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What's the big hype?

I hope I don't offend anyone and I'm not trying to start any war between AOKP and CM9 but I just wanted to know what's the big hype about CM9? I see some features in AOKP that I haven't seen in CM9. Just seems like everyone is going crazy over CM and I've flashed their rom before and enjoyed their hard work and I am thankful of every team out there that makes Roms. Don't want to seem like that bad guy.

A lot of people have been running CM for a long time (like since CM5 launched). Its that quintessential custom ROM that lots of people have an attachment to I think.

martonikaj said:
A lot of people have been running CM for a long time (like since CM5 launched). Its that quintessential custom ROM that lots of people have an attachment to I think.
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Gotcha, thats understandable. I just expected them to blow other roms out the water but AOKP has been extremely stable and full of customization.

From my expierence on the boards (going back to when the HTC EVO was the biggest baddest on the block) CM is a nameplate that carrys a long history of being a very lightweight Rom . It has always had a good sized list of developers on its team through during its time . Its also known as one of the roms that usually has multipul devices under its sleeves . Not to go overboard but finding better fitting descriptions . They are more or less legend when it comes to roms . There has always been a CM(x) out there . Im sure there will always been a CM(x) for future devices as well . I think basically the convience is as people switch devices as time goes on there is always a constant these people can look to and that is CM . Atleast thats my take on it

SouthernEvo said:
From my expierence on the boards (going back to when the HTC EVO was the biggest baddest on the block) CM is a nameplate that carrys a long history of being a very lightweight Rom . It has always had a good sized list of developers on its team through during its time . Its also known as one of the roms that usually has multipul devices under its sleeves . Not to go overboard but finding better fitting descriptions . They are more or less legend when it comes to roms . There has always been a CM(x) out there . Im sure there will always been a CM(x) for future devices as well . I think basically the convience is as people switch devices as time goes on there is always a constant these people can look to and that is CM . Atleast thats my take on it
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cool cool. thanks for your input. I ran their rom when I had my G2x and i liked it

Soldi3rxx said:
Gotcha, thats understandable. I just expected them to blow other roms out the water but AOKP has been extremely stable and full of customization.
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You also have to understand that cyanogenmod just released their first nightly for the Galaxy Nexus, while AOKP has been out for some time (though I don't know exactly how long since I'm fairly new to the galaxy nexus myself). CM also has supported tons of devices (over 60 if wikipedia is right ).

Stability, lightweight, and an approach that borders straight professionalism. That's why I like CM and have always had it on mine--and my friends'--phones.
Some roms are really, really fun and have a variety of positives (and negatives). Other roms choose to improve upon the basic Android OS and offer the user that functions simply but contains a host of neat features. CM is the latter in my book.

CM9 currently lacks some settings other roms have. That said CM9 will add them and much more, work on a plethora of devices and remain working with updates long after many of these other Roms are long dead.

CM9 may lack some features compared to other roms but no roms lack in features borrowed from CM9.

Talk to me when AOKP supports 50+ devices....
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I think with ICS everything changed and cyan got set back significantly due to drastic OS changes. So yes aokp is far ahead right now.

adrynalyne said:
CM9 may lack some features compared to other roms but no roms lack in features borrowed from CM9.
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I'm not sure if this saying still works, but "quoted for truth."
A rom without ANY CM influence/features is a rarity, and dare I say it pretty impossible to find.
CM9 may lack features, but so far it's the most stable "nightly" I've come across.

matt2053 said:
Talk to me when AOKP supports 50+ devices....
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It's actually slowly going in that direction with the multiple device support of AOKP expanding to many devices including the T-Mobile Vibrant (recently!)

dmmarck said:
I'm not sure if this saying still works, but "quoted for truth."
A rom without ANY CM influence/features is a rarity, and dare I say it pretty impossible to find
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You are right. I think that even MIUI has borrowed some stuff from cm sources(read it from some thread).
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ljordan2 said:
You are right. I think that even MIUI has borrowed some stuff from cm sources(read it from some thread).
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Yup have heard the same.
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ljordan2 said:
You are right. I think that even MIUI has borrowed some stuff from cm sources(read it from some thread).
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Some? A lot of MIUI is based off of CM source.

