[Q] MHL to AV receiver - Galaxy Tab S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Just got my galaxy tab and cannot get the official Samsung mhl hdmi adapter to output to my onkyo tx-nr636. The receiver has a dedicated mhl hdmi in and is fully hdcp 2.2 compliant. The tablet recognizes it is connected but insists it be connected directly to my tv. (This works) Has Samsung deliberately crippled this tablet? If so, are there any workarounds to get streaming audio and video to a receiver? I'm looking for as high a quality as possible as it is feeding my 150" protection screen. I'm incensed that this is even an issue.

I just found out that I have the same problem with my Tab S 8.4. It works when connected to a regular HDMI connector + USB port on my TV, but does not work when connected to the MHL connector on my Onkyo NR-616. The front connector on the Onkyo is a true MHL connector, which means that it provides both HDMI and power to the device. Most devices provide only HDMI which means that you need an additional USB power source to power the setup. The Onkyo front Aux/MHL connector works perfectly with my Galaxy S5 phone. When I plug in the Tab S, it appears to try to connect, but can't. I think that this is not intentional on the part of Samsung but is a bug. Maybe it will be fixed with a future software update (not holding my breath on that one).

I have no problems streaming hi def content to my chromecast through my yammy receiver to my pj.

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[Q] MHL for audio, possible?

Hey all,
Not sure if this is possible but I want to somehow have audio out through the MHL/micro usb port of my s2. Reason being that it would be much nicer in the car to have 1 cord for charging and music rather than one cord for each.
Does the MHL port support this or could there possibly be an accessory to change the HDMI out feature to audio-only aux?
thanks!
also wondering about this for my AV receiver
i went ahead and ordered the HDMI MHL cable to test Spotify through my AV Receiver.
Since the HDMI audio is digital data I wouldn't bother researching down this lane.
But there certainly are docking stations that charge the SGS2 and offer a 3.5mm line-out at the same time, so it must be possible.
Pinout anyone?
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Since the HDMI audio is digital data I wouldn't bother researching down this lane.
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Don't understand what you mean here?
If you'd like to use the HDMI audio you would have to add a digital-analog-converter in order to feed your car stereo the analog line audio it needs. Plus I don't think the connector will allow charging while in HDMI mode.
So maybe it's best to put that port on the SGS2 into Home Dock or Car Dock mode. You might get some further help wit the pinout in this thread.
faildroid said:
If you'd like to use the HDMI audio you would have to add a digital-analog-converter in order to feed your car stereo the analog line audio it needs. Plus I don't think the connector will allow charging while in HDMI mode.
So maybe it's best to put that port on the SGS2 into Home Dock or Car Dock mode. You might get some further help wit the pinout in this thread.
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I think you're getting me confused with the original poster. My question was in regards to outputting just audio (Spotify) through my Onkyo AV receiver. There shouldn't be any issue with this, right? I've only seen the MHL-HDMI cable used on a TV directly, and not through a receiver.
Also, would it be possible to plug the SGS2 with the MHL-HDMI cable directly into the HDMI 1.4 input on the back of the TV, and use the ARC feature (Audio Return Channel) to feed either 2.1 or 5.1 audio back through the HDMI cable linking the TV and receiver to the surround sound speakers?
Wait, if HDMI out audio is digital out, can we play around to get a clean digital out signal that would play nice with portable external DACs?
Sounds impossible but who knows?
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I think you're getting me confused with the original poster.
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That's exactly what happened, my bad.
Unfortunately I haven't got the HDMI cable for the SGS2 yet but for the ARC feature I'd say it depends on your TV. Maybe you can try feeding an existing HDMI source to it and verify that a HDMI-in on the TV can be routed via ARC to your AVR.
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That's exactly what happened, my bad.
Unfortunately I haven't got the HDMI cable for the SGS2 yet but for the ARC feature I'd say it depends on your TV. Maybe you can try feeding an existing HDMI source to it and verify that a HDMI-in on the TV can be routed via ARC to your AVR.
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Yes, supposedly my TV can do that with the Freeview HD tuner audio, but I'm waiting for my antenna to put that to the test.
Solution: HD Fury II or HD Fury III. They have 2 channel analog output from HDMI input.
To clear up some things about MHL:
First of all MHL is not HDMI. By default, your phone needs to support MHL and your TV/Receiver/whatever also needs to be able to receive MHL signals.
There is no fixed connector type for MHL (the plug can either be proprietary or a readily available one such as USB or HDMI). Phones have MHL hardware connected to their USB ports. Upcoming TVs will have additional MHL hardware connected to their existing HDMI inputs.
You cannot use an ordinary USB<->HDMI type MHL cable to connect your phone to any HDTV. It will not work. You need an active cable that receives a MHL signal from the USB side, internally decodes it and reencodes it as HDMI, and then outputs it via the HDMI side of the cable to any HDMI device. That's why the cables are expensive.
The good news pertaining to this thread:
The active MHL cables we've seen so far are very small and compact. Basically the only thing you need is an MHL decoder which has an audio line out. There is no need for a HDMI DAC.
I can confirm that the Samsung MHL-HDMI cable for the SGS2 outputs both video and just audio beautifully to my home theatre receiver.
MHL to VGA is an option
Please excuse the necroposting. For future people who run across this thread when searching for MHL Audio products.
I discovered these products after some searching around:
http://vgaadapter.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/ikross-mhl-micro-usb-to-vga-display-and.html
http://www.ecvv.com/product/2822782.html
I'm not sure of the quality of the audio DAC but its an option.
But so is the Samsung Desktop dock or the car dock for charging and playing music at the same time through one plug.
i can't believe, but ac adaptor charger and p2-p2 or p2-rca cable work like a charm here

