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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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You know, since we do not have any phone with 3GB we really don't know that?
But we can speculate, and 2GB did bring marked difference to the table with more apps that can stay suspended in memory so we can easily come back to them @ later time. Basically, there will be no other bonus beside better multitasking, unless someone figures a way to run 2 systems @ once (for whatever reason that may be) or we get into very advanced gaming (that GPU performance would not allow anyway) with huge framebuffers and AA. To date, I have not found any case where 2GB was not enough, no single app that would eat more than 1GB of ram - supposedly you can write an app that would use all available memory as storage for levels and textures and whatever just to increase smoothness of gameplay, but that would not make it a requirement, only an added option, since the game must be designed to run on some lowest common platform (within reason).
So in a way it will certainly mean "something" for a smoothness, just how much depends on your uses and application developers, for now I don't think you will see any difference from more memory, because it will be dwarfed by faster CPU and GPU speeds.
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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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well ram does make little significant in multitasking and gaming but apart from it there is no much gain as of now 2gb is enough to perform all task and it works great as of now. we rather need more ram demanding games and apps to utilize the power of it, so yes as of now its a co. specs sheet to launch a new smartphone , its future proof but to catch up with it we need a more demanding android platform,games and app.
Samsung are only doing it for the sake of the specs bump. I'm probably going to wait for the Note 4 myself, maybe we will need more ram by then.
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You never needed more than 2GB of RAM because the system is optimized to leave certain ammount of free RAM thereby closing applications designated as "unused",which might not be regarded so much unused by us after all.So in my opponion a device with 3GB of RAM will be significantly faster and smoother.
I have more than 1GB of ram free in 90% of the cases so 3GB is overkill for now.
3GB won't really make a huge difference since we already have 2GB memory on our Note2...
I have no money so I guess I'll just wait for Note 5.
Nothing better, no difference !
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When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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taran181 said:
When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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The more the merrier!
1 gb was fine but with the s3 it did get hogged up.
2 seems good but its stretching it!
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3GB won't really make a huge difference since we already have 2GB memory on our Note2...
I have no money so I guess I'll just wait for Note 5.
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Watch it will make a difference. When we get 4.3 from Sammy our beloved Note 2 will seem to get slower and laggy. With each new firmware update, the files get bigger and also the apps need more memory.
If the rumors are true then I will be the first in line for the new note 3
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taran181 said:
When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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I had far lesser RAM on my DHD last year and I was contended even if the games load a tad slower compared to higher tier phones.
IMO The huge bump for the RAM is to accommodate a heavier version of any given UI.
jetbruceli said:
The more the merrier!
1 gb was fine but with the s3 it did get hogged up.
2 seems good but its stretching it!
Watch it will make a difference. When we get 4.3 from Sammy our beloved Note 2 will seem to get slower and laggy. With each new firmware update, the files get bigger and also the apps need more memory.
If the rumors are true then I will be the first in line for the new note 3
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I'm trying to save for a lot & house so having a new phone for me might get irrelevant for my needs in my new house. But anyways, Good luck on your future phone
I think right now 3GB of RAM is just future proofing. Nothing ever challenges the Note II's 2GB.
With that said, the more the merrier.
IMO, it will increase performance ..Personally, I need 3 Gb.. I have more than 400 app which all have at least one function I want. I multitask a lot. Moreover, I have more than 10 background running apps Eg. Gmd gesture control, Gmd s pen control, swipepad, swipapp, air control, control center,magic unlock, lmt pie control, ..... Blah blah.
So, if I start to run more other apps, I always got over 90 % of my 2 Gb and I sometimes feel my phone become sluggish though not always .. So 3 Gb will be perfect for me
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Samsung might be planning for things to make use of the 3GB .. If they didn't make that much difference, it's always good to have them ^^ with hopefully the snapdragon 800 2.X GHz .. I don't know if it will be worth upgrading from note 2, we'll just wait and see.
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I regularly see free RAM drop to under 200MB, though I do have quite a few apps running. I see this more as Android effectively utilising RAM than anything else.
But with RAM being so cheap, why not have more and keep more in memory? Reduce I/O delays and flash wear, reduce battery use, and with higher and higher res screens, app assets will just keep increasing in size (4.3 supports up to 600+ DPI for example).
