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So, what's the verdict. Did Big Red kick us to the curb?

We've been EOL for a few months but they did say the GB update would be coming... we saw that early build leak and then nothing.
Is the Droid Incredible the new Droid Eris?
I was hoping for some kind of update before they start releasing those fancy new Windows Phones and I bid adieu to Android. I'm thinking of just finally breaking down and rooting.
Where is the easiest, most straight forward instructions on how to root this puppy. A few ROMS look nice... I figure I might as well try them out.

http://unrevoked.com/ unrevoked is a one click solution for root. Just root. Try out some roms, make a backup of your stock rom if you're unhappy.

Root is the best thing you can ever do to this phone.
-Sent from my Droid Incredible-

Whether Big Red "kicked us out," I don't know, and honestly don't care because the Devs here "picked us up."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=638

I've been runnin GB for almost a full year now XP
CM7 or MIUI .... all the time

Yeah. Never rely on a big company to provide timley, efficent, bloat free updates like xda.
ADR6300

It's Verizon people. If we ***** at HTC enough they'll cave but I can't write emails for everyone.
Dear XXXXXXXXX,
We are more than happy to be able to provide some clarity to the situation at hand.
Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available. Unfortunately, there is no estimated time for availability of any ROM update. Please check the HTC America website for any software updates that may be released, http://www.htc.com/us. Just click on the support link then choose your device.
XXXXXXX, we do apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number.
Sincerely,
Samantha

I only care because of source code & this is Verizon telling HTC not to update. It's fairly obvious that HTC had intentions of continued support.

Verizon has great coverage, but damn they suck at updates

Only thing we need is the damn kernel!
DINC+XDA=Crack

davwman said:
Only thing we need is the damn kernel!
DINC+XDA=Crack
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This.
I know it can be hard for people to justify taking 5 minutes to write an email they think is pointless but I would like to encourage you all to. Verizon will not change their mind but maybe we can get HTC to continue support on their site. Gingerbread won't be a big deal I know but I'm worried about ice cream sandwich & compatibility with our current resources.
You can contact HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
They got back to me in 2 days & I'm trying to keep the dialog open.

^^^Ill spam their mailbox everyday! any advice as to what to write?
DINC+XDA=Crack

davwman said:
^^^Ill spam their mailbox everyday! any advice as to what to write?
DINC+XDA=Crack
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I dunno. I was polite but informed. I simply said that I knew they had plans for it & that older or similar hardware (desire, evo, etc) had received the update so I know it's not for a lack of compatibility or power. I also mentioned my displeasure at the fact that they would rather cater to Verizon than support current customers & they might want to take a page out of apples playbook in that regard.
Lastly I let them know that this would be remembered on my next purchase.
Above all be polite but informed.

Well I just finished my second reply. Basically restating previous points made in further detail but with an emphasis on the fact that apple can't sue them for emulating their politics free policy on supporting their current customers which is a major key to their success.
Once again I implore all of you to be the squeaky wheel. It worked for the desire community. So please people, lets demand some grease.

poontab said:
This.
I know it can be hard for people to justify taking 5 minutes to write an email they think is pointless but I would like to encourage you all to. Verizon will not change their mind but maybe we can get HTC to continue support on their site. Gingerbread won't be a big deal I know but I'm worried about ice cream sandwich & compatibility with our current resources.
You can contact HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
They got back to me in 2 days & I'm trying to keep the dialog open.
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I just sent my second email to HTC.

Ppl still have unrooted Dinc's? Really? My incredible recommendation to you is to root it asap and install cyanogenmod 7.1. It'll Blow your mind!

m52 power! said:
Ppl still have unrooted Dinc's? Really? My incredible recommendation to you is to root it asap and install cyanogenmod 7.1. It'll Blow your mind!
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We're not even talking about being rooted or not. We're talking about an update that should have been released already that will bring with it more fixes and other Rom components we need to keep development alive for our phone. I used to love CM but it definitely did not blow my mind, lol. Its just Android with another overlay.

Tv out and 720p camera don't exist in all the GB releases (customs or leak). It won't till the GB OTA or RUU is released, if ever.

I'll see if I can shoot em an email in the a.m. Wifi is spotty where I'm at currently.
Sent from my awesome sauce Incredible with some sweet Miui action

Visually, there's no difference between 2.2 and the leaked 2.3. If it's that big of a deal to you, root your **** and install the leaked 2.3. It runs fine.
If you want to get more out of your phone, go with CM7.