[Q] MHL HDMI: does it work with other USB/Pogo accessories?

I grabbed an excellent MHL HDMI cable last week. I figured out that the MHL subsystem, which does consume some extra power, only activates after a HDCP handshake occurs. This means you can safely use an MHL cable as a micro-USB extension cable with no adverse effects until a HDMI display is connected and poweres up.
However, this behavior has ne wondering: which other accessories will cooperate while MHL is active?
USB Host-Mode adapter -- NO
USB Hub -- NO
Official Landscape Desktop Dock (Pogo) -- remains to be seen?
Of course, accessories that connect over wifi, Bluetooth, or NFC work, we're discussing USB-based accessories only.

[Q] MHL HDMI without using power cable

Hi
I had a look at the MHL wiki;
"Samsung’s Galaxy S III/ Note 2 can power the MHL-HDMI adapter (when used with a non-MHL-compatible-TV). Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality"
......does anyone know what this means? Can the Note II output the signal to HDMI without using external power.
We all know that it can connect to a regular HDMI socket but the adapter requires external power.
I know that when using a passive MHL cable it does not require power when connecting to a MHL specific HDMI socket. These cables are quite difficult (and expensive) to get hold of but Kanex does one. Furthermore, only very modern TV sets have a MHL specific HDMI socket.
After reading the wiki......I'm now wondering if the Note II can connect to a regular HDMI using a passive MHL cable without requiring external power.....but the wiki is not clear.
Anyone got any ideas?
I've just bought official S3/Note 2 MHL adapter and it doesn't work without external power source.
HDMI standard requires 4 TMDS wire pairs (R, G, B, CLK) plus additional control signals.
MHL uses a single wire pair for data, on which the R, G, B channels are multiplexed. That pair is shared by the USB OTG connection.
So my understanding is as follows:
In order to use a MHL passive cable, you need to have a MHL-enabled TV, and connect that câble on the MHL compatible HDMI port.
Otherwise, the TV won't recongnize the signals.
Currently most TVs are not MHL-enabled. So you need to use a bridge between the device MHL output port and the HDMI TV input, in order to convert the single multiplexed data pair in the 4 data pairs. And that requires powered.
The Question is why do we need an external power supply, instead of using directly the device power supply...
Too high power consumption ? Technical limitations with MHL v1.0 standard ? or No one would like to try that ? ...
Also, for you reference:
The Kanex cable you mention does only work with those MHL-enabled TV, as stated on the product page.
Samsung offers now a new MHL v2.0 adapter designed for the GS4:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ET-H10FAUWESTA
The new feature with that adpater is the fact that you do not need to connect the wall charger to it (unless you would like to charge the phone).
Although that is clearly stated on samsung's site that this adapter is compatible with GS3 and GN2, that is also clearly stated that only the GS4 supports this new capability because of its MHL v2.0 compliance.​
Diim said:
The Question is why do we need an external power supply, instead of using directly the device power supply...
Too high power consumption ? Technical limitations with MHL v1.0 standard ? or No one would like to try that ? ...
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I couldn't 100% confirm that, but after some web searches, that has got clear for me now that it is a MHL v1.0 standard limitation.
MHL standard was derived from the HDMI standard, and was intended to allow a mobile device to send audio/video streams to a display device, while the display device can send basic control command to it. In addition, It was made possible to charge the mobile device thanks to the display device power supply.
So obviously, the standard was designed with a power supply provided by the display, not the phone.
And as for non MHL compatible display device, that seems it was not the first priority. Bridging between the phone MHL output and the standard TV HDMI input was a workaround, requiring an external power supply source.
With MHL v2.0, they have enhanced charging capability, and that seems they have covered the "bridging" case.
MHL v2.0 compliant phones (like GS4) should be able to power supply the bridge adapter. That tends to be confirmed by the fact that the new Samsung MHL adapter for the GS4, supporting v2.0 standard, does not require an external power supply if used with the GS4, but needs one if used with the GS3 or GN2.
Has anyone confirmed whether the Galaxy Note 3 will be MHL 2.0 compliant? I would guess yes, especially if the GS4 is already 2.0 compliant, but I just wanted to see if there was a confirmation of this anywhere. I would love to be able to display to HDTV without the need to separately plug in the power, because many times, the power outlet is not within easy reach of a monitor or HDTV.
I guess we will know for sure very shortly!
Confirmed: GN3 will have MHL 2.0, which should mean that we can connect the HDMI cable directly to the adapter without also having to plug in the power adapter. Woo!

