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As the title says, which display mode you are using and your thought on why?
I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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boodies said:
I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.
I went to basic for accuracy then went back to adaptive because I like the way it makes colors pop.
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Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.
started with adaptive the switched to basic and it just seems right
Been using photo.
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Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.
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Here are some bit on the Rec709 ^_^ It can probably reproduce them better too!
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Why is color accuracy important?
Color Accuracy is especially important when viewing photos from family and friends (because you often know exactly what they actually should look like), for some TV shows, movies, and sporting events with image content and colors that you are familiar with, and also for viewing online merchandise, so you have a very good idea of exactly what colors you are buying and are less likely to return them.
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I love the way adaptive goes color-crazy in bright sunlight, it's like turning the brightness to 11
Lol it goes to "11" brightness in all the other modes ad well.
I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.
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I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.
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Actually if you consider oversaturation a problem, go to basic mode. It has more accurate colors than the iphones. Here's displamate. Samsung is KING when it comes to display.
Basic Mode with the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Trying basic now. It starting to grow on me.
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I like the adapt mode, but then I had a problem getting a good night exposure with the camera. Finally I realized it was the display mode screwing with how the photo was displayed, not the photo itself, and I've been on basic ever since. Love it.
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Is there any reason to believe that the display mode could drastically change battery life? Logically i cant think of a reason it would, but the only change ive made in the last 2 days is from adaptive to basic, and my battery doesnt seem to be draining near as fast as it had.
Basic is the best.
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Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.
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Agreed 100%.
Basic is the most accurate phone display I've ever seen color wise and beats the iPhone 6 and 6 plus easily.
Did some comparisons between the Moto G5 plus and my old ASUS Zenfone 2. As soon as I started using it the colors seemed off, everything had this weird olive greenish hue and It didn't make any sense because launcher/homes seemed fine. But I'd browse a website, play pokemon go, or look at instagram and things were just washed out and dull while at the same time parts looked fine.
Finally found a test that explains what I was seeing and it's not good news. I was running the latest firmware with the volte fix. The app i used is called "DIsplay Tester" by "Brainntrapp" and open the test was "Banding, Contrast, Saturation" test. There are so many colors just missing on the G5 Plus the gradient looks horrible. The banding you see on the G5 plus was not visible in real life but the missing colors and hardness of the gradient was. Photos were taken with a Nikon D90 and Tamron 17-50 2.8.
The screen was driving me nuts so I didn't mess around with getting a replacement or sending to Moto to fix because I couldn't live with it if it didn't get resolved. I'll just have to keep looking/waiting for a replacement to my old zenfone.
Figured if any of you were having issues you could see if yours is similar, also curious to hear if you're _not_ having this issue as well which means it may make sense to buy once production issues are fixed.
I can't really tell any difference between Vibrant and Standard, but don't see any banding as in yours and think they look pretty decent imo.
The screen is on the less vibrant side than some others, but colors appear very accurate/realistic and the sharpness of detail is very good. My Moto X Pure screen is 1440p with more color depth but it has a yellowish tint to the whites in comparison. Coming from the Pure at first I thought the G5+ screen was going to be too bland, but after using it awhile I like its softer look which seems easier on the old eyes while still being very viewable.
I agree there's a really minimal difference between vibrant and standard. However, you took screenshots which will not show any issues as the actual data being sent is correct so we can't know if your screen does or doesn't have this issue. I had to take a picture of the screen with my DSLR and included my ASUS for comparison as a way to demonstrate the issue.
In the pictures I took, the hard breaks you see between the colors in the G5 are supposed to be smooth gradients and there is a ton of blue missing from the panel as well. This isn't just an issue of the screen being generally desaturated this is an uneven distribution of missing/desaturated colors. If it doesn't bother you that's certainly fine but it's very much an issue with the screen that should be addressed as it means that it is incapable of accurately reproducing colors even if the reproduction is pleasing to some. The banding I'm referring to is in the green section on my pictures and was not visible in real life and some form of artifact from taking the photo.