CM9 has been slower out of the gates because of reasons already mentioned; namely a huge stable of devices to support, the build bot was borked for quite a while as well. Settings will come in time, again # of devices. They also lay the ground work for many other ROMs, not to say that there aren't people doing a lot of coding of their own.
For many devices they're the only AOSP like ROM available. It's stable and quick, but if you absolutely need a lot of the custom settings right now, then you'll have to look elsewhere for the moment.

cm rom are good and much much more stable, from my own experience.

mudferret said:
For many devices they're the only AOSP like ROM available. It's stable and quick, but if you absolutely need a lot of the custom settings right now, then you'll have to look elsewhere for the moment.
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So what is the point of flashing CM9 on the GNex? Stock is already stable and quick and CM9 doesn't seem to have any extra features..

gabster21 said:
So what is the point of flashing CM9 on the GNex? Stock is already stable and quick and CM9 doesn't seem to have any extra features..
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There is no stock 4.0.3 for the GN
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Proud But surprised new gn owner

Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol

santeana said:
Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol
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Why do we need more roms? The current ones provide everything we need.

Same complaints about the epic touch, six months later there's a ridiculous amount of ROMs to flash.

it's better to have a few very good roms than a lot of roms that are not so good.

I just counted 25 ROMs in the dev section. Should our phones be walking to the store for us?
What more do you need??
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Well take a look at the nexus s forum. there's a rom for everyone! One Can never have too much choice! And again it was just a question. No Need to get all defensive.

less roms equals the nest selection

I think the reason is that a couple of roms got such a headstart in users and features, the devs don't see a demand. Sometimes it seems like over half the GNex owners use aokp, myself included.
For me it's surprising to see so little in flashable mods. I'd love to try some roms, but they don't have a customizable lock screen or notification toggles. To me those are must haves, so I stick with aokp. Maybe when cyanogenmod finally goes stable, devs can use it as a base for great roms.
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I can see what you mean. I also came from the Nexus S, and I did notice that there are a lot more ROMS for it. But it seems like there is no low quality roms for the Gnex. It really is a casse of quality over quantity. And we also have some groundbreaking roms here, such as paranoidandroid.

Quality v.s. quantity.
Are you looking for ROMs built from ASOP or ROMS that are just a klang of another with skins?
IMHO, ASOP or CM9 is all that a person needs. Then add what you want and ignore the rest.

I think as far as ROMS go we have hit a plateau. Until the next release (assuming there are new features) nearly everything is available over the ROMS we currently have. I can see a few kernels coming up with new ideas but I think ROMS are as up to speed as we can expect for a while
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santeana said:
Well take a look at the nexus s forum. there's a rom for everyone! One Can never have too much choice! And again it was just a question. No Need to get all defensive.
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The fact the Nexus S has been around for a lot longer, that can happen.

santeana said:
Hey All! Just got my gn a couple weeks ago and I love it! I must say though I'm a little surprised at how few roms there are out for it. I know it's new and all but still it HAS been out since last fall! Is this how long it normally takes to build a fan base with these phones? I'm not complaining. I just found it curious, coming from the Nexus S to owning the new Android flagship that there would still be such relatively little support by now. Any takers on the topic? I'd Be interested to hear your input!
Oh By the way, I'm in no way bashing the phone or this forum. I think both are outstanding. Just making conversation lol
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Gotta be careful what you say around here. I had opened up a similar thread where I was "complaining" about the Rom Support for the nexus and got flamed big time as effect.
Just watch out around here.. they don't like opinions
But coming from a sgs 2 I also was dissapointed to not find hundreds of different Roms for the nexus as there were for the galaxy s 2. Also every Rom on the nexus looks about the same and has about the same Features while for the galaxy they really differed.
I'm on bamf with bond Kernel and love them. But also waiting for an update from both since weeks....
-sent from my galaxy nexus

wait till jelly bean comes out

we have less ROMs coz they're all based on ICS , nexus S has various gingerbread versions too, not to mention it's been there for quite some time. as someone already said, basically we have everything we need with the current ROMs, except ParanoidAndroid, the only new idea could be a port of sense or tw for example, but then there's the same problem with drivers, certain hardware not working and so on.. Some people think for instance, that buying HTC or Samsung devices will give them more options, sense/TW roms and aosp/miui , and it does sound good in theory , but the reality is that u will always end up with a buggy AOSP experience (there's always something that's not working right-been through many devices and it's the same story all over again).
As a conclusion, people should make a little research before getting a device, if u like what sense or TW (or any other custom UI) offers u , then u should consider that device, if u want a real AOSP experience then the nexus is ur best choice. Not to mention that if u have a fetish to change the way ur UI looks u can always get a 3rd party launcher, AOSP handles it best coz sense or TW occupy more RAM and running a market launcher on top of all this just makes it worse.

