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Charging

i want to kno whether there will b effect to my excalibur if i used it while it is on charge... n i also want to kno wht is the exact volt needed to charge excalibur...

somecuitears said:
i want to kno whether there will b effect to my excalibur if i used it while it is on charge... n i also want to kno wht is the exact volt needed to charge excalibur...
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Well, when I use my excalibur while charging and specifically using wifi...that thing it's a portable heater . It really gets hots on the battery .
Regarding the charging volt, It's 12V to charge.

Mr. Clown said:
Well, when I use my excalibur while charging and specifically using wifi...that thing it's a portable heater . It really gets hots on the battery .
Regarding the charging volt, It's 12V to charge.
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12V??? i charge it using 5VDC...
r u sure it needs 12VDC???? because i hav never seen or heard of any mobile tht charges using 12V..and i once even fried my mobile while i tried to charge using 12V....

somecuitears said:
12V??? i charge it using 5VDC...
r u sure it needs 12VDC???? because i hav never seen or heard of any mobile tht charges using 12V..and i once even fried my mobile while i tried to charge using 12V....
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How much volts do you think a car charger outputs holds up to 12V
http://bestcelldist.com/htc_excalibur_in_car_charger.html
Mine hasn't fried in 3 years of charging it with a Motorola car charger

Mr. Clown said:
How much volts do you think a car charger outputs holds up to 12V
http://bestcelldist.com/htc_excalibur_in_car_charger.html
Mine hasn't fried in 3 years of charging it with a Motorola car charger
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thanks... i giv a try...

There may be a little misunderstanding here. I think OP is referring to the maximum voltage which should be applied to the phone.
A car charger requires 12VDC in order to operate.
A wall charger usually requires 110 - 220 VAC in order to operate.
In both cases though, the outpuit to the phone is in the region of 5VDC with a maximum current draw of ~ 1.0 Amps.
Most cell phones require about 5VDC in order to charge.

exciseman said:
There may be a little misunderstanding here. I think OP is referring to the maximum voltage which should be applied to the phone.
A car charger requires 12VDC in order to operate.
A wall charger usually requires 110 - 220 VAC in order to operate.
In both cases though, the outpuit to the phone is in the region of 5VDC with a maximum current draw of ~ 1.0 Amps.
Most cell phones require about 5VDC in order to charge.
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most cell use 3.7V to 5V tht is when it is converted to 3.79 to 5V from 110~220V with transformer.. so how much "output to the phone" is needed for charging HTC Excalibur...as i hav told before i hav been charging using 5V (converted by transformer) n i m not sure whether it is the required volt or not.. n i think my previous battery died because i used it while it was in charge...

somecuitears said:
most cell use 3.7V to 5V tht is when it is converted to 3.79 to 5V from 110~220V with transformer.. so how much "output to the phone" is needed for charging HTC Excalibur...as i hav told before i hav been charging using 5V (converted by transformer) n i m not sure whether it is the required volt or not.. n i think my previous battery died because i used it while it was in charge...
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The output to the phone is usually about 5 VDC. For example, the charger that came with my S621 has a rated output of 5VDC with a maximum current draw of 1.0 Amp. The majority of cell/smartphones seem to use chargers which have a rated output of ~5 VDC. The actual amperage, or level of current flow, depends upon the individual phone's design/circuitry. Another point: A USB port operates at 5VDC. It as you know, will recharge the Excalibur, as well as many other phones.
I'm not well versed in circuit design, but I do know that the maximum voltage of a fully charged cell phone battery is ~4.2 VDC. I presume that the individual phone's circuitry modifies the input votage from the charger, to a level which will safely charge the battery. (And cut off the current to prevent overcharging).
I presume, when you mention "transformer", that you are referring to the typical cell phone wall/car charger. A simple transformer would probably be a very efficient means of frying your phone.
As for using a phone while it is charging, I cannot really comment. I use my phone while it is charging only occasionally and even then, for only a short period.
Mr. Clown refers to the fact that his phone gets quite hot when used while charging. That may shorten battery life. That, in turn, may depend upon what the phone is being used for at the time. Obviously, more functions in use = greater current draw = greater heating effect.

