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Question To Admins: XDA TO Support Android Discussions ?

I love XDA, I love the people here and I truly beleive there is no other place like it on the net.
I'm moving over to Android and I have already seen a few threads popping up around the subject on here.
My question is will the XDA admin be looking at extending support to other Android phones than the G1 including those made by other OEMs like Samsung and will the site carry on supporting those in the same way Winmo has been.
I dont believe Android is going any where and I would like to see the site expand to embrace it and continue been the number on place to use your phone properly as well as trying out new stuff.
PS Admin - feel free to change the title if you want.
Terran

The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave

Sort General Forum by OS?
Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.

DaveShaw said:
The general rule on this site is that devices can only have a forum if manufactured by HTC.
Requests for Non-HTC Windows Mobile device forums have not been accepted by the admins, so I think it is safe to assume that Non-HTC Android device forums will also, not be created.
Thanks
Dave
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i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.

wovens said:
Can I pose a suggestion here? I know that the site is for HTC devices and the devices now come in different OS flavours. Should there be a separation on the subforuns (fora?) by OS now? There are more threads for the Android (and it is gonna be big soon!) coming up and it is getting even more confusing to sift through the posts even more so on the General area and it would be easier for everybody to identify what they want and how to help. No offence here but some other sites already sort things by OS and it looks much neater the way they do.
Cheers! All the best.
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no need for that imo....the forum is very precise and easy to use and there isn't much confusion...so no need for that....
and in a few years (hopefully) we will overcome WM and you will have WM manufactured devices running android and linux with great reliability
...i mean when did MS care for reliability

keridel said:
i can understand why they would do such a thing. however. This site is THE best on the web for everything HTC but also for everything WINMO. there is a lot on here with the omnia and Xperia becausreit's the same OS. I think XDA-devs should allow other phones on here as long as the developers here are working on them then lets have the forums.
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the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources

farukb said:
the thing in being strictly htc forum is that we do not want bunch of nokias and other devices around here...
the forum would be destroyed and not usable if there were all those manufacturers.....mobile telephones are one huge field and one forum can't deal with it
xperia is a htc...otherwise it wouldn't be in the forum...the omnia is not and there is no official forum for it.....but as you could probably see bunch of guys gather in the general forum...and that really sucks because they were asked not to and they still do (they do not respect the forum or pay any attention to it imo)....and mods can't deal with it because of their time and resources
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i apologise i didnt realise xperia was htc as well. no i too dont want nokia users here lol. i suppose the compromise is keep the forum htc phones but allow in depth use of the resources for the OS's. android has a place here as it is used by h... you know what i'm writing this and thinking to myself actually I DONT want loads of other phones here. I like the fact that XDA-devs are the best there is and you do that by being a specialist not a generalist.
so to summarise. keep things as they are.
what a waste or forum space this post was. I am ashamed.

i did have an android section on the winmo site but ive took it down until there is an actual need for it to be there
at the minute there ist a lot of non htc android device but they are coming so until that time there is no point in me havineg an android section thats gonna stay empty until there is interst
but when the devices come and you need a forum then hit me a line ill start putting android forum support again

Can any other OS be ported to S8500 easily?

I'm not a big fan of Bada, having it for a couple of months now.
I'm hoping 2.0 will be better, but by then can another OS be ported to S8500 with less fuss than Android (e.g. WM7, webOS etc.)

you are kidding right??
Android which is open source os couldn't be ported until now (god be with you oleg)
so what do you think about closed operating systems like Windows phone 7 or Web os
please people think before posting
if you don't understand what i mean until now
i'd just say no it is not possible or easy task at all

Ok, meego then

forget it man...android is the best thing we can get into our waves and i am not sure meego is any better in every way. I suggest close this thread

maybe maemo???

mylove90 said:
you are kidding right??
Android which is open source os couldn't be ported until now (god be with you oleg)
so what do you think about closed operating systems like Windows phone 7 or Web os
please people think before posting
if you don't understand what i mean until now
i'd just say no it is not possible or easy task at all
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please learn to read and to think

Hold your horses now! He is asking a very valid question. The biggest issue in porting another platform to the S8500 has been the boot loader which is being tackled, once we have a method of booting Android then other OSs especially ones using the Linux kernel (Such as Meego) shouldnt be as big of a task as porting Android is/was.
As for Maemo, Maemo is now Meego so it would be a little stupid to try porting Maemo now wouldn't it

