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ok so I used my phone for about 3 hours last night tweaking things and playing with stuff and didn't charge it overnight and used it a bunch today and the battery indicator looked like it was at about 70%. probably not accurate, but the fact that it's even still on amazes me because it's probably got 8 hours of playing with it and 6 hours of standby and still going strong.
I think a full drain then a full charge might reset the battery indicator for accuracy, I wish we had like a "current widget" for WP7 to see the ma drain.
how you guys doing on HD2 WP7 battery drain? Mine seems to be even better than WM6.5
I have the exact opposite experience as you. My HD2[7]'s battery life is crap. It was fully charged last night and I had left it in my drawer with the Wi-fi off. After coming from work a half hour ago, I saw that the battery was almost drained.
Also, shouldn't the battery icon show the plug when the phone is being charged? My phone is on and booted into WP7, the red light is showing but the battery icon shows no animation or the plug. EDIT: WTF IT FROZE ON ME, I had to remove the battery!
Finally, what's with the random reboots? I've seen 2 already.
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Finally, what's with the random reboots? I've seen 2 already.
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I think its something related to the SD cards you are using.
If the Sd card you are using is not compatible with WP7 then you will get random reboots.
And the main thing here is that there is no specific way to know which SD card will work and which wont work with WP7
By the way my battery is somewhat draining faster than the Android I was using on my HD2
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I think its something related to the SD cards you are using.
If the Sd card you are using is not compatible with WP7 then you will get random reboots.
And the main thing here is that there is no specific way to know which SD card will work and which wont work with WP7
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we know which sd cards work on official wp7 devices.
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we know which sd cards work on official wp7 devices.
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What I meant to say was, we don't know which SD card will work with WP7 on HD2.
I wasn't talking about the official WP7
Well the stock 16gig TMOUS card works just fine.
my battery seems to be fine, i use my scale based on my school schedual. with android from 7 am to 4 pm around 50 to 40 percent.
today running wp7 i unplugged it around 8is and about 6 is it had very little black on the battery icon. im going ot charge it up fully, then kill it, to see if that helps reset the battery stats
Well when i first flashed WP7 my battery was over lasting.. After i manually rebooted because i just felt like doing so, my battery has started to drain a little bit to fast.
Are there any marketplace apps that can monitor this stuff yet?
Update: Last night, after making sure that my phone was fully charged, I turned off the wifi and removed the SIM card and didn't touch the phone again until a half hour ago (about 12 hours standby time in total). The indicator is showing about 50% battery life remaining. This SUCKS, and any helpful comments about this will be appreciated.
just considering its not supposed to be on the phone...
also what theme are you using
and since microsd polling it may have a lot of impact on standard battery life...
plus, let's be real, it is an htc...they're not battery efficient
domineus said:
just considering its not supposed to be on the phone...
also what theme are you using
and since microsd polling it may have a lot of impact on standard battery life...
plus, let's be real, it is an htc...they're not battery efficient
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Here are my settings: Dark background theme, purple (hate the color normally, but somehow manages to look nice on the HD2), 30 seconds lockscreen timeout, Wifi off, Location off.
I tried removing the MicroSD, but the phone then becomes unusable with frequent freezes and reboots. I'd love to check if the card is affecting battery life if the damn phone would let me to.
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I have the exact opposite experience as you. My HD2[7]'s battery life is crap. It was fully charged last night and I had left it in my drawer with the Wi-fi off. After coming from work a half hour ago, I saw that the battery was almost drained.
Also, shouldn't the battery icon show the plug when the phone is being charged? My phone is on and booted into WP7, the red light is showing but the battery icon shows no animation or the plug. EDIT: WTF IT FROZE ON ME, I had to remove the battery!
Finally, what's with the random reboots? I've seen 2 already.
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HTC puts bad batteries in their 4.3" phones. They've been using 1230 mAh batteries forever (over a year). Blackberry curves come with 1150 mAh batteries so you can see what that size is somewhat optimized for: feature phones and smartphones with small non-touch screens.
Most smartphones with a 4"+ screen running Android or WP7 have 1400+ mAh batteries (the i4 and Droid X also have 1400, Galaxy S and Incredible have 1500). That's why the battery life is bad.
