I am thinkingabout buying a Windowsphone 7 device from at&t in December when I can upgrade. My inspire 4g may not be able to run jellybean this year and I am tired of androidbeing sluggish and fragmented. I love the simplicity I can see in videos of windows phone and with the titan 2 starting up the ne let featurein windows phones I think it would be a good idea for some change. !*BUT*! I am worried about when Apollo comes out my phone MIGHT not be upgraded and I would be stuck with an old outdated phone for a year. I was also wondering what kind of hacking community there is and what kind of hacks there are. If somebody could post all of the pros and cons of windowsphone compared to android and the hacking comunity
To restate my questions I want to.know:
1)what are the pros and cons of windows phone compare to android
2) what kind of hacking community is there for windows phone and what hacks and mods are there
3) will it be upgraded to Apollo(I know that no one can say for sure but there are some sources I'm sure that have an idea)
Thanks in advance for any replies
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Well the hacking community on android is much larger than the one for windows phone, and plus there are not quite as many things that you can change in windows phone as you can in android. Another problem is that if you get a second gen windows phone you will not be able to unlock it unless you get a Microsoft developer account, I think it is called an "app hub" account. Even then there will not be many things that you could side load onto your phone. The only gen 2 windows phones that can be unlocked are the Samsung ones, from this one opening called "windows break". The pros with windows phones are simplicity, no lag over time(my android experience, fast in the beginning slow over time) but the cons are the customization of the phone and things like that. Well there is a large chance that all windows phone will get upgraded to Apollo, but they wont have all of the features that the Apollo devices will have.
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Well the hacking community on android is much larger than the one for windows phone, and plus there are not quite as many things that you can change in windows phone as you can in android. Another problem is that if you get a second gen windows phone you will not be able to unlock it unless you get a Microsoft developer account, I think it is called an "app hub" account. Even then there will not be many things that you could side load onto your phone. The only gen 2 windows phones that can be unlocked are the Samsung ones, from this one opening called "windows break". The pros with windows phones are simplicity, no lag over time(my android experience, fast in the beginning slow over time) but the cons are the customization of the phone and things like that. Well there is a large chance that all windows phone will get upgraded to Apollo, but they wont have all of the features that the Apollo devices will have.
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I know the development community is small but would you mind giving an example or two of the changesyou can make...it seems good enough jump right? Would you recommend switc? And thanks a bu.ch for the help!
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I think it's too early for you to post if it's 1 year from now on.
You really mean December?
As far as I understand, latest gen WPs will have the highest possiblity up upgrade, Lumia 800-900, Titan II
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1)what are the pros and cons of windows phone compare to android
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I hated android up to 4.0 and it still sucks for me, too much lag, fragmentation, piracy concerns over Google, etc. Yes, not a fan of Android in general so hard to not be biased.
I think WP is the new king of innovation, it was Apple with the original iPhone first but not they just sue and copy.
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-flattered-with-apples-ios-5-windows-phone-features/
TL;DR WP is simply beautiful, snappy and intuitive
If it's hacking and modding you're looking for, Windows Phone isn't your ideal OS--you want Android. You're not going to get custom ROMs and a wide selection of homebrew root-user apps on Windows Phone. That stuff doesn't exist.
If, however, you're looking for a cohesive, refined, "authentically digital" user experience and interface, Windows Phone is the place to be. It's beautiful and fluid in ways that Android will never be.
And if you're looking to develop, Windows Phone is a great place to start. It doesn't have the horrendous up-front cost of developing for iPhone, and it doesn't have the fragmentation/emulator problems of developing for Android. The emulator works great, and if you want to publish to the market or sideload onto your phone, it's only $100--free if you're a student!
well the cons for windows phone are simply that it isn't as customizable as android is and also currently does not support USB mass storage ,this has been a problem for some and may be a problem for you but I haven't really missed it because of SkyDrive and how it's integrated into the phone. Mass storage will be even more unnecessary with win8.
The pros are that it has more integrated services than Android does out the box and that it doesn't need 4 cores to run smooth and stable. It also provides a top notch, innovative and beautiful experience. All phones especially the ones that shipped with mango will be updated to Apollo. But since you won't be upgrading till December I'm sure there will be phones around that time with Apollo pre installed.
