriously, I look for details, and there's some things in KitKat I don't like. But all that said, and as I once read, if your eyes see at 15 fps it's not my fault lol. So, here they are:
- Notifications panel / Quick settings animation. Yes, guess what, the frame drop here is aweful. It stutters like hell. Just do it, expand the status bar and hit the tile many times, that's not smooth at all.
- RAM usage. They can say KK is optimized and bla bla, but real thing is that there's less free RAM than JB. It's a fact. You can go all the way of how Android manage memory and stuff, well, I rather more free RAM.
- Home button responsiveness. It just lags. Test it, open an app, something heavy e.g. Facebook app, and press home button. Now do the same but use back button. Give it a few tries if you didn't notice the difference at the first time.
- High battery drain.
There are some other things but you get the point. I felt less responsiveness in general, when multitasking, etc. So I decided to go back to Android 4.3.1 JB, CM 10.2.1 in my particular case. Oh yes, this feels awesome. Notifications panel / Quick settings animation is fully smooth, I've more free ram, Home button reaction is fast again, multitasking is great. I also realized that I missed the Vanilla ui. This is definitely where I'm staying.
So my conclusion is, you can follow the hype but don't stay just with the new things, make your own judgement, compare and choose what's your most suitable rom/android version out there
NOTES:
- I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos looking for this issues I've mentioned, so I discard problems with my Maguro in particular.
- I'm comparing both Android versions with the same apps (around 140 total apps), so there's no factory reset placebo effect.
- They're all present on different roms i.e CM, PA, and some others, so its KK related I guess.
- A particular thing about CM 10.2.1 is that it cames with a modified phase beam live wallpaper that slows down the launcher/system, don't get wrong this first bad impression , try another live wallpaper and you'll see how smooth is it. It runs great, using live or static wallpapers. What I did was delete the phasebeam.apk and push the stock 4.3 phasebeam.apk, that works good :good:.
- Hey! There's some good KK themes for old Theme Chooser if you want the KK look.
Anyway, here's another reason to not to ask what's the best rom for my GN.
This is just my personal opinion.
Hope you've enjoyed the post, and go try yourself!
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I agree with the problems you mentioned and i do want speed, stability and smoothness.
I noticed those things when i first upgraded to KK.
To overcome those challenges, i tried all the roms (CM Remix, Cm11, PA, Omni, Omni FML, geyers, AOKP, etc..) with stock kernels and then with DIRTY V and Fancy.
More ram is available with dirty v, fancy and stock PA kernel.
Afterall, i choose my personal set up which is smooth and stable for my device. i am satisfied with it now.
With Android you always have a choice of tweaking, upgrading or downgrading from JB > KK. so choose whats best for you :good:
Even I've been thinking of try CM 10 for a while but I just can't leave KitKat. For me, latest Android version is important but this lag makes me feel bad. So I try to manage the performance using better kernel and not using apps like Facebook but it isn't enough. There is still lag in some or the other screen.
I bought Galaxy Nexus in last 9 months only so I couldn't use Android 4.3 roms much and thus I don't have much info about them. What do you think, should I give it a try? Also, which rom would you recommend?
Thanks.
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Even I've been thinking of try CM 10 for a while but I just can't leave KitKat. For me, latest Android version is important but this lag makes me feel bad. So I try to manage the performance using better kernel and not using apps like Facebook but it isn't enough. There is still lag in some or the other screen.
I bought Galaxy Nexus in last 9 months only so I couldn't use Android 4.3 roms much and thus I don't have much info about them. What do you think, should I give it a try? Also, which rom would you recommend?
Thanks.
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As I said, you'll have to try my friend
If you want my opinion, CM 10.2.1 Stable is awesome. Rock solid. You should make a nandroid backup of your current rom and go try some 4.3 stuff! In worst scenario you'll be restoring the nandroid and that's it!
hemantv said:
Even I've been thinking of try CM 10 for a while but I just can't leave KitKat. For me, latest Android version is important but this lag makes me feel bad. So I try to manage the performance using better kernel and not using apps like Facebook but it isn't enough. There is still lag in some or the other screen.
I bought Galaxy Nexus in last 9 months only so I couldn't use Android 4.3 roms much and thus I don't have much info about them. What do you think, should I give it a try? Also, which rom would you recommend?
Thanks.
