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[Q] Root & non At&t ROM for At&t Note 4

Hello,
I am new to Samsung and have a question.
Previously I have been an HTC user, and was able to restore a Developer version (HTC ONE) ROM to a At&t (HTC One) through TWRP.
So is it possible to flash a non At&t STOCK ROM to my At&t Note 4?
And also how would I go about rooting manually. CF-autoroot not available for the At&t version.
Thanks..

nasvi said:
Hello...
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Thanks.

@nasvi At this time there is no root or ability to flash anything other than AT&T roms.

ekinnee said:
@nasvi At this time there is no root or ability to flash anything other than AT&T roms.
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Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...

nasvi said:
Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...
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I think you should have researched your purchase a little more of this is such a big issue for you. There will be root but you have to give it time.

nasvi said:
Do you think something will be available in about 2 weeks.
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
Oh well... if noting come up between now and my return date, I will say goodnye to sammy.
Thank you...
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Ya, I second that. Should have searched first. ATT = locked bootloader which means no easy root like T-mobile. Note 3 people with Kitkat had to wait 6 months for root. It was a similar wait for the S5. That exploit has been patched so it doesn't work on the Note 3 or Note 4. Expect to wait about 6 months for root.
Meanwhile, a dream team of the devs have moved to the T-mobile Note 4 which is compatible with ATT's network.

nasvi said:
I am thinking about returning/Selling the Note 4 since no root is available, and buying a One Plus One.
I refuse to use a device with all the crap Att has put on it (Bloatware, Spyware).
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you didnt know this before buying the device?

No.. I did not..
I was assuming it would be as simple as HTC.
I got my HTC One the first day and within hours had bootloader unlocked and custom recovery installed, nandroid backup done, other non-Att stock ROM installed ( Developer Edition ). But I also had other options like ( Google Play Edition ). Downloaded Straight from official HTCDEV website.
I like the new Note 4 a lot.
But this is BS....

In addition to all the BS... att has removed Download Booster and internet calling options from settings. So I cant register a SIP account on my Note 4... This is just plain stupid...
What the Hell ATT???

mircury said:
Ya, I second that. Should have searched first. ATT = locked bootloader which means no easy root like T-mobile. Note 3 people with Kitkat had to wait 6 months for root. It was a similar wait for the S5. That exploit has been patched so it doesn't work on the Note 3 or Note 4. Expect to wait about 6 months for root.
Meanwhile, a dream team of the devs have moved to the T-mobile Note 4 which is compatible with ATT's network.
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Dude, I think from all of your posts that we understand you have a t-mobile Note 4 by now. It seems that you mention it in every post.
Not everyone is able to get a t-mobile Note 4 to use on the AT&T network for various reasons. I'm not saying you're asking him to in this particular response, but your song and dance is getting a little old.

WizeGuyDezignz said:
Dude, I think from all of your posts that we understand you have a t-mobile Note 4 by now. It seems that you mention it in every post.
Not everyone is able to get a t-mobile Note 4 to use on the AT&T network for various reasons. I'm not saying you're asking him to in this particular response, but your song and dance is getting a little old.
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Ya, I agree I do feel like I'm beating a dead horse at times but people keep asking the same things. I'm just trying to help and give them the best options they have. Some have unrealistic expectations that root will be here in a week or a month and don't realize what has happened with previous Samsung phones. I saw the complaints, disappointment and $1000's of dollars in bounties in the note 3 and s5 forums and thought I would try and help as early as I could this time. I do feel like it's helped a great deal of people that would have made a mistake otherwise getting an ATT Note 4. Especially when it's so easy to avoid all the problems and have a great phone.
To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!

mircury said:
To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!
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the problem is that if you want to buy it from the dealer across the street, you'll have to shell out $8xx, which most people cannot do. So they're forced to get the governed 45 mph device instead and hope that someone can help remove it.

