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Note 4 Developer Edition for Verizon

Alright guys anybody know if they are going to have a note 4 developer edition for verizon? I know it is earlier as i leaked the note 3 developer edition last year to Droid-life seen here (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/1...outs-verizon-galaxy-note-3-developer-edition/)
I know this wasnt found by myself until October 11th and i think the note 3 came out on verizon on October 10th? Just wondering if anybody has some inside on the note 4 developer edition.
Do not need your opinions that it is a waste of money or etc etc i am buying off contract and will own a developer edition just wondering if i should preorder a note 4 like i did note 3 and then return the note to verizon when dev comes out

I hope for Germany too.
oneandroidnut said:
Alright guys anybody know if they are going to have a note 4 developer edition for verizon? I know it is earlier as i leaked the note 3 developer edition last year to Droid-life seen here (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/1...outs-verizon-galaxy-note-3-developer-edition/)
I know this wasnt found by myself until October 11th and i think the note 3 came out on verizon on October 10th? Just wondering if anybody has some inside on the note 4 developer edition.
Do not need your opinions that it is a waste of money or etc etc i am buying off contract and will own a developer edition just wondering if i should preorder a note 4 like i did note 3 and then return the note to verizon when dev comes out
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Good questions.

oneandroidnut said:
Alright guys anybody know if they are going to have a note 4 developer edition for verizon? I know it is earlier as i leaked the note 3 developer edition last year to Droid-life seen here (http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/1...outs-verizon-galaxy-note-3-developer-edition/)
I know this wasnt found by myself until October 11th and i think the note 3 came out on verizon on October 10th? Just wondering if anybody has some inside on the note 4 developer edition.
Do not need your opinions that it is a waste of money or etc etc i am buying off contract and will own a developer edition just wondering if i should preorder a note 4 like i did note 3 and then return the note to verizon when dev comes out
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feifelm1983 said:
Good questions.
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Questions belong in the Q&A thread - thanks!

Dev Note 4
Hope so. I would rather have a dev. phone than be locked to VZW's ROMs with all the crapware installed.
Put me down for one if that happens, or does anyone want to sell their Note 3 Dev. cheap?

If there's no Note 4 Dev. Ed., I'll pick up the Nexus Shamu. I won't really miss the stylus, but the camera with OIS would be nice to have.

By the time the DE comes out, the retail phone should be rooted and have a custom recovery.

if you think that, you dont know samsung and verizon. The verizon samsung phones have even more protection in the bootloader, heck the s4 and s5 arent even unlocked yet, and they are very popular.

bamige1 said:
if you think that, you dont know samsung and verizon. The verizon samsung phones have even more protection in the bootloader, heck the s4 and s5 arent even unlocked yet, and they are very popular.
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I do not expect it to be unlocked only to be able to use SS for recovery and ROM flashing

zsudas said:
Hope so. I would rather have a dev. phone than be locked to VZW's ROMs with all the crapware installed.
Put me down for one if that happens, or does anyone want to sell their Note 3 Dev. cheap?
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Doubt any cheap note 3 dev ed. I sold mine few weeks back for $595 still lol was pretty much mint though with tons of extras

oneandroidnut said:
Doubt any cheap note 3 dev ed. I sold mine few weeks back for $595 still lol was pretty much mint though with tons of extras
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Wow, that's insane. I wonder how much I can get for mine. It's not mint (I picked up a tiny, tiny scratch in the bottom left hand side of the screen somehow even though I'm insanely careful), but it's close. I was just hoping to get $400, but now I'm wondering if I can get a tad more.

