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Looking for it to be like the good old days

Hey everyone.
My post count may not be high, but I've been here a long time. In fact, the first rom upgrade I did was on my "T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition". If anyone here knows what that is, raise your hand.
My point is this...
Why can't it be like it used to be. When I first started considering upgrading my ROM on a PPC, I was scared as **** to do it. I read and read and read to make sure I knew exactly what I was doing. even then I was still scared.
The support by the authors was limited just like it is now, for the same reason. they would rather be cooking than supporting. Thats the way it should be. Users who are ballsy enough to want to Flash their rom to something that is not supported by their OEM/Service provider should be on their own.
Giving feedback on beta or early release builds of roms is certainally different. Unfortunately, I just saw the same thing happen over in the Wizards upgrade (WM6) area where the Rom Cooks got fed up with all of the people who needed hand-holding and were not using the resources available to them (Search, Google, Wiki...) and were asking dumb questions that were answered 100 times over. I know that what the Cooks are going is out of love. there is no money (other than donations) in what they do.
My point (again) is this...
Don't drive away the people who keep my hobby going. I love using my PPC and enjoy loading new ROMs onto it and I feel like that is being ruined. I propose that the WM6 or other upgrade forums be closed off to users until they have been registered for 30 days and emphasize the usefulness of the wiki.

I can't agree more!!
I am in a similar situation and like you I have grown with this forum and appreciate the value added by the gurus of our devices.
There is no way to measure the time and effort spent by these few individuals who have assisted in adding significant value to our "half" working devices.
Without this forum all my current and previous HTC devices would only be half functional.
I recommend a read only account and an initiation process for anyone who wants to post. This should include a multiple question exam based on best practice and our specific forum rules. Violators of the rules should recieve one warning and then be permenantly banned.
my 2c.
P.S. Thanks to all the gurus, to many to name!!!

then make the point in the current thread that counts... check the sticky for wm7 photo build this is where these issues are being discussed...

[Q] Can we please start a forum here for MetroPCS SAmsung Indulge?

Hi,
I see from another forum that several inquiries have been made about giving the Samsung Indulge it's own forum here at XDA.
I'd like to ask this question of the forum developers here.
Another post said that the answer given was that only the top four carriers can get a forum here.
Why?
We need some help cracking this phone from some of you heavy hitters here . Apparently it's not easy.There is alot of crapware on this phone, and the battery life is abysmal.
There is some talk at the Android forum of offering a bounty.....anyone interested in this?
If the fact that this phone is locked down so tightly doesn't warrant it getting it's own forum here, what does? Seems like this phone is the perfect candidate. And wasn't it one of the first 4g phones actually available? I would think this would be enuff to get a heavy hitter interested.
Bragging rights and all.
Help!

I second this notion but rather you guys like it or not, Metropcs have its first android 4g phone with an unlimited $60 dollar plan no contract, i can see metro taking over if other carriers don't get with the program! Back on Topic, please can u make a device thread for this phone, its still new but it will soon get much attention if u let it. This website has the best hackers and trouble shooters i know, i know because im coming from an HTC HD2. The samsung indulge has great potential but its super locked down! Help us, its not like it wont fit in, it is an android phone which could even offer fixes for others, please don't exclude us from the community based on carrier, kinda sad.................

Yep, we need help. We have the phone rooted but need something more. Samsung has done some strange stuff with this phone.

I now this thread is probably gonna be trashed, because XDA only supports the primary 4 carriers. However with the recent addition of nationwide cellular phone service as well as LTE for the top U.S. cities Metropcs deserves a second consideration. Metropcs will no doubt be a competitor in the very same market as the primary 4 for a long time to come. With that competition expanding (more rapidly than the other as well) one way or another Metropcs is many people's future. To put a finer point on it. Metropcs should be a defacto choice for the open source community in general as their lack of restrictions on their network, As well as not requiring any kind of contract puts them in a decidedly less evil position than the primary 4. Did i mention they charge about half as much and are truly unlimited? I realize most skiddies could care less, because they are on mommy and daddys dime anyhow. However some of us working class people actually desire to support with our hard earned money those who believe in things like freedom of information and supporting the company that adheres closest to our personal principles, and not supporting the very same company who would lobby against the very consumer it was created to support. Now im not a Metropcs fan boy, and i understand that Metropcs also can lobby against general consumer desires, But without the likes of company's like Metropcs to rival the Quadopoly there is little interest on the quadopoly's part to provide better services at ever more reasonable price points. And while i mention only Metropcs, there are many other companys in their own region fighting to provide the same benefits to their consumer's. That if the quadopoly's had their way would be incapable on competing due to cost of entry and spectrum saturation.