Google buys Moto

Good news everyone, Google buys Motorola! Let's hope we get more frequent OS updates now!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/15/google-acquiring-motorola-mobility/

This was so out of the blue.
Love they did it just to make everyone step up their game.
Sent from my Phone

Wow. This costs more than the nortel patents, but it actually gives google something concrete, not just ammunition against patent trolls. The big change this shows though is google stepping into the hardware side. The questions are:
1: will motorola phones become the new android standard? No more samsung or HTC nexus phones?
2: will google customer service improve? I haven't dealt with motorola before so I dunno how they handle customers.
Yada yada tapped

Blimey, lets hope they appreciate the Defy and not forget about it.

It would be great if they will support Defy with Gingerbread...

Kositch said:
It would be great if they will support Defy with Gingerbread...
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Just what i wanted to say... lets hope

Kositch said:
It would be great if they will support Defy with Gingerbread...
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and without blur

Please just unlock them bootloaders and Cyanogen team will take care of the rest

I hope this will help the updates in Asia

Maybe now I can love motorola again. Google FTW

amazing news

So do I expect GB for my moto defy or maybe a bug free froyo at least?

gadgetcraze said:
So do I expect GB for my moto defy or maybe a bug free froyo at least?
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Maybe not the defy will take a few months for the company's to join and sort stuff out. But Tue ics phones will be epic.
Cm7 is our only hope.
Sent from my Phone

Good News for me as i was thinking of buying a Defy.

gadgetcraze said:
So do I expect GB for my moto defy or maybe a bug free froyo at least?
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No official gb update for defy in many if not all markets. That was the word.
But there's still hope seeing the new development with big g
Sent from my MB860

HELLO GOGGLE
Well someone had to say it

syl0n said:
Please just unlock them bootloaders and Cyanogen team will take care of the rest
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exactly my thoughts :>
vgowtham97 said:
Good News for me as i was thinking of buying a Defy.
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I wouldn't count on them supporting such an "old" device. I guess it would only be noticable on future devices. Does this move turn them automatically in GEDs?

syl0n said:
Please just unlock them bootloaders and Cyanogen team will take care of the rest
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I hope they do, but i don't think they will unlock the bootloaders.
I'm sure, they want to have only Android running on their phones, and opening up the bootloaders, also lets you install other operating systems :/
But, as i already said, i hope they still unlock the bootloaders.

google can do anything to make moto users happy!
so cant say what they will do

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Yeah - I'm hoping it's that they strip Blur out. In the absence of that, at least replace the components with leaner services from The Goog.
Let's just hope they don't decide to make Blur into an Android-wide "feature".

Do Something about the lack of development - Sign this petition now!!

Like many users here, I am disappointed by the pace of development. I understand that the T-mobile version is the only one that has a unlocked bootloader and that limits the interest on development as many potential devs have other variants. Many users here (myself included) are not knowledgeable enough to develop anything ourselves. The less enlightened (to put it nicely) non-developers complain like crazy while others sit quietly for a paragon developer to come along. There are a few developers who are doing great work bringing CM11 and DeviantXone to our phones. Either way most of us non-developers really don't have any opportunity to make a difference... until now.
There is a petition that is taking off at change.org. It has already received a response from LG and with more signatures, could lead to a change. The petition is asking for LG to unlock the bootloader of the phone. This should increase the number of developers by a substantial amount. Developing for the LG G3 is much better than developing for just the D851.
Please join Sebastian Jena's campaign: Click here to sign the petition!

Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3

BACARDILIMON said:
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.

bodom_hc said:
how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3

I wouldn't call what going on right now a lack of development. We have both stock based and cyanogenmod based Roms. When the cyanogenmod Roms that are out now become stable we will see a lot of ports for our phone. Its not that big of a deal but the petition is a great idea for the rest of the world. Just so you are aware most g3 versions can have stock based Roms but there seems to only be one actively developed ROM at a time over in the generic g3 section because the rest of the world has the same problem us T-Mobile folks do (lack of people willing to step up and learn how to do this stuff). I give it another month at most until we see stable cyanogenmod.

Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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BACARDILIMON said:
That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
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Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?

I'd be fine with signing it, but then I'll get loads of emails from them, which I don't want.
Sent from my LG-D851 using XDA Free mobile app

Just mark it as spam. I signed. I'd say reword to: "sign this petition to get ALL g3 bootloaders unlocked and help development!" And leave it at that.