SeanPlunk said:
Wow, that's insane. I wonder how much I can get for mine. It's not mint (I picked up a tiny, tiny scratch in the bottom left hand side of the screen somehow even though I'm insanely careful), but it's close. I was just hoping to get $400, but now I'm wondering if I can get a tad more.
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yeah i was overall pleased with that. probably had $800 ish wrapped up in it and use for two years and only lose $200 not bad imo and yours a dev ed too?

oneandroidnut said:
yeah i was overall pleased with that. probably had $800 ish wrapped up in it and use for two years and only lose $200 not bad imo and yours a dev ed too?
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Yep, Dev. Edition

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Yep, Dev. Edition
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Sweet sell it for note 4!

Has anyone heard anything about it.....

Where does one sell such phones besides ebay? I tried to sell my dev s5 on Craig's list but keep getting scammers

ct_tec313 said:
Has anyone heard anything about it.....
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no sir i ordered a regular one at verizon saturday
johnboy693 said:
Where does one sell such phones besides ebay? I tried to sell my dev s5 on Craig's list but keep getting scammers
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try swappa.com man

with the up coming changes to android 5.0 rooting android phones on verizon might be a thing of the past

In a nutshell can you guys tell me what advantage the developers edition will give versus buying it from Verizon?

windstrings said:
In a nutshell can you guys tell me what advantage the developers edition will give versus buying it from Verizon?
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advantages are unlocked bootloader so you get custom roms from other carriers, kernels etc thats really it. backup and restore with twrp too i guess

windstrings said:
In a nutshell can you guys tell me what advantage the developers edition will give versus buying it from Verizon?
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The Note 3 Developers Edition had an unlocked bootloader. Necessary if you want to install a custom kernel. So far as have read, no developer edition has been announced for the Note 4. Indeed, predictions seem to be that it will be locked down very tightly.

Developer Edition Note 4 Vs. Droid Turbo

Dear Fellow XDA Members,
I am in need of your expertise and opinion on the following issues.
With the recent announcement of the Droid Turbo I have been very excited about the phone and its hardware and software have been executed well. However I have heard reports of a so so camera and screen being an issue in the sun and not being as accurate as the note 4's as Samsung is using newer screen technology whereas the turbo has the amoled similar to the old s4.
1. Overall do you think the note 4 is better in terms of what it offers from a hardware perspective and its features?
2. Now that the developer edition is available a lot of the excess bloatware can be removed is it more worthwhile to get the note 4?
3. How close of a stock experience can you get on the Note 4?
4. Video and Picture comparison thoughts on this for Note 4 vs Turbo?
5. Can the Turbo's moto specific apps be ported to the Note 4?
6. Please if you could explain why you think one is worth getting over the other. I know screen size on the turbo is at a much more manageable size for one handed use. (I can currently use the note 2 with one hand [my hands are pretty big haha] although i have dropped it a lot and a smaller form factor is appealing)
7. Any advice that you have for me to help me make a decision would be appreciated.
Thank you very much for your time to respond to my questions. I have rooted and unlocked boot loaders in the past but its been almost a year and a half since I was last able to check up on any of these things. I am not sure how much the process has changed, hopefully it hasn't gotten too complicated.
Sincerely,
Charlie

Ok. I am moving from G3, and I did EXTENSIVE research on this. I read every thing on the internet and spent a few hours on both. The one thing the Turbo has, which totally killed it for me was the screen. The note 4 was unbelievably sharp and beautiful...so was the turbo...but the turbo on max broghtbess is about half of note 4. Outside it was horrible. If you lived in a closet with no Windows or light all day, it would be ok. Man they really made an error there. Wireless charging was a factor, but I saw the note has qi back plates coming, so that's good now. The capacitive buttons were a bummer for me,as we'll as the screen size. I'm use to biggernow

