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Hello,
I am new to Samsung and have a question.
Previously I have been an HTC user, and was able to restore a Developer version (HTC ONE) ROM to a At&t (HTC One) through TWRP.
So is it possible to flash a non At&t STOCK ROM to my At&t Note 4?
And also how would I go about rooting manually. CF-autoroot not available for the At&t version.
Thanks..
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@nasvi At this time there is no root or ability to flash anything other than AT&T roms.
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@nasvi At this time there is no root or ability to flash anything other than AT&T roms.
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Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...
nasvi said:
Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...
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I think you should have researched your purchase a little more of this is such a big issue for you. There will be root but you have to give it time.
nasvi said:
Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...
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Ya, I second that. Should have searched first. ATT = locked bootloader which means no easy root like T-mobile. Note 3 people with Kitkat had to wait 6 months for root. It was a similar wait for the S5. That exploit has been patched so it doesn't work on the Note 3 or Note 4. Expect to wait about 6 months for root.
Meanwhile, a dream team of the devs have moved to the T-mobile Note 4 which is compatible with ATT's network.
nasvi said:
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
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you didnt know this before buying the device?
No.. I did not..
I was assuming it would be as simple as HTC.
I got my HTC One the first day and within hours had bootloader unlocked and custom recovery installed, nandroid backup done, other non-Att stock ROM installed ( Developer Edition ). But I also had other options like ( Google Play Edition ). Downloaded Straight from official HTCDEV website.
I like the new Note 4 a lot.
But this is BS....
In addition to all the BS... att has removed Download Booster and internet calling options from settings. So I cant register a SIP account on my Note 4... This is just plain stupid...
What the Hell ATT???
mircury said:
Ya, I second that. Should have searched first. ATT = locked bootloader which means no easy root like T-mobile. Note 3 people with Kitkat had to wait 6 months for root. It was a similar wait for the S5. That exploit has been patched so it doesn't work on the Note 3 or Note 4. Expect to wait about 6 months for root.
Meanwhile, a dream team of the devs have moved to the T-mobile Note 4 which is compatible with ATT's network.
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Dude, I think from all of your posts that we understand you have a t-mobile Note 4 by now. It seems that you mention it in every post.
Not everyone is able to get a t-mobile Note 4 to use on the AT&T network for various reasons. I'm not saying you're asking him to in this particular response, but your song and dance is getting a little old.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Dude, I think from all of your posts that we understand you have a t-mobile Note 4 by now. It seems that you mention it in every post.
Not everyone is able to get a t-mobile Note 4 to use on the AT&T network for various reasons. I'm not saying you're asking him to in this particular response, but your song and dance is getting a little old.
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Ya, I agree I do feel like I'm beating a dead horse at times but people keep asking the same things. I'm just trying to help and give them the best options they have. Some have unrealistic expectations that root will be here in a week or a month and don't realize what has happened with previous Samsung phones. I saw the complaints, disappointment and $1000's of dollars in bounties in the note 3 and s5 forums and thought I would try and help as early as I could this time. I do feel like it's helped a great deal of people that would have made a mistake otherwise getting an ATT Note 4. Especially when it's so easy to avoid all the problems and have a great phone.
To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!
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To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!
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the problem is that if you want to buy it from the dealer across the street, you'll have to shell out $8xx, which most people cannot do. So they're forced to get the governed 45 mph device instead and hope that someone can help remove it.
I am curious as to whether anyone has even heard about a dev working on root for our AT&T variant. I keep seeing people say that there will be root "at some point" but I am not sure about that. It seems to me that the devs have simply given up on this one. I don't blame them either, I mean why bother with trying to get around locked bootloaders when you can simply move on to another device? I know that there must be someone out there trying if for no other reason than to take on the challenge but if so no one is talking about it.
nyydynasty said:
the problem is that if you want to buy it from the dealer across the street, you'll have to shell out $8xx, which most people cannot do. So they're forced to get the governed 45 mph device instead and hope that someone can help remove it.
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Ya, I've been in a similar situation before. One thing I did that may help is to sell it on Ebay (swappa is an option too) and then use the money to get the other device. That way you are out very little money.
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Ya, I agree I do feel like I'm beating a dead horse at times but people keep asking the same things. I'm just trying to help and give them the best options they have. Some have unrealistic expectations that root will be here in a week or a month and don't realize what has happened with previous Samsung phones. I saw the complaints, disappointment and $1000's of dollars in bounties in the note 3 and s5 forums and thought I would try and help as early as I could this time. I do feel like it's helped a great deal of people that would have made a mistake otherwise getting an ATT Note 4. Especially when it's so easy to avoid all the problems and have a great phone.
To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!
