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Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.
To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.
You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..
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To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.
I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.
After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know ).
I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.
My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<
Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!
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Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.
Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that .
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?
Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs
How adult.
@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.
@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.
You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.
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I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.
But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.
Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.
It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
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And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.
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It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
Will Wp7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
Wp7 not wm7. As far as I'm concerned IOS and Android are dated by comparison and have nothing new to offer. Neither of them has had anything updated worth speaking about since 3.0 on IOS or eclair on Android. Wp7 is refreshing after seeing phone oses get sold solely by hardware or advertisements. Gingerbread was essentially a glorified pallet swap and 4.0 pretty much just created fragmentation and added face time. They're out of ideas, Android relies solely on OEM business and IOS will just steal any idea from the next competitor and act as though its innovation.
There is no more WM, WP7 is a new system.
Although it's not bug free and missing some important features, I do love my Windows Phone
It's as smooth as iOS while more vivid (Dynamic Desktop).
Also three hard keys is more comfortable to me.
Not sure how you feel about the endless ROM update of Galaxy S, at least you dont have to deals with lag or fragile system files. No battery drain or GPS tweak. All features work fine on stock.
Cannot predict the future but turn to WP7 is a good move of Nokia, hope their device come out soon.
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(Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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yea I cant wait to play Modern Warfare 7 too
j3ffmcl34n said:
iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
How do you like WP7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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Its not too simple. iOS is too simple. I came from BB to iPhone to Android and now on wp7. And as somebody already stated, Android & iPhone feel somehow....primitive? Its a wierd concept, and I have to give MS a lot of credit here. Always liked their zune/metro UI and the phone is quite the breath of fresh air. The way you interact [through] the interface is untouchable by anything else to me. Its a very simple design, but it feels very engaging and satisfying, while remaining very quick to accomplish tasks ect. It really is like the commercials say: a phone to save us from our phones. Although you could easily get lost in the Xbox Live/games integration
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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As a techie/geek, I like to always look at what else is out there, and have tried most platforms at least for awhile (including webOS ect). I don't think it will overtake anything in the near future, but I do think over the next 12-18 months it will no longer be easy to ignore (kind of like what happened to android). After the Nokia announcement especially I think that it will grow quite rapidly. The OS is the first released OS that has felt more solid/responsive than the iOS. The tiles didn't appeal to me at first glance but you just gotta play with it once, and yer hooked.
Android is really nice and powerful, and fun to tinker with, but it still feels sort of half baked, and glued together. Even on the highest end devices it never quite felt professional. And I'm still a big fan of it just because I like to tinker and play with my UI's sometimes. However, after using wp7 for only a few days, its really hard to go back and play with my nexus one.
I also think you will see more professional looking & functioning apps compared to Android. This is something only controlled OS platforms can really benefit from, and why iOS has so many great looking apps, and why they all seem to function so well within the OS. Its easier for developers to create high functioning apps with a great UI when the phones aren't all over the place in skins, UI versions, Hardware types, API's used ect. I have apps on my wp7 that look better than anything I've seen on any other platform already (check out Cocktail Flow if you get a wp7 phone). There are some EXCELLENT apps on android, but for every one of those, there are 5,000 crappy ones that look and feel like they were designed by a couple of real life monkeys, and only serve to add to the ever-so-slight lag of the non-graphic accelerated OS.
Because it will be better for developers, I think that will also make it better for consumers.
Will WP7 be favored by the business community considering it has "word" and "office"?
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Not "favored" in the near term as most power windows users will stick to WM6.5 as it is more feature laden. wp7 is brand new, and as such is missing quite a few more in depth features. Many of these will be addressed over 2011. Once wp7 has been out for awhile and has the power WM has, then I would say yes it will be very attractive to business/power users. The Office integration is very good although still with a few issues.
Although the current implementation is still more powerful than what iOS and Android have for MS documents. And the One Note integration is tops.
How do you feel about the Nokia/MS joint venture?
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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I personally was very happy about this. I think HTC, Samsung, LG ect all make good handsets, but Nokia has a great track record of creating very high quality and reliable handsets; and their integrated services (ovi maps ect) are extremely powerful and accurate, and will be a HUGE asset for anybody wanting a wp7 phone. Nokias huge global reach will help wp7 grow quickly, and also force the other manufacturers to start taking their wp7 arms seriously, instead of forcing all their attention on their Android lineups.