I have both and I appreciate both devices for different things. The turbos battery is not as great as advertised but still gets 13-14 hours with moderate to heavy use. The turbo charger doesn't charge as fast as the note charger in my opinion. If you want the overall feature experience, then the note 4 is the way to go with tiny lags here and there. The turbo is just a more turbo charged moto x with just moto voice as its main feature and bigger battery. Touchwiz does get boring but so does pure android. The overall better phone is the note 4 but the turbo can be the underdog in this note 4, nexus 6 comparison.
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big70tom said:
Ok. I am moving from G3, and I did EXTENSIVE research on this. I read every thing on the internet and spent a few hours on both. The one thing the Turbo has, which totally killed it for me was the screen. The note 4 was unbelievably sharp and beautiful...so was the turbo...but the turbo on max broghtbess is about half of note 4. Outside it was horrible. If you lived in a closet with no Windows or light all day, it would be ok. Man they really made an error there. Wireless charging was a factor, but I saw the note has qi back plates coming, so that's good now. The capacitive buttons were a bummer for me,as we'll as the screen size. I'm use to biggernow
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I agree with everything you have said. Do you have the developer edition? I don't really care so much for wireless charging but having a good camera and snappy phone is what I am looking for I am really sick of the lag on the note 2 and I am looking to remove as much bloat as I can again I don't know how this will effect the the phone when Lollipop comes out.

thanks for the reply
daboyal006 said:
I have both and I appreciate both devices for different things. The turbos battery is not as great as advertised but still gets 13-14 hours with moderate to heavy use. The turbo charger doesn't charge as fast as the note charger in my opinion. If you want the overall feature experience, then the note 4 is the way to go with tiny lags here and there. The turbo is just a more turbo charged moto x with just moto voice as its main feature and bigger battery. Touchwiz does get boring but so does pure android. The overall better phone is the note 4 but the turbo can be the underdog in this note 4, nexus 6 comparison.
Sent From My VZW Note 4 POW!
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Do you know if moto voice can be ported to Note 4 Dev edition? I personally think the nexus 6 took it too far with the size at least for me.

LightCCB said:
I agree with everything you have said. Do you have the developer edition? I don't really care so much for wireless charging but having a good camera and snappy phone is what I am looking for I am really sick of the lag on the note 2 and I am looking to remove as much bloat as I can again I don't know how this will effect the the phone when Lollipop comes out.
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I have the Note 4 Developer Edition. Out of the box it is exactly the same phone as a retail version...all the same bloat. Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery (which we have), root (which many of us have done) and debloat and flash ROMs (none available right now). It is a great phone!!! If you buy a Developer Edition you need to be aware that Samsung, if they treat the Note 4 Developer Edition like all of their previous Developer Edition phones, will never release an update. So, when Lollipop comes out the Developer Edition phones will not get it via an OTA or a Samsung released firmware file. You'll have to wait for the development community to modify the official OTA and release a ROM that is Lollipop based and safe to flash on the Developer Edition. Having been the owner of two previous Developer Edition phones, both Samsung, that usually doesn't take the development community long to do that. Hope this helps.

thanks for the reply
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I have the Note 4 Developer Edition. Out of the box it is exactly the same phone as a retail version...all the same bloat. Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery (which we have), root (which many of us have done) and debloat and flash ROMs (none available right now). It is a great phone!!! If you buy a Developer Edition you need to be aware that Samsung, if they treat the Note 4 Developer Edition like all of their previous Developer Edition phones, will never release an update. So, when Lollipop comes out the Developer Edition phones will not get it via an OTA or a Samsung released firmware file. You'll have to wait for the development community to modify the official OTA and release a ROM that is Lollipop based and safe to flash on the Developer Edition. Having been the owner of two previous Developer Edition phones, both Samsung, that usually doesn't take the development community long to do that. Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the quick reply JP,
Can you make it close to stock Android and is there a way to port the always listening feature on the turbo or did they use a special chip for that (it seems pretty awesome)! Or is there an app that mimics the function without destroying battery life. I seem pretty confident I will get a note 4 Motorola is almost there but not yet Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions!
Also we root --> then unlock bootloader and install custom recovery ---> then flash a debloated rom?