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try the paranoid 3.99 based on 4.3
I remember it was really smooth
Kustaa said:
As I said, you'll have to try my friend
If you want my opinion, CM 10.2.1 Stable is awesome. Rock solid. You should make a nandroid backup of your current rom and go try some 4.3 stuff! In worst scenario you'll be restoring the nandroid and that's it!
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I agree with you on everything you said. I think I even went back to CM 10.X (not sure the exact one), but it was much better than anything I had before. I am on PA 4.44 and my data loses connection often and not sure why. The version of CM though, I would put it on airplane mode and my battery would still be drained the next day when other versions I didn't have that issue. That's one reason I went to another ROM, but it appears I am just going through ROMS like crazy trying to find the one I like most. To me...battery life is the most important.
decisions.
when i stopped using google framework with all those apps you dont have to use...
i found my battery lasting much longer
setting my kernel to lazy...while turning up voltage and over hertz. gives it enough speed...with enough "crash"
to stay up for 3 to 4 days, just sitting there
and 1 to 2 while in normal use.
and using up my data....well no one is going to get much up time like that
Hello everyone,
I recently bought a Tab S 8.4 and I do have it rooted along with a custom recovery but I'm still running the stock Lollipop Samsung ROM with Touchwiz. Here is my question: If I were to flash a non-Samsung ROM like IronROM or CM12 or anything based on AOSP, what are the Samsung features I would be losing?
Here's what I can tell so far:
Fingerprint Reader
Multi-Window
Touchwiz Overlay
Hancom Office Software
S-Voice? Unsure
Peel Smart Remote? Unsure
Toolbox
Quick Connect
Will I lose Power Saving and Ultra Saving Modes? Unsure
Guest mode/Private mode
Knox? Unsure what this does
Thank you.
Bumping this in case anyone has any insight they could share with me, thank you.
IronROM is a Touchwiz 5.0.2 ROM, not AOSP. Since you have custom recovery isntalled, you should try flashing AOSP ROMs to experience the difference yourself. Perhaps you'll become a flashaholic like many of us :victory: . A Marshmallow ROM is available. I tried several TW and AOSP ROMs on various devices, and I decided I prefer TW.
HKSpeed said:
IronROM is a Touchwiz 5.0.2 ROM, not AOSP. Since you have custom recovery isntalled, you should try flashing AOSP ROMs to experience the difference yourself. Perhaps you'll become a flashaholic like many of us :victory: . A Marshmallow ROM is available. I tried several TW and AOSP ROMs on various devices, and I decided I prefer TW.
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Unfortunately, I now consider myself to be a reformed flashaholic I was hoping to avoid flashing several ROMs since it's a time-consuming process.
I did read up on some ROMs and might move over to IronROM since it keeps some of the Samsung features that might be useful. I'll end up deleting/freezing others that I don't want I suppose.
Thanks.
Personally, the only thing that keep me from using an AOSP Rom is Split Window, something that I use a lot.
You should consider if there is some TouchWiz feature that you can't live without, I consider most of it crapware.
Dont forget to run the Wanam LP Xposed module. It adds some customizations to TW.
Thanks all. I think multi-window and fingerprint reader are enough to keep me on the TouchWiz. I'll switch to IronRom and with Xposed that should do the trick, especially if I disable a lot of other Samsung bloat. Thanks again!
One major factor to me is that aosp does not support exfat. In this day and age and the size of media files that's a killer.
Also let's put something straight. TW like any other gui such as sense is just an enhanced interface.
It does provide many useful features. Samsungs problem is its insistence on bogging it down with unnecessary bloat, also knox should be optional.
TW can be just as efficient as aosp or cm.
On the tab A they included very little bloat and it runs very well.
The tab S has quite powerful hardware and should fly, which it does when all the chaff is removed.
ashyx said:
One major factor to me is that aosp does not support exfat. In this day and age and the size of media files that's a killer.
Also let's put something straight. TW like any other gui such as sense is just an enhanced interface.
It does provide many useful features. Samsungs problem is its insistence on bogging it down with unnecessary bloat, also knox should be optional.
TW can be just as efficient as aosp or cm.
On the tab A they included very little bloat and it runs very well.
The tab S has quite powerful hardware and should fly, which it does when all the chaff is removed.
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Oh I had no idea about the lack of exfat support! That settles it then, I'm sticking with TW for sure and will switch to IronROM since it adds a few things and also enables the use of Xposed due to being deodexed etc. I can definitely disable the other bloat I don't need, in fact I have done that already on my current stock 5.0.2 ROM as well.
