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New Desire.. need advice on how to proceed

Hi everybody, I just bought a HTC Desire from The Carphone Warehouse on the O2 network.
I've taken it home, inserted my simcard, turned it on and put it on charge. I've flicked through the little introduction screens and then connected to my home WiFi.
I have been reading this and other forums for a while. I want to now root the phone and install a custom ROM.
Before I download any apps or do anything should I first root the phone as soon as possible and install the custom ROM of my choice?
The phone came with a 4GB memory card. I of course want to upgrade this to a bigger card. Should I buy and insert the new memory card before rooting and installing a ROM as I have read about people having problems with installing new memory cards.
Removing the back of the phone scared the life out of me. I thought it was going to snap. I don't fancy doing that too often!
Sorry about the long winded thread but any help would be appreciated.

Personally, if this is your first Android phone, I think you ought to just use it for a couple of weeks, to get familiar with it. There is no point in installing custom ROMs right away before you know what the standard software can or can't do, as you will not have anything to compare the new ROM to.
Many ROMs have issues/bugs, and you would do well to spend a couple of weeks reading up on the forums here, to gain an understanding of what rooting entails, and what you can expect from different ROMs. It is likely you will end up flashing multiple ROMs before settling on one you are happy with, so why not just enjoy your phone for a bit first? Trust me, flashing can become addictive, and you can often end up with a phone that has a non-working feature - which can be frustrating, as well as time consuming.
Also, rooting is very safe now, but regularly new problems are discovered - for instance the recent SLCD brick issue. If you don't know what that is then you need to do more reading. Trust me, you will save yourself lots of hassle in the long run - panicking over a £400 phone that won't boot up, not knowing whether you've broken it permanently, is not a nice feeling.
I'm not trying to put you off at all - rooting is the best thing I've done with my Desire (and my Dream before that), and I'd recommend it to anyone who is interested in unleasing the full power of their phone. But do your research thoroughly first, then ask questions.
In reply to the questions you have asked:
Before I download any apps or do anything should I first root the phone as soon as possible and install the custom ROM of my choice?
If you're going to root then you have to wipe the phone as part of the process, therefore losing any apps you've installed. You would have to then reinstall them. Whether you root now or later, you will still have to install your apps. Once the phone is rooted, you can backup your apps when moving from ROM to ROM - Titanium Backup is good.
Should I buy and insert the new memory card before rooting and installing a ROM as I have read about people having problems with installing new memory cards.
Up to you. If you have the money now then I would go ahead and get the SD card you want now. Saves transferring stuff later on.
When you have any questions feel free to post here in the Q&A section and there will be people more than happy to help you out
Welcome to the world of Android!
EDIT: I have just re-read your post, and realised you said you have been reading the forums for a couple of weeks - I didn't mean to sound patronising at all when I recommended more research. Knowledge is power!

[Q] Several questions about rooting

First off, yep, I used the search but nothing did quite match the question I have...
Now, one of the main reasons I want to root my phone for, is, that I don't have (even nearly) enough space for the apps I want to use.
1. I saw a ROM floating around here which is enabling the complete installation of applications to the sd card, is this possible with every ROM or just with this specific one?
And:
2 .On the current stock ROM there already is an App2SD function, but I haven't got enough space anyway, does this improve with root access?
The second reason I want to root my Desire is, that I'd like to have 2.3 instead of 2.2, because of some features that were added.
One, actually minor but anyway, more reason for rooting for me is, that I can have a different theme (I'm getting bored of the stock one...)
3. Are this and the first one enough reasons to root your phone? Is it worth it?
Then, some more general questions about rooting:
4. I saw a few tutorials out there, which are "noob proved", is it really that simple? (I'm not complete idiot in terms of technical things, but I haven't got much expirience with android...)
5. I also saw that it is possible to "brick" your device, does this just happen when you do something completly wrong, or is it just random? How "high" is the chance of bricking your device?
6. After you rooted your device, can you "switch" ROMs quite easily or is it a kind of harder process each time?
7. Im not soo familiar with android, as I mentioned before, so, does android write the SMS and so on to the SIM card or are they saved internal? Are they getting lost while rooting?
And now over to some more personal questions:
8. What application or advantage did you root your phone for?
9. Which root apps are really making it worth rooting?
I'd be really thankfull if you could help me with this, and I appreciate each answer!
Best regards
P.S.: Sorry for my kinda bad english, but I'm not quite often using it....