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No worries bro, I'm sorry if my post was too rude. I was just thinking if people are on xda and know a little about root, they either knew what they were getting into buying the AT&T version or they had to buy it for whatever reason.
But I also understand that a lot of people on xda don't know these things sometimes. No harm bro, good luck with this beautiful device!
I'm sure there is a dev out there who would love to conquer what other devs see ass "too much work" I mean it's honestly a good payout. Helps ALOT of people who finally get what they desire out of a device they shelled out alot for....instead of paying a lot for a disappointment a dev out there can solve all of that they can stick it to AT&T for f&#**!& it up for all of us...there is one somewhere...we should all beg hashcode to develop a safestrap for us at least like we had on the note 3....
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AcquiredIntellect said:
I'm sure there is a dev out there who would love to conquer what other devs see ass "too much work" I mean it's honestly a good payout. Helps ALOT of people who finally get what they desire out of a device they shelled out alot for....instead of paying a lot for a disappointment a dev out there can solve all of that they can stick it to AT&T for f&#**!& it up for all of us...there is one somewhere...we should all beg hashcode to develop a safestrap for us at least like we had on the note 3....
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That won't happen, he works for Google now.
This doesn't sound too good for our Note 4.
Now that it may only be possible to root by modifying the kernel, it seems that unlocking a device will be a requirement going forward.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...ew-modified-kernels-may-become-a-requirement/
Chainfire has already said his CF-ROOT method won't work on our Note 4 because the bootloader is locked.
That post was referring to devices with Android 5.0 or Lollipop. It cites the difficulty of rooting Android L due to Android closing up some security holes that allow devices to be rooted.
The takeaway from this that Note 4 users should adhere to is; ensure that you don't install any OTA updates from At&t if you want to root in the future with limited difficulty. At least that's what I believe the post boils down to.
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That post was referring to devices with Android 5.0 or Lollipop. It cites the difficulty of rooting Android L due to Android closing up some security holes that allow devices to be rooted.
The takeaway from this that Note 4 users should adhere to is; ensure that you don't install any OTA updates from At&t if you want to root in the future with limited difficulty. At least that's what I believe the post boils down to.
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That's a hard bargain considering I don't know anyone who WOULDN'T want to update to lollipop.
I'll stay of 5 if that means I can root this device. Honestly once rooted 5.0 roms can be developed and flashed so taking the Ota doesn't make sense for an xda community member.
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I'll stay of 5 if that means I can root this device. Honestly once rooted 5.0 roms can be developed and flashed so taking the Ota doesn't make sense for an xda community member.
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To be honest, flashing a rom on an AT&T note 4 seems very very unlikely.
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Yeah I know. It's looking more likely that this device may never be rooted. That is sad only because that is the main drawl to android for me is the ability to fully customize my device. I've never cared about the warrantee or tripping counters, I always know the risk I take. Maybe once I've paid off this phone I'll switch over to TMOBILE,that is as long as Google/Samsung haven't completely locked the phones down by then.
AT&T Locking down Note 4
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Yeah I know. It's looking more likely that this device may never be rooted. That is sad only because that is the main drawl to android for me is the ability to fully customize my device. I've never cared about the warrantee or tripping counters, I always know the risk I take. Maybe once I've paid off this phone I'll switch over to TMOBILE,that is as long as Google/Samsung haven't completely locked the phones down by then.
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Hell, if that's the way it's going to be, might as well switch to the iPhone 6 Plus....Yeah yeah I know....but at least with the iphone, NO BLOATWARE! I'll just overpay the $500 for the 128gb, and stick with that for at least 3, maybe 4 years....I know I'll be giving up widgets, and custom ROMS, but Hell, if we can't Root or unlock the bootloader, we're not going to have custom ROMs anyway. And all this bloatware is unacceptable. Oh well, I knew before I picked up the NOTE 4 yesterday, that ATT had locked down this phone, so it's my own fault I'm going to have to go through the tedious return process in less than 14 days from now...but at least Apple keeps getting away from dictating to ATT that they will NOT be allowed to put bloatware on the iphone.
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Hell, if that's the way it's going to be, might as well switch to the iPhone 6 Plus....Yeah yeah I know....but at least with the iphone, NO BLOATWARE! I'll just overpay the $500 for the 128gb, and stick with that for at least 3, maybe 4 years....I know I'll be giving up widgets, and custom ROMS, but Hell, if we can't Root or unlock the bootloader, we're not going to have custom ROMs anyway. And all this bloatware is unacceptable. Oh well, I knew before I picked up the NOTE 4 yesterday, that ATT had locked down this phone, so it's my own fault I'm going to have to go through the tedious return process in less than 14 days from now...but at least Apple keeps getting away from dictating to ATT that they will NOT be allowed to put bloatware on the iphone.