I am a serial Nexus user and the last 10 or so of my devices have all been Nexus, so TouchWiz is taking some getting used to. It does add some useful features and it's easy enough to get rid of what you don't want/need.
Thanks again everyone, much appreciated.
the7thson said:
Thanks all. I think multi-window and fingerprint reader are enough to keep me on the TouchWiz. I'll switch to IronRom and with Xposed that should do the trick, especially if I disable a lot of other Samsung bloat. Thanks again!
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Cm13 does suport fingerprint sensor and multi Window (not 4 Windows, or mini Windows) but fingerprint isnt working right now.
Peel does work with aosp.
S voice is crap and Google search (even cortana beta) is far better.
Toolbox can be used by using an app called Toolbox (play store it, there are 5 i think)
So, you will only lose (and miss) ultra power saving Mode, because cm13 (even xposed modules have) has Its own saving Mode called doze
Knox is a security Mode to protect your info. (i never use it)
Guest/private Mode, are cm since cm12 and of course on cm 13 too
Soundcamp, the music workstation from Samsung, does not work on AOSP but is OK on IronRom.
BraianV said:
Cm13 does suport fingerprint sensor and multi Window (not 4 Windows, or mini Windows) but fingerprint isnt working right now.
Peel does work with aosp.
S voice is crap and Google search (even cortana beta) is far better.
Toolbox can be used by using an app called Toolbox (play store it, there are 5 i think)
So, you will only lose (and miss) ultra power saving Mode, because cm13 (even xposed modules have) has Its own saving Mode called doze
Knox is a security Mode to protect your info. (i never use it)
Guest/private Mode, are cm since cm12 and of course on cm 13 too
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Finger print will never work for this device on an AOSP ROM. The sensor is a proprietary Samsung device, they will not release the source code for it. Regardless of the native support for fingerprint sensors in MM, it is impossible to build support for the Samsung sensors into an AOSP ROM without the source code.
I tried searching this forum before asking, so forgive me if someone has already asked this before. I want opinions from users who tried both AOSP and MIUI based ROMs. I wanted to know which is more stable/feature rich and better. If you hate or are strongly against MIUI and hence will never use it that is fine, but I am more interested in those who don't have such a negative opinion of MIUI and I want an honest and fair comparison of the two types of ROMs.
I am currently on ArrowOS and it is pretty decent. However, it does have some minor bugs and inconveniences. The main one is that the default Google phone app has issues with incoming calls - I cannot hear the other person on incoming calls until I activate speakerphone. Also, I believe some features are missing in AOSP based ROMs such as Dolby audio, and some other niche features. Also, it is quite unfortunate that AOSP based ROMs cannot take full advantage of the cameras and are limited to 12 Megapixels only and some camera features are missing.
Now, I wanted to know if I can have full camera functionality in MIUI based ROMs? Does it also have the same kind of incoming call bug? And lastly, can I still install GCam on MIUI based ROMs and get the best of both worlds, that is use MIUI camera app and GCam as well? Your advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
I'm gonna copy>paste my answer from another thread:
This answer probably is going to sound harsh, but it is truth (at least for me hahaha).
I've tried literally every custom rom from here (and also a few ones that are baked outside XDA, i.e. HOS, the Android 12 build, etc) and yeah, not even one custom rom gets near the stability, compatibility and battery life of MIUI.
I don't like MIUI at all, but the battery consuption and stability is the best to be used as a daily driver. I hate when I want to do something on my daily basis and then I fail to do it because I'm using a custom rom, for example: bluetooth issues when connecting the phone with my car, video calls having audio issues, low volume on calls, etc) or just taking a photo.
MIUI covers all those little points, and at the end of the day, is the only rom that fullfill all my needs. I personally use eu (the weekly release), as it is just an optimized version of MIUI, but yeah, I still dream on the day that a custom rom gets to the same level of stability and compatibility as MIUI. I TRULY love pixel like roms, but I just don't wan't to sacrifice stability or just simply downgrade the cam quality just for that.
And if I really need to chose a custom rom, I'll pick Lineage, it's the best custom rom out there, has awesome battery life, extra features and the rom/mantainers are not just going to stop developing the weekly nightlies just because they get tired of it. On second place there is HOS, the only issue with HOS that I had is that the thermals of my phone gets real high when I play games (this does not happen with other roms).
