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[Q] How to prevent Fire TV from sleeping?

Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find any way to prevent the Fire TV from sleeping? It stays awake if I have a sideloaded app like XBMC loaded, but if I am in an official Fire TV app, it goes to sleep after 30 minutes. This confuses guests at my house when they turn the TV on and get nothing but a black screen from the Fire TV.

Red Eye Sleep Awake seems to work fine on my Fire TV. Once running, FTV never goes to sleep.

I mainly used it for the AirPin PRO app, when FTV goes to sleep, AirPin stops working. But, after letting FTV run without sleeping for 3 to 4 days, I did find FTV much warmer to touch. It was not that important for AirPin to be available on demand for me, so I uninstalled the Red Eye app and let FTV go to sleep.

martyxng said:
Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find any way to prevent the Fire TV from sleeping? It stays awake if I have a sideloaded app like XBMC loaded, but if I am in an official Fire TV app, it goes to sleep after 30 minutes. This confuses guests at my house when they turn the TV on and get nothing but a black screen from the Fire TV.
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What was your solution? I am looking for a way to disable sleep to allow the screensaver to stay active.
Thx,
riz

Screensaver.tv said:
What was your solution? I am looking for a way to disable sleep to allow the screensaver to stay active.
Thx,
riz
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I need to look at it more, but I put a needle through the mic and into the ic under to prevent the mic from ever working. left it alone for ten hours, and when I turned on the tv next, the fire was fully up. usually it takes a few slaps in the head to wake up; I think the error thrown by testing voice may have also kept it awake. I'm hoping this doesn't kill the batteries in the remote.

roustabout said:
I need to look at it more, but I put a needle through the mic and into the ic under to prevent the mic from ever working. left it alone for ten hours, and when I turned on the tv next, the fire was fully up. usually it takes a few slaps in the head to wake up; I think the error thrown by testing voice may have also kept it awake. I'm hoping this doesn't kill the batteries in the remote.
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Hey guys, anyone have a solution? thx

dbdoshi said:
Red Eye Sleep Awake seems to work fine on my Fire TV. Once running, FTV never goes to sleep.
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I have sideloaded RedEye Sleep Awake onto my Fire TV and launched it but it does not keep my Fire TV box from going to sleep. A few seconds afterwards, the Fire TV white LED goes out.
What should I try?

Not a geek said:
I have sideloaded RedEye Sleep Awake onto my Fire TV and launched it but it does not keep my Fire TV box from going to sleep. A few seconds afterwards, the Fire TV white LED goes out.
What should I try?
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Works fine for me... on both my FTVs. These are rooted FTVs (if you are not rooted, I am not sure if this app works)
My settings within the app are:
Awake Level: Fully Awake (you will need to go into that option to select it)
Start at boot: Yes
Disable when screen is turned off: No
Enable when on AC: Yes
Enable at startup: Yes
Disable on low battery: No
Disable notification Icon: No
(Yes means checked, No means not checked).
Once you have the settings verified, reboot your FTV and see if it stays up. Also, my RedEye Sleep Toggle version is 1.5.2 (free version)
Also, on my FTV under Settings, Display & Sounds, Screen Saver, the "Start Time" is set to "Never". Not sure if that makes any difference, but wanted to put it out here.

Thanks for your rapid reply, dbdoshi and for the settings detail you included.
I tried again and this time the Redeye Sleep Toggle app does indeed work.
I too have two Fire TVs and why I failed on both of 'em to get the app to work, I have no idea. Anyway, all's well that ends well...
Re the sceensaver settings, I've mine set to 5 minutes and this doesn't disturb the app behaviour at all.
Also, my Fire TVs are not rooted, merely sideloaded.
For anyone confused by the app name, at the time of writing it shows up in Google Play and on the BinaryMagi Inc website as Redeye Stay Awake, but on Android devices it shows up as Redeye Sleep Toggle.

XBMC Screensaver after 5mins, suspend after 20mins?

SPMC is setup as launcher, but the FireTV doesn't sleep when SPMC is running. So I have the elmerohueso Screensaver that puts the device to sleep after Xmins. Just wondering if there's any way to have the screensaver come on after just a few minutes, but sleep not happen until later, maybe 20mins etc.?
Thanks.

modstore said:
SPMC is setup as launcher, but the FireTV doesn't sleep when SPMC is running. So I have the elmerohueso Screensaver that puts the device to sleep after Xmins. Just wondering if there's any way to have the screensaver come on after just a few minutes, but sleep not happen until later, maybe 20mins etc.?
Thanks.
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The latest SPMC allows for Suspend on rooted Android devices. In Settings, set whatever screensaver you want, then in System > Power Saving change your Power Saving mode to Suspend and set the timer for 20 mins. Et voila!