Once they announced this partnership, in the wp7 world, **** basically got real. A lot of people were mad, but I see this as a huge benefit to both companies, and especially the potential and current customers of wp7. The other manufacturers will also need to up their game on their wp7 handsets if they don't want to look like a bargain basement alternative to what Nokia can produce.
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iPhone 3g - 3gs - Android (Galaxy S) user here.
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Happy iPhone 4 user here - also an HTC HD7 and HTC HD2
How do you like Wp7? I'm genuinely interested to hear.
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I love WP7. It's so refined. It's so refined that it feels luxurious. The keyboard...at least on my HD7...is second to none. The screen transitions and animations are second to none. The auto-rotation is the best there is. I especially love IE.
WP7 is just a pure pleasure to use. I'm glad to have it.
How is it compared to ios? Android? Is it "too" simple?
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WP7 doesn't yet have all of the features those others have, but it does have a solid and perfectly function core system. I love my new iPhone, It's probably the best system ever created. It exudes quality through and through. But I feel WP7 is smoother and cleaner in general operation of the core system. Right now, the apps can't yet compare to what the iPhone offers.
As for Android...It's a perfectly fine system that lacks the refinement of either the iPhone or WP7. I use Android on my HD2 and love it in that context. I don't believe I could bring myself to actually buy an Android phone, though, over iPhone or WP7. I was considering the new and unreleased Motorola Atrix 4G for all the new tech and power. But having Android, I was like...meh...and went for the older tech iPhone 4. That's how I feel about Android. It's just not impressive enough to warrant a phone purchase. But I do love it on my HD2.
Do you see it as a viable contender in the near future? (Ive been thinking about wanting to give MW7 a whirl.)
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I see WP7 as serious challenger to iPhone. Its core system already outshines iOS in general user experience and quality of operation. That isn't to say WP7 is perfect. Right now it has a few glaring bugs. If MS deals with the bugs and adds the features, it has the potential to dethrone iPhone for best phone. That is, if MS can keep up the system quality and tightly control provider hardware quality.
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I have no view on this.
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It's a genuinely positive sign for good things to come for WP7. I'm a little concerned about the freedom Nokia has with WP7; what they will do. But hardware-wise, I think MS hit the jackpot.
Will these 2 company's together be able to make something truly great and not just be a competitor? Could they bring new innovations to the market?
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Time will tell. The potential is there, but what Nokia does with its freedom of customization with WP7 is the key.
WP7 is definately a contender. I think it will take the smartphone scne by storm here in the next two years. Microsoft have finally caught on and know what they have to do. They seem to be sticking to it, we just have to sit back and watch. OS seems very solid. A few bugs but thats expected. As far as iOS and Android is concerned, they are abou the same Android is just more open than iOS.
But WP7 is only going forward not to say the other OS' arent. But im sure WP will excel past the competitors once they work out the bugs.
So an OS can be dated when it offers more? When it's already more refined and feature friendly as opposed to flashy and user friendly?
WP7 has potential ... but it amazes me how some folks ignore the obvious and talk up something while talking down something more proven.
To suggest that iOS and Android is, somehow, more "primitive" is sort of laughable. WP7 still has hope .. its been lackluster and unimpressive so far, however. The masses have spoken. I still think 2011 could he huge for the platform ... but a lot has to happen. Directly with WP7 and with not .... speficially outside factors. People don't seem to be letting up on Android ... iOS still the defacto end result .... but WP7 is sorta like the Wii ... the idea is there ... it might even end up outselling everyone .... but it's just different. Honestly feels like a last gen experience ... and not somethng catered to adults. No matter how smooth things can be at times. The Live business is really nothing more than a selling point ... and not a good one at that. Hype, for the kids.
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Microsoft have laid an impressive foundation stone with WP7, the UI oozes quality and professionalism, I am only waiting for one more feature (skydrive document sync) which I will get this year. Beyond that, my HD7 fully meets my own particular needs fully right now. I have used Android and always thought it was very similar to WM6.5, my HTC Desire was very laggy and bombed out on me twice with corrupt SD card problems, losing all my data (despite using the best quality 16Gb cards I could find). I also found that over time, the Desire got very laggy unless you really kept on top of what was running in the background meaning frequent soft resets, in comparison, I never feel the need to reset my HD7 (it has reset itself a couple of times, but hey WP7 is brand new!!).