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Face to face, the note 4 decimates the iPhone. Root or no root. If you want root and don't care about the note features (which in assuming is the case since you're considering an elongated iPhone) why not get the nexus 6.
robstunner said:
Face to face, the note 4 decimates the iPhone. Root or no root. If you want root and don't care about the note features (which in assuming is the case since you're considering an elongated iPhone) why not get the nexus 6.
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You know, you have an excellent point. IF ATT doesn't try to lock down the Nexus 6, I think that is exactly what I'll do, though I'll miss the s-pen, but not like the iphone had that either. Better make sure I get the 64gb version since it has no microsd card slot. Or I can wait for Sony's enticing Z4 rumored for a March launch....don't know if ATT will be locking that one down either though...
It's a shame too, because I could give up custom ROM's, but NOT Root! I need my Titanium back-up!
I doubt they would lock down the Nexus line. The whole point of getting a Nexus device is for the open source features ie root and unlocked bootloader. I can understand why they lock down Galaxy devices. They are aimed at productivity and business so it makes sense they want them to be as secure as possible. What I don't understand is why people still complain. This has been going on for years and we have known that ever since the GS4 all future Samsung phone on the AT&T network would be locked down so if it's anyone fault it's the user who buys the phone expecting things to change. It's insanity at its heart. I'm not dissapointed because I bought the Note 4 knowing full well it'll probably never get root or an unlocked bootloader. Besides doing so voids all warranty anyways and I wouldn't wanna risk pretty much a 900 dollar device. Also Samsung has made great strides at appeasing people who like customizing there phones and cleaning up the UI. Still there is always that slim chance someone at Samsung will leak the unlock keys for the device. It's happened before and with how popular the Note 4 is getting, this might very well happen. If not, nobody to blame but ourselves.
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Thermalwolf said:
I doubt they would lock down the Nexus line. The whole point of getting a Nexus device is for the open source features ie root and unlocked bootloader. I can understand why they lock down Galaxy devices. They are aimed at productivity and business so it makes sense they want them to be as secure as possible. What I don't understand is why people still complain. This has been going on for years and we have known that ever since the GS4 all future Samsung phone on the AT&T network would be locked down so if it's anyone fault it's the user who buys the phone expecting things to change. It's insanity at its heart. I'm not dissapointed because I bought the Note 4 knowing full well it'll probably never get root or an unlocked bootloader. Besides doing so voids all warranty anyways and I wouldn't wanna risk pretty much a 900 dollar device. Also Samsung has made great strides at appeasing people who like customizing there phones and cleaning up the UI. Still there is always that slim chance someone at Samsung will leak the unlock keys for the device. It's happened before and with how popular the Note 4 is getting, this might very well happen. If not, nobody to blame but ourselves.
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Why complain ? Wanting more is absolutely normal. Aimed at business? Why would they do that? the most money is with everyday users. You remember that thing called blackberry ? Did they aim for business lol? Insanity at heart ? Such strong language. Usually there are ways to return back to stock so you wouldn't be risking much if such methods were avaliable.
Jspex said:
I'll stay of 5 if that means I can root this device. Honestly once rooted 5.0 roms can be developed and flashed so taking the Ota doesn't make sense for an xda community member.
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If you root on 4.4.4 and safestrap works to flash roms, you'll only be able to flash 4.4.4 roms, never a 5.0 rom.
That is, of course, unless the bootloader gets unlocked.
Right. To get to "L" with root you would either need an unlocked bootloader, or a root method that works on "L" after install.
4.4.x root + Safe strap won't ever get you to "L" by itself.
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Hell, I'm not that desperate to flash a custom rom anytime soon. I'd settle for Root so i can use my precious Titanium for backing up app/game save data AND to freeze Samsung and ATT's damn crapware.
I pledged $50 on the bounty thread for Root and No Trip Knox.
But as mentioned earlier, might take the Note 4 back and wait for Nexus 6.
You also could just get the tmobile note 4 and use it on att...
Sent from my Note3 Rocking DynamicKat or my G3
For backups you could use Helium.
But you are right, root would be very handy for bloat removal...
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the funny thing...is that the lg g3 from at&t seem to have root even if it come with locked bootloader??
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That post was referring to devices with Android 5.0 or Lollipop. It cites the difficulty of rooting Android L due to Android closing up some security holes that allow devices to be rooted.
The takeaway from this that Note 4 users should adhere to is; ensure that you don't install any OTA updates from At&t if you want to root in the future with limited difficulty. At least that's what I believe the post boils down to.
