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[Q] Neo - Question about camera compression

I'm thinking to buy a Neo this week and it will be my first Android phone. In a few reviews I've seen some complaints about the .jpg's being over compressed using the stock camera app. If you use a different camera app are you able to set it for less compression and better pictures?

Hi mattarse
The jpg compression is fine as it is, I believe the discussion on the compression has been started due to very high expectations of the camera in the new xperia phones. The camera IS very good I think considering it is a mobile phone with a very small camera sensor.
Pictures will when you magnify them on your pc never look as good as a dslr or newer compact camera with bigger sensors and better optics. This is probable what started the jpg compression discussion as it would have been nice to just change the jpg compression level and have super sharp pictures even when you zoom in.
The Camera Advance app will give you the option to change the compression but my own tests show no visual difference from the xperia camera app and the picture from camera advance. File size differences was 1MB from xperia camera and 2.2MB from camera advance app.
Camera360 Ultimate will give pictures at the same sizes as the xperia camera app even when you select the finest compression level.
I personally prefer to use the xperia camera app compared to camera360 and camera advance.
I have allways enjoyed photography and normally use a dslr. This is actually the first mobile phone where I have started to use the camera as I have allways disliked the picture quality from my older mobiles. It is amazing to see pictures at iso 1600-2000 being useable from this small camera, the low light performance is very good and the dynamic range under sunlight is also very good.
I have the xperia arc and not neo, but I belive the camera is the same on both mobiles. Have seen some samples from neo where it actually looks like it is producing better pictures, could be due to different optics in the slightly bigger mobile or just differences in firmware.

Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.

valqka said:
Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.
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I do believe the exmoor sensor has improved low light performance compared to a regular mobile camera sensor. But this is still only a small camera and even my dslr would struggle indoor with only artificial lighting unless flash is added.
Have only shot a couple of low light pictures with my arc both outside and inside and agree that pictures especially at iso1600-2000 contain a larger amount of noise. I would say the pictures are very good compared to my old mobile which was useless in low light and good compared to my compact camera.
You can change the scene mode to make the xperia use slower shutter speeds and lower iso, that will give you some very nice scenery shots in low light with little noise. I have to my surprised shot a few sharp fotos at 1/4 shutter speed in low light, that would not be possible without fixed mounting on my dslr or an extremely steady hand.
You will ever only be able to archive good low light pictures with expensive slr and optics. One thing I have learned using slr is that light is king, you can not get enough light if you want sharp, good looking, strong colors etc.
Now you got me interested in doing some tests to compare the low light performance with my dslr and compact camera

Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace

valqka said:
Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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That would have been a nice picture, but it do sounds like a challenging picture with the reflecting. Remember to record movies of your baby in the bathing tub. My daughters now 3 og 5 years really enjoy looking at short movie clips of them as babies splashing in their bathing tub
(they love playing games on the xperia, mostly drawing apps )
What I have seen so far is that the xperia tend to prefer low shutter speeds in low light situations. I still only have a handfull of shots to base my conclusions but with flash on it was using 1/25 sec shutter. This is too slow taking pictures of moving kids, you will need 1/60 or even 1/120 which is normally only available on slr's. Without flash it has been 1/8 and high iso, must admit it was under circumstances I would never have used my dslr without flash and maybe a bit unfair to judge the xperias camera capabilities.
I agree that the wrong color balance will totally screw up the pictures, have you tried setting the white balance manually in the camera? A setting I have not yet changed on my xperia and are not aware what options are available.