=)
Here's the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/best-custom-rom.4275947/page-6
Kimbaroth said:
I'm gonna copy>paste my answer from another thread:
This answer probably is going to sound harsh, but it is truth (at least for me hahaha).
I've tried literally every custom rom from here (and also a few ones that are baked outside XDA, i.e. HOS, the Android 12 build, etc) and yeah, not even one custom rom gets near the stability, compatibility and battery life of MIUI.
I don't like MIUI at all, but the battery consuption and stability is the best to be used as a daily driver. I hate when I want to do something on my daily basis and then I fail to do it because I'm using a custom rom, for example: bluetooth issues when connecting the phone with my car, video calls having audio issues, low volume on calls, etc) or just taking a photo.
MIUI covers all those little points, and at the end of the day, is the only rom that fullfill all my needs. I personally use eu (the weekly release), as it is just an optimized version of MIUI, but yeah, I still dream on the day that a custom rom gets to the same level of stability and compatibility as MIUI. I TRULY love pixel like roms, but I just don't wan't to sacrifice stability or just simply downgrade the cam quality just for that.
And if I really need to chose a custom rom, I'll pick Lineage, it's the best custom rom out there, has awesome battery life, extra features and the rom/mantainers are not just going to stop developing the weekly nightlies just because they get tired of it. On second place there is HOS, the only issue with HOS that I had is that the thermals of my phone gets real high when I play games (this does not happen with other roms).
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Here's the thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/best-custom-rom.4275947/page-6
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Thanks for the reply! Yes I read your post on that other thread as well and it was a very good post. I feel that your observation is accurate. MIUI based ROMs seem to give us the most stability and feature set. Unfortunately AOSP ROMs have things lacking that MIUI ROMs have by default like the Camera. I think this is making me inclined to install a MIUI ROM I guess.
A quick follow up question: Can I install GCam on the Xiaomi.eu ROM? The only feature I want from GCam is the "photosphere" mode.
litetaker said:
A quick follow up question: Can I install GCam on the Xiaomi.eu ROM? The only feature I want from GCam is the "photosphere" mode.
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You can try that by yourself, there are a lot of gcam variants, better download a couple of them and try one by one: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
litetaker said:
I tried searching this forum before asking, so forgive me if someone has already asked this before. I want opinions from users who tried both AOSP and MIUI based ROMs. I wanted to know which is more stable/feature rich and better. If you hate or are strongly against MIUI and hence will never use it that is fine, but I am more interested in those who don't have such a negative opinion of MIUI and I want an honest and fair comparison of the two types of ROMs.
I am currently on ArrowOS and it is pretty decent. However, it does have some minor bugs and inconveniences. The main one is that the default Google phone app has issues with incoming calls - I cannot hear the other person on incoming calls until I activate speakerphone. Also, I believe some features are missing in AOSP based ROMs such as Dolby audio, and some other niche features. Also, it is quite unfortunate that AOSP based ROMs cannot take full advantage of the cameras and are limited to 12 Megapixels only and some camera features are missing.
Now, I wanted to know if I can have full camera functionality in MIUI based ROMs? Does it also have the same kind of incoming call bug? And lastly, can I still install GCam on MIUI based ROMs and get the best of both worlds, that is use MIUI camera app and GCam as well? Your advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
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Overall, I'd also rather have Vanilla Android.
But I do like Xiaomi's added permission-manager, which restricts Apps further, Dolby Atmos (Much better than Moto Dolby, and Razer Dolby in AOSP ROMs), and the MIUI Camera App.
Yes, you can use Gcam on MIUI as well. The ports have gotten good.
Recommended Stable Google Camera Port Versions
A list of suggested / recommended and known to be stable Google Camera apks.
www.celsoazevedo.com
BSG GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by BSG.
www.celsoazevedo.com
Arnova8G2 GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by Arnova8G2.
www.celsoazevedo.com
Arnova8G2 (Beta) GCam APKs - Google Camera Port
Modified Google Camera app by Arnova8G2 (Beta).
www.celsoazevedo.com
Calling works normal on MIUI. Call Recording too.
litetaker said:
I tried searching this forum before asking, so forgive me if someone has already asked this before. I want opinions from users who tried both AOSP and MIUI based ROMs. I wanted to know which is more stable/feature rich and better. If you hate or are strongly against MIUI and hence will never use it that is fine, but I am more interested in those who don't have such a negative opinion of MIUI and I want an honest and fair comparison of the two types of ROMs.
