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hmmm just spotted the new Development forum and not sure i like the way or logic XDA has used to create them.
I would so much prefered a way where Roms/Kernels/tools would have had there own subsections... at them moment the development forum across all devices is just a big old mess... it near impossible to keep up with some ROM development as there so much noise in there.
Not really sure the new design makes this any better.. now i have to remember if someones ROM/Kernel is there own or is based off of it and go to the right dev section so im sure instead i now have to keep check both. (same on other devices i have)
Kind of true. It would indeed be better if we actually had more sections cause it is indeed a bit of a mess. I would be lying if i said you cant find anything but a better overview is very welcome
i am going to be honest with you this is kinda a kick in the teeth for the devs of the roms...why would you separate something now like that is beyond me specially with most of the work is original anyway like look at the Viper Rom..All the tweaks and coding those guys put is original..
Same with ARHD rom...Basically 90% of stuff in that section is original....To be honest it is beyond belief why XDA does this but well you just got to respect there decisions...I find it wrong but hey
kazgor said:
hmmm just spotted the new Development forum and not sure i like the way or logic XDA has used to create them.
I would so much prefered a way where Roms/Kernels/tools would have had there own subsections... at them moment the development forum across all devices is just a big old mess... it near impossible to keep up with some ROM development as there so much noise in there.
Not really sure the new design makes this any better.. now i have to remember if someones ROM/Kernel is there own or is based off of it and go to the right dev section so im sure instead i now have to keep check both. (same on other devices i have)
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Goku80 said:
i am going to be honest with you this is kinda a kick in the teeth for the devs of the roms...why would you separate something now like that is beyond me specially with most of the work is original anyway like look at the Viper Rom..All the tweaks and coding those guys put is original..
Same with ARHD rom...Basically 90% of stuff in that section is original....To be honest it is beyond belief why XDA does this but well you just got to respect there decisions...I find it wrong but hey
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A better idea would be to have a sort of filter system, and a group of people who go around and give badges to the threads deserving of the "original content" status.
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A better idea would be to have a sort of filter system, and a group of people who go around and give badges to the threads deserving of the "original content" status.
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Agreed
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Yes even a better Filter system would have helped.. if evenone stick to the rule of [ROMS] / [Kernel] / [Tools] etc in the subject line then a nice way to just show those would have been much better.
But subsections should have been the way forward.
I also feel sorry for those over on the SII Forum, have you see how much a mess that place is?
im totally confused, why do we need another forum?
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im totally confused, why do we need another forum?
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cause it is a mess mate...the new forum is just making it more confusing now for people and not just that it is a mess now
THE BEST IDEA IS TO HAVE MULTIPLE SUBSECTION LIKE
DEVELOPMENT- JUST DEVELOPER RELEASE AND THERE SHOULD BE LINK TO THE DISCUSSION THREAD OF THAT DEVELOPMENT RELEASE WHERE USERS CAN REPORT BUGS
DISCUSSION.
. OFFTOPIC
THEMES APPS AND GAMES.
YOU CAN HEAD TO forum.samdroid.net and look at I5700 as it was the primary phone of that forum. u can see how well the idea of original development and discussion is implemented
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Please answer me this question. I have been looking at the request device thread and it appears that only popular devices are only being added and no one cares of the request device thread. These are the most common i see on the thread:
ASUS Padfone 2
LG Escape
LG Optimus L9
Acer S500
Other Acer Iconia series
Motorola RAZR series
Now for my request is the pantech burst because we have a forum that is just getting way too cluttered http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1487576 I have submitted a request for this device three times now. For development: we have a rooted Gingerbread, a rooted Ice Cream Sandwich, three custom roms, have Clockworkmod recovery, AND working on getting CM10, AOKP, and AOSP working. We are very close to getting CM10 to work as a daily driver. Infact here is the link to how the progress is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1818618
I extremely find this outrageous that the popular devices get one and very "unpopular" devices dont. I never see people carrying a Samsung Galaxy Player (proud owner of one) yet it has it's own forum.
One thing you need to understand is that this is a development site. As that's the case, of course newer and more popular devices will have a forum added for them because they have a lot more interest so therefore devs are more likely to develop for the device.
If a device has next to none development, there'll be less activity from the developers and that generally means less people will be interested in the device.
What would you suggest? XDA add a forum for each request that comes through?
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No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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I already explained why the forums that keep being requested haven't been created. See the first paragraph of my first post.