Why is this the new chant "4 cores to run smooth"? It is not even true.
trh1341, would you be able to run through what exactly you use your phone for now? What apps do you use? Features? Are you looking to buy out of contract or on a plan?
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Why is this the new chant "4 cores to run smooth"? It is not even true.
trh1341, would you be able to run through what exactly you use your phone for now? What apps do you use? Features? Are you looking to buy out of contract or on a plan?
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Well I don't do to much...I have a couple games but other than that I really only listen to music and look aroundon the internet I sometimes stream music...I really just. Need a phone that runs smooth and can get me throughthe day when listeningto music with SOME web browsing...can windows pho.e do that well you think?
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Well I don't do to much...I have a couple games but other than that I really only listen to music and look aroundon the internet I sometimes stream music...I really just. Need a phone that runs smooth and can get me throughthe day when listeningto music with SOME web browsing...can windows pho.e do that well you think?
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For that? Yes, WP is perfect for that. Internet browsing is fluid and quick- there's no lag in scrolling or zooming, the download speeds for pages are pretty equivalent, and IE is actually a stunningly good mobile browser.
For music streaming, you can stream from Google Music with an app, from Skydrive, or - if you want a real premium service, Zune's streaming is the best out of all the mobile ecosystems.
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For that? Yes, WP is perfect for that. Internet browsing is fluid and quick- there's no lag in scrolling or zooming, the download speeds for pages are pretty equivalent, and IE is actually a stunningly good mobile browser.
For music streaming, you can stream from Google Music with an app, from Skydrive, or - if you want a real premium service, Zune's streaming is the best out of all the mobile ecosystems.
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How much is skydive and zine? Sorry for all these dumb questions
I am hopingthe titan 2 will be out by December
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SkyDrive gives you 25GB for free with 50 (or maybe 100MB) file size limitations. I believe this is free and you will be able to access your content and stream this way.
Zune's Music pass is $9.99 subscription based service for streaming music. I have never used it but I hear good things from users.
The Titan 2 seems like quite a large phone for that purpose. And I am not sure what kind of battery life that phone will achieve.
I have a titan 1 and get about 17 hours life out of it. That is using the internet, texting, exchange mail, hotmail (both pushed), Comcast, and 2 other email accounts checking every hour.
For streaming. There is also a pandora client although not official, tune in radio is simply awesome as it will find all your local radio stations for any city, it includes an fm radio in every windows phone, don't have to subscribe to zune, you can also just purchase music which also syncs to your pc, slacker radio, iheartradio. Lots of music choices.
For fun, - I lol'd, that's what she said, the chive, and urban dictionary rock + all have live tiles.
For weather - i am now using a paid app called amazing weather which has animations. Weather channel is really good for free and so is accuweather. all have live tiles to show you current weather on home screen without opening app.
Games - where to start. Yeti sports is fun. Splinter cell. Need for speed undercover and hot pursuit. For free - titan rocks. I still haven't completed it.
Windows phone has trials for most games so check them out.
Messenger . Video chat - facebook is built in along with windows live, twitter and link'nd in
IM+ is pretty good as a multimessenger. Skype although it's beta and contacts must be loaded from the pc version. Tango works pretty well also.
Facebook also has a seperate client.
Forward contact is cool. It changes your business card into a QR code that any phone can scan in using a qr reader.
Barcode reading is built in although there was a few it couldnt find. Shop savy makes up for it and is free.
Keyring - scan all your grocerie cards in so you don't have to carry them
HTC flashlight - Since windows phone voice opens apps, this rocks. press the windows button and say start flashlight and it will come on. Great for finding your keys when you forget to turn porch light on.
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I have a titan 1 and get about 17 hours life out of it. That is using the internet, texting, exchange mail, hotmail (both pushed), Comcast, and 2 other email accounts checking every hour.
For streaming. There is also a pandora client although not official, tune in radio is simply awesome as it will find all your local radio stations for any city, it includes an fm radio in every windows phone, don't have to subscribe to zune, you can also just purchase music which also syncs to your pc, slacker radio, iheartradio. Lots of music choices.