I am currently on ArrowOS and it is pretty decent. However, it does have some minor bugs and inconveniences. The main one is that the default Google phone app has issues with incoming calls - I cannot hear the other person on incoming calls until I activate speakerphone. Also, I believe some features are missing in AOSP based ROMs such as Dolby audio, and some other niche features. Also, it is quite unfortunate that AOSP based ROMs cannot take full advantage of the cameras and are limited to 12 Megapixels only and some camera features are missing.
Now, I wanted to know if I can have full camera functionality in MIUI based ROMs? Does it also have the same kind of incoming call bug? And lastly, can I still install GCam on MIUI based ROMs and get the best of both worlds, that is use MIUI camera app and GCam as well? Your advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
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i've used most of custom roms and just like the user above, I switched back to miui (weekly xiaomi eu). I found some annoying issues in every single rom, like random reboots while using LTE, and high idle batery drain.
Aosp roms are more clean and smooth, but they lack of the stability of Miui and some features like the MEMC, dobly, game mode, etc.
So, in the mean time I will stay on miui
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i've used most of custom roms and just like the user above, I switched back to miui (weekly xiaomi eu). I found many issues in every single rom, like random reboots while using LTE, and high idle batery drain.
Aosp roms are more clean and smooth, but they lack of the stability of Miui and some features like the MEMC, dobly, game mode, etc.
So, in the mean time I will stay on miui
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I'm also on Xiaomi.eu Weekly. I've seen your question here on XDA about the random reboots, but I don't know a solution to your problem.
I've only stayed on a single AOSP ROM for max. 2 days before switching to other AOSP ROMs, but I only experienced 1 crash during Android Setup, I think.
I only used 4G/LTE internet, no calls as far as I know.
I tried many aosp custom roms and went back to stock Miui. High end phones have extra features like Dolby atmos which improves sound quality a lot and no custom rom sounds as good as Miui, and some very useful built in features like timing AOD which is very convenient,... I feel like Aosp custom roms would be better for mid range phone like Redmi notes, Poco F3 is powerful enough to be smooth even in Miui
Hey,
I just switched to MiuiMiX, most things are great. But there are some things that are missing, and I hope you can help me .
First, the most important thing, navigation gestures with third party launcher. Is there an efficient way to make gestures works with third party launcher (I use Niagara Launcher, and it worked great with AOSP ROMs), I tried many things, but none worked or in a bad way, annoying to use the stock launcher while I paid for Niagara launcher which is perfect for me. The other problems aren't really caused by MIUI, or I just need some adaptation, or else...
Otherwise, what do you recommend for MIUI based ROM ?
I don't care a whole lot for the Xiaomi Miui based roms to clunky to bloated and slow compared to lets say Arrow is clean fast and battery life is much better , even Xiaomi.eu version is bloated in my opinion, themes , miui music app and video and the the built in Avast scanner all crap! but to each his own .
jefffrom said:
I don't care a whole lot for the Xiaomi Miui based roms to clunky to bloated and slow compared to lets say Arrow is clean fast and battery life is much better , even Xiaomi.eu version is bloated in my opinion, themes , miui music app and video and the the built in Avast scanner all crap! but to each his own .
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That is a fair point but overall I still find MIUI to be the better ROM than AOSP ROMs.
I agree that MIUI has more bloat and a lot more pre-installed system apps. But I don't think it is slow at all. It is absolutely snappy and just as fast as AOSP ROMs. Battery life, I personally do not see any significant difference between the two. In fact I probably experienced more idle battery drain on ArrowOS and sometimes the phone was unable to go into deep sleep mode on ArrowOS.
But the main reason I prefer MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP even though my previous phone was a Pixel 2 and I really appreciate clean stock Android is because a lot of features are lost when I go to AOSP ROMs that I cannot justify it! Why use a ROM that takes away a lot of the features that came with the phone? I paid for all those features and I would like to use them.
For me camera is very very important and I was undewhelmed by GCam. I really wanted the proper functionality of stock MIUI camera. And the good news is I can install GCam on MIUI ROMs too to get the best of both worlds!