elmerohueso said:
The latest SPMC allows for Suspend on rooted Android devices. In Settings, set whatever screensaver you want, then in System > Power Saving change your Power Saving mode to Suspend and set the timer for 20 mins. Et voila!
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Oh perfect! Thanks for the quick response.

elmerohueso said:
The latest SPMC allows for Suspend on rooted Android devices. In Settings, set whatever screensaver you want, then in System > Power Saving change your Power Saving mode to Suspend and set the timer for 20 mins. Et voila!
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Is anyone else having trouble with SPMC 13.3.2's Suspend feature? I have an issue where if I launch Netflix (from SPMC), SPMC will suspend my FireTV after the allotted suspend internal even while Netflix is playing.
Example:
SPMC Suspend set to 15mins
Launch Netflix from SPMC
Watch Netflix for 15mins
FireTV is suspended by SPMC
Anyone else running into this issue or have a workaround that prevents suspend while the FireTV is in use (even if that use isn't XBMC/SPMC)?

TornSack said:
Is anyone else having trouble with SPMC 13.3.2's Suspend feature? I have an issue where if I launch Netflix (from SPMC), SPMC will suspend my FireTV after the allotted suspend internal even while Netflix is playing.
Example:
SPMC Suspend set to 15mins
Launch Netflix from SPMC
Watch Netflix for 15mins
FireTV is suspended by SPMC
Anyone else running into this issue or have a workaround that prevents suspend while the FireTV is in use (even if that use isn't XBMC/SPMC)?
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Anyone else using SPMC? Is there a better XBMC FireTV solution?

TornSack said:
Is anyone else having trouble with SPMC 13.3.2's Suspend feature? I have an issue where if I launch Netflix (from SPMC), SPMC will suspend my FireTV after the allotted suspend internal even while Netflix is playing.
Example:
SPMC Suspend set to 15mins
Launch Netflix from SPMC
Watch Netflix for 15mins
FireTV is suspended by SPMC
Anyone else running into this issue or have a workaround that prevents suspend while the FireTV is in use (even if that use isn't XBMC/SPMC)?
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I tested this using Netflix in the same way, and unfortunately while watching netflix the FireTV went onto suspend after 20mins.

modstore said:
I tested this using Netflix in the same way, and unfortunately while watching netflix the FireTV went onto suspend after 20mins.
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XBMC doesn't have any power settings for Android, so unfortunately I can't test that to compare.
Edit: I just tested XBMC on Windows, and the power saving features (set to "hibernate") do indeed kick in while XBMC is minimized. I'm guessing this may be because the Shutdown Timer functionality may have originally been intended to be used on XBMC appliances. Anyway, I'm sure if a fix gets checked in to XBMC (to only apply the Shutdown Timer if XBMC is active) that it would bubble up into SPMC.

TornSack said:
Anyone else using SPMC? Is there a better XBMC FireTV solution?
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Yes, I use elmerohueso's screen saver and I never worry about Netflix being cut off or the box not sleeping after 3min (which is my timer).

Ipse_Tase said:
Yes, I use elmerohueso's screen saver and I never worry about Netflix being cut off or the box not sleeping after 3min (which is my timer).
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I've now done the same Ipse. Hopefully elmerohueso will continue to support, it's a great plug-in.

elmerohueso said:
XBMC doesn't have any power settings for Android, so unfortunately I can't test that to compare.
Edit: I just tested XBMC on Windows, and the power saving features (set to "hibernate") do indeed kick in while XBMC is minimized. I'm guessing this may be because the Shutdown Timer functionality may have originally been intended to be used on XBMC appliances. Anyway, I'm sure if a fix gets checked in to XBMC (to only apply the Shutdown Timer if XBMC is active) that it would bubble up into SPMC.
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Do you happen to know if there's a bug report for this already? I did a quick search but haven't found one. But don't want to report one if it's a duplicate.
Alternatively, I'm not sure if it's something you would consider, but would it be difficult to offer an option in your screensaver add on, to allow selection of another screensaver at a certain time (5mins or whatever) before getting to the sleep time (20mins etc.)?

modstore said:
Do you happen to know if there's a bug report for this already? I did a quick search but haven't found one. But don't want to report one if it's a duplicate.
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I added it to the Feature Request forum but not to trac. I'm pretty sure I know what needs to be changed, but I'm having issues with my dev environment. Once I get it working I'll make a pull request (assuming the fix I'm thinking of actually works).
modstore said:
Alternatively, I'm not sure if it's something you would consider, but would it be difficult to offer an option in your screensaver add on, to allow selection of another screensaver at a certain time (5mins or whatever) before getting to the sleep time (20mins etc.)?
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I think that'd be overly complicating things.