Explain how you would decide which devices had a forum created for them then. Obviously you feel that the current system isn't working, so what do you feel would work?
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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Obviously the current system doesn't work for the end users nor the developers of lesser known devices. I own one of the most requested devices ever at one point and we don't have a forum yet. (Samsung Galaxy Relay T699) I would suggest taking any device that has a recognized developer working for it that is willing to moderate and implementing a system based on that. I would also suggest greater grouping of similar devices using sub-forums. It's too bad that this site's code doesn't allow for the use of tagging by subject or group, as that would help. Its not a simple solution as new devices drop every week it seems, but I maintain that a device so similar to the GS3 should have a forum lol.
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If XDA was to add a forum for every device which has got a bit of development going on, then a load more moderators would be needed, OR the workload of the current moderators would be at the point where they couldn't truly moderate.
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
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I truly think the system is fine but the moderators seem to not take the time to view the devices thats being requested and see if the device deserves a forum. E.x. samsung galaxy s3 mini, you never see people carrying that device but it automatically gets a forum. The pantech burst is att's first LTE phone and it is still being sold for $1 USD and for $120-150 on ebay, maybe even more. All what i ask for the moderators is to look through that forum. If they cannot add that certain device, state a reason why
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Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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I realize for the devices that arn't as popular theres no way xda can create a full forum for each one and moderate it without an insane load on the existing mods. I just wish for the less popular that there might be maybe a manufacturer specific forum that way it can hold multiple devices, only a handful of new forums would be created if that, etc.. like Asus / Pantech / Acer / Motorola
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
There seems to be a chicken and egg problem here. Phone has little organized development, it doesn't get a forum. Phone has no forum, development goes slower and less organized.
And then sometimes it feels a bit arbitrary. The Relay 4G has had more development done on it so far than the Sidekick 4G had in its entire lifetime, yet the Sidekick has a forum and the Relay doesn't.
Hi,
It would be a waste of time to add a forum for a device with a user base of ~10 people that aren't going to be going any development. It would add unnecessary clutter to the xda forum page, especially if its going too be added to legacy devices within a few weeks anyway
How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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How about making a wiki for it? At least you can organize things that way.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
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No not that. I just find it outrageous that no matter how many times you post in the new device request forum, they will not listen. Many people in that thread requested for the asus padfone 2 and im pretty sure there is plenty of dev support for the device. If there is some dev support like the burst i think it deserves its own device thread. I mean really, we are so very close on cm10 and yet no forum. The only thing not working is the data and wifi.
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You are frustrated and it is understandable. You need to read ans absorb what KidCarter93 is trying to explain.
The bottom line is, Yes the Mods see the requests but two things need to be considered.
1) this is a FREE development site people do not work/develop for $$$
2) unless you and a "bunch" of others want development, you need seek out a developer and try and work something out. Maybe a loaner device or simply offer a device for development. YOU CAN NOT PAY somebody to develop on XDA for development. A search on Google will help you find places that will do this.
Every device has started out as yours has. When the SGS3 started (one of the highest developed devices to date). It was a combined thread, every version was under one thread (there are many versions of this phone) so people were bricking there phones because everybody was attempting to use development for the European version which is different from the North American version. It took a month for the devices to form there own threads.
Sadly there are many devices that never receive development. I have owned a ASUS TF300 tablet and while it took development time to start, it now exists,. however in a short period it has slowed due to ASUS creating ewer /better devices. Development has now moved to the new iteration of the device.
Mods/XDA cannot force nor allocate Developers to work on specific devices. Everything done here is voluntary.
Your other choice is to learn development and create your own work:good:
I hope this helps understand XDA and the community a little better.
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There already is an XDA wiki but it's vastly under-utilized.
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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post here, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
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LOL, I meant for the Pantech Burst ( which there is none ), not a XDA wiki section entirely. I guess I could have been a bit more clear.
We all have to realize, and believe me that I know the frustrations from searching from post to post, thread to thread, which is why I decided to get the Fuhu Nabi ( tablet ) section going in the XDA wiki for members to edit and contribute to as it's becoming very popular as well. If one reads the very first post, we are not gauranteed a section. Just have to make the most of it and collect all the info where one can for members to have a start from. I am just glad we have a place like this where we can come to for help and not get litterally flamed for asking or the very least ridiculed for trying to help.
Been here since before 06 when it all started with the Windows Mobile Phones and those were fun times but never signed up until 06.