...shouldnt be as big of a task as porting Android...
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You can erase whole OneNAND and make your "own OS".
So you had full Control of your Wave... only JTAG needed.
Bootloader is only 1 problem. All other problems are also BIG enough.
Please. How many handsets you know with more then 1 OS...
Most user can only power on or off their handsets...
So Porting OS to different handsets is NEVER easy.
Only posting funny Questions or funny answers are easy.
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So what? N900 is not Wave
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i know boy, but i would like to have meego or ubuntu in my wave
only posting that its posible

adfree said:
You can erase whole OneNAND and make your "own OS".
So you had full Control of your Wave... only JTAG needed.
Bootloader is only 1 problem. All other problems are also BIG enough.
Please. How many handsets you know with more then 1 OS...
Most user can only power on or off their handsets...
So Porting OS to different handsets is NEVER easy.
Only posting funny Questions or funny answers are easy.
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Sigh.... you seem to have gotten lost in translation. I was not claiming that Android was easy to port, I was Saying that once we have android ported other linux based OSs (such as meego) would be much easi*er* (not easy) to port over. Get it right before making statements like that in future. Also i can name quite a few, most of the WinMo 6 devices are able to boot android, the Galaxy S can boot ubuntu and android and meego, the pre can boot android, Web OS and the openmoko OS, the the HD7 can boot android and WP7, the HD2 can boot WP7 android, meego and WinMo 6.5 and the iPhone can boot iX, Android and IOS...... Shall i continue or shall i just take it my point is proven?

Sigh.... you seem to have gotten lost in translation.
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Maybe.
But easy, easily nor easier can describe any Porting project.
In my opinion:
Heavy, heavier, extreme...
According to Thread title...
Can any other OS be ported to S8500 easily?
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To many users not understand, how much hard work is in porting OS...
Best Regards

Is there a device that originally was not running Windows Mobile/Phone that got ported to do it?

As far as i know there was some success with the Desire HD having WP7 ported to it, however the Desire HD and the HD7 (Which is a WP7 device) have identical hardware.

sabianadmin said:
As far as i know there was some success with the Desire HD having WP7 ported to it, however the Desire HD and the HD7 (Which is a WP7 device) have identical hardware.
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Exactly what I meant. People should be realistic about the technical feasibility of some projects. The other part is community support - looking at how android porting project (being high demand from users) developed from a single man adventure to next-to-single I really doubt than any other OS would ever be ported to Wave. Anyone with belief of having enough tech know-how is welcome to begin and will receive support (from the few actually doing something) after showing good prognosis, but the chances of that ever happening are rather low.

I'm with sabianadmin on this topic: if oleg managed to create a fully functional linux kernel then why stop there? As ubuntu has ARM port it will be relatively easy to do that... Of course this will be just another toy to tinker with, but why not?

Almost everything can have an ARM port. However, I don't see anybody interested in doing the work volunteering own time for somebody to have a toy.
May we agree that next person to propose porting should be willing to devote own time rather than saying that someone should be able to do it?

mijoma said:
May we agree that next person to propose porting should be willing to devote own time rather than saying that someone should be able to do it?
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Sure I feel the bigest issue with porting is always the time: everyone has her/his own life, work, family and most of the projects are time consuming... I can't find time to finish my Bada SDK learning rss reader project not to say bigger projects.

mijoma said:
Almost everything can have an ARM port. However, I don't see anybody interested in doing the work volunteering own time for somebody to have a toy.
May we agree that next person to propose porting should be willing to devote own time rather than saying that someone should be able to do it?
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Once you get the linux kernel working and a boot loader booting then it becomes a simple task to get other Linux based OSs running on that device. You can just recycle the kernel from the Android port and thats about 80 percent of the work done. As for non linux based OSs you would have to start from scratch. All of the OSs i mentioned in this thread bar WP7 and WMO run on top of linux. This seems very obvious to me but clearly you fail to see that the difficult task such as building the kernel with the correct hardware support and finding a way to boot and initialize are either done or are being worked on and are close to completion.