I am curious as to whether anyone has even heard about a dev working on root for our AT&T variant. I keep seeing people say that there will be root "at some point" but I am not sure about that. It seems to me that the devs have simply given up on this one. I don't blame them either, I mean why bother with trying to get around locked bootloaders when you can simply move on to another device? I know that there must be someone out there trying if for no other reason than to take on the challenge but if so no one is talking about it.

nyydynasty said:
the problem is that if you want to buy it from the dealer across the street, you'll have to shell out $8xx, which most people cannot do. So they're forced to get the governed 45 mph device instead and hope that someone can help remove it.
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Ya, I've been in a similar situation before. One thing I did that may help is to sell it on Ebay (swappa is an option too) and then use the money to get the other device. That way you are out very little money.

mircury said:
Ya, I agree I do feel like I'm beating a dead horse at times but people keep asking the same things. I'm just trying to help and give them the best options they have. Some have unrealistic expectations that root will be here in a week or a month and don't realize what has happened with previous Samsung phones. I saw the complaints, disappointment and $1000's of dollars in bounties in the note 3 and s5 forums and thought I would try and help as early as I could this time. I do feel like it's helped a great deal of people that would have made a mistake otherwise getting an ATT Note 4. Especially when it's so easy to avoid all the problems and have a great phone.
To me it's like buying a car from a dealer that puts a governor stuck at 45mph when you can go to the dealer across the street that lets you use it to the full potential.
I realize some people can't and that's fine. Feel free to ignore me. Thanks!
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No worries bro, I'm sorry if my post was too rude. I was just thinking if people are on xda and know a little about root, they either knew what they were getting into buying the AT&T version or they had to buy it for whatever reason.
But I also understand that a lot of people on xda don't know these things sometimes. No harm bro, good luck with this beautiful device!

I'm sure there is a dev out there who would love to conquer what other devs see ass "too much work" I mean it's honestly a good payout. Helps ALOT of people who finally get what they desire out of a device they shelled out alot for....instead of paying a lot for a disappointment a dev out there can solve all of that they can stick it to AT&T for f&#**!& it up for all of us...there is one somewhere...we should all beg hashcode to develop a safestrap for us at least like we had on the note 3....
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AcquiredIntellect said:
I'm sure there is a dev out there who would love to conquer what other devs see ass "too much work" I mean it's honestly a good payout. Helps ALOT of people who finally get what they desire out of a device they shelled out alot for....instead of paying a lot for a disappointment a dev out there can solve all of that they can stick it to AT&T for f&#**!& it up for all of us...there is one somewhere...we should all beg hashcode to develop a safestrap for us at least like we had on the note 3....
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That won't happen, he works for Google now.

Sad panda here :(

This is horrible not having root this long. It's a completely new and raw feeling. Every android phone I've ever had had got root the same day I picked it up. The og DROID was a development veteran. The Droid X, eh.. The galaxy nexus speaks for itself. The note 2 had great development as did my note 3. Then I pick up a AT&T note 4 thinking I had nothing to worry about as this is my first AT&T phone. A month later and even though this phone is awesome, its horrible not having root. I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...

I feel your pain...which is exactly why I'm chomping at the bit for my Nexus 6 to arrive . I'll probably carry them both, as I think the camera is better in the Note 4..........but I want my Xposed! I gotta save those snapchats! LOL

treytreytaylor said:
This is horrible not having root this long. It's a completely new and raw feeling. Every android phone I've ever had had got root the same day I picked it up. The og DROID was a development veteran. The Droid X, eh.. The galaxy nexus speaks for itself. The note 2 had great development as did my note 3. Then I pick up a AT&T note 4 thinking I had nothing to worry about as this is my first AT&T phone. A month later and even though this phone is awesome, its horrible not having root. I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...
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Hard to believe you didn't do your research.. AT&T has been requesting locked bootloaders from the OEMs since before the Note 3.
Sad to say this phone will probably not get cracked before Lollipop gets pushed down. After that, thenodds are probably even more unlikely. I don't think, (even though there is a long list of folks donating), that we have actually gotten confirmation that any devs are working on an exploit for this one.
If you just must have root, you'd be better off using the T-Mobile variant.

treytreytaylor said:
I don't blame anyone but AT&T. What's a**holes. I LONG for Viper Audio & Xposed...
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it sucks but its the price we pay for having a more secure device.

nyydynasty said:
it sucks but its the price we pay for having a more secure device.
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If I wanted a "more secure" device, I would have bought an iPhone. Not having root on the N4 is frustrating.