For me, the following is a small selection of features that are better on MIUI ROMs than AOSP:
Better Camera; there is no sound issue with incoming calls (was a problem on ArrowOS), better screen recorder features with floating controls, better screen casting functionality, useful built-in apps like voice recorder, notes, compass, weather app, also the calculator app and clock app are better and more feature rich than Google's equivalents
You can force dark mode on apps, which is really useful for those apps that don't have dark mode or make dark mode a paid feature
Dolby Atmos, MEMC, floating windows, one handed mode and other useful features not in AOSP ROMs
I personally prefer the layout of the notification panel in MIUI more than Stock Android. In fact, I liked Samsung One UI's implementation of the notification panel more than Google's stock implementation. Brightness slider is at the bottom to be more easily accessible, the settings icon is on the top so I do not have to expand the quick toggles to get that icon unlike in Stock Android.
And honestly, once I have the phone all setup it looks great! Nowadays Android skins are relatively mild unlike the heavy handed UIs like TouchWiz and HTC Sense of the past. Even the latest MIUI looks fairly mild and after everything is setup there is not a lot of difference compared to Stock Android in appearance. In fact it looks a bit better than the very spartan Stock Android look. Even the Settings app is nicer with the bigger icons and fonts. So I am quite happy with the Xiaomi.eu ROM.
I hope this comparison of MIUI ROM vs AOSP interface is useful to others if they want to get an overview of what you get from MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP.
litetaker said:
That is a fair point but overall I still find MIUI to be the better ROM than AOSP ROMs.
I agree that MIUI has more bloat and a lot more pre-installed system apps. But I don't think it is slow at all. It is absolutely snappy and just as fast as AOSP ROMs. Battery life, I personally do not see any significant difference between the two. In fact I probably experienced more idle battery drain on ArrowOS and sometimes the phone was unable to go into deep sleep mode on ArrowOS.
But the main reason I prefer MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP even though my previous phone was a Pixel 2 and I really appreciate clean stock Android is because a lot of features are lost when I go to AOSP ROMs that I cannot justify it! Why use a ROM that takes away a lot of the features that came with the phone? I paid for all those features and I would like to use them.
For me camera is very very important and I was undewhelmed by GCam. I really wanted the proper functionality of stock MIUI camera. And the good news is I can install GCam on MIUI ROMs too to get the best of both worlds!
For me, the following is a small selection of features that are better on MIUI ROMs than AOSP:
Better Camera; there is no sound issue with incoming calls (was a problem on ArrowOS), better screen recorder features with floating controls, better screen casting functionality, useful built-in apps like voice recorder, notes, compass, weather app, also the calculator app and clock app are better and more feature rich than Google's equivalents
You can force dark mode on apps, which is really useful for those apps that don't have dark mode or make dark mode a paid feature
Dolby Atmos, MEMC, floating windows, one handed mode and other useful features not in AOSP ROMs
I personally prefer the layout of the notification panel in MIUI more than Stock Android. In fact, I liked Samsung One UI's implementation of the notification panel more than Google's stock implementation. Brightness slider is at the bottom to be more easily accessible, the settings icon is on the top so I do not have to expand the quick toggles to get that icon unlike in Stock Android.
And honestly, once I have the phone all setup it looks great! Nowadays Android skins are relatively mild unlike the heavy handed UIs like TouchWiz and HTC Sense of the past. Even the latest MIUI looks fairly mild and after everything is setup there is not a lot of difference compared to Stock Android in appearance. In fact it looks a bit better than the very spartan Stock Android look. Even the Settings app is a nicer with the bigger icons and fonts. So I am quite happy with the Xiaomi.eu ROM.
I hope this comparison of MIUI ROM vs AOSP interface is useful to others if they want to get an overview of what you get from MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP.
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Nice, I'm have some lags with MiuiMiX... And MIUI is still very limited with some things... It's a choice to make AOSP and MIUI have advantages and disadvantages..
litetaker said:
That is a fair point but overall I still find MIUI to be the better ROM than AOSP ROMs.
I agree that MIUI has more bloat and a lot more pre-installed system apps. But I don't think it is slow at all. It is absolutely snappy and just as fast as AOSP ROMs. Battery life, I personally do not see any significant difference between the two. In fact I probably experienced more idle battery drain on ArrowOS and sometimes the phone was unable to go into deep sleep mode on ArrowOS.
But the main reason I prefer MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP even though my previous phone was a Pixel 2 and I really appreciate clean stock Android is because a lot of features are lost when I go to AOSP ROMs that I cannot justify it! Why use a ROM that takes away a lot of the features that came with the phone? I paid for all those features and I would like to use them.
For me camera is very very important and I was undewhelmed by GCam. I really wanted the proper functionality of stock MIUI camera. And the good news is I can install GCam on MIUI ROMs too to get the best of both worlds!