LightCCB said:
Thanks for the quick reply JP,
Can you make it close to stock Android and is there a way to port the always listening feature on the turbo or did they use a special chip for that (it seems pretty awesome)! Or is there an app that mimics the function without destroying battery life. I seem pretty confident I will get a note 4 Motorola is almost there but not yet Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions!
Also we root --> then unlock bootloader and install custom recovery ---> then flash a debloated rom?
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Yeah, you can, but it is always going to be TouchWiz and most ROMs will be TouchWiz ROMs because AOSP ROMs just simply aren't ready for primetime yet. But, I've used some TouchWiz based ROMs that look and alot like AOSP. And, I don't care what anyone says, TouchWiz based ROMs work better on a Samsung phone than do AOSP ROMS. After you've installed TWRP and root you can debloat to your hearts content as long as you have a backup.
The correct sequene is: Odin TWRP to get the custom recovery, in custom recovery flash SuperSU, reboot. You now have TWRP recovery and rooted. Go to the Android Development Section for a more complete discussion and download links.

jpcalhoun said:
I have the Note 4 Developer Edition. Out of the box it is exactly the same phone as a retail version...all the same bloat. Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery (which we have), root (which many of us have done) and debloat and flash ROMs (none available right now). It is a great phone!!! If you buy a Developer Edition you need to be aware that Samsung, if they treat the Note 4 Developer Edition like all of their previous Developer Edition phones, will never release an update. So, when Lollipop comes out the Developer Edition phones will not get it via an OTA or a Samsung released firmware file. You'll have to wait for the development community to modify the official OTA and release a ROM that is Lollipop based and safe to flash on the Developer Edition. Having been the owner of two previous Developer Edition phones, both Samsung, that usually doesn't take the development community long to do that. Hope this helps.
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You say "Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader".
How does one unlock the bootloader? If I remember correctly on my S5 DE the bootloader comes unlocked from the factory and If one inadvertently locks it they are just out of luck! You cannot unlock a Samsung bootloader and Samsung will not unlock it for you.
I hope I am wrong about this and you tell me how to unlock the bootloader on my S5 DE and the Note 4 DE I have coming tomorrow incase I inadvertently lock this one also.
Samsung gave me a runaround about unlocking it on my S5 and it never happened...but by then the regular S5 had root so it did not matter so much.
I do hope I have to admit how stupid I am on this subject.

I also had a Development Edition S5. You unlock the bootloader on both the same way, ODIN a TWRP recovery. That's it. Then you can root. Go to the Android Development Section and see a more step by step and download links.

jpcalhoun said:
I also had a Development Edition S5. You unlock the bootloader on both the same way, ODIN a TWRP recovery. That's it. Then you can root. Go to the Android Development Section and see a more step by step and download links.
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The reason you can ODIN a TWRP recovery is because you have a unlocked bootloader. The reason you cannot do this on a standard N4 is the bootloader is locked!

scallawag said:
The reason you can ODIN a TWRP recovery is because you have a unlocked bootloader. The reason you cannot do this on a standard N4 is the bootloader is locked!
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If you're asking a question, your statement is correct. You cannot unlock the bootloader on a Retail S5 or Retain Note. All you have to do for the Development Edition S5 and Note 4 is use ODIN to flash the TWRP .tar file and flash SuperSu in TWRP recovery.

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If you're asking a question, your statement is correct. You cannot unlock the bootloader on a Retail S5 or Retain Note. All you have to do for the Development Edition S5 and Note 4 is use ODIN to flash the TWRP .tar file and flash SuperSu in TWRP recovery.
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Thats correct but you are missing the point that you don't want to let people believe you can unlock a bootloader that can't be unlocked once it is locked. If anyone really believes the bootloader can be unlocked on the N4 then have them flash the retail rom. Flashing the retail rom will lock the bootloader. Then have them try and use ODIN to flash TWRP. Believe me it wont unlock the bootloader. BTW: The retail rom can be found in this forum.
I would not try this you might just end up with a retail N4 and a DE box

I'm not missing the point, its hard to determine what your point is. I never said anything about unlocking a Retail phone. You're all over the board with this thread. Go read the Android Development Section.

jpcalhoun said:
I'm not missing the point, its hard to determine what your point is. I never said anything about unlocking a Retail phone. You're all over the board with this thread. Go read the Android Development Section.
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You are correct again you did not say anything about unlocking a retail phone what you said was.
"Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery"
The fact is a DE can not have its bootloader unlocked!
It comes with an unlocked bootloader.
That is a BIG difference.