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About the only reason, right now anyways, that I would want root is so I can turn off a few more of the "bloat" apps. Right out of the box I was able to disable many of the offending apps. Sure- they are still installed but at least they are not running.
for my average usage, I am easily able to get through the day, (off charger at about 6AM and back on for bed around 10PM), with about 25-30% left over.
If we get root, GREAT! I'll dance a little dance around a campfire at midnite. :fingers-crossed:
If we don't get root, I'll be ok. TB will be lost to me but there are alternatives.
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That post was referring to devices with Android 5.0 or Lollipop. It cites the difficulty of rooting Android L due to Android closing up some security holes that allow devices to be rooted.
The takeaway from this that Note 4 users should adhere to is; ensure that you don't install any OTA updates from At&t if you want to root in the future with limited difficulty. At least that's what I believe the post boils down to.
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Actually it means that if you want a Note 4 on lollipop with AT&T you will not be able to have root.
Well at least without finding a way to unlock the boot loader. The only way to get root on lollipop is to modify the kernel. Which you CAN NOT do without an unlocked boot loader. So if root is a must have for you then you will be stuck on KitKat.
Unless some genius out there finds a way to unlock the boot loader having root on this phone will only last a short while.
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zxaz said:
the funny thing...is that the lg g3 from at&t seem to have root even if it come with locked bootloader??
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They figured out how to unlock the borrower on the lg g3. Which gives me a small bit of how we will see it for a Note 4 as well, but they still haven't figured out the note 3 so I'm am not holding my breath.
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optimusv45 said:
Why complain ? Wanting more is absolutely normal. Aimed at business? Why would they do that? the most money is with everyday users. You remember that thing called blackberry ? Did they aim for business lol? Insanity at heart ? Such strong language. Usually there are ways to return back to stock so you wouldn't be risking much if such methods were avaliable.
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Wanting more is normal but asking for something that's already been confirmed to not happen and for valid reasons is absolutely asinine and immature. There are ways to return to stock but there are not ways to fix KNOX from a voided phone. Seriously you make no sense. The Galaxy line has been indeed aimed more for business. Business is actually where the money is at. I'm not talking a couple small businesses buying a ten line bundle, I'm talking about corporate contracts, which is what Samsung is aiming for. You can't compare Blackberry to Samsung. Blackberry completely ignored the everyday user. Samsung aims at both but keeps business in mind first, hence why they are pushing KNOX and it is indeed working.
This is horrible not having root this long. It's a completely new and raw feeling. Every android phone I've ever had had got root the same day I picked it up. The og DROID was a development veteran. The Droid X, eh.. The galaxy nexus speaks for itself. The note 2 had great development as did my note 3. Then I pick up a AT&T note 4 thinking I had nothing to worry about as this is my first AT&T phone. A month later and even though this phone is awesome, its horrible not having root. I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...
I feel your pain...which is exactly why I'm chomping at the bit for my Nexus 6 to arrive . I'll probably carry them both, as I think the camera is better in the Note 4..........but I want my Xposed! I gotta save those snapchats! LOL
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This is horrible not having root this long. It's a completely new and raw feeling. Every android phone I've ever had had got root the same day I picked it up. The og DROID was a development veteran. The Droid X, eh.. The galaxy nexus speaks for itself. The note 2 had great development as did my note 3. Then I pick up a AT&T note 4 thinking I had nothing to worry about as this is my first AT&T phone. A month later and even though this phone is awesome, its horrible not having root. I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...
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Hard to believe you didn't do your research.. AT&T has been requesting locked bootloaders from the OEMs since before the Note 3.
Sad to say this phone will probably not get cracked before Lollipop gets pushed down. After that, thenodds are probably even more unlikely. I don't think, (even though there is a long list of folks donating), that we have actually gotten confirmation that any devs are working on an exploit for this one.
If you just must have root, you'd be better off using the T-Mobile variant.
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I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...
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it sucks but its the price we pay for having a more secure device.
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it sucks but its the price we pay for having a more secure device.
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If I wanted a "more secure" device, I would have bought an iPhone. Not having root on the N4 is frustrating.
Sell the phone and get a T-Mobile... That's what I'm going to do if no root come out soon
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If I wanted a "more secure" device, I would have bought an iPhone. Not having root on the N4 is frustrating.
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That would make sense except the iPhone is actually less secure... Already has jailbreak...
The fact is that AT&T and Verizon want non rootable phones. Period. And that isn't likely to change.
People that 'need' root need to make 100% sure a phone is rooted before they buy it. It is going to be more and more unlikely that phones with locked boot loaders will be rooted.
If you buy a phone that doesn't have root, then don't complain.
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People that 'need' root need to make 100% sure a phone is rooted before they buy it. It is going to be more and more unlikely that phones with locked boot loaders will be rooted.