Will it be safe to use a 2A charger for the Galaxy Nexus?

I just picked up a Nexus 7 and was wondering if I can just use that 2A charger.

No.
You can go under but not over. You risk damaging the phone's charging circuit.

GldRush98 said:
No.
You can go under but not over. You risk damaging the phone's charging circuit.
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Ummm. To the first response....your thinking of voltage not charging amperage. I might be wrong but I believe how much current your phone draws when charging is determined by the phone itself, not the charger. What you really want to watch for is a mismatch between the charger output voltage and phone input voltage, that's when the damage occurs

butikofer08 said:
Ummm. To the first response....your thinking of voltage not charging amperage. I might be wrong but I believe how much current your phone draws when charging is determined by the phone itself, not the charger. What you really want to watch for is a mismatch between the charger output voltage and phone input voltage, that's when the damage occurs
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Your correct. The most it will draw at 5 volts is 1 amp. The best charger is the one that the phone comes with. If you want to learn more research ohms law and resistance balancing. Something like thevenin an mct.

tracerit said:
I just picked up a Nexus 7 and was wondering if I can just use that 2A charger.
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Yes.
The Nexus7 charger will be just fine charging the Galaxy Nexus. It will not damage it at all. I use a Kindle Fire charger to charge my GNexus. It can provide up to 1.8 amps at a nice steady 5Volts, but it doesn't have to provide that many amps to charge the Nexus - so it doesn't.
Its the voltage, not the maximum amp capacity, that is critical, cannot be too high.
It is usually OK to use a too low amp capacity charger as well, the charging just takes longer. Usually...some chargers are designed poorly. When asked for more amps at 5V than they are designed to provide they could fail by just providing less amps than asked for at 5V, which would be fine but slow. What else could happen is that the voltage provided could start to vary. It could start to take on the characteristics of the AC current it is supposed to be converting to 5V DC. This can hurt your phone.

Moral of the story....the chargers that advertise half the charge time because they offer double the amperage are a scam/false. Just because they can provide up to that amperage doesn't matter, the device determines the actual current being pulled (I.e.--charging time)

[Q] Note 2 should have power 2 AMPERE???

Hi, my phone Note 2 baseband/ firmware is N7100UBALI9, but came with power AC charger USA prong(flat) with output 2 Ampere. All knowledge of electronics, I'm just wondering from a professional user (xda devs) is it safe using/charging regular charger output 0.5A or 1A?? or can degrades something inside the phone's/lifespan? All i know the device such iPad needs more Amperes to charge. Please check/see my charger photo below. I'm apologize my english is not perfect. I'm noob beginner. Thank you very much ,appreciate.

bongbongcong said:
Hi, my phone Note 2 baseband/ firmware is N7100UBALI9, but came with power AC charger USA prong(flat) with output 2 Ampere. All knowledge of electronics, I'm just wondering from a professional user (xda devs) is it safe using/charging regular charger output 0.5A or 1A?? or can degrades something inside the phone's/lifespan? All i know the device such iPad needs more Amperes to charge. Please check/see my charger photo below. I'm apologize my english is not perfect. I'm noob beginner. Thank you very much ,appreciate.
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My charger is 2 amp too (bought it Sweden). My older S2 has a 0.7 amp charger (both standard original chargers). The chargers them self can handle the amps printed on them without breaking or extending the charge time. The chargers are more or less "stupid" power supplies. The electronics in the phone handles the battery charge current. The phone even monitors the battery temp, and the charge current can probably be either aborted or limited based on the temp.
My opinion, based on knowledge as a kind of "advanced" electrician...

Note II is designed for the 2A charger, that's what it needs. You can charge with lower outputs, but it'll take a lot longer to do so.