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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
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Collecting it in the wiki is a good way to get started. We take many different factors into consideration when adding new devices. One of these is how many existing developers have it already. Unfortunately we cannot add forums for every device,but you are more than welcome to use the wiki.
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Well I just made a wiki for the device. It is a very good phone. It outperforms the Galaxy Nexus using Antutu.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Pantech_Burst
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You really think the moderator committee would let someone be a moderator just because they've asked for it?
The MC have to be sure that the person is ready to be a mod and that process takes too much time for something that isn't needed.
Using the basis "you never see people carrying that device", all I'd expect to see on XDA is a load of blackberry's and iPhones mainly.
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Then the people of XDA would be complaining even more about bricked devices because noobs don't read and would therefore make more mistakes.
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What he said ^^
XDA simply cant have a forum for each device, and in the case of devices that do not have the backing im sure there are plenty of other forums out there where these devs would meet.
You can also of cause use the Miscellaneous Android Development section if a developer wanted to release stuff for a device that was not listed.
It has been and always will be a developer site and thus the devices with lots of developers will get a section, the request thread is looked at and often devices from it do get sections, but alot of work has to go into deciding which do and dont get sections, and some will always miss out.
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Thus the part about letting the developers take responsibility for moderating their own device(s). Apart from hosting and storage limitations I wouldn't have a problem with each device having a forum, but honestly at this point there are probably 20 devices back in legacy that could be moved and merged and open that space up. The way I see it - admins are rapidly becoming elitist.
What would the problem be with more moderators anyway? I constantly see people in Miscellaneous Android offering to moderate the (nonexistent)forum for their device if that's the issue.
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We have high expectations of conduct of moderators. You can't just become one by asking. And that will NEVER change. We owe it to our users to ensure staff are up to the standard they expect and deserve.
We're not becoming "elitist", but we do expect to see development potential from developers on a device. There's a "rough formula" you can use to tell if a device will appear on XDA lately - it's not formal or anything, it's just common sense.
It is very hard to find anything here. For example in SGS2 forum there are sections:
Galaxy S II General
Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting
Galaxy S II Accessories
Galaxy S II Original Android Development
Galaxy S II Android Development
It could be much easier to find anything if there will be sections:
User Guides / How to
Developer Guides / How to
Q&A
Accesories
CustomROMs
MODs
Themes
Thanks for the recommendation, you can also post suggestions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
Everyone will have their own idea about what constitutes "messy" and what would work best, ultimately we have to decide based on the experience of the users and staff and developers and come up with a workable system that evolves over time.
I can see some merit in your suggestion, but realize that for some users the current system would be more agreeable.
Be that as it may, you can always make suggestions to the site in the thread I linked
Thanks for reply. I will write a post there.
No problem,
and keep in mind that just because your personal idea is not adopted, it is still taken into consideration and may be phased into the current system in some fashion, so don't get discouraged or feel ignored if the things you suggest are not necessarily put into action.
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It is very hard to find anything here. For example in SGS2 forum there are sections:
Galaxy S II General
Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting
Galaxy S II Accessories
Galaxy S II Original Android Development
Galaxy S II Android Development
It could be much easier to find anything if there will be sections:
User Guides / How to
Developer Guides / How to
Q&A
Accesories
CustomROMs
MODs
Themes
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It doesnt help that a lot of people make new threads for a lot of the same things too
It would be great if phones had section manufacturer wise rather than have a huge photo for each phone.
For anything I need to urgently search I just search using Google. That throws the best result.
wuodland said:
It would be great if phones had section manufacturer wise rather than have a huge photo for each phone.
For anything I need to urgently search I just search using Google. That throws the best result.
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You can get to your device easily by typing inside "find your device" box beside "search all forum" box..
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“If you wait to do everything until you’re sure it’s right, you’ll probably never do much of anything.” –Win Borden
@op - bro it takes time to get used to
U seem to b new here
Categorisation has been done perfectly
Just spend more time and u will b used to it
And u missed "apps" in ur idea
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I know that I missed it. It was only schema. I am here 1 year. Now I wanted to modify my ROM by myself and I found it pretty hard to find threads I saw earlier.
The forum supports a $hit ton of phones, can be bit hard to keep organized. The search feature shall be your friend...
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orangekid said:
Thanks for the recommendation, you can also post suggestions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
Everyone will have their own idea about what constitutes "messy" and what would work best, ultimately we have to decide based on the experience of the users and staff and developers and come up with a workable system that evolves over time.