For fun, - I lol'd, that's what she said, the chive, and urban dictionary rock + all have live tiles.
For weather - i am now using a paid app called amazing weather which has animations. Weather channel is really good for free and so is accuweather. all have live tiles to show you current weather on home screen without opening app.
Games - where to start. Yeti sports is fun. Splinter cell. Need for speed undercover and hot pursuit. For free - titan rocks. I still haven't completed it.
Windows phone has trials for most games so check them out.
Messenger . Video chat - facebook is built in along with windows live, twitter and link'nd in
IM+ is pretty good as a multimessenger. Skype although it's beta and contacts must be loaded from the pc version. Tango works pretty well also.
Facebook also has a seperate client.
Forward contact is cool. It changes your business card into a QR code that any phone can scan in using a qr reader.
Barcode reading is built in although there was a few it couldnt find. Shop savy makes up for it and is free.
Keyring - scan all your grocerie cards in so you don't have to carry them
HTC flashlight - Since windows phone voice opens apps, this rocks. press the windows button and say start flashlight and it will come on. Great for finding your keys when you forget to turn porch light on.
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This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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Perhaps I've missed something but: if you're waiting until December, then Apollo should be out by then.
In which case you'll know whether or not the current phones are being upgraded and you'll know what newly released phones with Apollo pre-installed are available.
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trh1341 said:
This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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Ty
The titan is my 2nd windows phone. I have been using windows phone since pre nodo when it was released. My original phone was a surround which i still have. My wife sold her iphone because she was trying to cut our bill down and since i got my titan for a penny, she has been using my surround to play games and check facebook - She doesn't like technology though so she still won't stick her sim card in it and use it as a phone (without a data plan) but windows phone is slowly winning her over with the ease of use and games that are the style she likes (she plays the simple ones)
If you are waiting on the titan 2 though ... i would suggest getting the nokia 900 instead. Screen is a little smaller... but Nokia is top notch in quality. I love my titan, but if i could get a Nokia 900 with front facing camera and clear black technology (look up what that does and you will see why) I'd trade my titan in, in a heartbeat.
i agree with the guy above me, nokia is the way to go and their phones are just beautiful, plus on a biased note i cannot stand tablet sized screens.
i was in the same boat as you back in october, but i knew it was time to switch because i just didnt have time to hack and mod to have android run smoother. android is such a hassle, i regret ever wasting time with it. wp7 is so convenient and smooth. zune pass is great if you want to find great music haha, i find like 2 new artists a day.
so based on your daily uses i would definitely suggest wp u wont regret it. and go for a nokia device not htc, they have started to make crappy phones over the past 2 years.
I actually get great battery life out of my Titan too. At the end of business day, I have about 70+% battery life remaining. Thats heavy texting, mid to heavy calls, mild games and mid to heavy use of music.
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This is probablyone of the most complete answers I have ever seen! Thanks very much! I want the titan 2 becauseof the lte
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Ty
The titan is my 2nd windows phone. I have been using windows phone since pre nodo when it was released. My original phone was a surround which i still have. My wife sold her iphone because she was trying to cut our bill down and since i got my titan for a penny, she has been using my surround to play games and check facebook - She doesn't like technology though so she still won't stick her sim card in it and use it as a phone (without a data plan) but windows phone is slowly winning her over with the ease of use and games that are the style she likes (she plays the simple ones)
If you are waiting on the titan 2 though ... i would suggest getting the nokia 900 instead. Screen is a little smaller... but Nokia is top notch in quality. I love my titan, but if i could get a Nokia 900 with front facing camera and clear black technology (look up what that does and you will see why) I'd trade my titan in, in a heartbeat.
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The Titan really has no front facing camera?? Thanks again all of you! I will probably go for the Nokia....same size screen ad my inspire
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The Titan really has no front facing camera?? Thanks again all of you! I will probably go for the Nokia....same size screen ad my inspire
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I think you got him wrong. The Titan sports a 1.3mp front facing camera.