The amperage of the charger does not affect a phone battery life span. The phone draws the amount of amps needed.
I'm guessing since Samsung provided a 2amp charger, that the note 2 should be drawing that much amps. Any other charger with less amps won't harm it, but rather take longer to charge.
Sent from my SPH-L710 using xda app-developers app

So i will not worry. Thanks because i was not sure if okay or not. Thank you guys. Appreciate your answer.

there is a component in the phone which will limit the flow of max current into the phone like the S2 (450amp and 650amp, iirc the values). changer provides 2amps but phone will draw whatever it is needed. in cases if it allows, 2amps speeds up the charging process.

The phone actually draws 1300mA.

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sianzb0i said:
there is a component in the phone which will limit the flow of max current into the phone like the S2 (450amp and 650amp, iirc the values). changer provides 2amps but phone will draw whatever it is needed. in cases if it allows, 2amps speeds up the charging process.
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hi! do you know how to change those iirc values? the charger provided with my note2 is rated 2A out. but when i charge, this charger generates a lot of heat. i think the heat is wasted current since the phone doesn't accept that much current. i just want to know how can i adjust these values.
thanks!

psycotrompus said:
hi! do you know how to change those iirc values? the charger provided with my note2 is rated 2A out. but when i charge, this charger generates a lot of heat. i think the heat is wasted current since the phone doesn't accept that much current. i just want to know how can i adjust these values.
thanks!
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your charger is converting Alternating Current from your wall socket into Direct Current for your phone. The process isnt 100% efficient.
In PC's theres normally an efficiency rating that tells you how many watts of AC current is required to produce a certain amount of watts of DC current (converting from 110-240V down to 12V). ie. a 90% efficient power supply will draw 1000W of AC from your wall to produce 900W of DC for your PC. the remainder of that energy is lost in the conversion process and is often released as heat and other forms of energy.
same thing is happening in your charger. in the process of converting AC to DC (110-240V down to ~5V), some energy is lost, and some of that lost energy is released as heat. our note 2 can handle 2A of current with no issues, the heat is because our chargers are not 100% efficient in their conversion, not because the phone cant handle the current.

[Info+Q] Optimus G battery

Hi
watch this video to get all info about the Optimus G battery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Q8E5dzyxg&list=PLShKiWbiCfxbiMFDOHnS2Y_2HzAMwsRpI&index=26
Nice tech. I liked the way they managed cpu activities besides all.
My question is that why it takes around 2:30 to charge the phone fully?
According to this: http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/...-charge-10-less-time-charging-more-time-doing
OG benefits from Quick charge 1.0 which should boost charging process. Is it boosted by default? Is 2:30 fast enough for a 2100 mAh battery? or it's something kernel related and should be enabled?

2:45-3:00 its the charging time and its just fine.
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
Sent from my G using Tapatalk Pro

nikos523 said:
2:45-3:00 its the charging time and its just fine.
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
Sent from my G using Tapatalk Pro
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I don't want to ruin my battery bro. I'm just curious to know if other phones with the almost same specifications have similar charging time or not. I mean is this normal or not? Do you know about nexus 4 charging time? or xperia zr? these all have quick charge 1.0 while snapdragon 800 offers quick charge 2.0 and that's why phones like G2 having a battery with more capacity have under 2 hours charging time.

nikos523 said:
You can always use a bigger charger and ruin your battery faster. Or explode..
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Well... Unless you use a charger that sets a current (extremely unlikely), it won't matter a single bit. Just a simple physics... All standard chargers provide stabilized voltage within certain current limits (that's your charger's Amp rating). The phone's battery charging circuit determines the current it draws from a charger. So, even if your bad-ass charger is capable of providing 10A output, your phone will not draw more than it needs when charging, which is about 1A (sorry, I don't know the exact charging current of the OG).