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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
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For the record.... How many bootloaders been unlocked by a cell provider after initial release... And modding community is probably outnumbered by 100 to 1 or more likely more..and loud noise doesn't over come revenue stream... Be glad some providers release a dev phone for purchase.
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Lol
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You still may want to edit.your post. You spend far too long complaining about the lack of developing and how no one is deloping and.far less on why the phone should be unlike. Wasn't until the ending that I was like...oh he's not making a petition because no one is developing but to unlock the boot loader....

I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.

There use to be a time where if you were dissapointed in the amount of development being done on a phone you learned how dev. Thats what was great about android. It is an open source system made for you to make it youelr own. Yes times have changed and and not everything is completely open (nothing was ever completely open), but i know there are still ways to learn. Yes you might think your too busy to learn but if you really want more development for this device you will find the time to learn and truly make your device yours.

hypersonicx said:
I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
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There is development going on for the g3. Just the tmobile variant. Once the boot loader gets unlocked, it'll probably be easy to port them to the other variants. And it's not LG's fault that only tmobile's boot loader is unlocked. It's the cell provider's that wanted that. If everyone just gives up and moves to different phones, the devs will see no need to try and unlock the other bootloaders.

I signed it , hopefully they unlock it

pssst
BUMP!

LG Rolling out Android 5.0 Lollipop to the G3 Beginning Next Week

http://www.androidheadlines.com/page/2
LG has just informed us via a press release that they will be rolling out the Lollipop upgrade to the LG G3 next week. Starting in Poland. LG is claiming to be first to roll out the update to Android 5.0 Lollipop. While Motorola has started their soak test for Lollipop on the Moto X (2014), they haven’t started the official rollout just yet. While LG is starting the rollout in Poland we should be seeing it in other countries shortly later on. For those of us in the US, it’ll be closer to December, due to the carriers.
“LG is absolutely committed to giving our customers the best mobile experiences available and bringing Android Lollipop to G3 owners as soon as possible is a top priority,” said Dr. Jong-seok Park, President and CEO of the LG Electronics Mobile Communications Company. “The new features and improvements in Android 5.0 will bring a whole new user experience to the G3 and make it even better than it already is.”
Android 5.0 Lollipop brings a ton of new features. But for the LG G3, the most notable ones will be the battery and camera features that Google has added. Like Project Volta. The battery life on the Nexus 6 is pretty good, and I’m interested to see how the LG G3 does with the Lollipop update.
It looks like the developer preview at Google I/O this year really helped out the OEMs as we’re already seeing leaks of the LG G3, Samsung Galaxy S5 and other devices with Lollipop on board and this is the third device slated to get Lollipop this month that’s not a Nexus. Wonder if LG is going to beat the Nexus devices this year? It’s quite possible as the Nexus 5 isn’t going to be getting the update til at least November 12th.

Too bad it will look nothing like Lollipop.

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Too bad it will look nothing like Lollipop.
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That's true. Lollipop is really nice looking on my nexus 7. But won't it help developers to base their roms on the release to make it look like stock?

Yeah that really upset me. Lollipop looks fantastic and doesn't look anything like it.
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Nice, despite the whiners and crybabies talking about how it doesn't look like lollipop, they should have known that when they bought the skinned LG g3,why would this update be any different lol... I'm happy LG is doing this update right! Can't wait!
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Rooted but not a custom rom here...any idea how the upgrade for us is going to go? Do we need to go back to stock to upgrade?

It doesn't look like Lollipop, IE: it doesn't look like a Nexus device. That's a shocking revelation, and I am appalled. I figured that LG would completely scrap their own UI, and just stick AOSP lollipop on the phone, simply shocking. That said, until ART works with xposed, I'll be rocking KK. Not a big deal either way, and in all seriousness, you folks can't be shocked that LG is keeping their UI, right? Right? Just like every other OEM who skins android.

Got a Nexus 6 ordered so just unrooted and returned to stock awaiting 4.4.4, then will put the LG G3 up for sale.

Damn. And I just ordered my Note 4.

My question is when will there be a stock AOSP 5.0 rom for the G3? This phone is a monster in the spec field, and I want to keep it. I would like to flash a vanilla lollipop rom, however.