[q] how to connect note2 to tv

Is there any way to connect note2 to TV?? Can I use HDMI? I want to stream video on TV
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Is there any way to connect note2 to TV?? Can I use HDMI? I want to stream video on TV
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yeah, u can use micro usb to hdmi adapters or use samsung allshare cast dongle which does this job wireless.
3 options:
Samsung MHL adapter.
you plug your charger and an HDMI cable into the adapter, adapter goes into your micro usb port.
pros: small, cheap.
cons: can't use external storage, doesn't fit with many cases/covers, only works with adapters made specifically for the S3/4 and note 2(generic MHL adapters have less pins).
smart dock.
works the same as the MHL adapter but has some extra functions.
pros: comes with its own charger, adds 3 USB ports for mouse, keyboard, and USB storage.
cons: desktop mode(plug in a mouse, phone screen turns off) is slow, without a mouse your phone is stuck in portrait for rotating apps, expensive.
allshare cast dongle.
little box that connects to your TV through HDMI and comes with its own power cable+wall plug.
you can keep the box plugged in, connects like a Bluetooth headset but using the allshare cast menu(Wi-Fi) instead of Bluetooth.
pros: wireless, otg cable, charger, and data cable can still be connected.
cons: compression artifacts show while playing heavy games or when playing unsupported video files(software decoding), tricky to get to work when you have cwm installed, even with Wi-Fi disabled your phone may randomly connect to your network causing the allshare connection to be reset, expensive.
best choice would probably be an MHL adapter.
allshare cast can be interesting if you have other recent Samsung galaxy devices(camera, s3/4, note 10.1/8)
smart dock can be interesting if you want to use your phone as a desktop computer.

Is it possible to connect 5x to hdmi mini laser beam projector?

Hello? I'm thinking of buying Sony's mini laser beam projector MP-CL1.
This device have widi and miracast for wireless and a hdmi port for wire connection.
As far as I know, 5x doesn't support miracast and I'm not sure about widi.
So I'm thinking of connecting 5x to the projector by hdmi port.
I do own a hdmi cable and am going buy usb c to hdmi adapter.
In theory, 5x usb c to hdmi adapter to cable to projector would be the way connect.
I just want to know has anyone tried connecting 5x to any hdmi devices like tv or projector?
Under Settings - Display - enabled "Wireless" in Cast - N5X connected to Chromecast's HDMI connection to the HDTV, playing MP4 video now. (EX rom)
I usually travel with the Chromecast and not bother with taking along an HDMI cable and more adapters/converters - and, USB powered - nano router with hotspot functionality for wireless network.
In addition to support for Chromecast, which is a given among Nexus/Android devices including N5 and N5X, N7, etc. - I can also confirm that N5X solidly support Miracast. I have an Android TV Box (has its own HDMI connection) with support for FireReceiver and Miracast -casting wirelessly now directly to HDTV, whatever is on the N5X screen and of course, pictures & videos ... presentations / slides should NOT be a problem. Depending on where OP is buying the Sony projector, I would take the N5X along to test it on the spot before buying/taking it home, unless familiar with it.

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