Hi, as stated, I need a bit of help understanding what's involved when Knox is tripped after rooting. I want to root my Note 4 (Verizon) but all the methods I've found will trip Knox. From what I understand after Knox has been tripped, Samsung will know you rooted and there for will void the warranty. Well that's easy to understand, but what about insurance I have with Verizon? Let's say I drop my phone and break the screen while it's rooted (meaning Knox has been tripped) and I take it to Verizon and pay the $100 or so deductible to fix/replace my phone. Will they also look at Knox and potentially say "No, Knox was tripped." I just want to better understand the situation I would be in when/if I trip Knox because I'm a huge phone person and not having my device rooted is killing me. I feel like there is half of a phone I'm not using. Thanks in advance guys!
Aerosys said:
Hi, as stated, I need a bit of help understanding what's involved when Knox is tripped after rooting. I want to root my Note 4 (Verizon) but all the methods I've found will trip Knox. From what I understand after Knox has been tripped, Samsung will know you rooted and there for will void the warranty. Well that's easy to understand, but what about insurance I have with Verizon? Let's say I drop my phone and break the screen while it's rooted (meaning Knox has been tripped) and I take it to Verizon and pay the $100 or so deductible to fix/replace my phone. Will they also look at Knox and potentially say "No, Knox was tripped." I just want to better understand the situation I would be in when/if I trip Knox because I'm a huge phone person and not having my device rooted is killing me. I feel like there is half of a phone I'm not using. Thanks in advance guys!
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Most important question. ..Do you have a VZW Developers Edition that you bought straight from Samsung? They only have a 30day warranty. Tripping KNOX is really not that important to DE owners. Asurion insurance will not replace a DE with a DE if claimed for damage. If you bought the phone from Verizon or any other retailer...you have a "Retail" device ....currently no root for Retail Devices..
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I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
Aerosys said:
I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
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Retail has no root for vzw and att cf auto don't work either only DE
Aerosys said:
I have retail. And I've seen root methods for select retail including Verizon, Sprint and T-mobile. Must not work anymore or something. And I just want to make sure if Knox is tripped my insurance with Asurion is still okay.
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Never has been root for retail VZW Note 4......only for DE. No root makes it really hard to trip KNOX... No unlocked bootloader means no custom recovery. so no flashing to trip KNOX. Flashing a custom recovery (on unlockable phones) always trios KNOX now. Sprint and T-mobile have unlockabke bootloaders....ATT and Verizon are locked.
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Hi all
Quick inquiry and I didn't see an exact answer to a question that I have. So I have a note 3 rooted and knox flag currently set to 0x0. I was reading I think on here and some other fourms that knox has locked the bootloader. I want to flash a custom recovery and I know it will trip the knox flag. Is the bootloader locked already or am I able to load custom recovery without any issue?
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
jinda628 said:
Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
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Well, from where we are right now with the Knox counter, if you flash ANY ROM or Kernel, then the Knox will trip, and will void your warranty. You can root using Root de la vega, or Kingo root without tripping the Knox counter.
I am not sure from a T-Mobile standing if they will give you a hard time with warranty if the Knox is 0x1. I have tripped my Knox counter, and have Jump also, but I honestly don't care. I am sure that SOMEHOW in the future we will be able to reset the Knox counter....I hope anyways.
Did that answer your question?
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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I have note 3 with tmobile. Thanks for the help
idtheftvictim said:
Did that answer your question?
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Yes you did! Thanks a lot. Important thing is at least I can root. I think I'll be happy with the stock TW, I'll just install some launcher instead.
But I need root for TB and other stuff.
Thanks!
Hi all,
I'm heading over from the Evo4g finally. After tearing through these forums, I wanted to confirm what I've been reading. My plan is to throw TWRP on the phone and try out a couple of roms.
From what I have read, installing TWRP will trip the KNOX flag no matter what method is used. Correct?
I bought this device off craigslist and it is fully paid off. I don't have any sort of warranty on it. It doesn't seem like tripping this flag matters in any way to me whatsoever. Is there anything I cannot do with the phone or with t-mobile service after tripping it, or is it purely a warranty thing?
Thanks
If the phone isn't warrantied you can do what you want.
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Correct, flashing a custom recovery will trip the flag no matter what. The only thing that won't work afterwards is the Knox security container, which most people want gone anyways.
That's what I was hoping. Thanks.