Sell the phone and get a T-Mobile... That's what I'm going to do if no root come out soon

flexfield said:
If I wanted a "more secure" device, I would have bought an iPhone. Not having root on the N4 is frustrating.
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That would make sense except the iPhone is actually less secure... Already has jailbreak...
The fact is that AT&T and Verizon want non rootable phones. Period. And that isn't likely to change.
People that 'need' root need to make 100% sure a phone is rooted before they buy it. It is going to be more and more unlikely that phones with locked boot loaders will be rooted.
If you buy a phone that doesn't have root, then don't complain.

JasonJoel said:
People that 'need' root need to make 100% sure a phone is rooted before they buy it. It is going to be more and more unlikely that phones with locked boot loaders will be rooted.
If you buy a phone that doesn't have root, then don't complain.
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Exactly, this has been said enough, and most people have happily moved on to non root apps.

Honestly I can't believe I didn't do the research either. I should have known better smh. might have been a little to excited to snatch one up on my own line. But I'll definitely be selling it for a SM-N910T as soon as I can. What the f*ck AT&T.

Meh. You should have known before you bought it.

I am having a hard time believing all of this as well. I'm actually putting off my upgrade because of it. Sitting here with my year-old Note 3 that I rooted 2 hours after I bought it, kinda thinking about going another direction, I just really like my current plan
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How long did it take for the ATT note 3 to get rooted?

Blame Samsung
The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it

I might be in the minority but to me, for the first time ever since I started using Android, I don't feel like root is necessary. Sure, it would be nice to have Xposed and TiBu, but I seem to manage fine with this phone.

redstar299 said:
The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it
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And what business reason is there for Samsung to do that? As long as people are buying the phones, they won't bother.
If sales falter (people buying tmobile instead of the att version doesn't count) and people are vocal on why, then something may change... But I doubt it.

Nexus 6
Mistake!
I bought my nexus 6 3 week ago.. I noticed immediately that the phone is faster that my note buy that's about it because my note had way more features, better hardware and I miss all of that now....

redstar299 said:
The bottom line is SAMSUNG makes the phone, not ATT. They should stop being a bunch of ******* and just say our phone comes with an unlocked bootloader. PERIOD. What are they going to do? Not carry the hottest device out there? I doubt it
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Amen... just upgraded to Note 4 from Note 2, two weeks after my AT&T contract expired and got a note from AT&T that I could now unlock my phone... whoops for them, a bit too late. Patiently waiting for these phone manufacturers to stop bending over for the carriers and start insisting on unlocked devices right out of the factory.
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If you have chosen to buy an AT&T/Verizon phone then you're gonna have to live with it, buddy. That's why I kept my N3 and didn't rush for the N4. That's what I've always done. Once a phone (from those two carriers) comes out, I'd just wait and watch for a couple of months if it gets rooted. If not then sell the old one and add a little bit of money and buy me an unlocked one.
From my Allianced S5!

If you want root figure a way to do it yourself, otherwise just wait patiently.

I got over not having root after maybe 5 or 6 days. Ads suck but the Note performs better than my old rooted phone, and the camera is epic, I can live without root...

What is taking so long for G4 to get root??

I really want the g4 to get root access. I even have the H815 model but its a United States model. Is there any rooting methods for my model yet? I tried the LG Dev website and said doesnt support it yet.