Sorry, I misread and thought you were referring to the banding as the main issue. I do see the more distinct color separation or breaks when looking at it directly in the app in either color mode. Just ran Display Tester on my Moto X Pure which shows the much more gradual blending (like on your ASUS) when looking at both phones side by side, although it should costing $150 more.
So it does indicate the G5+ lacks in color depth, something I noticed right away but which hasn't seemed like a minus after using it. The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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That's part of why this confuses me so much. The sharpness and viewing angles are amazing for an IPS panel I'm not sure if IPS has anything to do with the colors (the ASUS is also IPS). I'd be very curious if KCAL helps as it seems like it should be able to, it could also be as simple as a bad color mode on the panel driver? I'd love to see a comparison from a custom rom to stock. I'm very split on thinking it's a software issue or it's a hardware issue. I don't have enough knowledge or experience to really do anything useful, but I'm hoping that providing the info gives others an ability/info to understand and look into it.
KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. Even on KCAL's initial settings the color gradients looked drastically better, so whatever was causing the lousy color depth definitely seems to be corrected by it as the screen looks excellent now.
I'm running on stock using the extended kernel btw. Maybe someone using a custom ROM can post on whether the colors are noticeably better than on stock and also test it in DT for comparison. Seems it'd be more of a driver or configuration error or bug than something hardware related, so maybe Lenovorola will be able to fix it with an update.
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KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. .
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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What we have to help with the washed-out screen is KCAL support available in both custom kernels (ElementalX and Extended Stock) on this forum. After installing either kernel you'll need to use either EX Kernel Manager app or Kernel Adiutor app (both at Playstore) to access the color control settings. I also found the Display Tester app mentioned above useful for checking how the settings I made looked. My screen looks terrific now.
I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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That's indeed a very good setting. Thanks!
Saturation 50
Value 115
Contrast 140
Is what I've been using lately
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I tried that and looks pretty good. Going to tweak contrast and see too. We should start a thread sharing tweaks
There is no way to fix this without root or Custom Kernel?
So if I'm getting it right I have to run kcal v1.2 on my moto g5 plus and from there I have access to color controls, is that correct?
Unfortunately, I have this same issue, although I didn't realize it, because my wife used the phone on the wifi to talk on Facebook so I ran out of time to return it.
What makes it worse is that it's the amazon-ads version so I can't even root it.
I put this phone right next to 3 other phones (with all LCD screens to be fair) and the difference is kinda shocking. The G5plus looks like it's been bleached, all the colors are faded, like I pulled some sliders to make it less vibrant and more black/white.
My wife didn't notice it, since she was using a basic phone until she got herself a new phone and told me, that "how come this looks more colorful?" That's when I took a better look at the G5plus.
After using it as my daily driver for a week, this phone got some serious color issues. Interestingly the pictures I took looked awful on this phone, but when I looked at the same pics (uploaded to google photos) on my PC, they look ok, not missing any colors.
Another issue I noticed. I turned off auto screen brightness OFF, because it just doesn't work.
I walk out to sunshine and the screen won't brighten and when I walked inside it won't darken so I ended up manually changing the brightness.
Here is the interesting (or rather annoying) part: When I turn the brightness up, it seems like it makes the whites more glowing, while the dark /black (let's say a shadow of a tree) just either stays too dark or turns more grey, instead of brighter. It's like the brightness control is controlling the exposure and contrast only.
Despite I see youtube videos talking about its 4K video capability, I think this phone makes terrible videos, especially how the camera applies too much contrasts and the HDR doesn't help it.
I also believe, that it's not all and every single device have this problem, because I'm sure I'd seen more complaints. It's just horrible quality control, and that's Lenovo for you.
I tried color tuning apps, but nothing seem to work. It probably requires a root but since it's an Amazon phone, it won't help it. So the phone works great as a phone, it just have an awful screen and a mediocre camera
This phone may have been enough in 2016 and 17 with these weaknesses as a budget, but seeing all the new budget Chinese phones coming out this year, I would not recommend this phone unless you can pick it up for $100 or less.