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This seems very obvious to me but clearly you fail to see that the difficult task such as building the kernel with the correct hardware support and finding a way to boot and initialize are either done or are being worked on and are close to completion.
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No. I fail to see the people eager to do it. I am pretty aware of the status of the android project and feel annoyed at the number of people involved. I wouldn't say it's that close judging from the pace of progress.
Even what most would find impossible is doable with enough effort, so talking about feasibility and complexity of tasks is just a background where human resources with enough tech know-how is still the main subject.

Is XDA Portal all about Android???

Whats going on with XDA Portal??? All I can see there is news about Android apps, themes, rooted devices and nothing else more.
I simple dont get it, there is already a major WP7 breakthrough with a Mango 7713 Custom ROM for HTC WP7 First Generation from DFT talked all over the place but not a single word from XDA Portal, or did I missed something?
Is everyone here hypnotized with Android?
What do you WP7 fans have to say?
Thanks

dotcompt said:
Whats going on with XDA Portal??? All I can see there is news about Android apps, themes, rooted devices and nothing else more.
I simple dont get it, there is already a major WP7 breakthrough with a Mango 7713 Custom ROM for HTC WP7 First Generation from DFT talked all over the place but not a single word from XDA Portal, or did I missed something?
Is everyone here hypnotized with Android?
What do you WP7 fans have to say?
Thanks
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There was an article last week about a Mango custom ROM for the HD7, I think. In any case, it's based on the news writers and which forums they browse around in. I think only egzthunder1 is still a WM user.

i think you just have to wait. As more people turn to wp7 you'll hear more and more news about it. Also the reason android is mentioned so much is because most the phones run android and you also get a lot of news about the phone itself rather than the os.

cajunflavoredbob said:
There was an article last week about a Mango custom ROM for the HD7, I think. In any case, it's based on the news writers and which forums they browse around in. I think only egzthunder1 is still a WM user.
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That article was about HSPL/RSPL for HTC WP7 devices released by DFT and I am glad someone published it. Now we just need kitchen tools and start cooking it.
I really dont understand this lack of interest about WP7 as I have been playing with Mango for awhile and think that is so much better than Android.
As a side note this message was send from an Android device because my HD7 run out of battery. Android is fun too.
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XDA Portal News Writers Team works non stop to bring the best of what happens on our big site, as we are a small group it´s impossible for us to not miss some of the important stuff happening around and we need the help of our members to get to this future stories.
We try to cover all OS´s but you have to know that Android news are happening more often than WP7 or WM, however we have not any special preference as our duty is to cover the best of any OS, thanks for your tip, I will be writing about it soon.
And next time you want us to publish something please PM any of the NW´s Team.
Thanks,
P.S: Here some examples of all the WP7 articles we have recently published
dotcompt said:
Whats going on with XDA Portal??? All I can see there is news about Android apps, themes, rooted devices and nothing else more.
I simple dont get it, there is already a major WP7 breakthrough with a Mango 7713 Custom ROM for HTC WP7 First Generation from DFT talked all over the place but not a single word from XDA Portal, or did I missed something?
Is everyone here hypnotized with Android?
What do you WP7 fans have to say?
Thanks
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orb3000 said:
XDA Portal News Writers Team works non stop to bring the best of what happens on our big site, as we are a small group it´s impossible for us to not miss some of the important stuff happening around and we need the help of our members to get to this future stories.
We try to cover all OS´s but you have to know that Android news are happening more often than WP7 or WM, however we have not any special preference as our duty is to cover the best of any OS, thanks for your tip, I will be writing about it soon.
And next time you want us to publish something please PM any of the NW´s Team.
Thanks,
P.S: Here some examples of all the WP7 articles we have recently published
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I will and thanks for your reply. I am sure the team is doing their best but please try to focus on WP7 a little bit more.
Great news are coming soon to WP7 Chefs.
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Ill try and keep an eye on WP7 as well. Like Orb said, we go where the news

Indeed. As was expressed earlier, your feedback is definitely appreciated.
Though we generally try to have the Portal act as a microcosm for the site's activity as a whole, we could stand to have a little more WP7. As Orb3000 mentioned, please feel free to PM any of us in the News Writers user group if you see that we have missed anything important in the WinMo or WP7 worlds. We would be delighted to write about it.
Thank you, once again, for your feedback.

When I spot any WP7 developments I tip off Egz (or anyone else I can find online) - I'm claiming credit for the HSPL article tip .
I'm just busy IRL at the moment and not keeping up with the developments every day.
To be fair to the team, not much has happened in the WP7 until recently

And the show goes on and on and ...
This is a disgrace for WP7 members. We really have to dig if we want to find WP7 news.
Well we still have wpcentral.