I have not used Iphones much but I do have an Ipad, which is OK but iOS just feels a little dated to me. As for the Nokia thing, I am hoping for some really top of the line industrial design from them, all being well I fully expect to be using a Microkia WP7 phone this time next year!
Not quite ready for prime time...
I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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I think it's half-baked. Not quite ready for prime time. I've been using Windows Mobile or whatever iteration it was in 2002 for a long time and I feel like they've taken one step forward and two steps back with this OS.
Cartoonish, is a good way of putting it. Hopefully, some d**k doesn't tell me to piss-off because of my dissent, as happened to me here earlier this week!
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Agreed, and Microsoft's glacial pace of development doesn't help things, nor does their backpedaling on the update process. After I got screwed on yet another trash WM device that was never going to see bug fixes or updates I vowed I'd never again waste my money on WM and I didn't, getting several other devices instead. The biggest selling point for WP7 was that Microsoft would push updates and any user could get them. Then it's no, that's not entirely true. The carrier can block an update if they want to but Microsoft will push the next one through whether the carrier likes it or not. Which we all know will never fly because the carriers have, can and will make stuff up to achieve their aims and since Microsoft has already caved once, they'll cave again and again until, just like bad old days, every device gets one update that may or may not do anything relevant and we all get to sit around and wonder if we should wait or cut our losses and get something else that actually works. Being a Focus owner and given that Microsoft has annouced that there won't be any updates worth talking about until at least the 2nd half of 2011, I wonder that now. Think the Focus will be relevant by the time multitasking is available or will it be "incapable of running the latest system"? I'd say it's about 50/50 given the track records of everyone involved, including Samsung who has an even WORSE record for updates than Microsoft. This isn't some two-bit mom & pop dev shop located above the pizza place on the boardwalk, it's freaking Microsoft and they have what, 4 guys working on this on the days when two of them aren't working on Foxpro? Sure seems that way and I'm tired of reading all the half baked excuses from anyone and everyone who thinks they have a clue about what Microsoft does. This is a company with some of the best minds in the industry and billions of dollars and they're utterly incapable of doing anything that matters in a timely fashion because "they've been burned in the past so they're planning their steps carefully"? Give me a break! WM died years ago, if this system is "just a couple months old" like I keep reading, what were they doing for the past, oh, 3 or 4 years? You know, while iPhone and Android utterly consumed the entire smartphone market and Android became, and remains for the foreseeable future, the best heir to Windows Mobile? That's right, nothing. "Microsoft: Think Nothing"
What some 6.5 advocates fail to realize is that WP7 allows all its features (even if you consider it to be lacking) to be functional. WM6.x was so unreliable, and unresponsive at times, that sure, it had the features... But you couldn't run most of them without the OS crashing... You had to flash a ROM just to fix a feature... Yeah we got to the point of automating the cab installs, but the OS was far behind in terms of usage. So, I think WP7 is the definite step in the right direction, not two steps back, but leaps forward.
WP7 UI experience is just plain AWESOME. If only MS gets Mango on all current and future WP7 devices before this year end, its gonna be a real threat to Android and iOS.
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Ok so why do I think WP7 is awesome compared to Android? Well for starters the concept of Hubs is amazing. The Music Hub has all my songs, videos and even links to 3rd party Music/Video Apps right in one place. The Android Music Player seems like junk compared to the Zune player, it even automatically finds the currently playing songs Artist image and sets it as the background for the entire Zune Hub which although seems trivial but it really adds a nice touch.
The Office Hub does not even have a comparable application on Android. The mango update is gonna make it even better with skydrive integration built rt into the hub.
Xbox live integration with its achievements and gamer points really increases the replay value of games. Although one thing which i currently find annoying is the high minimum price of the xbox live games, some of which cost $2 more than their iPhone counterparts. This may be due in part becoz WP7 is a newer platform so as it matures and the adoption rate increases prices will reduce.
overall the UI really seems to be built for the consumer and is really easy to use. from what I have seen of Android it just seems like a marriage between Symbian/WinMo. Sure you can customize the hell out of it and currently it has a lot of features which WP7 lacks but IMO only features do not determine the success of a platform coz Symbian/WMO had most of these features half a decade ago. And frankly the average consumer does not give a damn about modding/ ROMS/ features etc.
.....hmm have to get back to work now, will update this asap ....unless the thread gets locked
Well, I recommend you get your NoDo fix now...it is super easy, and works using either the data method or wifi...
kapanak said:
Well, I recommend you get your NoDo fix now...it is super easy, and works using either the data method or wifi...