For me, the following is a small selection of features that are better on MIUI ROMs than AOSP:
Better Camera; there is no sound issue with incoming calls (was a problem on ArrowOS), better screen recorder features with floating controls, better screen casting functionality, useful built-in apps like voice recorder, notes, compass, weather app, also the calculator app and clock app are better and more feature rich than Google's equivalents
You can force dark mode on apps, which is really useful for those apps that don't have dark mode or make dark mode a paid feature
Dolby Atmos, MEMC, floating windows, one handed mode and other useful features not in AOSP ROMs
I personally prefer the layout of the notification panel in MIUI more than Stock Android. In fact, I liked Samsung One UI's implementation of the notification panel more than Google's stock implementation. Brightness slider is at the bottom to be more easily accessible, the settings icon is on the top so I do not have to expand the quick toggles to get that icon unlike in Stock Android.
And honestly, once I have the phone all setup it looks great! Nowadays Android skins are relatively mild unlike the heavy handed UIs like TouchWiz and HTC Sense of the past. Even the latest MIUI looks fairly mild and after everything is setup there is not a lot of difference compared to Stock Android in appearance. In fact it looks a bit better than the very spartan Stock Android look. Even the Settings app is nicer with the bigger icons and fonts. So I am quite happy with the Xiaomi.eu ROM.
I hope this comparison of MIUI ROM vs AOSP interface is useful to others if they want to get an overview of what you get from MIUI ROMs compared to AOSP.
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some very valid points my friend but you got to ask yourself do the positives outweigh the negatives ? I will agree miss the stock camera and Atmos but dam everything else just works better..I just can't deal with the bloat of the stock rom.
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some very valid points my friend but you got to ask yourself do the positives outweigh the negatives ? I will agree miss the stock camera and Atmos but dam everything else just works better..I just can't deal with the bloat of the stock rom.
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I have hidden away the bloat completely. I don't see any major negatives with this ROM so far.
In my opinion, if you want to save some time then don't think about flashing custom ROM in the initial days of purchase. Just stick with preloaded stock ROM so that you can enjoy the fancy features which lure you into buying that phone. Flashing is an addiction after some time and there are tons of ROMs which get regular updates that will keep busy in flashing ROMs. I think the thumb rule should be to wait until 1 year (typical warranty period and end of regular update cycle from OEM) before flashing any custom ROMs. After that, you will definitely enjoy ASOP ROMs.
I always go away from miui due to security and privacy concerns + the bloated applications and the ads. I have found ARROWOS and HOS to be working the best on PocoF3, keep in mind miui has higher antutu scores because it has a specific profile for bench-marking called "nolimit"
Noe367 said:
Hey,
I just switched to MiuiMiX, most things are great. But there are some things that are missing, and I hope you can help me .
First, the most important thing, navigation gestures with third party launcher. Is there an efficient way to make gestures works with third party launcher (I use Niagara Launcher, and it worked great with AOSP ROMs), I tried many things, but none worked or in a bad way, annoying to use the stock launcher while I paid for Niagara launcher which is perfect for me. The other problems aren't really caused by MIUI, or I just need some adaptation, or else...
Otherwise, what do you recommend for MIUI based ROM ?
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There is a guide thread open on how to use gestures with any launcher, you need magisk, and Nav Remover Module
ketanmore said:
In my opinion, if you want to save some time then don't think about flashing custom ROM in the initial days of purchase. Just stick with preloaded stock ROM so that you can enjoy the fancy features which lure you into buying that phone. Flashing is an addiction after some time and there are tons of ROMs which get regular updates that will keep busy in flashing ROMs. I think the thumb rule should be to wait until 1 year (typical warranty period and end of regular update cycle from OEM) before flashing any custom ROMs. After that, you will definitely enjoy ASOP ROMs.
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Many Roms have semi automated updates. Arrow for example has 1 button to check for an update and then pops another to install the available update. That's it, everything is done in the background, you can use your phone as usual. Restart whenever it's convenient for you and you are done. Just like in stock MIUI
Zimmster said:
Many Roms have semi automated updates. Arrow for example has 1 button to check for an update and then pops another to install the available update. That's it, everything is done in the background, you can use your phone as usual. Restart whenever it's convenient for you and you are done. Just like in stock MIUI
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Is it straightforward to install updates for ArrowOS with Magisk root? Or will it block updates or something?