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You are correct again you did not say anything about unlocking a retail phone what you said was.
"Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery"
The fact is a DE can not have its bootloader unlocked!
It comes with an unlocked bootloader.
That is a BIG difference.
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Ok fine. We have a difference in symantics. I give up, LOL.

scallawag said:
You are correct again you did not say anything about unlocking a retail phone what you said was.
"Of course the distinguishing difference is the ability to unlock the bootloader and install a custom recovery"
The fact is a DE can not have its bootloader unlocked!
It comes with an unlocked bootloader.
That is a BIG difference.
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Ok fine. We have a difference in symantics. I give up, LOL.
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well this escalated quickly

LightCCB said:
well this escalated quickly
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Yeah, if someone wasn't confused before reading this thread they probably are now, LOL. I just hope readers/users understand that the retail version has a locked bootloader and cannot accept a custom recovery or be rooted, yet, and the developer edition has an unlocked bootloader (from the factory) and can accept a custom recovery which then allows them to root their phone.

If the unlocking mechanism is the same as previous Developer Edition devices (related to eMMC CID), it is possible to upgrade the device to the latest OTA/Retail release, and maintain an unlocked bootloader. Once I get the opportunity to test this, I will release instructions for this process once I can confirm it works and is safe, but I'm 99% sure it'll work. Very benign and simple actually.

ryanbg said:
If the unlocking mechanism is the same as previous Developer Edition devices (related to eMMC CID), it is possible to upgrade the device to the latest OTA/Retail release, and maintain an unlocked bootloader. Once I get the opportunity to test this, I will release instructions for this process once I can confirm it works and is safe, but I'm 99% sure it'll work. Very benign and simple actually.
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no will not work

[Q] Note 4 or Note 4 Developer Edition?

Hello all,
I am fine with either, although I do plan on rooting and installing a custom rom on the note 4 (that is when one comes out?)
I am just concerned that the Verizon Note 4 will be better in the long run, rather than the Developer Edition. I assume the Verizon variant will get more future support.
BUT I think just the Developer Edition has been rooted at the moment.
So any input to which device I should get?

Not sure this is even a debate. There is a reasonable chance the retail version will never even get rooted, and if it does on 4.4.4 there is not guarantee that the root will stick with an upgrade to 5.0.

hiddenfive said:
Hello all,
I am fine with either, although I do plan on rooting and installing a custom rom on the note 4 (that is when one comes out?)
I am just concerned that the Verizon Note 4 will be better in the long run, rather than the Developer Edition. I assume the Verizon variant will get more future support.
BUT I think just the Developer Edition has been rooted at the moment.
So any input to which device I should get?
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I think you answered your own question. If you want a custom recovery and root then you're going to have to go to the Developer Edition. If I had to bet, I'd say that root for the Retail version is not going to happen. To add to that frustration for retail owners, Lollipop will come along and that very well make it even harder to find a root exploit for the DE, no one knows about Lollipop yet.

I voted with my wallet and bought the DE.
It sounds like you've got a pretty good grasp of the situation. One thing that I'd throw in is that I'm not at all worried about not getting official support from Verizon. Every Android phone I've ever has has been rooted within minutes of getting it and I have never once taken an OTA update from Verizon. I've always been able to update through ROM releases much quicker than Verizon releases official OTA updates.
One other thing I should throw in though on the side of getting the consumer edition, the warranty will be longer. I believe the DE only comes with a 30 day warranty.
If you're interested, EMSPilot has already released a custom ROM for the DE.