I have now made some quick comparisons of my three cameraes under low light conditions.
Might upload test pictures later when I have the time, for now you will have to trust me
Camera 1. Xperia Arc 8MegaPixel
Camera 2. Olympus u Tough 12MegaPixel
Camera 3. Konica Minolta 5D dslr 6MegaPixel
Test 1 without flash
Xperia 1. Kamera advance app with lowest compression, no flash
ISO: 1000
Exposure: 1/8
Olympus 2. Default settings with disable flash
ISO: 400
Exposure: 1/4
KM 5D 3. Full auto, no flash
Could not focus, too little light, camera suggested 3-4 sec shutter speed
(was using OEM lense with bad aperture which gave it problems focussing, could have used a better lense but decided to use OEM lense to keep the comparisons fairly)
Results:
Olympus had only a tiny bit more details and allot more noise, picture was looking very bad up close.
Xperia Arc, even at iso 1000 the noise was lower than my Olympus and the picture looked more clean with nicer colors. I definitely prefered the Xperia result.
The olympus will not go lower than 1/4 shutter speed and iso 400. I selected night scenery on the Arc and got a picture with iso 160 and shutterspeed 1/2. This picture had even less noise but was slightly blurred at 1/2, need a more steady hand but still a very useable result.
My DSLR would not take a picture without focus.
Winner:
Xperia Arc, higher shutter speeds and a cleaner picture with less noise. I was surprised to see the loss of details on my 12MP Olympus at ISO 400 compared to the Xperia Arc.
Test 2
With Flash:
Xperia 1. ISO 400, shutter 1/24
Olympus 2. ISO 100, shutter 1/30
KM 5D 3. ISO 100, shutter 1/60
Result:
The Olympus with flash and ISO 100 gave a sharp, low noise picture and the 12MP provided better details than the xperia could show. The flash on the xperia is not very strong and it was not possible for me to configure it to use lower ISO than 400. The xperia arc picture did give a nice result with low noise.
The 6MP DSLR with flash give the same amount of details as the 12MP Olympus, my old DSLR is still going strong and a better lense will give an even sharper picture
Winner:
KonicaMinolta 5D wins, followed by Olympus. Xperia Arc still gave a nice result but with less details and more noise than the other two devices.
One last test at a really dark area without flash also proved xperia arc to be the winner. My Olympus would not go lower than 1/4 iso400 while xperia used 1/8 iso2000. The motive was only visible on xperia arc and even a fairly noisy picture at iso2000 is better than no picture at all
My own conclusion is that the xperia arc/neo is really good at low light performance and even outperforms many compact cameras, but the the weak flash give some serious limitations. The low shutter speeds will probably also be an issue taking pictures of moving motives in low light.
(did shoot a couple of shoots with sony camera app and did not notice any difference from Camera Advance, I used the 3PP camera to use as little jpg compression as possible but I doubt the pictures visually differ much)
It would be interesting to do some tests during daylight as well, it will not benefit from the improved low light performance compared to other camera sensors. I am curious to see how the dynamic range of this sensor is, can it compare to my Olympus compact camera then it would be a serious contender as my primary point and shoot camera as long as flash is not needed.

Thanks forthe replies - I'm not expecting amazing things from camera on a phone Just want to make sure that software isn't unnecessarily hindering the hardware.
It also looks like it will be a couple of weeks before I pick one up...Unless i opt for something else in that time, but for a smallish screen size Android phone this currently looks the best. I do wish it had gorilla glass - but you can't have it all
Now I've found a confusing thread about in line remotes on the headphones that I need to figure out (yes I do seem to put way too much thought into these things!).

valqka said:
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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I think the yellow green tint you're seeing will be from the lights in the room - you see this on most cameras of any quality, if you have a white balance setting you should have one for indoor/halogen lights. It's also normally easy to fix in Photoshop.

Arc S has a horrible camera quality

Hello, i bought a new Arc S. I found, that camera produces really low quality pictures. Is there any way to improve compression? I heard, that CM has a improved quality camera.
Thank you

Hello there
Unfortunately, there is currently no option available to improve the crappy quality of the camera output (compression).
Neither CM7 nor MIUI have any significant improvement in this area.

Are you sure you bought an arc because my arc takes good pics but it isn't an arc s but I find this hard to believe maybe your only taking pictures in the dark ?

Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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I've bought an Xperia Arc S too about a month ago, but in my opinion the camera is fantastic! Maybe you have to set the camera in high quality. My camera was also standard at 2 MP 16:9. Now I'm using 6 MP 16:9 and the pictures are great, even in the dark.

septix said:
Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?

rioka said:
Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?
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I'd recommend 6 MP, because it has a 16:9 instead of a 4:3 format.

Mine works awesome with 8MP...
Could you post a pic made by your cam?
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I would also recommend you post the picture you have taken, x10 and arc are best known as their 8M camera, they should be able to take impressive picture compared to all the phone available back then and even able to compete among all phones on the market to date
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.

I don't say my arc is perfect but It's not really that bad in taking picture .
I'm ok with it ...
Using 6MP 16:9,
maybe Your lens is dirty ! clean it if it's needed.

arc is one of the best camera phones out there.if not the best.

Best camera 2011/2012, it won that price
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The camera is great - no 2 opinions about that.
But after I downgraded from .62 to .42 with data&system wipe, because of the root, my phone started to take really low quality pics in low light - identical conditions, the same camera settings, but now pics appear with a great level of noise, nomatter how I adjust the settings. On videos also. This is my second time downgrading from 62, the first time without wipe - everything was OK, but now I think smthing must have gone wrong - lots of noise and heavy purple dots...
Any ideas how to fix that, cause I really miss the good low light pics - one of the reasons I bought it.

iridaki said:
I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Maybe some users are expecting a miracle out of arc's camera (e.g. comparing the pictures against DSLRs' large sensor and lens)
Its great for casual shots and videos imo.
It even won an EISA award.