1. You are talking about a feature named a2sd. If a rom supports it, it will be listed in its feature list. To use it, you have to follow the given instructions for partitioning sd card for a2sd in the roms corresponding thread.
2. That's not a2sd, it's the "froyo-style app2sd". The difference is, with the froyo one you can only move the application to sd card if the developer programmed the app for it. With a2sd, all apps you install will be automatically moved to a special partition on your sd card, namely sd-ext. You don't have and must not do anything.
You can already download gingerbread from htcdev.com:
http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
3. Rooting gives you many advantages. Most important things are you can backup your apps/settings and your rom, and you can flash custom roms.
4. Of course they are. That's why they named like this.
5. If you follow all guides carefully and don't do something silly, imho the chance the phone bricks is not higher than an untouched stops working.
6. It's very easy. You do it from recovery, where you can backup your previous rom.
7. Yep, but you have to it with an extra program like sms backup & restore:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore&feature=search_result
8. Flash custom roms, backup and restore apps/rom -> better and so awesome desire experience.
9. Most important one is imho titanium backup:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup&feature=search_result

i recently rooted and then unrooted and then rooted and s-off my desire trust me reading the instructions makes its sound more difficult than it is. just read carefully dont take shortcuts and ull be ok.
i rooted as i ran low on space also i like the fact i can delete system apps as i dnt use them.
you can use themes.
there are roms with data2sd or data2whatever, better than app2sd.
just read thru ask some questions of people.they will help u out. boobkmark the pages u want to use i always forget and then can never find the advice again!!!
once ur rooted used unrevoked for that. you can swap roms like there ur socks!! i and many others on here im sure swapped roms hourly let alone daily , u need to see which one fits u the best.
this is just what i no from my very limited experience others on here are much more in the know!
good luck

Use this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016084
If you follow it exactly you should not brick your phone
Switching roms is easy as long as you read the requirements for each rom, which are usually found within the first two posts on the rom thread
If you use cyanogenmod rom you can use the s2e app from market to move apps to your sd card, imho this is a very easy way to implement app2sd, I'm using this, I have heaps of apps installed and still have plenty of space left
Sent from my CM7.1 Desire using XDA Premium App

Read some noob guides you need more knowledge

Thank you very much for the answers!
I downloaded all of the files needed and backed up SMS and contact information and tomorrow I'll root my phone (got more time and patience....).
Just one more quick question: I bought my phone unbranded (on Amazon), so I don't need to make a "gold card", am I right?

Nascor said:
Thank you very much for the answers!
I downloaded all of the files needed and backed up SMS and contact information and tomorrow I'll root my phone (got more time and patience....).
Just one more quick question: I bought my phone unbranded (on Amazon), so I don't need to make a "gold card", am I right?
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You are right. But if I were you, I would made one even so, just in case.

A link or an explanation please - ROOT question again!

OK I'm really sorry but I've been searching for days (weeks actually) so forgive me if there is a thread that I can't find - and/or link to it for me if you wouldn't mind. (I get frustrated by people asking the same question over and over, as I'm sure you do too, I really am stuck as I am completely new to android and am still a little stuck in iOS mindset - i.e. can't seem to work thing out for myself lol)
This relates specifically to the SGNII hence it's post here and not in general android forum (where I've also searched)
I'm loosing patience waiting for a 32GB so I'm "considering" getting a 16 and 64GB card and rooting. I know I will have more than 16GB of apps (added up all the once I want/need) and really need a backup facility so......
When you root the SGNII - only to gain root access for modifying the external SD to take apps and, possibly, to use titanium backup:
1) Do you loose any stock functions/apps other than warranty, OTA updates, and automatic app updates?
2) Do ALL apps run ok from the external SD (eg top of the line games, Polaris office etc) - is there any slow down?
3) If, at a later point, I flash a later stock ROM (what would normally be an OTA update) release will it still find all the apps and their data on the SD card?
4) If an app is updated in the store is it easy to update it onto the SD when you know the update is available
I'm sorry if I'm asking the same question that others have asked but I've been searching for days. Many thanks for links or direct answers to these questions. I'd really love a 32GB or above and I'm giving it until the upcoming US release to see if this is a trigger for global release but there are already some pretty tasty deals in the 16GB format on contract here in the UK
Many thanks in advance for your help
Ben