kt-Froggy said:
Well... Unless you use a charger that sets a current (extremely unlikely), it won't matter a single bit. Just a simple physics... All standard chargers provide stabilized voltage within certain current limits (that's your charger's Amp rating). The phone's battery charging circuit determines the current it draws from a charger. So, even if your bad-ass charger is capable of providing 10A output, your phone will not draw more than it needs when charging, which is about 1A (sorry, I don't know the exact charging current of the OG).
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the charging current of OG is 1.2. So, you mean the phone won't be charged faster if one uses a higher voltage charger?

akahroba said:
the charging current of OG is 1.2. So, you mean the phone won't be charged faster if one uses a higher voltage charger?
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If you use a higher voltage charger, you could simply fry your phone -- depends on the actual voltage. The protection circuit may simply shut off the input, or limit the voltage at 5V -- I don't know enough about the OG's schematics. But it should still limit the current at the value it's designed for. Anyway, I wouldn't experiment with that... But if you are talking about higher Amp-rated charger with 5V output, then it won't charge faster, unless the lower-rated charger is actually rated lower than the phone would take. Here, just a couple of examples, assuming 1.2A nominal charging current...
Example #1: 0.7A charger. The phone is trying to suck as much as it needs, but the charger can only supply 700mA. So, it will charge slowly.
Example #2: Stock 1.2A charger. The charger is supplying just what the phone needs, which is 1.2A. So, it will charge faster.
Example #3: 2A charger (or more). The phone will still draw 1.2A, even though the charger is capable of supplying more. So, it will charge at the same speed as with 1.2A charger.
Makes sense?

kt-Froggy said:
If you use a higher voltage charger, you could simply fry your phone -- depends on the actual voltage. The protection circuit may simply shut off the input, or limit the voltage at 5V -- I don't know enough about the OG's schematics. But it should still limit the current at the value it's designed for. Anyway, I wouldn't experiment with that... But if you are talking about higher Amp-rated charger with 5V output, then it won't charge faster, unless the lower-rated charger is actually rated lower than the phone would take. Here, just a couple of examples, assuming 1.2A nominal charging current...
Example #1: 0.7A charger. The phone is trying to suck as much as it needs, but the charger can only supply 700mA. So, it will charge slowly.
Example #2: Stock 1.2A charger. The charger is supplying just what the phone needs, which is 1.2A. So, it will charge faster.
Example #3: 2A charger (or more). The phone will still draw 1.2A, even though the charger is capable of supplying more. So, it will charge at the same speed as with 1.2A charger.
Makes sense?
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Oh, I see. Thanks. But, I don't know about the schematics either. I don't know if the phone has this smartness to draw as much as it needs or just draws as much as given. So, I won't risk either.

akahroba said:
I don't know if the phone has this smartness to draw as much as it needs or just draws as much as given. So, I won't risk either.
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Regardless of particular schematics, a properly designed charging circuit is always drawing the set current from a source. In other words, your phone is definitely smart enough to only take what it needs. Basically, "as much as given" in this context is incorrect statement... A charger "gives" a specific voltage (5VDC for USB-charged devices), and the device "takes" a specific current. So, no matter what the Amp rating of a charger is, it will only give as much juice (Amps) as the device decides to take (within a charger's Amp limit). If a charger can't provide enough current for the device, then you have a problem with slow charge, or no charge at all. But higher Amp-rated chargers are fine. If you have, let's say, a charger from a tablet rated at 2.5A, or a stabilized lab power supply rated at 20A, both of them would be OK to use for charging your OG. The only possible problem in this case could be a defective charging circuit in the phone, which might not limit the current the way it's designed to, and could draw enough from a high-powered charger to kill itself. Low-powered charger would simply not be able to provide a dangerous current, if that happens...
Having said that, I've got quite a zoo of various power supplies laying around, and I used all kinds of them rated up to 30Amp to charge different devices. Never had any problems.