elmerohueso said:
I added it to the Feature Request forum but not to trac. I'm pretty sure I know what needs to be changed, but I'm having issues with my dev environment. Once I get it working I'll make a pull request (assuming the fix I'm thinking of actually works).
I think that'd be overly complicating things.
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Hi elmerohueso, im currently using your screensaver and ran itno a problem: if i leave the video paused, your screensaver will correctly send the device to sleep, but my usb HDD will stay awake until i stop the movie and let it sleep again. i was trying to edit your python script but its the first time i see python XD. is there a way to send a command to stop video playback right before it goes to sleep?

Volc7 said:
Hi elmerohueso, im currently using your screensaver and ran itno a problem: if i leave the video paused, your screensaver will correctly send the device to sleep, but my usb HDD will stay awake until i stop the movie and let it sleep again. i was trying to edit your python script but its the first time i see python XD. is there a way to send a command to stop video playback right before it goes to sleep?
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By default, the XBMC screen saver won't actually kick in if a video is paused. However, you can manually set it to do so. I can't actually think of a good reason that someone *wouldn't* want their video stopped once the screensaver kicks in, so I'll see if I can add "Stop Video" as a feature.

elmerohueso said:
By default, the XBMC screen saver won't actually kick in if a video is paused. However, you can manually set it to do so. I can't actually think of a good reason that someone *wouldn't* want their video stopped once the screensaver kicks in, so I'll see if I can add "Stop Video" as a feature.
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Awesomesauce

Volc7 said:
Awesomesauce
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I'm pushing the 2.8 screensaver update to my repo now. XBMC should automatically pull it down within 24 hours. It now has a setting to "Stop Paused Video" (remember to set it, it's off by default).
The biggest issue was that any call that manipulates the Player (ie. stopping a video) will kick XBMC out of the screensaver. I got around that (hopefully) by calling ActivateScreensaver after stopping the video, basically starting the screensaver again (1st pass - stops the video, 2nd pass - runs whatever power call you chose).

Great ill test it as soon as im able to get it

just tested it.works peftectly so far. xbmc correctly stops the video, goes to sleep and a few mins later my harddrive sleeps too. thanks you!

Volc7 said:
just tested it.works peftectly so far. xbmc correctly stops the video, goes to sleep and a few mins later my harddrive sleeps too. thanks you!
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Glad to hear it.

[Q] AFTV Sleepmode while in SPMC

Hi,
I am using SPMC 13.3.3 (2014/10/26):
Preliminary support for Android TV
Allow sleep and Daydream to kick in (e.g. on Amazon Fire TV)
I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to disable sleep mode?
Or if someone can confirm while in sleep mode if my application on my server send API notifications to SPMC will SPMC get the notification? I normally keep one of my XBMC clients on and have nzbdrone/couchpotato add it to the library once it's processed this way the XBMC client updates MySQL db for all clients

Tweek- said:
Hi,
I am using SPMC 13.3.3 (2014/10/26):
Preliminary support for Android TV
Allow sleep and Daydream to kick in (e.g. on Amazon Fire TV)
I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a way to disable sleep mode?
Or if someone can confirm while in sleep mode if my application on my server send API notifications to SPMC will SPMC get the notification? I normally keep one of my XBMC clients on and have nzbdrone/couchpotato add it to the library once it's processed this way the XBMC client updates MySQL db for all clients
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It shouldn't make a difference as long as you don't have XBMC on a timer to log out or close...
http://www.aftvnews.com/overview-of-fire-tv-software-update-51-1-4-1_user_514013920/
Forced Sleep Option
A new “Sleep” option has been added in the Settings menu under the System section. Selecting the option causes the Fire TV to immediately enter sleep mode, which it normally enters on its own after 30 minutes of inactivity. The option is actually a bit of a placebo since the only difference between the Fire TV being on and being asleep is no video signal. The Fire TV uses the same amount of power, about 1-2 watts, being on and idle as it does being in sleep mode.
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Y314K said:
It shouldn't make a difference as long as you don't have XBMC on a timer to log out or close...
http://www.aftvnews.com/overview-of-fire-tv-software-update-51-1-4-1_user_514013920/
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of awesome thanks for the information this is great news for me

[Q] How do I get the FTV to sleep while in xbmc/kodi?