im in, signing the petition or whatever i need to do
i have an indulge i can send out if anyone is interested in creating a custom rom for us, one thats rooted

I agree with everything said above! I support the concept of "free" and I do want to hold providers accountable for "unlimited". Whatever it takes. With a European perspective and the way cellular business is overseas, I can see that this forum actually helps people break free from the claws of the cellular trust dominating the US market and practicing marginally predatory hardsell fineprint type contracts. This would be one more step to freedom. A bold one. Just think about everything that's going to start happening, once an unrestricted ROM for Indulge hits the openspace... more people would pick these phones and ditch their contracts and the day when the snowball swallows "the big 4" will be near!

allow me to throw my name on the petition as well. Who knows these countermeasures could be included on future phones on the big 4. In which case getting it fixed before it hits there would work for everyone.

I pledge to pledge if a bounty is started for whoever can get full root on the Indulge!

I agree, MetroPCS phones should be taken into consideration. I used to have metro, but their phones lacked what I needed which forced me to move to Tmobile (eh.. nexus 1 bells 'n whistles helped too)
Anyhow, I'm in agreement with choosing a carrier that is less expensive and therefore more competitive in the mobile market. I'm tired of paying $180ish for 2 phones when I could have "more" for $120ish.
The phones have the capability, its just a matter of exploiting it.
I'm in for the possibility of expanding the community to include metro phones.

There is a Bounty thread started at the Indulge Forum at Androidforums.com.......

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11950512#post11950512
bounty thread

myprepaiddroid has it's own indulge forum section it's lacking a little but it's a start.

Yes I agree with all of the above. Please lets do it, indulge owners count too...
Sent from my SCH-R910 using XDA Premium App

Mods should take note that this was the FIRST LTE Android phone available, doesn't that count for something?
According to the fcc filings this phone is able to make a voice call while data is active (not common with most CDMA phones) but it was disabled in software. That would be an amazing feature to unlock
Until the forum is created I suggest that all the Indulge owners look here
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-indulge/

i also think there should be a section for the indulge, that is a really good device

ok
thanks for help

Now that a one click root solution has been created can we get more attention on this phone?
http://androidforums.com/indulge-al...g-galaxy-indulge-fully-working-4-10-11-a.html

Also this will be jumping onto Cricket this summer so we need more users here. Reminds me of the Epic or Transform.

Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers (long read)