Having said that, I've got quite a zoo of various power supplies laying around, and I used all kinds of them rated up to 30Amp to charge different devices. Never had any problems.
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and you've never seen any acceleration in charging time? So, it's just a common mistake that people say higher Amp-rated charger results in faster charge?

E977 battery difference?!
look at these two screenshots. one of them is E977 (in Spanish) and the battery is written to be SiO Lithium-ion. (SiO+ is used in G2)
the other is for E975 and the battery is written to be Lithium-Polymer.
Are these two the same?! Or this is an improvement made in hardware revision 1.2?

akahroba said:
and you've never seen any acceleration in charging time? So, it's just a common mistake that people say higher Amp-rated charger results in faster charge?
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As I said before, it really depends what exact Amp ratings you are comparing... If a charger is rated lower that a phone's charging circuit, it will certainly underperform, and will charge slowly. But if your charger's rating matches or exceeds the charging current required by phone, then it makes no difference.
I personally don't have an OG stock charger, so I don't have any experience using a charger rated specifically at 1.2A. I only have USB chargers rated at 700mA, 850mA, 1A and 2A. Plus, an assortment of other power supplies rated anywhere from 2A to 30A. Of course, I do see a faster charging when going from 700mA charger to 1A, and then to 2A, because the first two are under-rated compared to the phone's specs. However, once I go with 2A or the higher rated power sources, there's no difference at all.
Hope that explains it.

kt-Froggy said:
As I said before, it really depends what exact Amp ratings you are comparing... If a charger is rated lower that a phone's charging circuit, it will certainly underperform, and will charge slowly. But if your charger's rating matches or exceeds the charging current required by phone, then it makes no difference.
I personally don't have an OG stock charger, so I don't have any experience using a charger rated specifically at 1.2A. I only have USB chargers rated at 700mA, 850mA, 1A and 2A. Plus, an assortment of other power supplies rated anywhere from 2A to 30A. Of course, I do see a faster charging when going from 700mA charger to 1A, and then to 2A, because the first two are under-rated compared to the phone's specs. However, once I go with 2A or the higher rated power sources, there's no difference at all.
Hope that explains it.
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Yes, the last sentence clarified it. Thanks alot mate.

[Q] htc charger... quick help please

need a quick help here. i accidentally left my charger at work overnight, and someone decided that its his/her's now ....ive searched around and cant find place to buy the original charger that came with the m8. HTC's website doesnt have it. amazon doesnt. even ebay dont carry it.
i need of a charger. currently using a LG G2 charger thats rated 1.8a 5v .....but with a super slow cable.
is the LG charger okay to use? will it damage my m8 in the long run?
i am also buying this cable on amazon. buy or dont buy?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Universal-5-Feet-Charging-Smartphones/dp/B009OP8KCM/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1401167720&sr=8-1&keywords=quick+charge+micro+usb+cable
yes, i know there is a quickcharge 2.0 coming out. seeing as the cable is only $5 ...im thinking it will do for now.
thanks in advance

HTC charger outputs 5V and 1.5A. As long as output voltage is same, you can use different chargers. Ampere value just affects charging time. Higher ampere means faster charge. In long term, it can shorten your battery's life, but I don't think 0.3A can cause an observable affect

D0GuKaN said:
HTC charger outputs 5V and 1.5A. As long as output voltage is same, you can use different chargers. Ampere value just affects charging time. Higher ampere means faster charge. In long term, it can shorten your battery's life, but I don't think 0.3A can cause an observable affect
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thanks. ordering now

simpl3lang said:
thanks. ordering now
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I use all sorts of chargers. They are pretty much standard now as far as micro usb goes. As said some are higher rated some are lower. I don't think there is any that will damage the phone as long as its designed for charging and is 5v.

I too use multiple chargers and cables and the only issue I've had is a double length cable that works for charging but won't allow connections to the pc
XDA app on m8 running venom

I charger capable of delivering more current will not damage your phone since the phone won't draw more current than it wants.