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I think right now 3GB of RAM is just future proofing. Nothing ever challenges the Note II's 2GB.
With that said, the more the merrier.
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A year ago 1Gb ram was said to be enough, now 2 Gb is enough so if we are going yo run note 3 for a year then it is going to be enough cz we all know that samsung is going to put a lot of bloat in note 3.
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Also, from 1 to 2 it is doubling it. 2 to 3 is only 50%.
Beside this, sometimes the time will come android being a fat memory wasting pig. But this won't be happening within the next some years.
They will improve stats and will make you believe you need them, so you hang on buying the latest ****.. Over and over again. That's like modern economy works .
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Also, from 1 to 2 it is doubling it. 2 to 3 is only 50%.
Beside this, sometimes the time will come android being a fat memory wasting pig. But this won't be happening within the next some years.
They will improve stats and will make you believe you need them, so you hang on buying the latest ****.. Over and over again. That's like modern economy works .
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Yeah exactly. The specs get bumped to create the impression that your current device is sub par. Even 1gb ram would be enough if Samsung didn't keep adding more and more useless features in every new device. Things like smart pause and s health are totally unnecessary for most people.
The only reason I even run TouchWiz is that the battery life is better than aosp. If it wasn't for that then I'd be totally happy with boring old vanilla Android on my note. This is the first phone I've ever had that I can feel free to use as I please and be confident that it will easily get me through the day and even well into the next.
Yeah the Note 3 may improve on that slightly but it's still not much of a reason to upgrade. Unless it has some miracle feature which significantly changes the way I use my phone, I'll wait for the Note 4 or 5. I just can't see it though. A minor spec bump and a raft of useless bloat just aren't getting me excited.
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Lol. May be the new touch wiz with Android 4.3 is going to be 2gb in itself. ?........
I was updating my brothers nexus 4...4.3 is a 160 MB OTA update.... almost the size of a full aosp rom. So may be Samsung 4.3 rom is going to be 2gb....
Note 3 will be having 3gb ram!
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I bought a M8 yesterday through an onlineshop but only later saw it only had 2gb of ram, so i was curious if anyone ever had not enough ram for multitasking? cause i currently own a note 3 and it would be weird to not have that amazing multitasking capability (im someone who has like 30apps open and really uses them actually xD, dont judge )
Don't worry, with sense UI, 2GB of RAM is more than enough
I'm positive it will be more than enough ram for you. With an unbranded stock version of the phone, the OS and default services use just under 700mb ram in total leaving you with more than enough when having all those applications running at once.
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I bought a M8 yesterday through an onlineshop but only later saw it only had 2gb of ram, so i was curious if anyone ever had not enough ram for multitasking? cause i currently own a note 3 and it would be weird to not have that amazing multitasking capability (im someone who has like 30apps open and really uses them actually xD, dont judge )
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Comparing my note 3 to the m8 for available ram shows that it really doesn't matter. With nothing open my unbranded note3 usually is consuming about 1.4-1.7GB of ram of the 2.7GB available for the OS. My Telstra branded M8 sits at around 700-800MB used of 1.8GB available in the same situation.
T-Mobile m8 ram wasn't enough. Converted to EU unbranded and ram has been more than sufficient.
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I have read a bit up on this, but am not 100% sure, so I decided to ask here. My apologies if this has been answered before, I couldn't find it.
I got a Asus ZenFone a few weeks back. As a massive Asus/Intel fanboy, this seemed like the phone for me.
Next to its hardware manufacturers, it had massive specs for a relatively small price. The few cons with it wouldn't really be a problem for me, so I went and looked for it.
Unfortunately, I live in the Netherlands, which means that I cannot get an ASUS ZenFone 2 straight from a store. I asked ASUS, but they informed me that they did not have concrete plans to release the ZenFone 2 in the BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, for those unfamiliar with that acronym).
So, then I went and looked on eBay, and found an Italian seller selling a 4GB RAM model for 300 euros including shipping. I went on and purchased, but forgot to look at the Atom model number.
This wasn't the Z3580 2.3GHz model, but the slower Z3560 1.8GHz. I did not know of there being a 4GB RAM version with a slower CPU, and still am not sure about it.
Anyways, I received it after I got it from their English warehouse (why that is, don't know). It had the CN firmware version on it (also not mentioned in the ad), which I had to flash to get the WW version.