I can see some merit in your suggestion, but realize that for some users the current system would be more agreeable.
Be that as it may, you can always make suggestions to the site in the thread I linked
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^^^^^ This
Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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mike.r.olson said:
Now that the T-Mobile SGS3 has 2 different variants, could we possibly make a SGH-T999 forum aside from all the other variants? I believe it might help with clutter and potential user issues because of flashing SGS3 LTE modems on non-LTE or T999V, etc devices.
Just a request.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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DocHoliday77 said:
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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I forgot to add that the problem (in my personal opinion) which I described is not exclusive to this this Tmobile
Galaxy T999 S3 forum, but the same problem also exists in the new Tmobile Galaxy M919 S4 forum too.
I am surprised that none of the moderators caught on to it yet. I know from experience that the moderators
here are not too kind about anyone starting new threads in the wrong location or forum...
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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I meant no disrespect to any of the moderators, but I've been caught making new threads where they didn't belong a couple times myself.
A long time ago when I first started here in xda I made a new thread in the Samsung AT&T Captivate forum and
I was promptly shown the exit door.
I hellraised/ported some rom successfully, tested it to be sure it worked properly then created a new thread in the same
forum as all the Samsung Touchwiz Captivate custom and stock roms were located and one of the moderators promptly
closed the thread as he should have.
At the time I did not think I done anything wrong and could not fully understand the reason why my thread was closed.
Now I see the reason and it's a very good reason, I just hope that one of these days soon there will be some kind
of segregation of the touchwiz custom roms and ported and aokp/aosp/cm roms in these xda forums and threads.
I really believe that about one third of all the issues, problems and errors a lot of new users here are having have
to do with flashing these cm/aokp/aosp roms not knowing that these roms don't come with all the features and the
bells and whistles which the touchwiz roms have, on top of that, issues which the the devs have yet to resolve.
Not to mention, especially here in the S3 Tmobile forum flashing those roms means no wifi calling at all.
Another example, have you ever seen or heard about an "error 7" which was not the result of someone
flashing one of those roms then trying to flash back to a Samsung Touchwiz rom?
New or fairly new users here when scrolling thru the Samsung touchwiz S3 custom roms thread are not aware of these things
and without really knowing what they are doing they end up flashing one of those roms thinking it's just another custom rom.
If those roms were in their own forums it would make everything here in xda go a lot smoother and easier not only for the new
users but for everyone else including the developers.
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I think you forgot about the main problem here, besides all the variants you mentioned
there are the all those AOKP/AOSP/CM and ported roms which already have their own
thread "T-Mobile S III Original Android Develoment" where these roms above belong.
Now about 50% of the "Tmobile Galaxy S III Android Development" thread is full of the AOKP/AOSP/CM
roms instead of only having the Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean 4.11/4.1.2 based stock or custom roms in it.
This causes a lot of confusion for many people in these threads and sometimes it's difficult to even tell which is which
unless the OP makes it very clear in his opening post stating that "This is a AOKP Rom" or even better letting people
know that "This is NOT a Samsung Touchwiz Jellybean based rom" so no one would flash it by error.
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Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
kennyglass123 said:
Regular development is NOT only Touchwiz ROMs. Original Development is only for ROMs where the actual poster is the developer that wrote 1000's of lines of code or part of the team that did. ALL AOSP, CM, AOKP, MIUI, PA clones go in regular development.
And to the OP as long as the ROMs are compatible and do not cause hard bricks then there is no reason for separate sections.
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No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
gypsy214 said:
No wonder I started seeing a lot of roms that were posted in Original Android Development moved to Android development. It was kinda shock for me...
Only thing for people with the new T999L not flashing a T999 firmware, radio, odin. Is to make the threads known that is not for them.
And believe me we are going to see a lot of new threads people having problems. If they want to go back to odin stock or flashing the wrong firmware. Even if the threads are indicating that are not compatible they will still do it..... Half the people wont read and understand what their doing before doing it. They will only know that they have a Tmobile GS3 and that it.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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Completely 100% agree. We already hold the hand of these people more then needed. This isn't a support site where people come to ask for help, its a dev forum but no one treats it that way anymore. The forum is laid out very very well. I've been on many android sites and get fed up by the layout quickly, and lack of care for users and such.