I really hope WP7 can take off. I like Android but WP7 is prettier and snappier. If there comes a time when my must-have .apks have an equivalent or superior on WP7 I'll totally switch. Those must-have .apks used to be .cabs and that's what held me onto WinMo for so long. I was waiting forever for garmin to sell me an android app but instead they just bought navigon... Works for me...

Like i was stated a couple months ago, we go where the news is. I have not seen many suggested news in the lines of WinMo7 since this thread was originally started. Once again, if you see something news worthy, please let us know so we can get on top of it. We are a small group and do not always catch things immediately.

Bingo, what TRM said is absolutely true. On top of that, most writers use Android and unfortunately, it is very hard to keep tabs or even review apps when you don't even have a device to test things on.
I just got a WP7.5 device, so we may start seeing more of this in the Portal...

Coupled with the fact that the portal guys work really hard to find new, relevant content.
And in this day and age, that is primarily Android content, based on marketshare and usage levels.
Perhaps wp7 will pick up a bit, but it's still not gaining much ground

If you guys want something on the Portal, Suggest It

Or use the "Submit to Portal" button at the top right of every thread.

svetius said:
If you guys want something on the Portal, Suggest It
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Or use the "Submit to Portal" button at the top right of every thread.
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As much as I try it just dont get published.
Come on guys, as I said in a previous post I am sure you are doing your best but If you look to the Portal it is all about Android, there is nothing about windows phone.
Custom Roms, apps, tricks and device root and device reviews are only about Android. If there is a first custom rom for an Android device this is almost instantly reviewed, if there is a new outstanding app for Android it is posted immediatly, and so on...
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Android or Android Members, in fact I have an Asus device with Android too, but when was the last time something about windows phone was posted in the Portal?
We are a few Windows Phone fans here but we were Thousands back in the WM6.5 good old days so I think we deserve some attention too from the news writers.
Again, please dont take these personnal statements as an attack, that is not my intention. But, as a Windows Phone lover I feel sorry to see WP7 being left behind by this community that I love so much.
Thanks
dot

dotcompt said:
As much as I try it just dont get published.
Come on guys, as I said in a previous post I am sure you are doing your best but If you look to the Portal it is all about Android, there is nothing about windows phone.
Custom Roms, apps, tricks and device root and device reviews are only about Android. If there is a first custom rom for an Android device this is almost instantly reviewed, if there is a new outstanding app for Android it is posted immediatly, and so on...
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Android or Android Members, in fact I have an Asus device with Android too, but when was the last time something about windows phone was posted in the Portal?
We are a few Windows Phone fans here but we were Thousands back in the WM6.5 good old days so I think we deserve some attention too from the news writers.
Again, please dont take these personnal statements as an attack, that is not my intention. But, as a Windows Phone lover I feel sorry to see WP7 being left behind by this community that I love so much.
Thanks
dot
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I'll flag the portal admin to your post

dotcompt said:
As much as I try it just dont get published.
Come on guys, as I said in a previous post I am sure you are doing your best but If you look to the Portal it is all about Android, there is nothing about windows phone.
Custom Roms, apps, tricks and device root and device reviews are only about Android. If there is a first custom rom for an Android device this is almost instantly reviewed, if there is a new outstanding app for Android it is posted immediatly, and so on...
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Android or Android Members, in fact I have an Asus device with Android too, but when was the last time something about windows phone was posted in the Portal?
We are a few Windows Phone fans here but we were Thousands back in the WM6.5 good old days so I think we deserve some attention too from the news writers.
Again, please dont take these personnal statements as an attack, that is not my intention. But, as a Windows Phone lover I feel sorry to see WP7 being left behind by this community that I love so much.
Thanks
dot
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Perhaps people are betting on the wrong horse. It is predicted that there will be more windowsphone devices in 2016 then iphones. This is calculated by analists of IDC. Other analists confirms this evolution. The growth of android will stop soon too.
I think that the intrest in windowsphone will grow with the growing part of windowsphone in the market. So I am not worried at all. It will only be better.
Personally I don't like android at all (nor Iphone).
Link to chart of market share : http://www.standaard.be/mobilia/cnt/DMF20120611_020