If you buy a phone that doesn't have root, then don't complain.
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Exactly, this has been said enough, and most people have happily moved on to non root apps.
Honestly I can't believe I didn't do the research either. I should have known better smh. might have been a little to excited to snatch one up on my own line. But I'll definitely be selling it for a SM-N910T as soon as I can. What the f*ck AT&T.
Meh. You should have known before you bought it.
I am having a hard time believing all of this as well. I'm actually putting off my upgrade because of it. Sitting here with my year-old Note 3 that I rooted 2 hours after I bought it, kinda thinking about going another direction, I just really like my current plan
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How long did it take for the ATT note 3 to get rooted?
Blame Samsung
The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it
I might be in the minority but to me, for the first time ever since I started using Android, I don't feel like root is necessary. Sure, it would be nice to have Xposed and TiBu, but I seem to manage fine with this phone.
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The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it
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And what business reason is there for Samsung to do that? As long as people are buying the phones, they won't bother.
If sales falter (people buying tmobile instead of the att version doesn't count) and people are vocal on why, then something may change... But I doubt it.
Nexus 6
Mistake!
I bought my nexus 6 3 week ago.. I noticed immediately that the phone is faster that my note buy that's about it because my note had way more features, better hardware and I miss all of that now....
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The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it
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Amen... just upgraded to Note 4 from Note 2, two weeks after my AT&T contract expired and got a note from AT&T that I could now unlock my phone... whoops for them, a bit too late. Patiently waiting for these phone manufacturers to stop bending over for the carriers and start insisting on unlocked devices right out of the factory.
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If you have chosen to buy an AT&T/Verizon phone then you're gonna have to live with it, buddy. That's why I kept my N3 and didn't rush for the N4. That's what I've always done. Once a phone (from those two carriers) comes out, I'd just wait and watch for a couple of months if it gets rooted. If not then sell the old one and add a little bit of money and buy me an unlocked one.
From my Allianced S5!
If you want root figure a way to do it yourself, otherwise just wait patiently.
I got over not having root after maybe 5 or 6 days. Ads suck but the Note performs better than my old rooted phone, and the camera is epic, I can live without root...
so why do all the other note 4 variants have roms except for att?
xtkxhom3r said:
so why do all the other note 4 variants have roms except for att?
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1. Locked bootloader (so no custom recovery for flashing ROMS, unless we get Safestrap)
2. No Root (no root, then no Safestrap)
Verizon is the same way with the normal consumer edition. The only reason they have ROMs is for the Developer Edition version that Verizon has.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/sm-n910-cf-auto-root-t2897428
that root wont work??
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/sm-n910-cf-auto-root-t2897428
that root wont work??
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No. Our device is not on that list. We have the N910A version (AT&T obviously).
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Also, even with root on the ATT version, Safestrap may not work because of SELinux. It may take additional months of development time to figure out a new hook (if it's been fixed) to install the safestrap hijack. SELinux has to be set to permissive for safestrap no matter what and I don't know if that's possible with root on the note 4 with a locked bootloader. Lot's of questions still to be answered.
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Also, even with root on the ATT version, Safestrap may not work because of SELinux. It may take additional months of development time to figure out a new hook (if it's been fixed) to install the safestrap hijack. SELinux has to be set to permissive for safestrap no matter what and I don't know if that's possible with root on the note 4 with a locked bootloader. Lot's of questions still to be answered.
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and THAT is why I decided to buy a SM-910T. I just don't see root coming for the AT&T phone anytime soon. Developers are already doing great work on the T mobile Variant which works on AT&T, Personally I passed on the Note 3 because of "safestrap" I wanted a device I could use ODIN on and flash a custom recovery without worry about bootloaders.
tbong777 said:
and THAT is why I decided to buy a SM-910T. I just don't see root coming for the AT&T phone anytime soon. Developers are already doing great work on the T mobile Variant which works on AT&T, Personally I passed on the Note 3 because of "safestrap" I wanted a device I could use ODIN on and flash a custom recovery without worry about bootloaders.
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Yea thanks, we got it, you bought a t-mobile version.
dam....oh well the wait continues then thanks for all the great info guys
brittoking said:
Yea thanks, we got it, you bought a t-mobile version.
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Apparently you didn't...Don't feel bad......There are still may available on Swappa. Break from those AT&T chains and enjoy the freedom of owning your device completely in and out.
Here ya go Here ya go take your choice
http://swappa.com/buy/samsung-galaxy-note-4-tmobile
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Apparently you didn't...Don't feel bad......There are still may available on Swappa. Break from those AT&T chains and enjoy the freedom of owning your device completely in and out.