Original Article
Background​I don't believe that I need to introduce myself, but if I do my name is P3Droid. I am a phone enthusiast and have been working in the Android platform for 17 months. I have been very lucky in my short time on the Android platform. I think more than anything I have been lucky enough to be in the right places at the right times. The day I first saw and played with the Droid (OG) I thought “that is the ugliest damn phone I've ever played with”. Then I was asked back into the store by my friend (nameless) to get some time with the Android platform and he began to explain to me how open the phone was and how a “smart” person could do anything they wanted to the phone. That turned what I thought was an ugly phone into the sexiest beast ever. I guess that was approximately October of 2009, and I was excited about the possibilities and dove right in without checking the depth of the water.
I spent much of the year on an open phone and an open platform, and sometime in July I picked up a Droid X. I soon found a great bunch of friends and we formed Team Black Hat. Really wanting to break the bootloader, we spent more hours working on it than we did our 9 – 5 jobs. Eventually we came to the conclusion (with help from some unique resources), that we were not going to accomplish our objective. Every so often we still pluck away at it, but we have moved on to other things that will help people enjoy their Droid phones.
Fast forward to October 2010. I'm still in love with the concept of android, and I've done more than my share of developing, themeing, creating ROMS and even hacking. *Having been involved in so many things and having developed some unique contacts, I have been privy to information that is not disseminated to the masses. Some of this information I was asked to sit on. Some information I sat on because I felt it was best to do so for our entire community. You have probably seen me rant on occasion about what I thought the community was doing wrong and causing itself future pain. Each of those days I had received even more disheartening information. So where does this leave me? It leaves me with a difficult choice to make. What to tell, how much to tell, and do I want to give information out that could possible be slightly wrong. I've worked very hard to verify things through multiple sources, when possible, and some other information comes from sources so reliable that I take them at their word.
This brings me up to today. I've tossed and turned regarding how to say this, and how to express all of the information and my feelings in regards to this information. I guess the solution is to just let you all decide for yourselves what you think and what you want to do.
One Shoe Falls​
Beginning in July, we (TBH), began hearing things about Motorola working on ways to make rooting the device more difficult. This was going to be done via Google through the kernel. No big deal we thought, the community always finds a way. When Froyo was released and there was no root for some time we became a bit concerned but soon there was a process and even 1-clicks. This was good news and bad news to me, because it simply meant that they would go back to the drawing board and improve upon what they had done.
During this time there were still little rumors here and there about security of devices, and other such things but nothing solid and concrete. Until November.
The Other Shoe Falls​
Beginning in October, the information began coming in faster and it had more of a dire ring to it. It was also coming in from multiple sources. I began to rant a little at the state of our community, and that we were the cause of our own woes. So what did I hear?
1. New devices would present challenges for the community that would most likely be insurmountable, and that Motorola specifically – would be impossible to hack the bootloader. Considering we never hacked the previous 3G phones, this was less than encouraging.
2.Locked bootloaders, and phones were not a Motorola-only issue, that the major manufacturers and carriers had agreed this was the best course of action.(see new HTC devices)
3. The driving forces for device lock down was theft of service by rooted users, the return of non-defective devices due to consumer fraud, and the use of non-approved firmware on the networks.
I think I posted my first angry message and tweet about being a responsible community soon after getting this information. I knew the hand writing was on the wall, and we would not be able to stop what was coming, but maybe we could convince them we were not all thieves and cut throats.
Moving along, December marked a low point for me. The information started to firm up, and I was able to verify it through multiple channels. This information made the previous information look like a day in the park. So what was new?
1. Multiple carriers were working collaboratively on a program that would be able to identify rooted users and create a database of their meids.
2. Manufacturers who supply Verizon were baking into the roms new security features:
a. one security feature would identify any phone using a tether program to circumvent paying for tethering services. (check your gingerbread DroidX/Droid2 people and try wireless tether)
b. a second security feature would allow the phone to identify itself to the network if rooted.
c. security item number 2 would be used to track, throttle, even possibly restrict full data usage of these rooted phones.
The Rubber Meets the Road​
So, I wish I had more time to have added this to the original post, but writing something like this takes a lot of time and effort to put all the information into context and provide some form of linear progression.
Lets get on with the story. March of this year was a monumental month for me. The information was unsettling and I felt as if we had a gigantic bulls-eye on our backs.
This is what I have heard:
1. The way that they were able to track rooted users is based on pushing updates to phones, and then tracking which meid's did not take the update. There is more to it than this but that is the simple version.
2. More than one major carrier besides Verizon has implemented this program and that all carriers involved had begun tracking rooted phones. All carriers involved were more than pleased with the accuracy of the program.
1. What I was not told is what the carriers intended to do with this information.
3. In new builds the tracking would be built into the firmware and that if a person removed the tracking from the firmware then the phone would not be verified on the network (i.e. your phone could not make phone calls or access data).
4. Google is working with carriers and manufacturers to secure phones, and although Google is not working to end hacking, it is working to secure the kernel so that no future applications can maliciously use exploits to steal end-user information. But in order to gain this level of security this may mean limited chances to root the device. (This item I've been told but not yet able to verify through multiple sources – so take it for what you want)
5. Verizon has successfully used its new programs to throttle data on test devices in accordance with the guidelines of the program.
6. The push is to lock down the devices as tight as can be, but also offer un-lockable devices (Think Nexus S).
The question I've asked is why? Why do all this; why go through so much trouble. The answer I get is a very logical one and one I understand even if I don't like it. It is about the money. With LTE arriving and the higher charges for data and tethering, carriers feel they must bottle up the ability of users to root their device and access this data, circumventing the expensive tethering charges.
What I would like to leave you with is that this is not an initiative unique to Verizon or Motorola, this is industry wide and encompassing many manufacturers.
So what does all this mean? You will need to make your own conjectures about what to think of all of this. But, I think that the rooting, hacking, and modding community - as we know it - is living on borrowed time.
In the final analysis of all this I guess I'll leave you with my feelings:
I will take what comes and turn it into a better brighter day, that is all I can do because I do not control the world.
Disclaimers:
I am intentionally not including any names of sources as they do not want to lose their jobs.
This information is being presented to you as I have received and verified it. *
I only deal with information pertaining to US carriers and have no specific knowledge concerning foreign carriers.
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Thoughts? Is there a future for Rooting?

sources in verizon

since verizon has been playing stupid with us over how they changed the operating system, this may have caused some problems like it has for me with my ideas for porting operating systems to the phone. but i do know a person who has been working in verizon for quite some time and may be able to get some answers. i'll post the answers here as soon as i get them. hope this helps! (Honestly, I don't understand why they don't tell us what we want to know even though they've basically dropped the phone. And, my source person is my friends dad so i may have better chances of getting information than other people who tried things like this in the past.)