The camera is great, the software is horrible. MIUI and CM7 support to change the jpg compression, which the stock ROM doesn't. The jpg compression sadly ****s up everything and destroys the overall quality of the shots.

I find the quality of the arc's shots to be great, I don't understand why so many people complain. Yes the output file is pretty small for an 8MP resolution photo because its been compressed to ****, but I don't really notice this, even when plugging into my 42" TV it still looks great (until you start to zoom in) Take a range of shots, when shooting in darkness you will find a decent amount of noise but this is just the Exmor-r working wonders - without it, you'd find you'd just have a very dark picture.

Like many people already said, I'm totally happy with the picture's quality of my ARC, especially on 6MP 16:9. I love the colors, the tones, the clarity.. I'm sure that Sony (still SE for me ) will improve a little about JPEG compression in next ICS release..

iridaki said:
I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Exactly. Only my old Nokia N95 comes close, but that also was a little sony carl zeiss optic if i recall correctly.

Arc S camera is crappy.
I know it, because i used a Samsung mobile for a long time before Arc S, to take more than 4K pcs photos, so i can compare them.
It makes a lot of color noise under low light conditions of scenes.
Even a bit better when the light is enough, but then it makes white burned photos
The objective is distorted (fish eye aka barell), and also makes color noises in its corners.
The video record of this mobile is blurred, shaked, in low light condition makes color noises too.
You have to use Noiseware, or similar software to remove unwanted color noises from photos which are dotted by Xperia Arc /s
I don't know what is the meaning of the Exmore r, because i can't find a reason, maybe it' s only a commercial thingy
Sorry for my bad english.

Xperia ZL Vs Galaxy S4 (Camera & other Aspects)

Sony is famous for their Camera,We all know about the info that Sony is Selling their Camera's Sensor
to many other Smartphone manufacturer but this info is not from A Reliable sources that's why Leave it as it is.
I know there are Some thread on Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4,but the Difference between Xperia Z/ZL Camera's is
Really Shocking Because Xperia Z or ZL are using Same internal Camera but are Way too Different Result of Camera
from Each other I'm not talking about Design,I'm talking about Hardware.That's the Main Reason to Begin A Separate Thread for Xperia ZL vs Galaxy S4.
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Xperia Zl Dimensions & Weight
5.18 x 2.75 x 0.39 inches (131.6 x 69.8 x 9.8 mm) - 151gram - 2370mAh Battery
Galaxy S4 Dimensions & weight
5.38 x 2.75 x 0.31 inches (136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm) 130gram -2600mAh Battery
Xperia ZL Cons and Pros
5" 16M-color 1080p TFT capacitive touchscreen of 441ppi, Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
None User-replaceable battery
Clean and Smooth Nearly Stock Android Software
No Bloatware Such as in Galaxy S4
Most Compact Smartphone Up-to Date
Widely Support of ROMs
Uninspiring camera performance
13 MP autofocus camera with LED flash and geotagging, HDR
1080p video recording @ 30fps with HDR mode, continuous autofocus and stereo sound
Notably thicker than Xperia Z and Galaxy S4
Dubious back panel build quality and aesthetics
Best Saturated Picture & Videos Quality when Bravia engine 2 Kicks in or ON
Built in Fm Radio
On Screen Soft Keys ( Its Good but The Soft Keys Snatch Some screen from 5" )
Galaxy S4 Cons and Pros
5" 16M-color 1080p Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with Gorilla Glass 3
User-replaceable battery
Processor & Benchmarks are much Powerful as Compare to Xperia ZL
Design is a bit played out by now
Thinner than Xperia ZL
Design is a bit played out by now
Hyperglaze finish doesn't feel as premium as aluminum on HTC One or glass on Xperia Z
No FM radio
Video recording is slightly worse than on the Galaxy S III; FOV in video is pretty narrow
Shared camera interface makes framing tricky
230mAh More Battery Power than Xperia ZL
21grams Lighter than Xperia ZL
Xperia ZL, S4 and Some Other Smartphones Display Test Report GSMarena
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Xperia ZL Loudspeaker Test & Call Quality
Call Quality is good on Xperia ZL and loudspeaker too
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Here we Compare about Xperia ZL and Galaxy S4 Camera.
The Bigger the Mega Pixels does not mean the Better Image, So we see Galaxy S4 & Xperia ZL Both are Having 13MP Rear Camera But Sensor Size Have Huge impact on Picture Quality.
So larger sensors can help you capture better quality images, but they bring with them a number of other characteristics, some good and some bad. The first, and most obvious impact of a bigger camera sensor is that of size; not only will the sensor take up more room in your device, but it
will also need a bigger lens to cast an image over it.
As sensor technology improves, we're seeing much better performance out of smaller sensors, but bigger will always be better.
So How Xperia Zl and Galaxy S4 Stand out for their Camera's Sensors and Video Quality.
Sony Xperia ZL Camera Sensor Size
Samsung Galaxy S4 Camera Sensor Size
Sony Xperia Z Camera Sensor Size
Xperia ZL vs Galaxy S4 Full HD Camera video Test
Samsung Galaxy S4 , HTC One & Sony Xperia Z Full HD in low light Test
Samsung Galaxy S3 vs Galaxy S4 HD Camera Test
As in above Xperia Z Camcoder Quality is looking Good as Compare to Xperia ZL and Galaxy S4 & the sensor on Xperia Z is looking Small To Compare with Galaxy S4 and Xperia Zl But in Result Xperia Z Beats both of them and Htc one too.But Samsung Galaxy S4 Beats the Xperia Zl Camcoder.Samsung Galaxy S4 video Quality is Not Good than Galaxy S3 according to Gsmarena and in above Video Comparison.
Guys what do you think,Why is this Difference happens in Z/Zl Camera, Some sort of Software Fault, Image Stabilization on ZL Not working properly OR ZL Camera Really Suck???
Note : I add some more but later............