So apparently the D855 variant has a leaked build of lollipop booting with no issues...wondering what needs to be done for it to work on the D851? Are the firmwares even compatible?

+1 ....are there any d851 devs alive out there? This feels like the Jedi's are damn near extinct in our neck of the woods.

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+1 ....are there any d851 devs alive out there? This feels like the Jedi's are damn near extinct in our neck of the woods.
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d851 devs still out there

I am genuinely curious WHAT needs to be done to get it ported over.

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So apparently the D855 variant has a leaked build of lollipop booting with no issues...wondering what needs to be done for it to work on the D851? Are the firmwares even compatible?
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That leaked build was paid for by donations. The guy bought the build from LGBB with donations from other forum members. Be patient, CM12 is being worked on and it will be out when its ready.

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That leaked build was paid for by donations. The guy bought the build from LGBB with donations from other forum members. Be patient, CM12 is being worked on and it will be out when its ready.
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I wasn't being impatient. I was merely asking questions. Of which you answered none. But thanks for the info anyways.

I would also like to see lollipop ported over to the d851 seems like theres no love on our side can a dev plz port this over for our beloved device willing to donate im sure a lot off us will ...

Really! ? The nexus doesn't even have it yet. These things take time. I can't imagine any of the devs are just sitting around saying they aren't interested in 5.0. If you really want it, s start building! Or wait quietly, but don't criticize the folks who do this for you for free!
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djkinetic said:
That leaked build was paid for by donations. The guy bought the build from LGBB with donations from other forum members. Be patient, CM12 is being worked on and it will be out when its ready.
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Hoping the wi-fi calling source code is included in the upcoming updates to Lollipop.

I dont understand why some folks on xda feel the need to add useless comments in response to a question.. Would it not be better to just (putting it nicely) not respond if you can't help, instead of insulting..
You can consider my comment useless if you want. But you would be better off telling it to someone who cares about what you think.
Can't wait for lollipop!

CyanogenMod, Paranoid Android, or any other ROMs?

Would Cyanogen Mod be interested in developing for this phone now that we have unlocked bootloader? Given the choice, I'd love Paranoid Android, but I went hold my breath.

CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2

BrokenROM https://github.com/BrokenROM/device_asus_moorefield

Seems that are only for ZE551ML I hope that will be compatible with ZE550ML

If someone can get pure AOSP or CM working, the ROMs will flow out like water... once a base is established building many ROMs is easy. If we get CM, then look for ROMs like Beanstalk, BlissPop, Carbon, , etc. to follow closely behind. Patience, it will happen...

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CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2
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Yay! I really hope Paranoid Android follows suit. I LOVE Pa's Halo feature.

custom roms will help this phone.zenny 2 has one of the worst stock firmware optimization ever and seems like asus cant fix the problems.

Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.

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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Cool! I see lots of potential ROM development for this phone!
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Tuanies said:
Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Good to see Asus is showing commitment to this phone. Also great to see you guys are embracing the aftermarket ROM community. More vendors need to be supportive like this.

We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .

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Awesome! Is there/will there be collaboration with the developers regarding the kernel and device tree from ASUS as well? That would be key to have a fully-working custom ROM in the nearer future (versus the developers having to learn from scratch and sort of fend for themselves, kludging their way along and delaying the end goal).
So exciting!

We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.

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We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .
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Tuanies said:
We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...

Tuanies said:
We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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CC: @TheSSJ, @shakalaca, @jrior001, @crpalmer, @sorg, @Harfainx, @vampirefo and other zf2 developers.. :victory:

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This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done

Good thing to see Asus sharing to make custom ROMs efficient.
Already on Harfainx's ROM, can't wait to see things going even further.

SBFarooq said:
Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...
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Unfortunately in only responsible for North America and have no say for any other regions.
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This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done
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This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.

I'll probably start development for this phone once i get it. Never worked with an x86 android device before but it sounds like a fun challenge

Tuanies said:
This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.
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Hi,
I've got some sort of situation here concerning building the kernel for ZF2 on my own. I downloaded the kernel source from ASUS website and followed the instructions one by one (download the android source code, use the appropriate toolchain, issue the kernel build command using fhd_defconfig, etc.
The phone boots and works good, BUT:
The phone never gets to deep sleep mode because of hsic_s3_wlock (kernel wakelock from USB HSIC). Could you please ask someone from the technical department to check what is causing this or if any config entry is missing? I am really starting to doubt that this is something I can influence at all