Verizon Note 4 Rooted!! Check description

As I was searching the Internet today I came across this! Can anyone verify it??
http://www.usoftsmartphone.com/t410056.html

For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.

chevycam94 said:
For some reason I have my doubts about this. Not just that, but there is no link anywhere, just screenshots, which can be easily faked. This kind of thing happens in the gaming console arena all the time. People just do it for attention. Until a recognized developer we KNOW (on here preferrably......hsbadr????) can confirm this, Im going to rule it as fake.
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Although, he has some petty good video of startup, reboot, and maintaining root...as well as showing root checker etc. so time will tell.

The guys a FRAUD. The XDA mods locked down his thread cause he was posting lies about permanent root which he willfully failed to show verity upon request. He is only looking for attention by means of "Thanks." pay him no attention. He's a troll. lol

Farse
This looks like a waste of time...delete.

So there is no reliable system yet to root the Note 4?

They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".

plainbum said:
They way most of you have been treating and talking about this guy, if I were him and really did have the solution, I'd say "eff ya".
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Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.

He already said many times he wasn't going to release it. He said it would hurt his business and Samsung would patch it.
Which translates to I've found something that will work on many Samsung devices so if I release it I won't be able to use it to make money in my business, because having a solution for only the Verizon note 4 is not going to do his business much good as he is from outside US.

spocko said:
Agreed. I don't understand why everyone is so uppity. What's the harm in just being patient and having a "wait and see" attitude, instead of calling him a fraud and dropping the ban hammer just because he hasn't revealed details yet. Unless we know for certain that he hasn't achieved root, then I don't think we should push him away, even if we don't like his methods. Keep in mind that there is a language barrier here also, so there may be some misunderstanding.
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All you have to do is look at his past post. He did the same thing with an LG device. Posting he has achieved root when he had not. When the mods finally asked him to provide proof he declined to answer. When he's been contacted on his site, his number, etc, etc, he declines to answer the question and left the LG community it's in a complete disarray. We don't need people posting root achieved notices just to get their thanks scores higher. The Note 4 community it's has been thru enough already. And if it was going to hurt his business to release the method, then why release I've achieved root. No thanks, the guys a complete fraud.

I can appreciate that reasoning, thanks.
Here a genuine question, not trying to be argumentative:
How is this situation with vnmobile different than the video posted showing the Galaxy S5 bootloader unlock?
http://www.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5-bootloader-has-been-unlocked/
It appears that this dev (beaups) does not plan to release his methods either, yet he is not treated with the same disdain as vnmobile. Granted it appears that beaups has earned respect previously, but at the end of the day the same question remains: what is the purpose of sharing the video?

This guy definitely a fraud. His real name is Ngoc Vu and he's running a business selling tech equipments in Vietnam. Let me throw a few things on the table here.
1) Language barrier issue - Nope I speak his language and had visit his website and his facebood page. Just full of shi...
2)Hurt his business if he released the root fix? Another bull sh... 2 ways he could make money. a) release the fix and collect over 20k cash from XDA b) Offer a service to root the phone with a fee. Guess what? none existed.
Summary - he just want to drive traffic to his web site, and make his business more visible to the world specially XDA where everyone interested in cell phone/tablet and electronic equipments. Case closed!

i just saw this post. And i confirmed he is a Vietnamese guys. like me. ^^
But i am so surprise, because he used the Booloader and ROM from "hsbadr" of XDA forum.
- This is the post of HERO "hsbadr" (By hsbadr, Recognized Developer / Recognized Contributor on 13th August 2015, 10:46 PM) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...nt/firmware-safe-upgrade-to-lollipop-t3178148
------------------------AND this the post of the guy in Vietnam ^^ (it was 31-10-2015, 06:02 PM ) . in Asia country like Vietnam, the Day is first, then the Month. So his video was Oct 31,2015. After "hsbadr" released his tutorial. ^^ i wish i can upload photo for you guys.
http://vietfones.vn/forum/showthread.php?1047158
This: "N910VVRU2BOG5 - Android 5.0.1 : Fri, 31 Jul 2015" is f-u-c-king fake ^^
Pls Forgive him!!!