i think this is software for camera, super auto of stock is not good,you must setting manual , if you want to capture a good picture

the sensors on all the z phones/tablets are exactly the same size, aperture, etc....
the differences you are seeing are probably coming from the smart auto, and or your own personal preferences
you want to take a good photo? use normal mode and pick the correct settings for the shot, like you would with a real camera

It seems like all the comparisons are based on using the standard stock roms and camera apps.
What would happen if I use an alternative camera app, such as Camera Zoom fx, within the stock rom, or installed a CM based rom and used the standard CM/Google camera app - would that then even the playing field between the phones in terms of OEM software and processing being bypassed and then it would just be up to the hardware differences between the phones?

ymmp said:
It seems like all the comparisons are based on using the standard stock roms and camera apps.
What would happen if I use an alternative camera app, such as Camera Zoom fx, within the stock rom, or installed a CM based rom and used the standard CM/Google camera app - would that then even the playing field between the phones in terms of OEM software and processing being bypassed and then it would just be up to the hardware differences between the phones?
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No camera settings are deeper than camera app settings e.g. defined in xmls etc etc.

DoubleYouPee said:
No camera settings are deeper than camera app settings e.g. defined in xmls etc etc.
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yeah,they differ in xmls,those algorythms they put.. anyways as mentioned from op sony supplies there sensors to other smartphone makers. like in the S4 and LG,even the iphones and oppo... as said above its in the xmls`s...

Camera Pictures Sample
Firstly Some people said the Sony using Compression on their Smartphones Camera, that's the reason the Picture Quality is bad but its not issue with size compression at all,
Following a series of powerful smartphone cameras undergoing trials conducted by tech site Gizmodo. The contestants are the Samsung Galaxy S4, Sony Xperia ZL, HTC, Nokia Lumia 920 and the iPhone 5.
Source: runtechno & Gizmodo
Close-up at noon
Low light without flash
Low-light with flash
Scenery in daylight
Conclusion
Lets it's upon you Guys to decide which one is Best?????​

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Firstly Some people said the Sony using Compression on their Smartphones Camera, that's the reason the Picture Quality is bad but its not issue with size compression at all,
Following a series of powerful smartphone cameras undergoing trials conducted by tech site Gizmodo. The contestants are the Samsung Galaxy S4, Sony Xperia ZL, HTC, Nokia Lumia 920 and the iPhone 5.
Source: runtechno & Gizmodo
Close-up at noon
Low light without flash
Low-light with flash
Scenery in daylight
Conclusion
Lets it's upon you Guys to decide which one is Best?????​
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TBH all of the camera reviews I read are useless if they all used superior auto with old fw

I like this comparison
thnx

DoubleYouPee said:
TBH all of the camera reviews I read are useless if they all used superior auto with old fw
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hmmmmmmmm,
did you post your cam result????

lol really the camera of xperia ZL sucks, the camera of xperia ion is better than s4, zl, so far

I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
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Rumman Shaikh said:
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
If you feel that I've helped you in anyway, please hit the thank button
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Camera FV-5 is better than cyber shot camera ? because the best cam of sony is cyber shot

Rumman Shaikh said:
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
If you feel that I've helped you in anyway, please hit the thank button
Sent from my C6502 using Tapatalk 4
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Oh wow, I just did that and holy crap does that app make great pics with those settings! I still love the ZL's stock camera, but damn.
I wish the stock app would allow us to take png pics.