And it's also the reason why I've never really given the phone much consideration - the battery and the TFT LCD screen they used on it.
That being said, the battery life depends on you usage. When I used my HD2 as myprimary device the battery life was terrible. Once I got my Vibrant and used it only as a PMP, the battery life was terrific because it didn't have a SIM Card and I only used it on WiFi and to play Music and Videos.
But people who use Curve 3Gs as their primary devices and are constantly BBMing and/or SMSing people in addition to calls report days-worth of uptime (emphasis on the plural).
My battery life is on par with what it was on android (about 12-16 hours with moderate usage of web, email, facebook, and heavy twitter) and its configured the same was as my android:
1) wifi is on when I need it (maybe 20-45 minutes a day for some marketplace downloads or something)
2) location is always on
3) screen is set to manual, low and 3 minute time-out
4) I have 3 IMAP email accounts that check between every 15 minutes and every 30 minutes.
5) I have a VERY active twitter account that updates every few minutes (not sure exactly as it doesn't appear to be live tile integrated)
6) facebook and google sync
7) HTC HUB is usually running updating the weather and stocks as often as it likes
8) dark brown theme
9) ringer off and no haptic feedback
Hope that helps anyone.
I do agree that the HTC supplied battery is sub-standard. Does anyone know where I can see what the battery percentage is acutally at? I only have the icon in the top right.
Just as a bit of information, my HD7 gets significantly better battery life than my sister's Galaxy phone. Also, those of you removing the SIM, make sure you also enable airplane mode, incase the phone continues to still search for signal... Battery size isn't as important as power management, though I do agree I wish we had a bigger battery on our HD7s... we might have sacrificed a little space for it though...
I think the battery meter is off. After about an hour of playing with Netflix, Zune and watching videos with the ign app my battery meter indicated that I had a lil juice left. I went to sleep without charging the phone. I was sure it would be dead when I woke but it wasn't. I was able to get about 2 more hrs out of it while using the Zune player streaming a playlist I saw.
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There is no third party multi-tasking in WP7 and Android Users usually have more apps/services updating stuff in the background. Yes, WP7 will get better battery life than lots of Android Phones and even theHD2 with the same battery in it due to that simple fact along, nevermind all the other exceptions and the obvious disclaimer: different use patterns are different.
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There is no third party multi-tasking in WP7 and Android Users usually have more apps/services updating stuff in the background. Yes, WP7 will get better battery life than lots of Android Phones and even theHD2 with the same battery in it due to that simple fact along, nevermind all the other exceptions and the obvious disclaimer: different use patterns are different.
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I have ATK or whatever it is installed on her phone, not sure if the AMOLED screen uses more juice though
Don't get me started on task killers and android. ATK may be causing the poor battery life. Those process and apps you think your killing are just gonna restart and cause more battery drain. Android does not need task killers. I suggest trying auto killer wich tweaks androids internal memory management to be more or less aggrsive. Phone must be rooted though.
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Don't get me started on task killers and android. ATK may be causing the poor battery life. Those process and apps you think your killing are just gonna restart and cause more battery drain. Android does not need task killers. I suggest trying auto killer wich tweaks androids internal memory management to be more or less aggrsive. Phone must be rooted though.
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I won't have much luck with that lol, her phone, her rules... I might convince her some day though
Since I'm going to buy it today, I have some questions about Defy+.
1. Does it shoot HD videos
2. How's the display in sunlight
3. How's battery life under normal, non hard usage
4. Any known issues?
1. Yes, after applying the 720p patch and build_prop.
2. Display is ok not so bad. Under a direct bright sunlight always give you headache no matter how good the screen is.
3. Should be around 48hrs under normal usage, but can go further if lowering clocking and Vsel.
4. Earpiece breakdown. Should be fixed for the Defy plus. Still recommended setting the earpiece volume below 12.
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Ok, so I bought it - it's quite a nice phone. I little slow...
And here's my first problem - the market updated, and now I can't download any apps, except via WiFi. On 2G/3G - it starts and a "!" sign appears in the notification bar and nothing happens. Tried cleaning market's cache - no good?