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yup I'm aware of the Hungarian VPN hack, but am not that desperate for NoDo right now so will wait for ATT to get its act together.
Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.
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Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.
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Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!
Avandor said:
Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!
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Jesus!
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Tried Android emulator on amazon.com and decided that WP7 UI is awesome?
I'm not sure how this works.
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Well I was a former Symbian user and had never used an Android device before, so this was my first time with the Android UI which I must say offers nothing compared to WP7.
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Something like humping an ugly fat neighbour to appreciate your slim, beautiful wife even more ?!
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lol rofl
fat girls need loving too
but they gotta pay!!!
As for android, best to go look at a device. Sadly, it functions quite similarly to amazon's test...sometimes fast, most times slow
And what does text based WP7 offers, thad android doesn`t?
balance
non fragmented hardware
driver specific code to run at optimum
me thinks that's enough
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And what does text based WP7 offers, thad android doesn`t?
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Text based? At least WP7 doesn't use any terminal emulator
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A clean, smooth, fast interface?
This thread should be closed before it gets out of control.
I have used Windows Mobile before moving to Android.
here is what I feel about Android...
Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
I am thinking of giving Windows phone 7 a try. Perhaps I am getting too old to keep flashing my phone every week.
Anyways... don't completely ignore Android. UI can be improved at any time. Next few years will be interesting to watch.
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Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
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^^^^My thoughts exactly. Maybe those Microsoft WM developers jumped ship to Google
If you ever played with the Windows Mobile emulator before, it's the same experience. Very plain and boring. That's why OEMs spent so much time skin it and customize it.
What you see on the emulator is not the same on devices.
What's hilarious is that someone starts a thread like this, then some WP7 denizens wonder why there is "negativity" about WP7. What is the OP even saying? Such valuable information that will surely help someone out, the forums are better for it that's for sure. Pretty sad actually.
as per the topic (whatever it actually is), the problem with the WP7 UI is that it can't be changed. So you either love Metro forever, or you best get a phone where you can theme it a little or at least change the wallpaper. I'm not going to sit here and bash WP7 because even though it is missing essential features that I need as a power-user, it is still a nice OS and I can see that it might be right for some people. For me It's going to be Android, iOS, and WM6.5.x for at least a couple more years till WP7 matures.
arkavat said:
I have used Windows Mobile before moving to Android.
here is what I feel about Android...
Android is the new Windows Mobile 6.X
very powerful...but lacks cohesiveness. Unusable without custom ROMs
I am thinking of giving Windows phone 7 a try. Perhaps I am getting too old to keep flashing my phone every week.
Anyways... don't completely ignore Android. UI can be improved at any time. Next few years will be interesting to watch.
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That's not true.
That being said, to some people the ability to load a custom rom is an advantage. If you want to "customize" WP7 you're SoL. If you don't like your manufacturer's Andorid skin, but love the hardware (as many Galaxy S users do), it's not hard to load a stock custom ROM on it and get on with your life.
In many cases people don't even need custom roms. They just install something like ADW or LauncherPro and that's good enough for them.
That being said, no software differences will make up for the huge gap in hadware between WP7 and Android phones. The WP7 hardware is just not... attractive... these days. Even normal consumers are asking about specs these days, because the tech press and even the normal press have been conditioning them to expect these things to improve over time, not drop back (as WP7 has... going from late 2010 hardware to late 2009 hardware if you "upgraded" from Android to WP7).
Another thing Anddoid has going for it is Apps. AmEx just came out with Serve.com and there's only an App for iOS and Android, for example. No WhatsApp for WP7. No Trillian for WP7. RIM is supposed to be releasing BBM for iOS and Android. There are tons of apps that either aren't available for WP7, or will never be available in the forseeable future due to API lockdown by Microsoft.
It's a terrible platform for an App-o-holic and moving form Android to WP7 I find myself carrying around both phones pretty much 100% of the time because there are lots of apps that simply aren't available on WP7. There still isn't an IM client. No HTML5 browser. No SP-to-SP messaging app, no Turn-by-Turn Navigation, still cannot attach videos to MMS or Email, etc.
Like I said in another thread. Looks only get you so far. A dumb blond may be hot as hell, but she's still dumb.
but then this leads to the question, what do you want to change? besides putting background image and font changing, much of the wp7 is extremely theme friendly. Now, granted, haven't found a way to change the square tiles but even then that's a wip...