Here ya go Here ya go take your choice
http://swappa.com/buy/samsung-galaxy-note-4-tmobile
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I don't want or need a t-mobile device to use with my AT&T coverage, if I did I'd get t-mobile coverage and drop my AT&T plan, nor am I willing to spend $600-700 on a PHONE. I'm with the majority if people here, we have the coverage we have for whatever reasons, and I'm not going to switch or buy a PHONE outright for root. It's normal to pay nothing down for a phone or $200-300, not buy models from random strangers for $600 dollars. I'm not on here talking about root or begging for it, demanding it, and I'm sure as heck not on here just popping through each thread with negativity and unwanted condescending remarks. Maybe go to the T-mobile forums and put people and ideas down for fun over there?
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I don't want or need a t-mobile device to use with my AT&T coverage, if I did I'd get t-mobile coverage and drop my AT&T plan, nor am I willing to spend $600-700 on a PHONE. I'm with the majority if people here, we have the coverage we have for whatever reasons, and I'm not going to switch or buy a PHONE outright for root. It's normal to pay nothing down for a phone or $200-300, not buy models from random strangers for $600 dollars. I'm not on here talking about root or begging for it, demanding it, and I'm sure as heck not on here just popping through each thread with negativity and unwanted condescending remarks. Maybe go to the T-mobile forums and put people and ideas down for fun over there?
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Then what are you doing in a ROM Thread? Wishful thinking? No reason to put T mobile users down They have unlocked boot loader phones on a carrier they love...WIN WIN>
Just educating you. First of all there will be NO root for the ATT Note 4. Deal with it. T mobile coverage is not as good as ATT coverage here, Have to buy an open phone to gain full benefit of the device.
The days of subsidized phones are ALREADY gone, You are paying up to $300 a year in HIGHER rates for subsidized phones, than those purchased. The NEXT program is a joke. $825 plus tax for a locked down Phone? Not a chance...
In fact the way things are set up its more expensive to buy a subsidized phone, You will pay $900+ for a $700 phone. They will get it now or later, Either way you will be paying all the money for a device and more in service fees if you buy subsidized......... That device at those prices may as well be unlocked and allow you to do with it what you want.
Unless you are into fraud. Rooting a phone eliminates warranty. Once you root a device you are on your own. Random strangers have never sold me or anyone i know a bad device. Checks and balances are in place to keep that from happening whether PayPal or Swappa who insists they run the ESN to make sure it's clear.
There is zero risk in buying used devices. Been doing it for years with my phones, No contracts. Lowest rates and less expensive phones.
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Then what are you doing in a ROM Thread? Wishful thinking? No reason to put T mobile users down They have unlocked boot loader phones on a carrier they love...WIN WIN>
Just educating you. First of all there will be NO root for the ATT Note 4. Deal with it. T mobile coverage is not as good as ATT coverage here, Have to buy an open phone to gain full benefit of the device.
The days of subsidized phones are ALREADY gone, You are paying up to $300 a year in HIGHER rates for subsidized phones, than those purchased. The NEXT program is a joke. $825 plus tax for a locked down Phone? Not a chance...
In fact the way things are set up its more expensive to buy a subsidized phone, You will pay $900+ for a $700 phone. They will get it now or later, Either way you will be paying all the money for a device and more in service fees if you buy subsidized......... That device at those prices may as well be unlocked and allow you to do with it what you want.
Unless you are into fraud. Rooting a phone eliminates warranty. Once you root a device you are on your own. Random strangers have never sold me or anyone i know a bad device. Checks and balances are in place to keep that from happening whether PayPal or Swappa who insists they run the ESN to make sure it's clear.
There is zero risk in buying used devices. Been doing it for years with my phones, No contracts. Lowest rates and less expensive phones.
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Another argument over nothing ?
You're happy with your T-mobile phone, period
Don't kill other people's hopes for root just because you *think* there's not gonna be root. If you're right about it, then great, if not, then you're being negative for nothing
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Another argument over nothing ��
You're happy with your T-mobile phone, period
Don't kill other people's hopes for root just because you *think* there's not gonna be root. If you're right about it, then great, if not, then you're being negative for nothing
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I KNOW there won't be root. Been doing this for 5 years. Know developers. They have too many WORKING UNLOCKED devices to spend their time on. You won't see root for the ATT phone. Just trying to educate.
Petitions and a few thousand of "pledges" (rarely fully collected) are not going to make a difference. If I thought there would be root I would have bought the ATT Variant and waited. Look at the Note 4 development threads. How many does ATT have? 1? 2? Note 4 has been on the street
two months and there is ONE thread in the development section. There's your sign.