Any suggestions?
Edit-data saver was On not used to that.
After one day of usage I have some more questions:
1. I've installed Sygic Aura and even though it's not running, in battery usage it says 98% for it, and 4 hours after unplugging the charger I'm on 90% without any heavy usage.
2. Considering the low battery life - is there a way, or rom, which is AOSP or deblured, as you say, and how to install it
3. As I didn't create a motoblur account, it says that I can't check for updates - is there a workaround
4. Even though I don't have a motoblur account, there are a huge amount of even foreground motoblur processes that obviously eat my battery
My previous phone was with a 1500mAh battery and lasted longer than 2 days. This one can't cope with 1, with the same usage....
More asking soon
after my adventure with the broken defy1 (defy minus) i should walk past the plus now,
but there is no other decent screen/ big battery/ 2.3/ and acceptable price,
there is the xperia ray, but its smaller and not rugged
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After one day of usage I have some more questions:
1. I've installed Sygic Aura and even though it's not running, in battery usage it says 98% for it, and 4 hours after unplugging the charger I'm on 90% without any heavy usage.
2. Considering the low battery life - is there a way, or rom, which is AOSP or deblured, as you say, and how to install it
3. As I didn't create a motoblur account, it says that I can't check for updates - is there a workaround
4. Even though I don't have a motoblur account, there are a huge amount of even foreground motoblur processes that obviously eat my battery
My previous phone was with a 1500mAh battery and lasted longer than 2 days. This one can't cope with 1, with the same usage....
More asking soon
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There's a lot of ways you can tweak and customise your new Defy to maximise the battery life. Some stock roms came with no blur and some custom roms came with overclock enabled. 3G/2G selection too playing big role in battery consumption as well as having data background auto sync. And knowing which app you must remove/freeze permanently is a way to avoid them from silently running in the background.
And since it is new, it must take a few charging cycle of the battery before it can be deemed working in full capacity.
Hello,
I want to know if my experience is common or not. I had my phone at ~90% and changed it to airplane mode to try and conserve battery while I went snowboarding. Got back to the phone about 7 hours later and it was dead. Plugged it in and turned it on and found out that "NFC Service" took up 80% of my battery for those 5 hours. When I turn NFC off this does not show in the battery log, but I don't want a major potential feature of this phone to be unusable. Anyone else experience NFC destroying their battery?
Thanks.
I am noticing my Galaxy Nexus not lasting as much as my Rezound did, but it had a larger extended battery. I also use Ultimate Juice to enable / disable my internet connection. So with my extended battery + ultimate juice + brightness on 30% or so I still have 29% battery after a full 25 hours. I would just disable NFC because I do not see it in my battery usage. It is only useful for Google Wallet, and wireless charging (correct me if im wrong).
I use the NFC quite frequently during the day by having various profiles set up around my house, and my battery seems to be fine. Are you using a custom rom or kernel? If the NFC battery issues always occur, I would try reflashing your Nexus. Seeing as NFC itself doesn't eat a significant amount of power, I would guess that the Android OS is being kept awake by the process.
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Well I got annoyed and was one day from the end of my return window so I went to Verizon and told them I wanted another phone. They gave in and I just got the new one. Hoping the phone was the problem. I was unrooted with 4.0.2 installed. I don't have a huge need for NFC, but I don't like to think a feature of the phone was completely useless to me when I have seen others who leave it on with no ill effects.
Thanks
With these larger screens and powerful processors, I can't say I'm totally surprised at the lower battery life compared to all the iPhones. They have smaller screens and the O/S is more tightly controlled and optimized for the hardware to maximize battery life.
With that said, I must admit, I'm somewhat disappointed with the battery life on this S3. I've now had it for two weeks so after lots of tweaking, rooting, apps installs and configs, battery and task monitoring, etc, I've kind of settled into my normal usage pattern which is typically pretty easy on the phone as more than 50% of the time I'm working from my home office with the phone plugged into USB so it is rare I have to leave in the morning and go the whole day without having to eventually sit back down at my computer and plug the phone back in.