Get a HTC trophy.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...on-of-its-os-just-for-your-pocket-superphone/
It seems they are going to release images for Galaxy nexus. lets hope this can be ported soon to Note II when they release it.
Press Release:
Ubuntu comes to the phone, with a beautifully distilled interface and a unique full PC capability when docked
· Leading open PC platform with huge global following announces mobile version for network operators, OEMs and silicon vendors
· Fast, beautiful interface for entry level smartphones
· Unique PC experience on superphones when docked with a monitor, keyboard and mouse
· Ubuntu raises the bar for mobile UI design, for richer and more immersive apps
· A single OS for phone, PC and TV
London, UK, 2 January, 2013: Canonical today announced a distinctive smartphone interface for its popular operating system, Ubuntu, using all four edges of the screen for a more immersive experience. Ubuntu uniquely gives handset OEMs and mobile operators the ability to converge phone, PC and thin client into a single enterprise superphone.
"We expect Ubuntu to be popular in the enterprise market, enabling customers to provision a single secure device for all PC, thin client and phone functions. Ubuntu is already the most widely used Linux enterprise desktop, with customers in a wide range of sectors focused on security, cost and manageability" said Jane Silber, CEO of Canonical. "We also see an opportunity in basic smartphones that are used for the phone, SMS, web and email, where Ubuntu outperforms thanks to its native core apps and stylish presentation."
Ubuntu is aimed at two core mobile segments: the high-end superphone, and the entry-level basic smartphone, helping operators grow the use of data amongst consumers who typically use only the phone and messaging but who might embrace the use of web and email on their phone. Ubuntu also appeals to aspirational prosumers who want a fresh experience with faster, richer performance on a lower bill-of-materials device.
The handset interface for Ubuntu introduces distinctive new user experiences to the mobile market, including:
1. Edge magic: thumb gestures from all four edges of the screen enable users to find content and switch between apps faster than other phones.
1. Deep content immersion - controls appear only when the user wants them.
2. A beautiful global search for apps, content and products.
3. Voice and text commands in any application for faster access to rich capabilities.
4. Both native and web or HTML5 apps.
5. Evolving personalised art on the welcome screen.
Ubuntu offers compelling customisation options for partner apps, content and services. Operators and OEMs can easily add their own branded offerings. Canonical's personal cloud service, Ubuntu One, provides storage and media services, file sharing and a secure transaction service which enables partners to integrate their own service offerings easily.
Canonical makes it easy to build phones with Ubuntu. The company provides engineering services to offload the complexity of maintaining multiple code bases which has proven to be a common issue for smartphone manufacturers, freeing the manufacturer to focus on hardware design and integration. For silicon vendors, Ubuntu is compatible with a typical Android Board Support Package (BSP). This means Ubuntu is ready to run on the most cost-efficient chipset designs.
In bringing Ubuntu to the phone, Canonical is uniquely placed with a single operating system for client, server and cloud, and a unified family of interfaces for the phone, the PC and the TV. "We are defining a new era of convergence in technology, with one unified operating system that underpins cloud computing, data centers, PCs and consumer electronics" says Mark Shuttleworth, founder of Ubuntu and VP Products at Canonical.
Canonical currently serves the leading PC OEMs: ASUS, Dell, HP, and Lenovo all certify the majority of their PCs on Ubuntu and pre-install it in global markets. Over 20 million desktop PCs run the OS today, and Canonical estimates that close to 10% of the world's new desktops and laptops will ship with Ubuntu in 2014. Ubuntu is also wildly popular as a server platform, the number one server OS on the key major public clouds and the leading host OS for OpenStack, the open source IAAS
Just saw this too and at the end of their 20 minute video they said that it would run with the android kernel and drivers meaning it shouldn't be hard at all to port to our current device!
This summer I saw an XDA video of a galaxy s 2 running Ubuntu for Android. It shared the same kernel and worked together with android. As soon as you connected the phone to the dock it turned into an Ubuntu os desktop pc. This is what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in using Ubuntu as my phone os. Is this what is being released by canonical? Because from the videos I saw today it seems its a new operating system.