Hey I would love to see a developer prove me wrong but they are too busy working on phones and collecting donations from people who have devices that can handle their work. Screw AT&T
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I KNOW there won't be root. Been doing this for 5 years. Know developers. They have too many WORKING UNLOCKED devices to spend their time on. You won't see root for the ATT phone. Just trying to educate.
Petitions and a few thousand of "pledges" (rarely fully collected) are not going to make a difference. If I thought there would be root I would have bought the ATT Variant and waited. Look at the Note 4 development threads. How many does ATT have? 1? 2? Note 4 has been on the street
two months and there is ONE thread in the development section. There's your sign.
Hey I would love to see a developer prove me wrong but they are too busy working on phones and collecting donations from people who have devices that can handle their work. Screw AT&T
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And people said the same thing about the att GS5.
tbong777 said:
I KNOW there won't be root. Been doing this for 5 years. Know developers. They have too many WORKING UNLOCKED devices to spend their time on. You won't see root for the ATT phone. Just trying to educate.
Petitions and a few thousand of "pledges" (rarely fully collected) are not going to make a difference. If I thought there would be root I would have bought the ATT Variant and waited. Look at the Note 4 development threads. How many does ATT have? 1? 2? Note 4 has been on the street
two months and there is ONE thread in the development section. There's your sign.
Hey I would love to see a developer prove me wrong but they are too busy working on phones and collecting donations from people who have devices that can handle their work. Screw AT&T
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5 years of preaching and caps?
I doubt there's going to be root for this device either, many people don't. You don't see any of them bashing on others who hope for root. Tell people things they don't wanna hear and they'll ignore you, do it constantly and they'll hate you.
If you're in here to put people down, then why be here?
Keep the thread clean
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5 years of preaching and caps?
I doubt there's going to be root for this device either, many people don't. You don't see any of them bashing on others who hope for root. Tell people things they don't wanna hear and they'll ignore you, do it constantly and they'll hate you.
If you're in here to put people down, then why be here?
Keep the thread clean
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I don't care who "ignores me" LOL But when some one starts a thread title "No Roms Yet? when the development section has O N E thread...I have to laugh first then educate. Look at the T Mobile Development threads. There is his answer....and his ROMS
Keeping the thread clean means educating the OP. No ROMS yet? Ummm No....and the device has been on the street two months and not even a hint of a custom recovery or root. Sometimes it does not pay to be an early adopter. Know what yee are buying and the capabilities for $800.....Thats a pretty good idea
So, what part of educating involves laughter? You've been through nearly every thread involving root in this forum spewing about how great it is that YOU got an unlcoekd TMO N4. Nothing about what you have done or said has contributed in any manner. It's just you acting tough and thrilled behind a keyboard. Nothing more.
At the end of the day, you got what made you happy. Stop being someone with no worth to bring and just enjoy your device. Someone presents a question, just answer it straight out. No need to mock or toss your "superiority" into anyone's face. Whether root happens or not, the device will work as is.
No one is telling you how to spend your money, so why go around telling people how to spend theirs. Like I said, enjoy what you have. Let others do the same. You got a TMO N4, go to the TMO thread and be an ass there.
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and THAT is why I decided to buy a SM-910T. I just don't see root coming for the AT&T phone anytime soon.
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lyrical1278 said:
So, what part of educating involves laughter? You've been through nearly every thread involving root in this forum spewing about how great it is that YOU got an unlcoekd TMO N4. Nothing about what you have done or said has contributed in any manner. It's just you acting tough and thrilled behind a keyboard. Nothing more.
At the end of the day, you got what made you happy. Stop being someone with no worth to bring and just enjoy your device. Someone presents a question, just answer it straight out. No need to mock or toss your "superiority" into anyone's face. Whether root happens or not, the device will work as is.
No one is telling you how to spend your money, so why go around telling people how to spend theirs. Like I said, enjoy what you have. Let others do the same. You got a TMO N4, go to the TMO thread and be an ass there.
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No Roms yet? Yeah Thats funny considering the phone has been out over two months and the development section has ONE thread. I have never seen a device out this long without any development action,. I know some developers who are just saying no to ATT. Not worth it
If one person reads my rants and saves $800 buying a locked up device and instead buys the T Mobile version I will feel vindicated. IF they don;t want root and want to keep their warranty intact they have the right device.
"Never post in a demanding, argumentative, disrespectful or self-righteous manner."
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Demanding: Telling others how to spend their money
Argumentative: Arguing with those whom don't have the same opinion
Disrespectful: Laughing at others whom want progress with the AT&T thred
Self-righteous Manner: Repeatedly telling others that you bought a T-mobile Note 4 and claiming that it's the best thing ever
Highly unlikely there will be a root for the AT&T version but lets see... Post any "root" progress or discussion here...