This phone is going into my drawer as soon as my new LG G6 arrives and the G5plus will be only used as a backup phone. There is no way I would keep using this as a daily driver unless I have no other choice.
Hey guys, just bought a used 2XL off eBay. Everything seems as advertised but I had a couple questions. I'm coming from using an LG G7
1) the screen is a bit warm in hue, is this something normal after presumably 1 year of use?
2) does the Cam have the same features as on the 3 or is there a port I should download?
3) I haven't put my SIM into this. Any call issues or people? (I'm on Freedom in Canada and the phone was purchased from a seller in Canada)
4) anything else you might recommend or that I should be aware of coming from another Android phone?
Thanks for any replies!
Cheers
Not an owner yet, but I can say most phones screens can get warm because of the processor/battery at times. I would not worry about that. Also, you can check Kimovil or willmyphonework to see if it'll get full band support for Freedom. The only thing to be weary of from what I hear is the OLED burn in, which is a danger with any oled phone if you are careless
Are you comfortable with rooting your phone? If so you can put a custom kernel on the device and use a KCAL profile to cool the screens colors, that's what I do.
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@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
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P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
@VCan25:
P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
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Thanks for the detailed response! Been using it on and off for the day and it seems to verify your points. Actually I had tried a Pixel 3 before but call quality was terrible. Dropped calls and receivers couldn't hear me but had no issue today on the 2XL so that was a relief. I found the palette options and I guess it was set to a more saturated level which I didn't like but on natural it seems much better. And I was looking for Top Shot and Super Res Zoom, so I'll check out the ports to see what developers have been able to cook up. Photos have been great so far and I can see why people love the camera. The LG G7 was so saturated it lacked details on zooming in.
Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
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I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Natural mode can't be further adjusted. You have to choose Vivid to adjust RGB and color temp.
As far as best settings, it's difficult to say what yours should be. If the Note 10 is anything like the Note 8 or Note 9, you can lay four of them down next to each other with stock settings and they will all be different.
My Note 10+ seemed to have too much green tint and maybe just slightly cool. I left temp alone and just knocked green down one notch. But honestly, these screens are so close to perfect you can just leave it stock. Just play around with it, adjust it back and forth until it looks good to YOU. You're the one staring at it.
I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
According to article I linked above and here again http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_No...hootOut_1G.htm Natural mode supposed to be calibrated and automatically switch between sRGB and DCI-P3 depending on content. (I guess sRGB for pictures and web, DCI-P3 for 4k TV) and can't be easily adjusted. Then there is Vivid mode which uses full color gamut, display is capable of showing and you can adjust it with sliders to your liking or calibrate using instruments. I can't tell you if all phones are properly adjusted at factory (probably not), but according to article the one they had was right on the money and mine seems to be fine as well. BTW the eye can be easily fooled and calibrating instruments are the proper way to adjust it, if you need it. Yet, it is my phone, I don't use it for pro use, so I adjust it the way I like it and mine is set as vivid and gray seems to be neutral gray as far as I can tell without any tinkering. YDMW.
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I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
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One of the failings on Android, no color calibration.
You simple can't do it by eye and get all the parameters right.
It's fine for viewing but not editing photos until a company like Spyder steps up to the plate with a 3rd party calibration apk and tool.
Mine seemed best in natural mode with a slight amount of red added with an overlay apk and night mode turned at about the 10 or 20% level.
Lol, enough.
Just don't edit photo colors, temps etc. with or you may get a very rude surprise.
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
Ady1976 said:
Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
Batfink33 said:
Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION!".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Aside from the colours, the panel just looks much better. There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have. After years of trying to get the right tuning , contrast etc on my TVs I've decided to go with what I like , same for phones, the P6P just doesn't look that nice to me. PS. I didn't think the OP8Pronhad a good display either, mine had pretty bad green tint and black crush at low brightness.
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There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.
Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.
Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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The S21U is not "missing colors when in vibrant mode. Although you may find colors oversaturated.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.
Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.