Hi dotcompt,
Thanks for the heads up. You bring up a very valid point, and I will make an effort to address this. While we do indeed have more Android users here, and thus more Android development, WP7 is a fantastic OS that should not be ignored. I apologize for the inconvenience.
To alleviate it, would you be so kind as to PM me personally when you have content suggestions? I would gladly publish any story about WP7 as long as it's relevant development work. And on that note, thank you much for contributing to the community with your development efforts.
Will
dotcompt said:
As much as I try it just dont get published.
Come on guys, as I said in a previous post I am sure you are doing your best but If you look to the Portal it is all about Android, there is nothing about windows phone.
Custom Roms, apps, tricks and device root and device reviews are only about Android. If there is a first custom rom for an Android device this is almost instantly reviewed, if there is a new outstanding app for Android it is posted immediatly, and so on...
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Android or Android Members, in fact I have an Asus device with Android too, but when was the last time something about windows phone was posted in the Portal?
We are a few Windows Phone fans here but we were Thousands back in the WM6.5 good old days so I think we deserve some attention too from the news writers.
Again, please dont take these personnal statements as an attack, that is not my intention. But, as a Windows Phone lover I feel sorry to see WP7 being left behind by this community that I love so much.
Thanks
dot
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[Q] Windows 8 forum should be divided into x86/64 and RT for ARM

Otherwise we will get big mess here in few months.
Since problems and solution will be different for both systems it will be hard to find correct information.
What do you think?

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Otherwise we will get big mess here in few months.
Since problems and solution will be different for both systems it will be hard to find correct information.
What do you think?
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I agree. At the moment I have to comb through the comments to find which o/s they relate to.

The Windows (Win8 + RT) forums don't have much traffic. Splitting into smaller forums will make it worse, as traffic will be further chopped up, and forums need a certain traffic volume to be self-sustainable. People are more likely to participate--as I'm responding to you right now--when there are postings to reply to, even if it isn't wholly on-topic.
On/off-topic is a means to an end, the end being to allow users to easily find the info they're looking for. That doesn't happen if there's no info (no traffic) to speak of. If traffic were high, then segregration is desirable. If it's a ghost town, then consolidation is better, just to get more people talking and participating.
Anyway, it's a bit of a moot point, because even outside of here, there's not much happening for Metro.
Aside: I applaud what netham45 and GoodDayToDie are doing on the RT dev front. It's what XDA is about. But from the larger view, I don't see any momentum for Metro. As it is now, it's not suitable to host desktop-type software (read: rich productivity applications), and MS in all its wisdom has locked down the platform ala Apple, driving away garage devs when it needs them the most. Why would devs bother, when Win8/RT devices are expensive, the platform is locked down, and there's no market demand?
So, I wonder when you mention "in a few months." Hardware availability will get better, and prices will (slowly) drop, but I don't see a large surge to adopt Win8 or RT--especially RT. It'll still be a slow slog, like what we've seen over the holidays.
I'm watching Surface Pro with interest. It's basically the flagship for the whole Win8 effort. A lot of hype and hope are bestowed upon it. I'm not optimistic that people will shell out $1K for it, when ultrabooks as a category has largely failed at the same price point for the last two years. Let's see how it fares.

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For now wouldn't it be sufficient to prefix posts with either "X86" or "RT" - then it might be easier to find those of interest to the person searching for info - also easier to search. This was done in many of the Android dev forums that I participate in and it helped a lot.
Just my humble thought

I wouldn't mind if there was just one more forum added for Windows RT development.
The 'Surface RT' subforum should be renamed to 'Windows RT Devices', too.

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For now wouldn't it be sufficient to prefix posts with either "X86" or "RT" - then it might be easier to find those of interest to the person searching for info - also easier to search. This was done in many of the Android dev forums that I participate in and it helped a lot.
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This would definitely help

the problem with those headers is that people don't use them or forget what they are supposed to use or just make up new ones which confuses the hell out of everyone
a much better idea is to tag your threads with key words that are relevant
ill start adding tags to popular existing threads if it helps but we should all get in to the habit of doing it to start with
with x64 just an extension of x86 id propose a simple x86 or ARM tag to id posts, like ive done to this one

We all need to band together on this

The nvidia shield tv, the most powerful android device available, which has root, twrp, and custom roms available, along with tons of support keeps failing to get its own proper forum. The discussion page we currently have is unacceptable. There is tons of people doing development on other sites as well that have no proper place to post it. Please everyone, take a few minutes a day, and request that we get a proper forum added for this device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354

I agree. Thank you for taking the time to remind us about this.