This post should be titled Pigs Flying Progress.
Not to be rude, but we can come back to this thread a year from now on a non-rooted AT&T Note 5.
Why?
Because it's locked hard core. Most people will just buy a non att version and unlock it. Sucks for the few that didn't want to pay $1200 for the phone. I just want root to remove crap and a custom kernel no rooms for me.
Any idea who said it is locked hardcore? Did somebody actually try?
I tried it today. I used pumpkin, apple, sunflower, even tomato seeds. No roots yet.
luciferiusXI said:
Any idea who said it is locked hardcore? Did somebody actually try?
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It's Knox locked for now tell someone cracks it or a unlocked bootloader is leaked.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
That article is rubbish. I believe there simply aren't any good hackers working on this project. Autoprime has always rooted lots of impossible devices, but unfortunately there isn't any interest on this one. Those that are interested have no knowledge, therefore cut it short and just say that root is impossible.
Just know that in the future if you want a rooted device don't go through AT&T, I think that's been pretty clear for awhile now.
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Just know that in the future if you want a rooted device don't go through AT&T, I think that's been pretty clear for awhile now.
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Nothing is impossible
luciferiusXI said:
Nothing is impossible
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I would like to share in your optimism, but you likely never owned the AT&T note 4...still waiting on a root there a year in.
whmgreen said:
I would like to share in your optimism, but you likely never owned the AT&T note 4...still waiting on a root there a year in.
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I owned but my theory is different. I believe that we can't achieve root because there aren't any more great developers working on the att note series. Number of developers kept decreasing every year. Most of the good ones grew up, found real jobs, have family and stuff and no free time to mess with the phones. Note 1 and note 2 had great developers then Note 3 was slow then Note 4 had 0 developers and same situation with Note 5. So at this point there only are themers left out there but no real developers. Anyways even if there was root on this device I doubt I would root it. First time I am very happy with stock rom experience on an android phone.
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I owned but my theory is different. I believe that we can't achieve root because there aren't any more great developers working on the att note series. Number of developers kept decreasing every year. Most of the good ones grew up, found real jobs, have family and stuff and no free time to mess with the phones. Note 1 and note 2 had great developers then Note 3 was slow then Note 4 had 0 developers and same situation with Note 5. So at this point there only are themers left out there but no real developers. Anyways even if there was root on this device I doubt I would root it. First time I am very happy with stock rom experience on an android phone.
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I'm actually fine with not rooting either the note 4 or note 5, they are both very fast after some light tweaking. The argument that there isn't enough developers is fair, but I believe there isn't more development because these phones are very hard to crack. You can hack a temporary root for the note 4, but I doubt that will be possible with the note 5. Either way these are superior phones to those a few years ago which were barely useable without root.
I'm not feeling the need to root this phone. My wife has my LG G3 (T-Mobile variant on AT&T). That was my phone prior to the Note 5. It was plenty quick on AOSP (not very quick on a stock-like ROM). Playing with it after using the Note 5 and it surprises me the LG feels slow. The Note 5 is plenty of snappy.
My only gripe...no Titanium Backup and no Ad Blocker. I've got Firefox as the browser and an ad blocker plugin for that but for the other apps I don't have any luck. I know there's AdGuard but don't feel like using that one.
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I'm not feeling the need to root this phone. My wife has my LG G3 (T-Mobile variant on AT&T). That was my phone prior to the Note 5. It was plenty quick on AOSP (not very quick on a stock-like ROM). Playing with it after using the Note 5 and it surprises me the LG feels slow. The Note 5 is plenty of snappy.
My only gripe...no Titanium Backup and no Ad Blocker. I've got Firefox as the browser and an ad blocker plugin for that but for the other apps I don't have any luck. I know there's AdGuard but don't feel like using that one.
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Do you mind posting a link of the adblocker pluginfor firefox?
luciferiusXI said:
Do you mind posting a link of the adblocker pluginfor firefox?
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Install Firefox from Play Store
Then go to: Settings --> Tools --> Addons
Search for uBlock Origin
Done
This is the direct link if you can't find it...
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin/?src=search
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I'm actually fine with not rooting either the note 4 or note 5, they are both very fast after some light tweaking. The argument that there isn't enough developers is fair, but I believe there isn't more development because these phones are very hard to crack. You can hack a temporary root for the note 4, but I doubt that will be possible with the note 5. Either way these are superior phones to those a few years ago which were barely useable without root.
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Getting mine tomorrow, what light tweaking do you mean?
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Getting mine tomorrow, what light tweaking do you mean?
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Disabling apps with package disabler pro, turning off unneeded sensor stuff, and things like hd voice (since it's not in my area anyways).