I set up my first FTV 4 months ago and recently got another. Everything went pretty smooth except I cant remember what I did to make it sleep after x number of minutes idle in xbmc/kodi. I think the first FTV might have SPMC on it while the second has elmerohueso's XBMC/Kodi.
Any ideas what I did last year? I have kids, my brain is mush.

cardboardbox said:
I set up my first FTV 4 months ago and recently got another. Everything went pretty smooth except I cant remember what I did to make it sleep after x number of minutes idle in xbmc/kodi. I think the first FTV might have SPMC on it while the second has elmerohueso's XBMC/Kodi.
Any ideas what I did last year? I have kids, my brain is mush.
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Can't you just review the settings on your old AFTV and emulate the same to the new one?
But if not, go to:
System settings - Settings - Power saving -> toggle the Shutdown function timer to 5 min and Shutdown function to quit.
Then, under Appearance - Screen saver - Screensaver mode to dim and Screensaver time to 3 mins.
Keeping in mind that by default AFTV takes 30 mins before it actually goes to sleep.
These are my settings on my AFTV and works like a charm.
Good luck!

Macpatto said:
Can't you just review the settings on your old AFTV and emulate the same to the new one?
But if not, go to:
System settings - Settings - Power saving -> toggle the Shutdown function timer to 5 min and Shutdown function to quit.
Then, under Appearance - Screen saver - Screensaver mode to dim and Screensaver time to 3 mins.
Keeping in mind that by default AFTV takes 30 mins before it actually goes to sleep.
These are my settings on my AFTV and works like a charm.
Good luck!
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thanks for the help. I did look at my other AFTV but the settings you mention are "Off" and "Quit" which is the default setting. I checked for installed apps that might do the sleep function but didnt see anything. I really have no idea how I did this and I did search the forum for quite a while. I'd never have figured it out myself so I know the answer must be here somewhere.
I'll try your recommendation, maybe it will be good enough.

I got it working by installing elmerohueso's screensaver.

SPMC and Kodi sleeping

i am still on a learning curve with the AFTV as come from using a Rpi after many years so know xbmc/kodi pretty well and now love being able to use the better skins
so my AFTV is pretty new and has the latest FW so i am unable to root, so anyway i side loaded SPMC 13.4.0 and after set-up very happy with it and the speed is amazing compared to the Rpi
anyway decided to also side load Kodi 14.1 (as read they can both be loaded without conflicting) again after setting up happy again (and prefer to use the Kodi set-up) SPMC is still loaded just in case tho
anyhow 1 thing i have noticed is that if SPMC was left in the menus ect or SPMC's home screen the screen saver DIM would kick in as it should after 3 mins and also after the 30 mins (approx) it would send the AFTV to sleep and once woken up it would be where i left it (this i really like)
but since using Kodi the screen saver DIM kicks in a it should but the AFTV will not sleep ( i have since set it up to quit Kodi after x mins so the AFTV will then sleep after the given 30 mins on AFTV home screen_ but upon waking its on the AFTV hoe screen
my question is why does SPMC sleep ok when its left within SPMC but Kodi not?
also due to having Kodi quit to get back to AFTV home screen to enable it to sleep. daft question i know but am i correct in saying the sceduealed auto updates and backups i set up will not work due to Kodi not running)
also great forum with loads of info

baz2011uk said:
i am still on a learning curve with the AFTV as come from using a Rpi after many years so know xbmc/kodi pretty well and now love being able to use the better skins
so my AFTV is pretty new and has the latest FW so i am unable to root, so anyway i side loaded SPMC 13.4.0 and after set-up very happy with it and the speed is amazing compared to the Rpi
anyway decided to also side load Kodi 14.1 (as read they can both be loaded without conflicting) again after setting up happy again (and prefer to use the Kodi set-up) SPMC is still loaded just in case tho
anyhow 1 thing i have noticed is that if SPMC was left in the menus ect or SPMC's home screen the screen saver DIM would kick in as it should after 3 mins and also after the 30 mins (approx) it would send the AFTV to sleep and once woken up it would be where i left it (this i really like)
but since using Kodi the screen saver DIM kicks in a it should but the AFTV will not sleep ( i have since set it up to quit Kodi after x mins so the AFTV will then sleep after the given 30 mins on AFTV home screen_ but upon waking its on the AFTV hoe screen
my question is why does SPMC sleep ok when its left within SPMC but Kodi not?
also due to having Kodi quit to get back to AFTV home screen to enable it to sleep. daft question i know but am i correct in saying the sceduealed auto updates and backups i set up will not work due to Kodi not running)
also great forum with loads of info
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I'm not expert, but I believe it's because SPMC is specifically designed for AFTV, while Kodi is for more general android devices. You may want to look into AFTVtweaks (for XBMC/Kodi), that are floating around as a zip files somewhere on these forums, though I am not positive if they updated for Kodi yet.