EmergencyMedic said:
OK I'm really sorry but I've been searching for days (weeks actually) so forgive me if there is a thread that I can't find - and/or link to it for me if you wouldn't mind. (I get frustrated by people asking the same question over and over, as I'm sure you do too, I really am stuck as I am completely new to android and am still a little stuck in iOS mindset - i.e. can't seem to work thing out for myself lol)
This relates specifically to the SGNII hence it's post here and not in general android forum (where I've also searched)
I'm loosing patience waiting for a 32GB so I'm "considering" getting a 16 and 64GB card and rooting. I know I will have more than 16GB of apps (added up all the once I want/need) and really need a backup facility so......
When you root the SGNII - only to gain root access for modifying the external SD to take apps and, possibly, to use titanium backup:
1) Do you loose any stock functions/apps other than warranty, OTA updates, and automatic app updates?
2) Do ALL apps run ok from the external SD (eg top of the line games, Polaris office etc) - is there any slow down?
3) If, at a later point, I flash a later stock ROM (what would normally be an OTA update) release will it still find all the apps and their data on the SD card?
4) If an app is updated in the store is it easy to update it onto the SD when you know the update is available
I'm sorry if I'm asking the same question that others have asked but I've been searching for days. Many thanks for links or direct answers to these questions. I'd really love a 32GB or above and I'm giving it until the upcoming US release to see if this is a trigger for global release but there are already some pretty tasty deals in the 16GB format on contract here in the UK
Many thanks in advance for your help
Ben
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1) u will never lose anything even the warranty & ota by using triangle away
2)using special directory binding tools with a class 10 micro sd HC u will got no problem at all running from Ext SD
3)resetting the counter then wipe then flash stock rom ur device will return brand new official
4)yes.
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Thank you so much for the reply, sorry if it was a simple question, pushing me more toward the 16gb now (I'd be saving a lot of money on my contract if I upgrade!). - I actually went into the store today to buy one, fate must have stopped me because they only had white in stock (I want grey) lol.
So if I root and use triangle away to reset counter I can still get OTA updates? - that's cool (I'm sure ill be flashing new roms before long anyway - used to love messing with the OS on my XDA exec back in the day - so this isn't too important, but nice to know)
Thank you for confirming apps will have no significant problems running form the SD (I know that things like widget apps need to be in the on-board memory)
I think I've understood correctly from reading around that SD mounted apps will not "automatically" update, again that doesn't bother me - I'm sure there are apps out there that can "watch" for new releases - time to do another search.
I'm not to scared about getting back from root should I have a problem now (I.e. factory reset) - thank you
One more question, if you don't mind:
I've been reading about directory bind quiet a lot over the past few weeks (trying to answer the above questions you answered in 2mins!) - is there a good app that you would recommend for directory binding? There's several on the store and, TBH, the reviews don't really help me make a decision. I did catch somewhere that there was a method to trick the phone into thinking the external SD was the Internal SD and vice versa - what's your views on that?
I think it's funny that rooting invalidates your warranty when even the samsung App Store has program's that require root!
Once again, thanks for the reply

[Q] Rooting and ROM

Hello, this is the first time posting on this forum and relatively new on the android platform after jumping ship from blackberry. So, i have afew questions i hope you guys can help me with.
1. I heard/read alot regarding rooting to bring out the full potential of an android(s4) phone. What is the full advantage of rooting my phone? How does granting administrative access affect my phone performance?
2. I often see the jargon of bloatware on this forum, what does it exactly mean?
3. What is the function of ROM?
Sorry if these qns are repeated, please direct me to the answer if it is already present in the forum. thanks

1. Ans
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Still confused between Samsung Galaxy S4 and 10 acres of land in London

Rooting your phone gives you access to do anything you want ie (Apps 2 sd) that the phone dosent permit you to do.
A ROM is just a different feel, and its a faster alternative in upgrading your android ios. (S4 has touchwiz, can change it to Htc Sense)
Bloatware is a bunch of unnecessary apps that Carriers know youll never use but have it just cause. Its annoying and it takes up space. Rooting allows you to delete these apps, cause if its not you wont be able to remove it.
I hope this helped, ask again if you have any more questions.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app

I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it. When I look at some of the threads on rooting it just seems like a foreign language to me!
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app

mahgnillig said:
I was wondering if there is a sort of rooting guide for dummies out there. I want to root my phone to get rid of some of the bloatware that I will never use, and also to delete the annoying start up and shut down sounds. Other than that, I'm happy with Touchwiz so far, but I suppose adding custom themes would be fun.
I rooted my last phone (Samsung Vibrant) over 2yrs ago and don't remember how I did it. I know I installed a custom ROM, but don't remember how to do that either. I remember following a really good guide with pictures and step by step instructions though. It's early days yet with the S4, but I really hope someone will do the same kind of guide because it's very helpful for those of us who like to customize but don't have the time or knowledge to seriously get into it.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
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Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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Still confused between Samsung Galaxy S4 and 10 acres of land in London

nikufellow said:
Try the motochopper method - the guide is pretty simple and self explanatory however if you're on latest kernel then rooting is a no go as of now
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Thanks I looked at that and it seems straightforward, but I'm concerned about what to do after the actual root. Things like how to back the phone up in case I mess it up, how to delete things, how to add things. Also I find a lot of the terminology confusing... not quite sure what all the acronyms stand for either, like ODIN or CWM, or what each thing does exactly. This is the kind of thread which would be totally useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849028 (this one is for the Vibrant though, so I think a lot of it would be different on a different device?)
As far as the kernel... as far as I know nothing has been updated. I got the phone on the first day it came out so I'm assuming it doesn't have the latest kernel. How would you find out? Not even sure what the kernel is or what it does :\ I would like to find out though!