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
t3tr1s_ said:
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
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Knox isn't really for T-mobile to detect root/custom firmware but for Samsung warranty. A fair amount of people on here have stated that they still sent their phones in to Sammy for warranty and they still got their phones fixed. T-mobile really only look for cracked screens, water damage and that the phone powers on and boots up. Not to say you'll never have an issue but i would say it's not really that big of a deal to trip the Knox counter. Especially if you bought the insurance like Asurion. I don't think they even care if your rooted and ROM'd
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
t3tr1s_ said:
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
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On the old 4.3 firmware yes you can root with Root De La Vega and not trip the Knox counter but once you put ANY custom recovery it will trip the counter. Now on the OTA 4.4.2 that was released on Wednesday, the only 2 current ways to root (TWRP or Philz CWM) will trip the Knox counter no matter what. So until something comes out like an updated ROOT De La Vega, there's no way to even root without tripping the Knox counter.
Also from what i read, RDLV isn't being developed anymore so unless they decide to do something with it for the all the 4.4.2 releases hitting phones these days there may not be anything for a bit to root without tripping knox.
Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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That is true for 4.3 but so far you can't on 4.4 from everything I have seen. Do you now of a way to not trip knox on 4.4?
Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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Did I miss something? Is there a way to Root 4.4.2 without tripping Knox? I don't care I've tripped Knox the first night i had my N3 but I didn't think there was a way. Kningo and RDLV i thought borked the phones and caused bootloops.
My t-mobile store says that if you root your phone then it voids your warranty, so obviously they won't allow me to upgrade... So I know they check for it.. How is it you guys have stores where they don't seem to care?
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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If your baseband is NB4 or NE6 you can use "Towelroot" for rooting
otherwise if your baseband is NF1 or NF4 Towelroot will not work.
Towelroot will not trip knox.
If you flash any custom recovery knox will get triggered
but so far no one lost their warranty due to triggering knox.
Without custom recovery you will not be able to flash any
custom roms.
Good luck!
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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You can use your insurance even with knox tripping. It only voids your samsung warranty, not your insurance. Just an fyi.
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my friend tmobile insurance doesnt care if you have knox trip off
either way you pay one 175 for a new note or screen fix we so i dont matter if you damage the phone or the system
Thanks towelroot worked great with my NB4 baseband..and my needed app works great as well.
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Just use The EffortLess Way to root NF4 without tripping KNOX!
My understanding is that the retail verizon wireless edition (non-DE) of this phone can still be rooted. But you will trip knox, thus voiding warranty. I also understand you don't have an unlocked bootloader either.
I don't care about warranty, but I do want root. My question then becomes about future updates. If knox is tripped, can I still get to lollipop when it is released. I know I would probably loose root again at that point, but I live in the hope that eventually that too will get rooted (I know it may be vain hope, but still).
If my phone is rooted, will it block me from ever getting lollipop? Because without a bootloader, I can't put lollipop on through a custom rom either.
So, for someone who absolutely doesn't care about warranty issues, is root still a bad idea?
Thanks
nertskull said:
My understanding is that the retail verizon wireless edition (non-DE) of this phone can still be rooted. But you will trip knox, thus voiding warranty. I also understand you don't have an unlocked bootloader either.
I don't care about warranty, but I do want root. My question then becomes about future updates. If knox is tripped, can I still get to lollipop when it is released. I know I would probably loose root again at that point, but I live in the hope that eventually that too will get rooted (I know it may be vain hope, but still).
If my phone is rooted, will it block me from ever getting lollipop? Because without a bootloader, I can't put lollipop on through a custom rom either.
So, for someone who absolutely doesn't care about warranty issues, is root still a bad idea?
Thanks
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There is currently no known root method for the retail VZW Note 4.
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There is currently no known root method for the retail VZW Note 4.
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Interesting, I read somewhere you can root it still, but it will just trip knox. Maybe they were wrong.
I'm seriously struggling pulling the trigger on buying this without root. But I don't care about warranty.
nertskull said:
Interesting, I read somewhere you can root it still, but it will just trip knox. Maybe they were wrong.
I'm seriously struggling pulling the trigger on buying this without root. But I don't care about warranty.
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Nothing yet. It's a nice phone but if you need root go for the DE edition. I can live without root, it would be nice but it's not a big deal to me. I have other rooted phones I can mess with if I want.
nertskull said:
Interesting, I read somewhere you can root it still, but it will just trip knox. Maybe they were wrong.
I'm seriously struggling pulling the trigger on buying this without root. But I don't care about warranty.
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This phone is great as is. I personally would not let no root stop me from getting this phone. But its up to you.
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