More than anything, this device is missing developer support. It seems that a lot of people didnt want to see this happen. Google for one, with the restrictive OS, how easy it could have been to include an option to switch between regular Android and the mode thats been stripped of or had so many classic Android functions hidden. It blows my mind the hdmi blocks, drm, and other capabilities that get removed for the sole purpose of corporate greed. I know I'm not supposed to rant here, so consider this a rally to Nvidia TV owners to let others know how awesome of a device this could be and so hopefully the user/developer base can grow and get some proper treatment from the cable companies and others who refuse to support powerful devices like this

You guys ha e to remember 2 things
1. We are mainly a mobile device forum.
2. It would not take much for a modded TV to be blocked.
Also a forum will not bring developers. People develop for devices they get and many have no interest in android TV and see them like 3d screens. A fad that will fade away after some time.

zelendel said:
You guys ha e to remember 2 things
1. We are mainly a mobile device forum.
2. It would not take much for a modded TV to be blocked.
Also a forum will not bring developers. People develop for devices they get and many have no interest in android TV and see them like 3d screens. A fad that will fade away after some time.
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Why do other Android TV devices have a proper forum then? Maybe devs would take the device seriously, if XDA took the device seriously. I would understand that argument if it wasn't proven to be untrue with the various other forums that have been created for other tv boxes.
- Nexus Player (Android TV)
- Amazon Fire TV (Fire OS - Even more limited than Android TV)
- Mad Catz Mojo
- Ouya
Just to name a few...
I'm not trying to start a problem. It just seems like we're presented with a different argument ever other day stating why the device doesn't have or deserve a proper forum. Not too long ago, the argument was the lack of interest. Then it was the lack of development, even though we currently have custom AOSP and CyanogenMod ports, Root, TWRP and Ubuntu.
If you search for the device in the device search, you will find not one, but two separate "places" to create topics for this device. One isn't a forum. It's just a list of threads that use the shield-tv tag. If a thread is created here, it will actually post in the Android Development and Hacking > Miscellaneous Android Development forum.
The other is a sub-forum of Android TV and Stick Computers. It isn't a proper forum and it is also buried. The device isn't listed in devdb, so there's no way to add projects.
There is active interest in the device and there are a ton of users. At the moment we're using nVidia's website/forums, but we'd prefer to use XDA. Why not give in to demand? You could make a lot of XDA users happy.

zelendel said:
You guys ha e to remember 2 things
1. We are mainly a mobile device forum.
2. It would not take much for a modded TV to be blocked.
Also a forum will not bring developers. People develop for devices they get and many have no interest in android TV and see them like 3d screens. A fad that will fade away after some time.
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The joke is on you and I don't care that my response will get on your nerves. You were better off keeping it hush hush than to fail at manipulative excuses.

zelendel said:
You guys ha e to remember 2 things
1. We are mainly a mobile device forum.
2. It would not take much for a modded TV to be blocked.
Also a forum will not bring developers. People develop for devices they get and many have no interest in android TV and see them like 3d screens. A fad that will fade away after some time.
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@ 1. So just because the shield is tied to a wallsocket and uses an external screen it is not entitled to a forum? That's a rather peculiar argument....?
@ 2. I don't think you understand the Nvidia Shield Android TV, it is just as moddable as any Android device...
And last but certainly not least you claim people don't have interest while we have proved this by the community development for the device so far. BTW the interest in the device might be bigger than you think. For instance on the Nvidia forums there are already over 10k comments in the shield tv subsection, this is over 25% of the shield portable's total comments and over 20% of the shield tablet's total comment. Considering the device is only available for a short period and is only available in the US, this means public interest is huge!
So in other words, please come up with better arguments or just add one device forum, how much harm can it possibly do?

That would be a game changer for this thing.... ... I'm in!!!!!!!!!!