I really don't like flashing phones, as I have had a phone die on me while updating it with the official software. Anyways, did that succesfully, and decided to root it while I was at it.
So far, it's been a damned smooth phone, and I have absolutely no gripes with it. But I still am not sure if this actually has 4GB. Android reports it, and AnTuTu does too, but with no programs on, I still can only get 1,5GB RAM available. Is that normal? Does AnTuTu see through fake specs? And if not, what can I do to verify it? Remember, I rooted the phone and thus can use tools to do so that require root. If you guys have any idea, I'd love to hear it! :good:
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I have read a bit up on this, but am not 100% sure, so I decided to ask here. My apologies if this has been answered before, I couldn't find it.
I got a Asus ZenFone a few weeks back. As a massive Asus/Intel fanboy, this seemed like the phone for me.
Next to its hardware manufacturers, it had massive specs for a relatively small price. The few cons with it wouldn't really be a problem for me, so I went and looked for it.
Unfortunately, I live in the Netherlands, which means that I cannot get an ASUS ZenFone 2 straight from a store. I asked ASUS, but they informed me that they did not have concrete plans to release the ZenFone 2 in the BeNeLux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, for those unfamiliar with that acronym).
So, then I went and looked on eBay, and found an Italian seller selling a 4GB RAM model for 300 euros including shipping. I went on and purchased, but forgot to look at the Atom model number.
This wasn't the Z3580 2.3GHz model, but the slower Z3560 1.8GHz. I did not know of there being a 4GB RAM version with a slower CPU, and still am not sure about it.
Anyways, I received it after I got it from their English warehouse (why that is, don't know). It had the CN firmware version on it (also not mentioned in the ad), which I had to flash to get the WW version.
I really don't like flashing phones, as I have had a phone die on me while updating it with the official software. Anyways, did that succesfully, and decided to root it while I was at it.
So far, it's been a damned smooth phone, and I have absolutely no gripes with it. But I still am not sure if this actually has 4GB. Android reports it, and AnTuTu does too, but with no programs on, I still can only get 1,5GB RAM available. Is that normal? Does AnTuTu see through fake specs? And if not, what can I do to verify it? Remember, I rooted the phone and thus can use tools to do so that require root. If you guys have any idea, I'd love to hear it! :good:
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Yeah, the ZF2 uses a lot of RAM even when idle.
You can download 3c toolbox and look at the memory manager. It will show you the total ram size and what apps are using it currently.
Or you can just look under running apps in your phone settings. For my 2GB model I normally have at most only have 800mb ram available. It's just the way android optimize ram.
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I have the 4GB/1.8GHz model. It's a thing.
Also the stock ROM is kinda bloated so yeah, that's about right for the free RAM.
Thanks! Just wanted to be sure. Even though it uses quite a bit of RAM, I haven't noticed any slowdowns as of yet, still going smooth. Really liking this phone and not minding the slower CPU, this is plenty powerful!
@DaniëlOosterhuis Could you post your battery stats? And comment battery performance in general? Is Android os/system still on the top of the list?
In another battery related topic it was kind of idea that only Z3580 2.3GHz 4GB has that problem. I'm wondering does it make any sense. And if yes, what's the problem, amount of RAM or CPU.
I haven't done serious tests, nor do I often do intensive tasks, I usually pull the phone out of the charger at 6:30(AM), keep it in my pocket and use it for an hour or two/two and a half in total, and put it back on charge between 15:00-17:00 (3-5PM), with the battery still being above half. I do turn the screen down as much as possible though, inside with normal lighting I can survive on lowest brightness fine while retaining functionality. I probably should throw some tests at it, when I get time.
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I haven't done serious tests, nor do I often do intensive tasks, I usually pull the phone out of the charger at 6:30(AM), keep it in my pocket and use it for an hour or two/two and a half in total, and put it back on charge between 15:00-17:00 (3-5PM), with the battery still being above half. I do turn the screen down as much as possible though, inside with normal lighting I can survive on lowest brightness fine while retaining functionality. I probably should throw some tests at it, when I get time.
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Huh, your phone is charger most of the time. Could you make some tests during weekend? What you can do immediately, post your batter stats. Just to see is it Android os/system still on the top.