Evnul000 said:
I really want the g4 to get root access. I even have the H815 model but its a United States model. Is there any rooting methods for my model yet? I tried the LG Dev website and said doesnt support it yet.
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There are developers activly working on it. Be patient, LG hopefully will allow bootloader unlock soon. Untill then, no root method is currently available to us.
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There are some threads already about this, but to answer, it could be lots of factors. Some I read and some I made up
-Devs don't want to post and provide support for a 119 steps guide.
-The method they found is so risky that even doing it successfully has high chances of bricking the phone.
-The root exploit might reveal a concerning security hole so exploitable by malicious Apps/hackers that LG is gonna patch it right away.
-They're making a KOOL App/Scrip with some extras and a nice UI, capable of overcome any possible issues. Like survive the most hostile OTAs
-They might want to sell that ^ App.
-The App could be ready but some of the involved developers are not happy with it.
-They could be waiting for a $bounty$ that justifies the time they have spent on the project.
-The method they found does not qualify for that bounty.
-They have a life, Vacations and a nice Summer. Why to spend it in front of a monitor?

Then how long does it usually take for a stable way to root on a new device?

Evnul000 said:
Then how long does it usually take for a stable way to root on a new device?
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Depending on the device it can take months. For example when i was developing for the Samsung S3. The USA Variant was rooted in around 1 month after the phone came out.
But the Australian one. Diff File Partition and had LTE took almost 6 months extra time to root because of the changes.
So just be patient buddy, you will know when it comes out. It's one of them things like a game bug you are waiting on. It takes time to Test it, source devices, package the software, approve the package. and test them on many phones from around the world. This all takes time cobba.
None of us want a pre-Release that could potentially BRICK our device. I didn't pay 800$ to buy a bookmark you get me?
So just :chill: ~ Narcarsiss out.

Evnul000 said:
I really want the g4 to get root access. I even have the H815 model but its a United States model. Is there any rooting methods for my model yet? I tried the LG Dev website and said doesnt support it yet.
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In simple words bounty. Sooner, you raise it, earlier you get it. Just joking. I think, we all G4 users equally wants the Root on our device, nobody is an exception, sorry!

How about just use your phone. Root comes when it comes.

Evnul000 said:
I really want the g4 to get root access. I even have the H815 model but its a United States model. Is there any rooting methods for my model yet? I tried the LG Dev website and said doesnt support it yet.
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People need to seriously stop asking this. It's getting quite annoying and I'm not even a Dev so I can only imagine how annoying it is for them.
GUGUITOMTG4 said:
There are some threads already about this, but to answer, it could be lots of factors. Some I read and some I made up
-Devs don't want to post and provide support for a 119 steps guide.
-The method they found is so risky that even doing it successfully has high chances of bricking the phone.
-The root exploit might reveal a concerning security hole so exploitable by malicious Apps/hackers that LG is gonna patch it right away.
-They're making a KOOL App/Scrip with some extras and a nice UI, capable of overcome any possible issues. Like survive the most hostile OTAs
-They might want to sell that ^ App.
-The App could be ready but some of the involved developers are not happy with it.
-They could be waiting for a $bounty$ that justifies the time they have spent on the project.
-The method they found does not qualify for that bounty.
-They have a life, Vacations and a nice Summer. Why to spend it in front of a monitor?
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Devs don't usually wait for bounties to go up.It's probably more annoying on their part to hear constant whining than waiting for more money (which never pays out that much anyways). Any root method they have will qualify for the bounty I posted. The unlock bootloader will be the only part that might not qualify.

Evnul000 said:
I really want the g4 to get root access. I even have the H815 model but its a United States model. Is there any rooting methods for my model yet? I tried the LG Dev website and said doesnt support it yet.
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My guess is when the g5 comes out we shall have root. If root is a must this is not the phone for you. I would head on over to Samsung for your needs or nexus.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & LG G4

BACARDILIMON said:
My guess is when the g5 comes out we shall have root. If root is a must this is not the phone for you. I would head on over to Samsung for your needs or nexus.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 & LG G4
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I am about to do that

narcarsiss said:
Depending on the device it can take months. For example when i was developing for the Samsung S3. The USA Variant was rooted in around 1 month after the phone came out.
But the Australian one. Diff File Partition and had LTE took almost 6 months extra time to root because of the changes.
So just be patient buddy, you will know when it comes out. It's one of them things like a game bug you are waiting on. It takes time to Test it, source devices, package the software, approve the package. and test them on many phones from around the world. This all takes time cobba.
None of us want a pre-Release that could potentially BRICK our device. I didn't pay 800$ to buy a bookmark you get me?
So just :chill: ~ Narcarsiss out.
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You paid $800??
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I am about to do that
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Okay. See ya.

ambervals6 said:
You paid $800??
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Welcome to Australia

Man this phone hasnt even been out long look at the AT&T note 4 lol. I sold it and bought the EU model of this phone. I'll never buy another carrier phone again. Now this just needs ROMs.
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who all regret buying s6 edge plus?