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this is a brand new OS and i really hope we can get it on the note 2 since its the top of the line phone
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This summer I saw an XDA video of a galaxy s 2 running Ubuntu for Android. It shared the same kernel and worked together with android. As soon as you connected the phone to the dock it turned into an Ubuntu os desktop pc. This is what I'm interested in. I'm not interested in using Ubuntu as my phone os. Is this what is being released by canonical? Because from the videos I saw today it seems its a new operating system.
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That was only ever available to OEM's, and I'm fairly sure none of them took it up. That's probably why Canonical have taken this route instead.
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Just saw this too and at the end of their 20 minute video they said that it would run with the android kernel and drivers meaning it shouldn't be hard at all to port to our current device!
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Thats the reason why i am so excited. Happy times ahead!!
Actuality there will be a phone released at the end of the year that uses Ubunta as an operating system. The Android Ubunta when docked system is a first step. Ubuntu will compete with all the existing phone operating systems within the next 12 months.
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It looks good in theory. As a long time Ubuntu pc user this is something exciting for me but the are few issues having this on note 2 even in the future. I am sure it will have note port down the line. But the os is heavily gesture based. And most gestures are designed to work from edges of the screen. For big device like note 2 this rules out seamless one hand passion for doing even basic things which you can still do on Android with Samsung customisations.
I understand appeal in gesture based OS, but in real world day to day use, point and click approach is most of the times faster.
But o would still like to try it out.
From my Note 2, in your face.
I had Ubuntu on my N2 with Linux Installer. Just C**p.
Edit: Damn... I just watched the Keynote. Looks pretty amazing
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With something as close to perfect as the note 2 + a few tweaks, why would anyone consider using a new mobile Os?
For the hundreds of dollars in apps I would lose, it would take the most amazing mobile os to convince me to change and right now Android does it all for me.
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The only thing that worries me is applications. If ubuntu is able to use apps for Android it world be great. But I doubt it will have access to play store.
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But if it's using Android Drivers and Kernel, would it not be possible to tweak it to allow compatibility for Android Apps? Or at the very least the possibility to dual-boot it with a Siyah (or similar) kernel, so you get the best of both worlds, who knows perhaps they will even work out some sort of deal with Google to use the Play store by the time the first Ubuntu devices hit the market
Great clip of it in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoXpLUr5WB4
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God, that just looks so sleek!
Man I cannot wait! Please post if you know of a way to get the ball rolling on this.
Yeah i know how to get the ball rolling....first you need a flashable image, and since that hasnt been released yet....good luck with that
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Yeah i know how to get the ball rolling....first you need a flashable image, and since that hasnt been released yet....good luck with that
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Yeah I think I'm going to break my F5 key....
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But if it's using Android Drivers and Kernel, would it not be possible to tweak it to allow compatibility for Android Apps? Or at the very least the possibility to dual-boot it with a Siyah (or similar) kernel, so you get the best of both worlds, who knows perhaps they will even work out some sort of deal with Google to use the Play store by the time the first Ubuntu devices hit the market
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I don't think it would be in googles interest to give a competing OS a helping hand.
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I don't think it would be in googles interest to give a competing OS a helping hand.
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Next you know, Googlux is the biggest player around
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there are a few devs working on this port... nothing other than the interface works right now... but there's steady progress... so expect it in a month or so...
So I picked up a G4 and iPhone 6 Plus today. My plan is to use the iPhone as more of an entertainment device music, movies and games since apple has better games in their store unfortunately. Anyway I was wondering if it was possible to download movies from the G4 and pass them over to the iPhone somehow? I know you can download the torrent files on the G4 but passing them is what I'm drawing a blank. If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate it a lot thank you in advance!
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Very weird question..
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I've never tried that. But maybe go G4 -> computer, then via iTunes, copy the video to the iPhone?
The G4 would be the much better media device since all you need to do is drag-and-drop and watch as you please. Not mention the expandable storage. With iOS, you're pretty much stuck with iTunes sync and then the hassle of file conversions and so on.
As for games, iOS runs it better. My 5S blows the G4 out of the water. Doesn't matter having a high resolution if games need to run at lower settings and still doesn't feel as smooth.
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