Thanks for answer, btw
Hello. I am debating between the Nexus 5X and 6P. I come from a Galaxy S4. I prefer the size of the Nexus 5X, and I am fine with the Snapdragon 808 and 1080p display, but the 2 GB RAM worries me. I know that 2 GB RAM will be enough for today, but will it be enough 3 years from now? Will it slow down or not be able to get Android version upgrades due to having less RAM? Is Android becoming more demanding of RAM, or less demanding? Is it worth it to get the 6P for the "future proofing"? Am I being paranoid? Thank you.
It will be OK untill next year I think. Still the more ram the merrier, as always. Today 3 gb is ok for skinned oem and I think a barebone nexus takes less ram initially than ex Samsung or LG. My Z5c has two ram and you can't open very many apps before you have to reload, and Sonys ui has less bloat than many others.
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Hello. I am debating between the Nexus 5X and 6P. I come from a Galaxy S4. I prefer the size of the Nexus 5X, and I am fine with the Snapdragon 808 and 1080p display, but the 2 GB RAM worries me. I know that 2 GB RAM will be enough for today, but will it be enough 3 years from now? Will it slow down or not be able to get Android version upgrades due to having less RAM? Is Android becoming more demanding of RAM, or less demanding? Is it worth it to get the 6P for the "future proofing"? Am I being paranoid? Thank you.
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RAM on smartphones these days is a completely different beast to just a few years ago. The OS is much better at optimizing and using what is available and works in a different manner to to desktops and laptops.
Have a read:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ram+on+phone
The Nexus 5 is still a well loved and well used device and 2GB ram is not a problem there.
I had no hesitation about the 5X and have come across no issues yet.
I'll tell you what, my S6 edge had 3gb of RAM and the available RAM on that phone is the same as my 5X. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. But if you want to future proof your phone, find one that offers 4gb of RAM and has good development for 3rd party ROMs.
So you think you'll keep the nexus 5x for three years? Also it would get at least 2 major updates so I wouldn't be worried about ram.
One of the reasons i got a 6p and not 5x was the 2GB of ram.. And max 32GB space. My nexus 5 has 2 & 32.. I am almost out of room for files.. And my available ram is 150MB.. I think it was causing slowness i had to constantly close apps. So to answer your question YES it is an issue. I am shocked and disappointed that after 3 years they came out with a device with pretty much the same specs
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One of the reasons i got a 6p and not 5x was the 2GB of ram.. And max 32GB space. My nexus 5 has 2 & 32.. I am almost out of room for files.. And my available ram is 150MB.. I think it was causing slowness i had to constantly close apps. So to answer your question YES it is an issue. I am shocked and disappointed that after 3 years they came out with a device with pretty much the same specs
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The storage space is a legit concern, but unused RAM is wasted RAM. If you have 150 MB free of RAM, then 2 GB is more than plenty.
I agree.. But i was starting to experience mini crashes in camera app.. And sluggishness in general.. Closing background apps helped fixed it... So i assume 150 Ram left is not enough
I would say it's fine as long as you don't play RAM hungry games and expect to multi-task (ie. your apps are still loaded after starting the game, your game is still running if you check a couple of other apps). If you do expect to multi-task like this you'll be disappointed.
That 150-300MB free is 'wasted' if you don't have anything else to do on your phone, but if you want to open a 500+ MB game on top of that then things are going to get booted and then the game will get booted if/when you open those things again.
Also even if the phone needs to dump a few small apps when things get full most things like camera or browser or reddit app reload quickly, games can take forever to load so that when I was playing one (Uprising) I was loath to switch away from it in case it would get closed and need to load again.
So yeah, the speed test was in another language so o don't know what he was saying. He basically set up a timer and spammed the phone with a load of apps. The HTC ended up coming in last against the Samesung S7 and G5. My question is, sure it came in last, but who the hell is really gonna use their phone like that?? It's not realistic in the slightest. On top of that the 10 is still pre release which makes me think this could have been done deliberately to try and make the 10 look bad and the S7 look good as most reviewers do. What do you guys think? I'll update the post with a link to the video
Those types of tests come up from time to time. Most of the time they should just be ignored because they're not really indicative of anything. Maybe the S7 had everything already cached in RAM, or maybe the G5 had fewer background apps. Either way for 99.98% of people all three phones are basically identical in terms of performance, and really performance hasn't really mattered for a long time in Android. These days, there are more important things to look for than SoC.