yeah a lot of you guys make sense. I guess with all the options on the nexus s I had become a bit of a crack flasher. I just enjoyed trying out new and different roms and playing with them. but as someone just said here earlier all the ones here are pretty much the same. I'm using aokp now and I like it. I just also like other stuff too lol
thanks for your opinions everyone! keep em coming! great reading

I agree. I miss my galaxy s2 i9100. That phone has the most development. I wanna give you a reason for more development... it was expensive but it was launched everywhere in the world. Second you can run 4 different (base) types of roms.
1) touchwiz gingerbread
2) cm7 aosp based gingerbread
3) touchwiz ICS
4) cm9 aosp based ics roms
So you can see how there are always roms to flash. I loved flashing early builds as well. So I encourage more devs to build different and unique roms rather than taking features from other roms. Thanks
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Consider it a blessing. Towards the dying days of the SE X10, most of the renowned devs had moved on and then we had a million different variations of every kind of rom you could think of. We had heaps of MIUI roms which were all identical but with a different theme. Same story with Cyanogen roms.
There's really no need to have a plethora of roms because they all end up being the same. Its better to have a selection of high quality roms to pick from.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

in my experience most of the roms available are just variations of stock **** by some kid who learned to deodex and root. because what the world really needs is another ****ty rom based on sense.
there are no GB roms, no roms based on some vendor-ruined stock build. just AOSP. there are few bugs, just awesome features. you don't need a ton of roms when you have that.

hp13 said:
I agree. I miss my galaxy s2 i9100. That phone has the most development. I wanna give you a reason for more development... it was expensive but it was launched everywhere in the world. Second you can run 4 different (base) types of roms.
1) touchwiz gingerbread
2) cm7 aosp based gingerbread
3) touchwiz ICS
4) cm9 aosp based ics roms
So you can see how there are always roms to flash. I loved flashing early builds as well. So I encourage more devs to build different and unique roms rather than taking features from other roms. Thanks
Sent from Galaxy Nexus
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I second that.
-sent from my galaxy nexus

Lack of development

Coming from the nexus family i thought at least that the best selling devices such as G3 and samsung have a great developer community...but in my surprice i was found with the tinies of all...comparing the two best kernels from my old nexus 5, faux123 and francos with 350.000++ commits to @Tectas and @Skin1980 70+ commits i cant help myself that i have to ask...why is this??G3 is imo the best non nexus device and lacks such a serious lack of development...don't get me wrong we have plenty or at least the most proper aosp roms but we lack extremely on the kernel development...i see some devs are making aosp kernels which is great but why only those??i mean aosp is great but it lacks all the great features we all buy the G3 for....thats the reason i give my great nexus to buy a G3 for the better camera for the IR FM radio and stuff...
Please don't start the all time classic flame make your own if i had the knowlage i could...i also try to take an existing kernel and cherry pick some of faux nexus 5 commits but i wasn't able to troubleshot any of the confilcts...im just asking though...
Thanks for your time and sorry about my english!!

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Coming from the nexus family i thought at least that the best selling devices such as G3 and samsung have a great developer community...but in my surprice i was found with the tinies of all...comparing the two best kernels from my old nexus 5, faux123 and francos with 350.000++ commits to @Tectas and @Skin1980 70+ commits i cant help myself that i have to ask...why is this??G3 is imo the best non nexus device and lacks such a serious lack of development...don't get me wrong we have plenty or at least the most proper aosp roms but we lack extremely on the kernel development...i see some devs are making aosp kernels which is great but why only those??i mean aosp is great but it lacks all the great features we all buy the G3 for....thats the reason i give my great nexus to buy a G3 for the better camera for the IR FM radio and stuff...
Please don't start the all time classic flame make your own if i had the knowlage i could...i also try to take an existing kernel and cherry pick some of faux nexus 5 commits but i wasn't able to troubleshot any of the confilcts...im just asking though...
Thanks for your time and sorry about my english!!
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Main reason: We don't have source code.
International has it for a bit now. US dropped couple days ago and Canadian variant should get it this month (hopefully).
That being said, you can probably expect more development to come as source code becomes available.