However on the weekends, with kids sports and such, I'm now seeing the limitations on battery life on this phone. I have it set to:
Auto Display Brightness
No updating of apps unless on WiFi
GPS and Wifi turned off when I leave the houose (automatically via Llama - I turn them on only when I need them)
Power Saver Mode, all options except CPU power saving checked. (Kind of bought the phone for fast CPU although I'm not a gamer - just a multitasker and web browser)
Auto Screen Tone Turned On
Most other specific apps that have option to not download data except wifi I have that option turned on (aside from Taptu news feeds - 2 hour updates and Alerts from ESPN ScoreCenter - get maybe a couple alerts every few hours)
Haptic feedback turned off
Here's where I was shocked. First time I did some serious browsing was in a movie theater where I got there early and had about 20 min to burn so I did constant web browsing over the LTE connection. Watched batter plummet about 15% in 15 min. Whoa!
So is this just "how it is" with this phone that heavy LTE data usage eats battery like no tomorrow?
Other thing I noticed, is Using GSam, I see a task usually being in the top 3 or 4 most of the time with around 15-20% of the App Battery Usage total. It's called "System (*wakelock*)" and when I look at properties it shows around 6-8 wakelocks and Included Packages is just one "PowerAMP Full Version Unlocker" Included Processes: *wakelock* and com.maxmpx.audioplayer. But this is when I'm not using PowerAMP. In fact it happens after phone has been rebooted and I have never launched PowerAMP once!
I did notice something similar on the HTC One X+ I tried then exchanged for the S3 where I found a task associated with beats audio was eating up CPU/Battery when no music app was open as if it was periodically scanning my large MP3 library of 2,600 songs. Maybe PowerAmp is doing something similar?
I've found I'm not the only one noticing this:
http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/topic/2662-battery-drain/
Well, first off, i think the main reason why the iPhone gets better battery life isn't because of the smaller screen or iOS being "optimized for the hardware". It's probably more due to the fact that it doesn't really run much of anything in the background. Very few apps actually continue to run when you leave them. It's kind of a pseudo-multitasking environment.
As for the S3's battery life.... it could be PowerAmp causing it. I also don't see why you'd want to keep power saving on the CPU off. It doesn't really seem to have that much of an impact on performance that i've seen while generally using the phone for web browsing and such. And no matter what phone you're on, LTE will kill the battery in no time flat.
I think you should give some time to settle your battery first...even after flashing a new rom its take couple of days for the battery to settle down. The first day i used my phone, the battery doed in 4 hours...now after 4 months it lasts for 15-16 hrs of normal to heavy use.
LTE does eat lots of battery, whenever i go in LTE area i have to switch my data off to keep my phone alive. That's why people like to have the ability to switch between LTE and HSPA+. Search to find that mod.
You can never compare iPhone with S3. As the above poster said, there is no multitasking in iPhones. The screen is small and not as good as S3. SAMLOED screen takes lots of battery.
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I think you should give some time to settle your battery first...even after flashing a new rom its take couple of days for the battery to settle down. The first day i used my phone, the battery doed in 4 hours...now after 4 months it lasts for 15-16 hrs of normal to heavy use.
LTE does eat lots of battery, whenever i go in LTE area i have to switch my data off to keep my phone alive. That's why people like to have the ability to switch between LTE and HSPA+. Search to find that mod.
You can never compare iPhone with S3. As the above poster said, there is no multitasking in iPhones. The screen is small and not as good as S3. SAMLOED screen takes lots of battery.
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I totally agree with you. You have to give it time to settle in. You can also run a battery calibration to try and help as well. I have LTE here in Omaha and I usually get at least 15 hours before I need to charge my battery. I have a QCell battery and it works awesome.
I will live with the battery life so I can actually see the screen without having to squint my eyes. I used to have an iPhone as well but that was years ago now and Android will always be the best.
Don't get me wrong, as a "Power User" coming from the iOS Jailbreak world, hardware and customization-wise, I love this phone a lot more than I like my iPhone - but mostly it's the big screen that I'm enjoying. Have had a couple crashes in the first two weeks which never happened in iOS but no biggie.