And even with the tile shape not being able to be changed, there are plenty of options to create something amazing
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but then this leads to the question, what do you want to change? besides putting background image and font changing, much of the wp7 is extremely theme friendly. Now, granted, haven't found a way to change the square tiles but even then that's a wip...
And even with the tile shape not being able to be changed, there are plenty of options to create something amazing
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The size of the tiles? Make the App List a a grid instead of a list?
Change the default search provider in the browser?
Lower the touchscreen sensitivity and/or threshold for panning so that moving my finger 1 millimeter won't make the phone switch panes.
A lot of stuff people would want to change are impossible becuase Microsoft has crafted the OS in such a way that even skilled developers cannot compete with their stock apps (better browsers, other music players, better email clients (with conversation view and unified inbox, e.g.).
It really kicks the **** out of any mobile OS on the market by a landslide. I keep wanting to make a switch to something new just because I've been using it so long and I'm kind of bored, but honestly ever time I start really researching what's out there, I realize there is nothing even CLOSE to what Android offers. I was starting to get excited about the new BB10, but once again, after really researching and watching demos, that phone is going to be an epic failure and probably blackberrys ultimate demise. Their big "hub" idea is nothing more than Android's notification system but from the side instead of the top. Windows Phone probably has the most promise at this time, but they still have too many little annoyances for me (no folders, no ability to change email notification sounds between different accounts, no ability to separate your volumes for different notifications/alerts etc) that add up to a big no right now. IPhone is just years behind...I do love their hardware and that alone has made me think about switching, but then I start looking at their software and once again, it's a no.
Oh well...Android is king right now and as far as I can see (now and on the horizon), there is nothing even on the same page. Add the Note 2's functionality and you have an absolute ass whoopin going on...Haha.
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I'll disagree with you on the BB10. The issue with RIM's past was antiquated software and hardware. They refused to change and the mobile market decided to leave them behind. With BB10, they've basically fused a bit of ios, android and wp into one. Other than wp8, I've used all the other OS on a daily basis to know that each OS has its own potential and I'm sure tech fans would agree with that assessment. I think BB10 will be a huge success for RIM and will also motivate the innovations of the other OS as well.
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I'll disagree with you on the BB10. The issue with RIM's past was antiquated software and hardware. They refused to change and the mobile market decided to leave them behind. With BB10, they've basically fused a bit of ios, android and wp into one. Other than wp8, I've used all the other OS on a daily basis to know that each OS has its own potential and I'm sure tech fans would agree with that assessment. I think BB10 will be a huge success for RIM and will other motivate the innovations of the other OS as well.
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RIM will motivate other platforms to do what??? Not become as crappy and irrelevant as the BlackBerry OS? There is not one thing that BlackBerry is doing right now (or will be doing) that everyone else hasn't exceeded ten fold. The BB OS makes Windows Phone look Android and iOS combined times three!
That is just your biased opinion, nothing more.
I have owned many and currently own an Android phone (Note II). That said I have nothing against WP8, iPhone, or BB10 (yet).
There are MANY features of the Lumia 920 that I like better than any Android phone I have owned. As a phone, it is probably my #1 pick right now. That said I am a flash junkie and I got bored with it. The WP8 market has some quality apps but still lacks in quantity. Also a few quams with WP8, but not too many. Simple things like not being able to set my own custom sms tone (you can chose only from factory options). All in all though WP8 is VERY smooth and the Lumia 920, while slightly bulky (although while thick still doesn't feel bulky compared to a Note II), is a VERY solid handset.
Again iPhone has many good qualities and iOS has by far the best selection of mobile games (I am sorry if you disagree, but this is fact.). The phones themselves do have a nice feel (personal choice) and smaller size which some people demand/want. I personally do not care for them as my own device,but that is almost entirely due to the small screen size (opinion/personal choice) and being locked to itunes which I despise.
I will almost definitely try a BB10 phone on launch unless I find something before hand that I know 100% I won't be able to deal with. I love trying out new phones, hardware and software.
Android and it's manufacturers have their own set of flaws just like Apple and MS/Nokia/etc... I won't bother listing my opinions there out of the flaming I would take over it, but I personally don't consider Android "king" of anything except selection and modification.