I havnt got my phone yet but can't return it too now,I have turned down honor 8, for this phone thinking that this will be having more developer stuffs.but guess i was wrong.even my first gen moto g have alot of developers

rahulje9 said:
I havnt got my phone yet but can't return it too now,I have turned down honor 8, for this phone thinking that this will be having more developer stuffs.but guess i was wrong.even my first gen moto g have alot of developers
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I turned down a iphone 6s plus / oneplus 3/ Note 5 for this phone :/. Should of checked out the development first before buying this phone.

xdamember143 said:
I turned down a iphone 6s plus / oneplus 3/ Note 5 for this phone :/. Should of checked out the development first before buying this phone.
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Thats right.but this was like samsungs flagship device so i thought there will be alot of dev stuff.except from the dev stuff i guess i won't regret this one

I don't regret it at all. I do occasionally miss root, but this phone is fine without it. I used to rely on root for battery savings and that isn't really necessary with this phone.

Greycloak42 said:
I don't regret it at all. I do occasionally miss root, but this phone is fine without it. I used to rely on root for battery savings and that isn't really necessary with this phone.
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Thats good to hear.
I am pampered by xposed modules.so i too will be missing root functionalities.

I am too old to play with root, custom ROM.
Att version of this phone is just right for me

vista1984 said:
I am too old to play with root, custom ROM.
Att version of this phone is just right for me
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Battery sucks for me

I regretted buying this phone a few weeks after I bought it.
I hate this locked bootloader **** that AT&T does to thier devices. I'm about to break my contract with AT&T just because they are so uptight with thier hardware. I paid for this device with my money, I own it. So screw them, they are not getting the early cancellation fee from me either.
I will tell them to unlock my phone completly right now, or im going to another carrier. And I know they won't, most of the people that work at AT&T stores don't even know what a Bootloader is.
But I'm fine going with another carrier. I will make sure I do my research before I make my final decision though.

Limitz Cash said:
I regretted buying this phone a few weeks after I bought it.
I hate this locked bootloader **** that AT&T does to thier devices. I'm about to break my contract with AT&T just because they are so uptight with thier hardware. I paid for this device with my money, I own it. So screw them, they are not getting the early cancellation fee from me either.
I will tell them to unlock my phone completly right now, or im going to another carrier. And I know they won't, most of the people that work at AT&T stores don't even know what a Bootloader is.
But I'm fine going with another carrier. I will make sure I do my research before I make my final decision though.
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I have a T-Mobile variant s6 edge+. If you like the phone but need root and xposed, I would say to trade in for a G928T. Developer isn't great since most have moved on to newer devices, but a few are still there and a library of compatible roms are available.

is the unlocked version worth the price over Verizon buy one get one?

Looking to get the 3XL when it comes out through Verizon. Most likely Verizon is going to run a buy one get one with adding on a new line in.
With the phone being stock Android already but with a Verizon locked bootloader is it more beneficial to give up the buy-one-get-one and just buy an unlocked one through Verizon? If I go the buy-one-get-one route myself and my brother-in-law are going to be splitting the retail cost of the one we have to buy
EDIT 10/13/2018
Come to find out we cannot have any more smartphones on our line with it being a special plan that it is. So we can't take advantage of the buy one get one

If you want root, then do not buy the Verizon version. On all previous Verizon Pixel devices "OEM unlocking" in developer options has been disabled. With that disabled you can't unlock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader you can't install TWRP. Without TWRP you can't install Magisk. Without Magisk you have no root.
If having root is not important to you, then feel free to go for the Verizon version.