So I suspect its primarily the LTE, but combined with large screen, true multitasking O/S, etc, obviously battery life is a challenge. I would slightly criticize Samsung for maybe being a little too obsessed with keeping the phone thin. I know you can buy the bigger batteries with a replacement cover but that looks like it really adds major thickness to phone. They should have went for a 2500-2700 mah battery and increased the thickness slightly IMHO.
But hey, at least the battery is removable. So I can spend little money and get a QCell, charge it and keep it in my car or on my desk and if I know I'm not going to be able to charge the phone all day, just pop the extra battery in my jacket pocket.
The LTE usage is a bit of a mystery to me. You would figure, with LTE, you can download files faster so you spend less time actually using the phone. But obviously it appears the energy consumption is trumping the increased efficiency in data transfer! Too bad.
Why the battery 'breaks in' over time is even more of a mystery. This latest battery technology should not have any sort of break-in or memory issues. But I'm no battery expert. But my gut says there's something else at play. I've seen many threads over past couple of years that discuss an issue relating to Android doing some sort of "media scan" after boot and/or periodically. Maybe the battery break-in is more about the databases the O/S is creating and updating in the background "settling down" more than anything to do with the characteristics of the physical battery changing?
One thing is for certain though, battery life IS a common issue for most higher-end Android smartphone users. Not a deal breaker in the least for me, but will be interesting to see how the phone "seasons" over time regarding battery. I used Titanium Backup to freeze Power Amp and downloaded N7 instead just to rule Power Amp out. I just took a 1.5 hour shopping trip. Didn't use LTE data. But spent about 45 minutes at the grocery store using their wifi to access all my coupons and shopping lists. Battery was 97% when I left house, 77% when I got home. Ouch. Well, that was probably more like a 2 hour round trip. Still 20% in 2 hours is not good especially considering I had 0 talk time and wasn't using LTE data.
The crazy thing is, Gsam says 12% screen, 86% apps. Under apps it says 23.6% Kernel, 19.3% Media, 19.3% N7 Player!!! And I didn't play any music!!!! This is leading me more and more to believe this all has something to do with having an extremely large music collection (2600 songs) on the phone and the phone is building a database and it just takes time. Pure guess.
Get his app disable autostart of the applications that are not needed. Also, get betterbatterystats to get a more detailed idea of whats going on with your phone.
how bad is your battery life? fwiw my wife's iPhone 5 gets horrendous battery life. makes the s3 look like a miser.
16 - 20 hours would be reasonable IMHO, or a average drain of 4-5% per hour. assuming you're actually using the thing... I never understood people who cripple the thing and never touch it in order to get max life.
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how bad is your battery life? fwiw my wife's iPhone 5 gets horrendous battery life. makes the s3 look like a miser.
16 - 20 hours would be reasonable IMHO, or a average drain of 4-5% per hour. assuming you're actually using the thing... I never understood people who cripple the thing and never touch it in order to get max life.
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Iphone5 has a bigger screen then previous apples and it's also Lte. It's multitask has been improved too. It's not a secret its battery life plummeted.
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You know when someone pushes away an iPhone groupy I'm pretty sympathetic but this post is just a noob rage idiotic post. I didn't even read through all your points but will just say you need to spend more time learning
-there is autobrightness on root (and non rooted) and in fact autobrightness doesn't necessarily save battery...as much utiltiy as having say a brightness notification in the app bar or something like lux that allows you to control brigntness by environment/app etc
-it says nothing of what you have running in the background, spam apps, wakelocks etc (bbs) The fact your apps and music is taking up more battery than say cell tower stanbdy and screen display is an obvious red flag
- says nothing of how you checked your connections and how reception is in your area
Another point is the iphone 4 and 5 are MUCH thicker than the galaxy s3...they hold relative to the backgroudn processes etc running, a much larger and thicker battery. The same physical thickness of the s3 battery you could buy a battery with nearly twice as much juice.
We dont' know how you optimized your phone for your uses or whether you cleaned up processes, apps etc, how cleanly you flashed. Go and learn then come back and cry
Wow.... you tell him to learn then come back and cry.... say it's a "noob rage idiotic post".... and yet:
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Other thing I noticed, is Using GSam, I see a task usually being in the top 3 or 4 most of the time with around 15-20% of the App Battery Usage total. It's called "System (*wakelock*)" and when I look at properties it shows around 6-8 wakelocks and Included Packages is just one "PowerAMP Full Version Unlocker" Included Processes: *wakelock* and com.maxmpx.audioplayer. But this is when I'm not using PowerAMP. In fact it happens after phone has been rebooted and I have never launched PowerAMP once!