^^^then you might be on an earlier kernel version anyway trying to root by motochopper method won't brick your device even if it doesn't go successful so no worries.
ODIN is the same software that service centres use to revive your bricked device - as a matter of fact with Samsung drivers, a usb cable and stock rom downloaded from online sources like sammobile, you can revert almost any instances of soft brick. Simply saying ODIN will flash back factory/stock rom anfd make your device as it was when you bought it. And yeah flashing via ODIN and all are more or less same procedure for all Samsung devices
Cwm is a custom recovery. If you don't know what recovery means it might be worth googling for better understanding the concept as even my knowledge is limited and my explanations might fall short of your expectations
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with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?

Mami-dalous said:
with regards to rooting my s4 which is running on 4.2.2 jellybean, does motochopper actually brick my phone? In addition, can i root my phone to remove the bloatwares and afterwhich, unroot my phone again, with all the bloatwares already permanently removed? Is it possible to download the full list of softwares of the s4 online such that if i accidentally remove an important software, i will be able to restore it. As I am someone who is not into very much customization and over-clocking, i believe i dont need my phone rooted for custom ROM right? I can use stock ROM when my phone is unrooted and clear of bloatware?
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Steps
#1. Locate GS4 box, place phone inside box.
#2. Return to store and get iPhone.
Serious tho. Best thing you can do is READ. SEARCH and READ. SEARCH and READ.
If you are unsure about something, READ again. Most questions have already been asked and answered.
If you find yourself lost......SEARCH and READ. Believe me this is this most useful advice you will ever get here.
Stuff is so easy now compared to when android 1st started. I remember rooting my G1 on a terminal prompt and installing recovery with wicked long commands. Now everything is automated and the hardest (NOT) part is reading the step by step instructions provided on almost every mod and tweak.
Welcome and goodluck !

[Q] HTC One XL Australia root help please

Hi All
I'm trying to move apps to SD and the devices tell me I need to root for this to happen. I went through the process of unlocking the bootloader only to have it remind me that it essentially becomes a factory reset, so I'm going to back up all my data and have a go on the weekend. I need to factory reset anyway as the phone has started lagging.
I have read that unlocking bootloader will allow the flashing of custom ROMs, which could include a ROM that is rooted. Is this correct?
If so can someone point me towards a stock rooted ROM, or the process of simply rooting the standard? I have no real desire to start playing with ROMs as the phone functions quite well it just requires a bit of cleaning it currently won't allow me to do.
android 4.2.2 HTC One XL (Telstra Branded)
I just want to delete some rubbish stock apps that I never use (like pocket news) and move the unessential apps like games to SD card as well as delete the hideously bulky little demo movies that these things have to free up some space.
Thanks in advance, and sorry if this is the wrong spot.
If you need any other info on the device let me know and I'll hunt it down. I'm not new to this kind of thing but it has been a while.
Cheers
Glenn

Dzyans15 said:
Hi All
I'm trying to move apps to SD and the devices tell me I need to root for this to happen. I went through the process of unlocking the bootloader only to have it remind me that it essentially becomes a factory reset, so I'm going to back up all my data and have a go on the weekend. I need to factory reset anyway as the phone has started lagging.
I have read that unlocking bootloader will allow the flashing of custom ROMs, which could include a ROM that is rooted. Is this correct?
If so can someone point me towards a stock rooted ROM, or the process of simply rooting the standard? I have no real desire to start playing with ROMs as the phone functions quite well it just requires a bit of cleaning it currently won't allow me to do.
android 4.2.2 HTC One XL (Telstra Branded)
I just want to delete some rubbish stock apps that I never use (like pocket news) and move the unessential apps like games to SD card as well as delete the hideously bulky little demo movies that these things have to free up some space.
Thanks in advance, and sorry if this is the wrong spot.
If you need any other info on the device let me know and I'll hunt it down. I'm not new to this kind of thing but it has been a while.
Cheers
Glenn
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wrong forum mate go in ONE XL forum