Face_Plant said:
If you want root, then do not buy the Verizon version. On all previous Verizon Pixel devices "OEM unlocking" in developer options has been disabled. With that disabled you can't unlock the bootloader. With a locked bootloader you can't install TWRP. Without TWRP you can't install Magisk. Without Magisk you have no root.
If having root is not important to you, then feel free to go for the Verizon version.
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I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?

Androider4Life said:
I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?
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There's always good reasons to root. Ad blocking is the number one thing that comes to mind. Utilities like Better Battery Stats to see what's killing your battery, Titanium Backup to backup your apps or uninstall system apps, WakeBlock to block or limit wakelocks so your phone isn't waking up every 10 seconds to send analytics data to Facebook/Twitter/Google when it should be sleeping, etc.
Google phones still come with bloat, it's just not as bad as Samsung or LG phones. For example, my 6P came with a ton of Google apps installed (Play Games, Hangouts, Play Movies, Docs, Slides, and **** ton more) that I would probably never use or have a desire to use. Sure you can disable most of them, but I'd rather remove them entirely.

These are the best reasons for rooting. Ad blocking is a good one, and I just enjoyed flashing new and different roms. It was fun - there was a new cm nightly every day to flash. I've got away from that partly because of less development and partly because stock android is pretty good as is. New features like android pay are very security conscious and don't play well with root. It's up to you if you want to give up the ability to root. Half price on the phone is pretty tempting. If you can't handle staying stock you could probably get your price out of the phone on Swappa and buy from Google. If there is any development to get in to. I've been stock the past year and am happy with that.

dmb219 said:
These are the best reasons for rooting. Ad blocking is a good one, and I just enjoyed flashing new and different roms. It was fun - there was a new cm nightly every day to flash. I've got away from that partly because of less development and partly because stock android is pretty good as is. New features like android pay are very security conscious and don't play well with root. It's up to you if you want to give up the ability to root. Half price on the phone is pretty tempting. If you can't handle staying stock you could probably get your price out of the phone on Swappa and buy from Google. If there is any development to get in to. I've been stock the past year and am happy with that.
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Did not think about the swappa thing. May be a good idea depending on what it's going for on there when it releases.
If I would stick with the Verizon variant, I would just need to stay off XDA and not read "what I could be doing with the unlocked variant" lol.

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Looking to get the 3XL when it comes out through Verizon. Most likely Verizon is going to run a buy one get one with adding on a new line in.
With the phone being stock Android already but with a Verizon locked bootloader is it more beneficial to give up the buy-one-get-one and just buy an unlocked one through Verizon? If I go the buy-one-get-one route myself and my brother-in-law are going to be splitting the retail cost of the one we have to buy
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Ill never understand why anyone would buy a device thats locked down if they dont have to.
Absolutely Id go for the nom Verizon version....its a no brainer.
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galaxys said:
Don't get a locked device, especially if you're hanging out on XDA!
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What he said ^^

galaxys said:
Don't get a locked device, especially if you're hanging out on XDA!
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Yea, the fact that you're here is testament to the need for the unlocked Pixel. I've been mostly stock for the last couple years but tinker occasionally. I want the ability to tweak my phone even if I choose not to, especially if there is some development going on. I hope there is some life left in the Pixel community here, it's been kind of quiet. The phone is more difficult to mod and to be honest, the stock software is hard to improve on.

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Yea, the fact that you're here is testament to the need for the unlocked Pixel. I've been mostly stock for the last couple years but tinker occasionally. I want the ability to tweak my phone even if I choose not to, especially if there is some development going on. I hope there is some life left in the Pixel community here, it's been kind of quiet. The phone is more difficult to mod and to be honest, the stock software is hard to improve on.
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That was my thought too about how stock software is hard to improve on to justify buying unlocked rather than the buy one get one thru Verizon ( if they offer it) and splitting the cost of the one we have to buy.

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That was my thought too about how stock software is hard to improve on to justify buying unlocked rather than the buy one get one thru Verizon ( if they offer it) and splitting the cost of the one we have to buy.
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I don't have Verizon but if I got a Pixel for half price thru my carrier I might be on that. My son has Verizon and gets his phone free from his work. He was a hacker too but has been good with a stock Pixel XL since he got it. Monthly updates - hard to beat stock on the Pixels.