I thought I read that the S7 is faster at multitasking whereas the HTC 10 is faster at single tasks.
In the end, jcracken is correct. The 10, S7, and G5 are pretty much the same. All fast.
I agree, they have similar internals. Make your choice on real things like LCD vs AMOLED, modular vs enclosed, wireless charging with micro USB vs USB C, heavy android skins vs minor customizations and the list goes on. These are the things that will identify if a phone is best for you (notice I didn't say best, there is no best just best for you). Not opening and closing apps. If you don't have multiple phones you won't even notice the millisecond difference.
The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.
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The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.
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How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone
This review shows how slow the HTC 10 is at opening certain apps. All down to storage performance?
Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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Well what do you think? Not every SD card is created equal.
If you buy a SD card with really slow random 4K read/write speeds, yes it will impact it a lot.
If you buy a fast one, not that big of an impact*.
Most of the time SD cards have lousy random 4K speeds because the best of the best, crem de la crem NAND chips end up in SSD's and phone NAND storage and so on, SD cards get the lowest quality.
Also SD card manufacturers don't advertise these random 4K numbers so you're going to have to be the Sherlock Holmes yourself and do the research into what is the best product for me.
SD card manufacturers only boast about the sequential read/write speeds which are only relevant with 4K recording or downloading/transferring large files and so on where as opening apps and updating apps and doing this and that stuff on your phone is not sequential so don't focus on those numbers, they're irrelevant with adoptable storage..
Take a look at the page 1 of "MicroSD speed spec" thread over in the "HTC 10 Questions & Answers" subforum, I talked more about this over there and don't feel like typing all of that again.
Here's a direct link to my post there.
*This of course depends on how fast the HTC 10 iNAND 7232 is in regard to random 4K read/write, haven't seen any reliable numbers yet.
lagittaja said:
How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone
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Whoa thanks for sharing Anandtech with me, I had no idea such a thorough reviewer existed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
So thanks.
And here's a quick quote from Anandtech
In this test at least, write performance of the HTC 10 is 75% greater than the Samsung MLC UFS solution in the Galaxy S7 due to the use of an SLC write cache. However, sequential reads on the Galaxy S7 are about 35% higher than what they are on the HTC 10.
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It's not that bad.
Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?
Phil750123 said:
Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?
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yes you can
theres an option to save to external storage in the default camera app
The one area HTC's been getting flak in the benchmark wars? Storage. HTC opted for a SanDisk part for internal storage, and that part is an eMMC 5.1 chip versus the objectively faster UFS 2.0 found in the Galaxy S7 and LG G5. Testing bears this out - in the Androidbench storage benchmark suite, the HTC 10 is very clearly slower than its rivals from Samsung and LG. Here are my abbreviated results.
Sequential read: 435MB/s (S7), 251MB/s (10), 459MB/s (G5)
Sequential write: 150MB/s (S7), 74MB/s (10), 134MB/s (G5)
Random read: 121MB/s (S7), 32MB/s (10), 88MB/s (G5)
Random write: 17MB/s (S7), 14MB/s (10), 16MB/s (G5)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...good-phone-but-one-that-costs-too-much-money/
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I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.
sonny21 said:
I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.
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Looks to me like they're using AndroBench's default settings.
Comparing those to Ars Technica's numbers, looks like Android Authority didn't even bother changing the sequential to 256KB from the default 32768KB...
Anandtech is a website that does objective, thorough testing and for example uses settings in AndroBench that actually reflect how real world applications on Android read or write to/from the NAND.
I'll just leave these here
Hunt3rj2 a.k.a. Joshua Ho from Anandtech said:
I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB.
The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests.
This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks.
It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage.
Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing.
There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB.
I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4erulh/htc_10_a_quick_look_at_battery_life_storage/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/htc-10-review-htc-builds-the-best-android-flagship-of-2016/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
Here's Anandtech's Galaxy S7 (SD820) numbers
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3
If the guy in the video isn't speaking English, he probably has the exynos. The video that was posted is also an exynos. It's widely known that the exynos is a beast, but the US variant will have SD 820.
I want to see the speed test that runs an app requiring root on both phones.