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I'll disagree with you on the BB10. The issue with RIM's past was antiquated software and hardware. They refused to change and the mobile market decided to leave them behind. With BB10, they've basically fused a bit of ios, android and wp into one. Other than wp8, I've used all the other OS on a daily basis to know that each OS has its own potential and I'm sure tech fans would agree with that assessment. I think BB10 will be a huge success for RIM and will also motivate the innovations of the other OS as well.
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BB10 will be Rims saving grace. If it flops, they will die. There is no doubt about that.
And the only way BB10 will be a successful OS is if they have enough developers to support them. Without the developers they will have a useless phone.
I personally own a Playbook, and the QNX operating system is by far the fastest when it comes to web browsing. If you look up sunspider results you will see what I mean. The playbook is even running on outdated hardware. Throw a S4 Pro, paired with 2Gb of ram and it will be the fastest tablet to date.
Multimedia is fantastic on it too. I'm able to watch a 1080p video, stream it to my big screen via HDMI cable flawlessly. It doesn't even have to turn the tablet screen off. The software is that efficient.
The only downfall is the extreme lack of apps. If some developers back BB10, it will be successful. And I will dive in for sure
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crawlgsx said:
That is just your biased opinion, nothing more.
I have owned many and currently own an Android phone (Note II). That said I have nothing against WP8, iPhone, or BB10 (yet).
There are MANY features of the Lumia 920 that I like better than any Android phone I have owned. As a phone, it is probably my #1 pick right now. That said I am a flash junkie and I got bored with it. The WP8 market has some quality apps but still lacks in quantity. Also a few quams with WP8, but not too many. Simple things like not being able to set my own custom sms tone (you can chose only from factory options). All in all though WP8 is VERY smooth and the Lumia 920, while slightly bulky (although while thick still doesn't feel bulky compared to a Note II), is a VERY solid handset.
Again iPhone has many good qualities and iOS has by far the best selection of mobile games (I am sorry if you disagree, but this is fact.). The phones themselves do have a nice feel (personal choice) and smaller size which some people demand/want. I personally do not care for them as my own device,but that is almost entirely due to the small screen size (opinion/personal choice) and being locked to itunes which I despise.
I will almost definitely try a BB10 phone on launch unless I find something before hand that I know 100% I won't be able to deal with. I love trying out new phones, hardware and software.
Android and it's manufacturers have their own set of flaws just like Apple and MS/Nokia/etc... I won't bother listing my opinions there out of the flaming I would take over it, but I personally don't consider Android "king" of anything except selection and modification.
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I should have prefaced my post by saying that I have owned the Blackberry Pearl, the Bold 9930, the Playbook, Lumia 900, iPhone 4 and 4s...I have experienced all the big mobile OS's, so I'm not just an Android fanboy that has no real world experience using other software platforms. Like I said, I really want to fall in love with another platform just because I feel I have gotten everything I could possibly get out of Android, but it just never works out that way. I always end up back with Android wondering when someone will make an OS even close to it.
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I always end up back with Android wondering when someone will make an OS even close to it.
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Samsung will be the someone you're looking for.
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It's all about personal preference and personal bias....and what your actually comparing.
The vast majority of smart phone users don't fully understand their own device...let alone the other available ones...but if your talking specifics of what the bulk of smart phones can do in stock form..then you really need to discuss specifics...not just in general terms.
While some phones are more capable doing certain things...others can do the same...well enough..that many folks don't even bother researching all the models. Instead..the rely on peer reviews and what is "trending" to make their choices,or what their favorite celebrity pimps on TV...
Android does has something all others do not...and that is the absolute frigging humongous dedicated group of individuals who choose to share what they have made which in-turn can make our phones do the things we here want them to do without charge... Without this dedicated group of people...Android would be no different than all the rest...
Some may disagree...but... the numbers of developers for Android that do this just for the love of doing it...far exceed any other platform...and that is why Android is King of the hill...regardless of what new OS Windows, Rim or Apple decides to bash their future on. The others are hoping their dedicated cult will excite all to switch to their latest & greatest..and all plan more media blitzes to sway the masses to grab that ever dwindling % of market share...which will work for a little while ..but..only Android is open source...which allows as much customization as easily as it does...for now.
Like I said...it is about personal preferences and personal biases...and what & how that individual chooses a smart phone...
Mac
Very well said Mac
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Just read this article, today, by sheer coincidence. It basically states that Android has finally eclipsed iOS.
Cnet — Android Challenges the iPhone in Every Category.