Look guys. I'm just offering up ideas. The mods don't add the forums the admins do. You have asked in to proper forum and now it's up to them. They may or may not decide to give it a forum. Why or why not is their choice.
As for your statements. Just ask Linus what he thinks of Nvidia? Not the best to work with on an open source project.
The 10k posts? While might seem alot is not a whole lot on a site that sees that many every few hours.
If interest is deemed bug enough then it will get a forum. If not then it won't. No point in making thread after thread about it really.

didn't know..
XDA is some kind of mafia... I thought it's free and open, really sad.

They have proper forums for the Moto 360! A watch forum??? Give me a break. Android wear is even more restrictive then Android TV!
I think XDA admins have a bug up there arse about Nvidia. Pure and simple. If it was AMD they would already have everything.
Stop defending them.

I too, would like to register my interest for such a forum.

While I am a newcomer, I would like to register my support for this movement too. It would be nice to have singular outlet to use.

zizika said:
XDA is some kind of mafia... I thought it's free and open, really sad.
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XDA is a privately owned, membership based site.... Just to correct you.
And the Admin here decide things like forum sections.
Perhaps they'll add a full section, perhaps not. Getting angry about it isn't going to help at all.
As said, if developers are actually holding back work because of a lack of a full forum, they are only making you guys suffer. Seems a little backwards.
Let's remain respectful everyone, please.
Darth
Forum Moderator

The Nexus Q has it's own forum here and NOT the Nvidia Shield Console? That's just stupid.

zelendel said:
Look guys. I'm just offering up ideas. The mods don't add the forums the admins do. You have asked in to proper forum and now it's up to them. They may or may not decide to give it a forum. Why or why not is their choice.
As for your statements. Just ask Linus what he thinks of Nvidia? Not the best to work with on an open source project.
The 10k posts? While might seem alot is not a whole lot on a site that sees that many every few hours.
If interest is deemed bug enough then it will get a forum. If not then it won't. No point in making thread after thread about it really.
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I knew somebody was gonna say something like this. Linus Torvalds made that comment about Nvidia years ago while thwy were developing software for proprietary devices. Nvidia has already made it known how thwy feel about their Android devices. "Once you buy it its yours" and all the drivers and images are provided on their developer website so.... I still manage to find what Im looking for anyway so I can really not care very much less but this really seems like a major shrug off for some ridiculous and arbitrary reasons. Im surprised

ElwOOd_CbGp said:
I knew somebody was gonna say something like this. Linus Torvalds made that comment about Nvidia years ago while thwy were developing proprietary processors. Nvidia has already made it known how thwy feel about their Android devices. "Once you buy it its yours". I still manage to find what Im looking for anyway so I can really not care very much less but this really seems like a shrug off for some ridiculous and arbitrary reasons and Im surprised
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And it still holds true. Due to lack of any proper documentation it is really difficult to develop for these devices. Why do you think only a few even use their stuff and they had to look at other options. Yeah it's users. Do what you will with it. Doesn't mean they will help you along with it.

zelendel said:
And it still holds true. Due to lack of any proper documentation it is really difficult to develop for these devices. Why do you think only a few even use their stuff and they had to look at other options. Yeah it's users. Do what you will with it. Doesn't mean they will help you along with it.
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All the more reason for hackers to teach them a lesson? How many manufacturers post steps to unlock bootloader on their own website and encourage tinkering with their ROMs making most all source code available? Sounds more like someone has an axe to grind and doesn't care how juvenile it may look. I personally can't wait for more ROMs to get released (including CMs) while making those who want to curb down the development, look foolish. I am half surprised discussion about evil nVidia is not banned already
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loonix said:
All the more reason for hackers to teach them a lesson? How many manufacturers post steps to unlock bootloader on their own website and encourage tinkering with their ROMs making most all source code available? Sounds more like someone has an axe to grind and doesn't care how juvenile it may look. I personally can't wait for more ROMs to get released (including CMs) while making those who want to curb down the development, look foolish. I am half surprised discussion about evil nVidia is not banned already
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More then you think. Why do you think Qualcomm devices are so popular among modders? Because there is all the proper documentation for working with the chip. Same reason that mediatech and exynos chip are not popular. As for unlocking the bootloader. Heck most oem show you how to do it.
As for CM. I would wish that on my worst enemy.
Now if people want to develop for it then do it. Having a forum or not will not bring more or less development.

I'm amazed that this is even an argument. A forum that generates revenues from page views doesn't want its users to have a place to view one of it's valued devices. Baffling really. Someone definitely is bitter about something. What harm is there in creating a section?