Hmm thanks for this, the results are interesting... The lumia 920 is the best in the first shot, then its mixed thereafter. The Xperia ZL seems to be better on the low light with flash option, that one is actually a really good quality photo with no dodgey colours, the flash is hardly noticeable. However for some of the others taken with the XL it looks like it has problems with contrast and exposure. Though on the last image, though dark, is almost more accurate to what the scene was actually like, slightly under exposed perhaps, where as most of the others look over exposed, a bit or a lot.
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iso settings and fv5
cameta fv 5 can't change the iso settings in my z1, how can i change it.

Image Quality?

Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.

X0LARIUM said:
Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.
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I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.

jaybles said:
I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.
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Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).

X0LARIUM said:
Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).
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The speed of the phone has nothing to do with the image quality of the camera....
Like jaybles, I also struggle with the camera quality and are having the same red, purple noisy tint in very Low Light in Manual Mode, but also it can be a struggle to take steady shots in Manual Mode in daylight.. However, thanks to the Newer updated imaging algorithm found in the XZ1 and XZP which from what Ive read, SONY have used in the XA1U... it functions really great in Auto Mode, so SONY phones can now be used as great Point and Shoots.. and we no longer have to struggle anymore with ISO, WB and Metreing.
Ive found that by setting the camera to 12MPX in Manual Mode... gives great shots... 20 and 23MPx modes give camera shake and poor image quality in Manual Mode..

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia XA2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

ugly, very ugly

Extremely difficult to get a decently sharp picture while holding the device in your hands.
Expect blurry details at any resolution and in any shooting mode.
You'll be better off taking screenshots instead of real photos; before shooting, the preview looks really crisp and sharp. You might get better results with better postprocessing of the images, like with a different camera app (?) or with a non-Sony ROM. Not exactly sure what can be done here.

aeolist said:
Extremely difficult to get a decently sharp picture while holding the device in your hands.
Expect blurry details at any resolution and in any shooting mode.
You'll be better off taking screenshots instead of real photos; before shooting, the preview looks really crisp and sharp. You might get better results with better postprocessing of the images, like with a different camera app (?) or with a non-Sony ROM. Not exactly sure what can be done here.
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It's actually not that difficult, but you need to practice a little bit. I have already taken quite a lot of nice pics with my Xperia.
Only night photos are not so good, or rather... mixed bag. Different result each time.
And different camera app is not a solution, I've tried already a lot of them and it seems that none of them can work correctly (a lot of noise in the photos, even with good light) - looks like Sony has changed camera libraries somehow and third party apps don't know how to use them. So it's just stock camera and... well, that's it.

I've put already this information in other thread, but latest software upgrade (50.1.A.13.83) is a real gamechanger. Sony has really improved image processing. Impressive ! Now photos are much, much better. And the HDR mode in Manual camera section does really great job.

emcom said:
I've put already this information in other thread, but latest software upgrade (50.1.A.13.83) is a real gamechanger. Sony has really improved image processing. Impressive ! Now photos are much, much better. And the HDR mode in Manual camera section does really great job.
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Yes, it's much better now (manual + HDR). Superior mode still not ok. But manual + HDR.
But for some reason update no available for my XA2 dual phone, installed via flashtool + XperiFirm

Is there a "touch to focus" function like the Google camera has? I think that's the feature I miss the most from my nexus. I actually don't know how to get the camera to focus at all!

メジロ said:
Is there a "touch to focus" function like the Google camera has? I think that's the feature I miss the most from my nexus. I actually don't know how to get the camera to focus at all!
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Hello,
Camera Settings -> Metering -> Touch
or
Enable "Object tracking" then touch to thing what you want to shoot.

Focus mode is not good. unfortunately It's worse than my Mom's Phone which Xiaomi Redmi 6A is. video quality is ok but at low light it has insane noise.like ISO 3200. Selfie is ok but don't expect too much.
at low light with auto flash on , it can take a good image but you need to wait 2 or 3 sec.

Photo quality is the worst thing, it is so bad. Only in daylight picture is good, one of them, about in 10-15 shots

gioyocho said:
Photo quality is the worst thing, it is so bad. Only in daylight picture is good, one of them, about in 10-15 shots
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Photo quality may not be so good but your house must make more than up for it! Dream location, it looks like to me. Congrats.

here is my photo serial ...