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I'm sorry... but exactly what did he not mention about wakelock's?
You obviously didn't read the first sentence of my second most before you posted this, which said:
Don't get me wrong, as a "Power User" coming from the iOS Jailbreak world, hardware and customization-wise, I love this phone a lot more than I like my iPhone
I know all about Better Battery Stats, bla bla bla. I'm no idiot. Just giving some initial impressions and asking for a little further guidance.
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You know when someone pushes away an iPhone groupy I'm pretty sympathetic but this post is just a noob rage idiotic post. I didn't even read through all your points but will just say you need to spend more time learning
-there is autobrightness on root (and non rooted) and in fact autobrightness doesn't necessarily save battery...as much utiltiy as having say a brightness notification in the app bar or something like lux that allows you to control brigntness by environment/app etc
-it says nothing of what you have running in the background, spam apps, wakelocks etc (bbs) The fact your apps and music is taking up more battery than say cell tower stanbdy and screen display is an obvious red flag
- says nothing of how you checked your connections and how reception is in your area
Another point is the iphone 4 and 5 are MUCH thicker than the galaxy s3...they hold relative to the backgroudn processes etc running, a much larger and thicker battery. The same physical thickness of the s3 battery you could buy a battery with nearly twice as much juice.
We dont' know how you optimized your phone for your uses or whether you cleaned up processes, apps etc, how cleanly you flashed. Go and learn then come back and cry
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Well here's an update. As I mentioned, I froze PowerAmp and installed N7 instead. I could have swore I reset the GSAM battery monitor, AFTER N7 scanned all my media files. Yet once again, like PowerAmp (via System *wakelock*) N7 was third highest battery eater over 2 hours of "normal" usage WITHOUT LTE Data Use, only Wifi and NO TALK TIME and WITHOUT USING N7!
So I dumped N7 and installed Player Pro. Just went out again for 2 hours to my son's basketball practice. Spent the 1.5 hour practice reading e-mail and doing some web surfing ALL ON LTE! Battery went down like no more than 10% !! At the beginning of the practice I played a song in Player Pro for a few seconds then backed out of the app. Checked GSAM 2 hours later, no significant PlayerPro battery usage!
It is more and more looking like something is going on with PowerAmp and N7 regarding cataloging of large music collections. So I'll stick with Player Pro and see how things go over the next few days.
Thanks to those with the constructive criticism. This has been one of the pluses of moving to Android. There's a lot larger population of "Power Users" than on iPhone that are willing to help someone relatively new to the platform.
yea... that's the one thing i had a feeling it might have been doing, but wasn't exactly sure as i've never really been that media-crazy with my phones. Good to see that you found the issue, though.
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Why the battery 'breaks in' over time is even more of a mystery. This latest battery technology should not have any sort of break-in or memory issues. But I'm no battery expert. But my gut says there's something else at play.
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Yeah, "battery break-in" is a bit of a misnomer. What's actually happening is that the stats the OS keeps on the battery capacity and usage are being rebuilt. It takes a few charge cycles for your system to "learn" what it needs to accurately show you remaining capacity, etc.
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So I dumped N7 and installed Player Pro. Just went out again for 2 hours to my son's basketball practice. Spent the 1.5 hour practice reading e-mail and doing some web surfing ALL ON LTE! Battery went down like no more than 10% !! At the beginning of the practice I played a song in Player Pro for a few seconds then backed out of the app. Checked GSAM 2 hours later, no significant PlayerPro battery usage!
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Good move! I use PlayerPro and I love it. It's one of my few "must haves", not least of which is its ability to sync ratings back to iTunes with iSyncr. None of the other major players have this. This is important for me as I'm also an iOS refugee and I still have all my music in iTunes.