T-Mobile SGS III
DocHoliday77 said:
I think everything is as it should be to be honest. The 3 models of the T999, are virtually identical, and ROMS and Recoveries and kernels are pretty much compatible across the board. The only things thay should be avoided are modems and full firmwares.
As far as the CM and AOKP type ROMs in the development area, many probably do belong there. As far as I am aware tge original development forum is for anything built from source or from scratch.
Im betting most of the roms in question were simply modified in the exact same sense that the TouchWiz roms have been.
In the end its up to the mods, but I think for now the current layout is fine, and splitting it up even more woukd only cause more work and more problems. Id bet that everyone would still wind up right here for everything they need.
Thats just how I see it anyway.
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DocHoliday77 said:
Dont take them as being unkind. They are simply doing their job and enforcing the rules.
I have worked with some of them, and trust me, they can be some if the most helpful and knowledgeable people on here. There are very good reasons behind each one getting selected to become a mod. (And being an a$$ to folks is not one of the reasons).
That said, I did want to conceed one point. Though I do believe most of the threads in development do beling there, it does get cluttered pretty easily. For those who have been around for a while its probably not so bad, but to someone new to the forum, I can see how it could become difficult to find something that fits specific needs. I could see splitting that into two or three sub forums as helpful (one for stock based and one or two for CM and AOKP types). It could keep things a little cleaner that way.
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You mean like all the CDMA users flashing international ROMs in spite of the capital letter warning in both sticky sections? This is a developers' forum and not a support site. We cannot idiot-proof every section or the whole site will be convoluted with hundreds of subforums in which most will still not read. Most sites only have one forum per device. This site is very well organized compared to those. Add an L onto another subsection and most will still not read. We have many devices on XDA that work just like this, compatible ROMs and they have to flash correct modem and firmware.
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All of these :good:
I remember the Nook Color had a large community effort behind it here on XDA to get CM working on it before it was official... Sounds like several of us are working on the SM-T210/SM-T210R independently... Wondering if anyone has setup a git or anything that everyone can pitch in and get CM off the ground?
If not... Ill start one... though I cannot promise to throw large numbers of hours at it.
i am waiting for the cm10 and android 4.2.2
i need the new multiple user feature...
all my phones got the cm ....i sell the tab 2 and bought a tab 3 ....
cant belive that nobody is modding a cm mod for this one ;(
i ask for it in the cyanogenmod forum .... but no answer
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I remember the Nook Color had a large community effort behind it here on XDA to get CM working on it before it was official... Sounds like several of us are working on the SM-T210/SM-T210R independently... Wondering if anyone has setup a git or anything that everyone can pitch in and get CM off the ground?
If not... Ill start one... though I cannot promise to throw large numbers of hours at it.
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You must be kidding me look at the general forum and development forum you can clearly see that they are working hard on it to get it working
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safariking said:
You must be kidding me look at the general forum and development forum you can clearly see that they are working hard on it to get it working
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why in general ? .... this is the 7.0 developing forum
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why in general ? .... this is the 7.0 developing forum
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This belongs in a question thread, not a development thread. Any questions (or planning type) thread does not belong in the development section. Once something is actually developed, it can be moved to the development section.
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This belongs in a question thread, not a development thread. Any questions (or planning type) thread does not belong in the development section. Once something is actually developed, it can be moved to the development section.
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You should look at the nook color development forum's history as referenced before making these sweeping statements.
Well, there IS a sticky thread reading "If you did't create it, it probably doesn't belong here" - we might argue about what create means but anyhow...
There are 3 threads on CM-Development:
This is the most active one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473201
These have already been there at the time of your post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2466040
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495487
Did't you actually post in one of these already? Well it doesn't matter, there are a few repos, one for the kernel:
https://github.com/kumajaya/android_kernel_samsung_lt02
and modules:
https://github.com/kumajaya/android_kernel_samsung_lt02_modules
And for the device-specific files:
https://github.com/TeamRegular/android_device_samsung_lt02wifi
https://github.com/TeamRegular/android_vendor_samsung_lt02wifi
(those are not yet buildable but more complete)
and mine:
https://github.com/kaibutsu/android_device_samsung_lt02wifi
(which is buildable but far from complete)
I hope this helps. I'd like to use the TeamRegular-Repo, but I don't really understand what was done there, so I set up my own - to be synced with the other one at some point.
As far as the other models are concerned, I don't know about them but since their hardware is completely different, I don't think setting up a repo for all three makes sense...