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I voted with my wallet and bought the DE.
It sounds like you've got a pretty good grasp of the situation. One thing that I'd throw in is that I'm not at all worried about not getting official support from Verizon. Every Android phone I've ever has has been rooted within minutes of getting it and I have never once taken an OTA update from Verizon. I've always been able to update through ROM releases much quicker than Verizon releases official OTA updates.
One other thing I should throw in though on the side of getting the consumer edition, the warranty will be longer. I believe the DE only comes with a 30 day warranty.
If you're interested, EMSPilot has already released a custom ROM for the DE.
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And FireKat is coming as well...

Nougat

Google has announced the releasing of nougat. Will it come to our N920A?

Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.

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Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.
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Yea, i know.. maybe we'll get two times lucky.. like my phone before this, xperia z1, still on jellybean when i first bought it, never been dreaming it would be upgraded more than kitkat, and now, it's running lollipop 5.1.1..

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Yea, i know.. maybe we'll get two times lucky.. like my phone before this, xperia z1, still on jellybean when i first bought it, never been dreaming it would be upgraded more than kitkat, and now, it's running lollipop 5.1.1..
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That's Sony, this is Samsung. To different companies out with different point of views, one more tio the people the other is all about money. Not saying we won't but It's not a high chance.

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That's Sony, this is Samsung. To different companies out with different point of views, one more tio the people the other is all about money. Not saying we won't but It's not a high chance.
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Still hope nougat will hit us, and for root access as well, as i just upgrade my note5 to the latest MM , BPG1.. In this case i really disappointed to myself, why i upgrade it, as i live not in the US region, because i read in other thread, you said there's root access for our note 5 but only for 5.1.1 although it's still pain in the ass..

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Still hope nougat will hit us, and for root access as well, as i just upgrade my note5 to the latest MM , BPG1.. In this case i really disappointed to myself, why i upgrade it, as i live not in the US region, because i read in other thread, you said there's root access for our note 5 but only for 5.1.1 although it's still pain in the ass..
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Full root on lollipop was a huge luck strike. Root for marshmallow if ever will take a while if at all and if N comes even longer. Best to just stay away from AT&T phones for good, I'm moving to international Note 7 once released for octa version and root.

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Full root on lollipop was a huge luck strike. Root for marshmallow if ever will take a while if at all and if N comes even longer. Best to just stay away from AT&T phones for good, I'm moving to international Note 7 once released for octa version and root.
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Good idea man.. same here but not note7, looking for huawei mate 8 or higher.. maybe lg v20 or if must samsung, waiting for s8, it's gonna be 6gb ram

Where's there a full root for lollipop on the note 5 att??

And Note7 Sprint version was already had root acces.. long live at&t..

If we drop a candy bar on our Note 5, we might get some Nougat on it.

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Probably not since the note 7 is out, we got lucky to get marshmallow.
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Marshmallow? My AT&T Note 5 is still on lollipop 5.1.1. I check for updates all the time and it always says I'm on the latest version.
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miscrap1 said:
Marshmallow? My AT&T Note 5 is still on lollipop 5.1.1. I check for updates all the time and it always says I'm on the latest version.
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Maybe you live outside US region? If so, you have to flash the firmware yourself like i did..

redklaver said:
Maybe you live outside US region? If so, you have to flash the firmware yourself like i did..
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Nope, the US of A.
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Google has announced the releasing of nougat. Will it come to our N920A?
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Questions belong in the Help section, not General.
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We were not "lucky" to get MM on the Note 5, Samsung has had no issue supporting the Note 5 and S6 series with MM since they were flagship phones. If you look at the history of Samsung's support for the previous gen phones, I'm confident they will support N for the Note 5 and S6 series unless something comes up that's significant enough for them of all companies to say no. I'd say you have a reasonable expectation to see N on the now previous gen Samsung's. I love my S7 edge though