Hello all moto 360 users
I am sure this is somewhere on the forums but a normal search did not show it ( and I am happy to take links).
I want to know if there are any efforts to make an App that can act as a bridge for Moto360 on iOS.
Basic functionality would do (like just acting as a bridge for internet).
Side-loading should be an option too
Thanks!!
Why would Google want any integration with iOS? There are already more Android devices out there than iOS so its not like they need iPhone users buying their watches, especially as Apple have their own watch coming out. Even if such an app existed I don't think Apple would allow it onto the Apple Store.
I might be completely wrong, in which case I apologise, but I think you'll find this is a no go. Just get yourself an Android phone, you can get one cheap nowadays
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Why would Google want any integration with iOS? There are already more Android devices out there than iOS so its not like they need iPhone users buying their watches, especially as Apple have their own watch coming out. Even if such an app existed I don't think Apple would allow it onto the Apple Store.
I might be completely wrong, in which case I apologise, but I think you'll find this is a no go. Just get yourself an Android phone, you can get one cheap nowadays
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Hello all moto 360 users
I am sure this is somewhere on the forums but a normal search did not show it ( and I am happy to take links).
I want to know if there are any efforts to make an App that can act as a bridge for Moto360 on iOS.
Basic functionality would do (like just acting as a bridge for internet).
Side-loading should be an option too
Thanks!!
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I don't think he was looking for an official app, just a work-around...
I'm pretty sure they got the Gear working to some extent with iPhone, but I haven't seen anything for Android Wear...
He's right, though - you should get an Android phone [emoji106]
Much more fun [emoji12]
Thanks for the reply.
With Microsoft going multi-platform, it would make sense that others may want to steal some market-share way too.
Again, looking for more of a bridge than a tight integration and with Google promoting openness and all, I thought it should be possible to get the Stack and drivers for wear and port it to iOS.
Anyways, I will keep looking.
Take inbox, google now, google maps, they are all over iOS.
Google is ready to make android wear compatible with ios. ..but apple wouldn't let that happen
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Simple solution. Throw away that iOS device and pick a real smartphone (i.e., HTC one M8 GPE)
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Simple solution. Throw away that iOS device and pick a real smartphone (i.e., HTC one M8 GPE)
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Or buy the best ...cheap moto G...not hard on wallet and also enjoy android lollipop soon on it
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Thanks for all the tips that I didn't ask for
I know I can get a moto, htc, nexus etc and it will work, this I hope is a no-brainer.
What I wanted to see if there are some skilled Android developers out there wanting to hack it to work (again side-load, or jailbreak).
I am well aware that I can just get a google phone to work with the google watches, similar to that Samsung did with with their first Gear and similar to what Apple will do with the watch.
I have some suspicion that the Apple Watch will be made to work with Google android one way or the other so there is little difference (if you consider side-loading).
Thanks.
Android devs are skilled. .no doubt. .but will not waste their time in something which apple will not approve and then file cases against them..
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Those of you suggesting to get an android phone are not thinking this through. There are millions of people who use iPhones, and the app marketplace is thriving. Why wouldn't iPhone users want to use Android Wear watches? Using an android tablet for configuration of the watch is inconvenient, but for many would not be a deal breaker. But don't expect iPhone users to carry around an extra phone just so their watch will display notifications.
Google and Microsoft are both spending significant resources to support iPhone users. Displaying iPhone notifications on Android Wear devices seems like a really useful thing to me.
These iOS users will just buy the iWatch !
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Those of you suggesting to get an android phone are not thinking this through. There are millions of people who use iPhones, and the app marketplace is thriving. Why wouldn't iPhone users want to use Android Wear watches? Using an android tablet for configuration of the watch is inconvenient, but for many would not be a deal breaker. But don't expect iPhone users to carry around an extra phone just so their watch will display notifications.
Google and Microsoft are both spending significant resources to support iPhone users. Displaying iPhone notifications on Android Wear devices seems like a really useful thing to me.
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Then why do you think Android Wear doesn't support iOS?
You're right of course, it would be great for people with iphones who want more choice... I have an iPhone for work, so I wish I could pair both with the 360...
Its possible to pair two devices to the Moto 360.
I have two phones and I successfully connected my Moto 360 with Notifications on my iPhone.
You may checkout the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBI8ypRYe4Y
Wow, that looks amazing, how do I install the app?
Do you need Beta testers
/Jonas