BWolf56 said:
Main reason: We don't have source code.
International has it for a bit now. US dropped couple days ago and Canadian variant should get it this month (hopefully).
That being said, you can probably expect more development to come as source code becomes available.
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Yeah but then there will be kernels for ATT version or verison...i was talking about D855 that im using that i think its old but there is the source code for 20A lollipop available...also there are alot of tweaks patches and stuff the devs can get from CAF or like faux did he take patches from 3.10 kernel and backpatch the 3.04 nexus 5 kernel...

pikachukaki said:
Yeah but then there will be kernels for ATT version or verison...i was talking about D855 that im using that i think its old but there is the source code for 20A lollipop available...also there are alot of tweaks patches and stuff the devs can get from CAF or like faux did he take patches from 3.10 kernel and backpatch the 3.04 nexus 5 kernel...
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It's not like the G3 devs aren't trying. Keep in mind that the Nexus line is fully development friendly, therefore, brings in a lot more devs. And to put it boldly, LG isn't. We have locked bootloaders (Bump workaround) and takes a while before we get the source code.
2nd thing, it's newer than the N5. Lots of devs got the N5 when it came out due to the dev friendly environment and most of them won't change to a G3 a year later. While we don't have insane amount of development, we have some of the great ones and more are coming as we get the source code.

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It's not like the G3 devs aren't trying. Keep in mind that the Nexus line is fully development friendly, therefore, brings in a lot more devs. And to put it boldly, LG isn't. We have locked bootloaders (Bump workaround) and takes a while before we get the source code.
2nd thing, it's newer than the N5. Lots of devs got the N5 when it came out due to the dev friendly environment and most of them won't change to a G3 a year later. While we don't have insane amount of development, we have some of the great ones and more are coming as we get the source code.
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Lets hope they did cause its a shame to see this great phone lacks so much from development!!!

Any Other ROM out there?

I was curious about this question because every single ROM out there for the LG is a cm12 base Lollipop. Lollipop is so boring and getting to a point where what else can it do. I don't mean to diss Lollipop but when I had the Thunderbolt or GS3 there were other roms. Roms from other phones imported to other phones. No matter what name of the rom thats out there now, they're all the same looking rom.
Being a rom junkie and hoping to find a new rom with "WOW" is very difficult. I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this. I know that the Lollipop for the LG will be out soon and it'll be just a subtle change. I just hope that more dev's will create roms using bits and pieces of other OS to make it interesting.

johnny quest said:
I was curious about this question because every single ROM out there for the LG is a cm12 base Lollipop. Lollipop is so boring and getting to a point where what else can it do. I don't mean to diss Lollipop but when I had the Thunderbolt or GS3 there were other roms. Roms from other phones imported to other phones. No matter what name of the rom thats out there now, they're all the same looking rom.
Being a rom junkie and hoping to find a new rom with "WOW" is very difficult. I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this. I know that the Lollipop for the LG will be out soon and it'll be just a subtle change. I just hope that more dev's will create roms using bits and pieces of other OS to make it interesting.
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There are stock based roms like skydragon and cloudy 1.2. I'm running cloudy 1.2 and getting good results.

johnny quest said:
I was curious about this question because every single ROM out there for the LG is a cm12 base Lollipop. Lollipop is so boring and getting to a point where what else can it do. I don't mean to diss Lollipop but when I had the Thunderbolt or GS3 there were other roms. Roms from other phones imported to other phones. No matter what name of the rom thats out there now, they're all the same looking rom.
Being a rom junkie and hoping to find a new rom with "WOW" is very difficult. I'm sure I'm not the only person thinking this. I know that the Lollipop for the LG will be out soon and it'll be just a subtle change. I just hope that more dev's will create roms using bits and pieces of other OS to make it interesting.
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So... you actually want a pre-themed ROM that slows down while adding no extra value to the phone?

I would think, being a "ROM junkie", you might consider being a "ROM dev-ie" and contribute something like you are seeking.

That's irrelevant to the topic at hand and not everyone at XDA has a background in programming.
On topic: I think there's really only Cloudy and that would be your best bet. Hopefully the T-Mobile variant gets an update an update to Lollipop soon. Anything else is basically just stock with whatever tweaks they claim are in to improve performance. Cloudy actually adds some cool new features.
I always found it weird that the majority of custom ROMs are all AOSP based and never based off of the stock ROM of the phone. Is there a reason for that? Sources not being as open as Google sources? It would be cool if we had a legitimate LG based ROM similar to what CM and other ROM devs do for AOSP.
It would be cool if there was something like Cloudy with features from G3 Tweaksbox baked into it.