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We were not "lucky" to get MM on the Note 5, Samsung has had no issue supporting the Note 5 and S6 series with MM since they were flagship phones. If you look at the history of Samsung's support for the previous gen phones, I'm confident they will support N for the Note 5 and S6 series unless something comes up that's significant enough for them of all companies to say no. I'd say you have a reasonable expectation to see N on the now previous gen Samsung's. I love my S7 edge though
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If we get Android N it will probly be Aug or Sept of 2017 Samsung will drag its feet and AT&T will really take it's sweet time releasing it

It's not Samsung you have to be worried about, it's AT&T not finding and releasing.

Agreed, Samsung has even committed to providing the monthly security updates to the providers as soon as possible, and even AT&T has been a bit quicker in releasing those. Granted security patches are pretty easy to scan over and verify they won't screw with the AT&T side of things, but a whole new OS upgrade is definitely another story for carriers so they don't brick phones or cause software glitches because of their modifications to the firmware. Thats one thing I do like about Apple, no carrier specific software, they need to do that with Android, since pretty much all of the carrier apps are on the Play Store, and if they aren't well, I say f you to the carriers and their garbage modifications anyways, hence why I flashed the unlocked firmware to my S7 edge.

And beta avalible in Korea
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/10/11/samsung-galaxy-nougat-update-info-2016/

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Go to best buy and have the Samsung associate update your phone to 6.0. Did mine yesterday and couldn't be happier. My note 5 is more snappier and responsive
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touchwiz based nougat ?

This morning I got a message from Verizon advertising two new (to Verizon anyway) models, a LG k20(no misprint) and a Samsung galaxy j7 (wtf are these things lol) they are actually economy models of both manufacturers which really isn't important. What is important is both boasted nougat api. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get tw nougat port for the note 4 . if its being launched on there 99$ phone it must be out for the flagships.

Supposedly there's a rumor of a nougat update in the works for the note 4. Whether it's just a test build and if it'll ever see the light of day is up for speculation, but we might get lucky and get our hands on a leak. The note 5 is set to receive nougat though so that's probably our best bet for a TW nougat option.

kabuk1 said:
Supposedly there's a rumor of a nougat update in the works for the note 4. Whether it's just a test build and if it'll ever see the light of day is up for speculation, but we might get lucky and get our hands on a leak. The note 5 is set to receive nougat though so that's probably our best bet for a TW nougat option.
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I hope you're right and just based on the fact that they had to recall the Note 7, I hope they'd throw us a bone and develop 7.1/7.1.2 for us I could understand if they didn't go further than THAT (i.e. Android 8). I mean, us Note 4 users didn't have any real update options for current year models on the Galaxy Note line when our 2 years was up. I wonder if somehow getting a petition going would help at all, but who knows how many Note 4's are still out there in use. My mom also has one, I've got at least one coworker that had one, I'm not sure if she still does or not.

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JOSHSKORN said:
I hope you're right and just based on the fact that they had to recall the Note 7, I hope they'd throw us a bone and develop 7.1/7.1.2 for us I could understand if they didn't go further than THAT (i.e. Android 8). I mean, us Note 4 users didn't have any real update options for current year models on the Galaxy Note line when our 2 years was up. I wonder if somehow getting a petition going would help at all, but who knows how many Note 4's are still out there in use. My mom also has one, I've got at least one coworker that had one, I'm not sure if she still does or not.
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We may also have hope with ported S7 nougat ROMs as well.
I doubt a petition would do much good though, Samsung would look at it and go "lol, cute". I agree that we should at least get nougat though. I work at a VZW dealer and I still see a decent amount of Note 4s in use, so it's by no means a dead device. I tend to sort of 'bond' with the N4 users that come into my store and even though I'm obligated to try to get them to upgrade, they always say stuff like "I don't want a new phone, there's nothing out there that does everything this one does!". Makes me happy every time