As others have mentioned, having an unlocked phone generally means you are able to root the device. However, I couldn't help but noticing Google's new Titan chip that is claiming to securing passwords and the OS. My question is, how is this new "chip" going to play with "rooting" the device. Will simply having an unlocked device bypass this new Titan chip?

At this moment Verizon's 128gb model is 30$ more at 1029.99 with 9% tax 1122.69 plus $30 upgrade fee. Total $1,152.69
Google's version is 999.99 with 9% tax $1089.99
So all in all with tax one is saving over roughly 62$
Verizon is doing BOGO on the 64gb only, and offering a wireless stand. Even without the BOGO it equalizes out.
I don't need the BOGO so buying from Google is cheaper for me

I haven't rooted in YEARS. The last phone I rooted was the 1+2. OEM vanilla android is so good now I'm not even tempted. I stopped specifically when I thought about why I was installing ROMs. I wanted one that hid from Android Pay (back in the day) and allowed me to clone my phone if it broke. So, I was installing software from suspect sources to make copies of my device and perform financial transactions... Dafuq was I thinking!
This probably isn't a popular thing to say, but... how much do you really trust random dudes calling themselves "SKREET/|/KLoWnzZ", or some ****, who put together the "(-XxX[DaRTh++KriMzON ].::.KaRBoN.::.SKuLLzZzXxX-)" ROM, anyway? You've probably got some kind of banking data on that phone, right? I'm not saying Devs are crooks, but I'm certain more than one dude out there isn't on the up-and-up, I promise you. Mathematics demands it to be so. My wife would choke the piss out of me if our account got drained because I compromised our data using a hot ROM cooked up in Romania.
NOW, I get unlocked phones so I can carry a blank phone and switch carriers for trips overseas. My Pixel 2XL will replace my Nexus 6 as my travel phone, and the Pixel 3XL will be my main phone

I have been purchasing my phones directly either from Google or HTC, just so I could unlock and root. But I haven''t been rooting, even with an unlocked bootloader. I am probably not going to unlock my Pixel 3XL since I want to use Android Pay, and also play PoGo (I know Magisk can hide it, but it's always a game of cat and mouse.)

Plus, you never know. The original Verizon Pixel was unlockable for a brief time. It's unlikely, but it could happen this time as well.

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I know the whole locked bootloader, TWRP stuff. It's probably been since my Google Nexus and I believe my Note 4 or 5 that I messed with rooting, unlocked bootloaders and roms LOL
But with it being stock pure Google is there really anything truly beneficial to having the unlocked bootloader to allow for rooting possibilities. I used to root my phone's just to run custom roms to get rid of them bloatware that other manufacturers put on it. But since the pixel doesn't have a bloat or skin overlay, is there a real reason for rooting capabilities?
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Since the Nexus? You didn't even unlock the 5X? So the question is should I spend an extra $1000 so I can possibly use Adaware? You won't need Titanium if you're not flashing roms, Better BS works perfectly without root, and there is no bloatware any longer. I understand if these things like flashing roms from Romania (lol that post above is funny) are important to you but you haven't rooted in like what, 5 years now? This is really a no brainer.
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Plus, you never know. The original Verizon Pixel was unlockable for a brief time. It's unlikely, but it could happen this time as well.
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Not gonna happen like it did for that one month. That flaw has been closed. I'm just waiting for a bounty thread for temp root. And I'm wondering even with temp root if you'd be able to unlock the bootloader on this device.

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Not gonna happen like it did for that one month. That flaw has been closed.
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I'm well aware of that, thanks, but I prefer to be optimistic and hope that we may get lucky. When we get them in our hands, we'll know for sure.

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I'm well aware of that, thanks, but I prefer to be optimistic and hope that we may get lucky. When we get them in our hands, we'll know for sure.
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I do admire your optimism but they've been at this a long time and it seems they really have it locked down this time. Unless the Pixel 3s have an exploit I just don't see it. I do hope you're right though.
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