Thanks everybody, I wish I can develop a rom but I know it takes time and that I don't have with school and all. But, waiting for the LG update is taking a long time. I know that there's some bugs that need to be handled so hopefully in the first quarter it'll be released. There was the MIUI that was different from other roms but they or the developer has stopped working on it. If hardcore work was done on it and kept it updated then that would have been my everyday rom, but I use either "Blisspop" or "Euphoria" they are pretty great and is always updating for perfection. Never tried Cloudy will give it a try. Thanks.

I had horrible experience with Euphoria. Rapid Battery drain and also phone heating up. Restored to stock but I miss my One Plus One Cyanogenmod 11s!

opinions? Which modern ROM for biz-use on Samsung Note3 hlte/TMobile ?

My ofc has a bunch of Samsung Note3 (hlte/TMobile) phones.
Hardware's still perfectly capable.
I need/want them to be -- as much as possible -- rooted, bloat-free, stable(ish) daily driver, using a well-supported current ROM, can live without themeing whistles-n-bells.
For a long while, that's been CyanogenMod. Even though a 'stable' v12 (Lollipop-based) release never saw the light of day, the nightlies have been generally reliable.
Of late, the situation's changed a bit ...
v12 hasn't seen a nightly since May 8.
There's no official v13 -- nightly or otherwise.
v13 *is* available as a completely unofficial solution on XDA, but afaict, the dev's busy as heck -- and there's only one of him.
Questions asked at the forums re: v13 get snark from the moderators.
Works for some. Not for my situation.
Sooooo, I'm looking for opinions. What hlte-ROM gets me closest to my criteria^? ideally on Marshmallow -- with , at least, a plan for N?
Reading through these forums, my first leaning is to Resurrection.
I will make some time to DL and test a few, of course.
But I'd certainly appreciate some thoughtful comments/suggestions.
Thanks.

Would be interested in this, too.

You're not alone. I plan to use the Note 3 for another year, as you said the hardware is perfectly capable. I'd like to run a stable version of Marshmallow at a minimum. I have the same concerns regarding stability, no bloat, root, etc.

dkranes said:
You're not alone. I plan to use the Note 3 for another year, as you said the hardware is perfectly capable. I'd like to run a stable version of Marshmallow at a minimum. I have the same concerns regarding stability, no bloat, root, etc.
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To be very stable, Lollipop is still the way to go honestly. There are some hardware limitations when concerning Android 6.0+ on the Note 3. But for Marshmallow you could try our Dominion s7 v2.2 ROM. It's in the T-Mobile Note 3 development section. It's Marshmallow 6.0.1 and is stable as the rest of the 6.0+ ROM's. You also retain the S Pen functions unlike something like CM or a purely AOSP ROM. It also has the Screen Off Memo feature from the Note 5.

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To be very stable, Lollipop is still the way to go honestly. There are some hardware limitations when concerning Android 6.0+ on the Note 3. But for Marshmallow you could try our Dominion s7 v2.2 ROM. It's in the T-Mobile Note 3 development section. It's Marshmallow 6.0.1 and is stable as the rest of the 6.0+ ROM's. You also retain the S Pen functions unlike something like CM or a purely AOSP ROM. It also has the Screen Off Memo feature from the Note 5.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I will give it a shot today.

fyi,
Cyanogen Inc. reportedly fires OS development arm, switches to apps
I'm not holding my breath for ongoing Cyanogenmod development for the Note3 ...

n756gkj said:
fyi,
Cyanogen Inc. reportedly fires OS development arm, switches to apps
I'm not holding my breath for ongoing Cyanogenmod development for the Note3 ...
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If you don't know the difference between cyanogen and cyanogenmod, you have wasted your time in XDA.

googlephone said:
If you don't know the difference between cyanogen and cyanogenmod, you have wasted your time in XDA.
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Ah, the usual irrelevant drivel ... Didn't take long.
> If you don't know the difference between cyanogen and cyanogenmod, you have wasted your time in XDA.
Riiiiight. That's the issue. 'cuz there's NO correlation whatsoever between dev & devs at Cyanogen and Cyanogenmod project, and with the troubles at the Co, there'll be a sudden uptick in dev & support @ Cyangenmod. I'm sure new devs will start flocking to the platform too ...