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Well here's an update. As I mentioned, I froze PowerAmp and installed N7 instead. I could have swore I reset the GSAM battery monitor, AFTER N7 scanned all my media files. Yet once again, like PowerAmp (via System *wakelock*) N7 was third highest battery eater over 2 hours of "normal" usage WITHOUT LTE Data Use, only Wifi and NO TALK TIME and WITHOUT USING N7!
So I dumped N7 and installed Player Pro. Just went out again for 2 hours to my son's basketball practice. Spent the 1.5 hour practice reading e-mail and doing some web surfing ALL ON LTE! Battery went down like no more than 10% !! At the beginning of the practice I played a song in Player Pro for a few seconds then backed out of the app. Checked GSAM 2 hours later, no significant PlayerPro battery usage!
It is more and more looking like something is going on with PowerAmp and N7 regarding cataloging of large music collections. So I'll stick with Player Pro and see how things go over the next few days.
Thanks to those with the constructive criticism. This has been one of the pluses of moving to Android. There's a lot larger population of "Power Users" than on iPhone that are willing to help someone relatively new to the platform.
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power user here too coming from iphone 3g, 3gs, 4 to samsung skyrocket, note, nexus to the current at&t sgs3. all have been jailbroken and rooted for "customization" purposes and the first thing i noticed going to the android phones was how poor the battery life was when compared to any iOS device; even when the devices were stock. I can deal with it because of how much customization i can do with android that i can't do on iOS so for that reason alone i stick with android. and also nothing apple has done has impressed me with their iPhone series yet. might pick up an iPad mini retina one day :laugh:
anyways, back to your battery issue. have you tried going to stock rom or formatting just to make sure its not a hardware issue? i know for mine, one time my data partition that had my music had some corrupt file that had the media scanner always running and killing my battery. i had tried everything and there was no way that in 8 hrs i'd have < 30% left with no usage. i finally deleted and formatted everything, went to pure stock with no files except for my contacts and no email sync. then i got 15 to 20 hours... that's usual for the sgs3, a tad less than my old iphone 4. that told me my battery wasn't bad.
i ended up keeping an eye on wakelocks and re-installing all my apps and putting all my music back on and my battery issue dissapeared and i'm happy. still have poweramp installed, but moved to using google music for cloud and local music. what made me really happy was going to a hyperion battery and the slimmer extended sedio case for 2 to 3 days of battery life on this sucker for a decent price. :good: still have the stock batter for backup too!
I'm not on a Custom ROM. Just rooted.
I installed Better Battery Stats to see how it worked. Don't like it as much as GSAM. Seems you can get a bit lower-level process info upfront, but the graphing is barely readable and it doesn't show percent usage of battery for each process. Just number of s(econds) and blue and red line? Maybe I'm missing a setting? I think BBS may be popular as maybe it existed before GSAM (formerly Badass Battery Monitor I think) or maybe there is just something about BBS that I haven't realized yet is a major advantage over GSAM? They both do the job. Sorry for going off on a tangent.
The process hogging the battery the most now is Google Maps and I know from searching and reading this is VERY common. It can be related to ANY app wanting to poll your location. I'm not yet sure though if the usage is excessive. Looks like not. I turned off all of the Location settings in Maps (but left "Location and Google search" in main Location Setting ON as I read that really defeats a lot of functionality. Google Now wasn't happy I turned of Location History (in Maps) but I still get the current commute times and local weather on my Google Now so I have yet to discover any big disadvantage of turning off most (not all) of the Location settings in Maps if you don't want to share your location or see your location history.
Apparently Google Now and potentially other apps like Facebook, etc. want to use Google Maps to poll where you are. One user said turning off History helped on the battery - makes sense as now Google Now isn't constantly trying to see where you are even if the phone is just sitting on your nightstand! I hate that big brother feeling so anytime an app has an option to turn location awareness off, I usually use it. When I go to use Maps I just turn the GPS on. But I still need to learn what I'm missing out on, when turning off some of these settings. Now I'd like to figure out how to get GPS to turn on automatically any time Maps is manually launched and then turned off automatically anytime maps is closed! That would be nice. Surprised that function isn't built-in to Android as opposed to just prompting you to take you to settings. Guess I may have to break down and learn how to code in Tasker instead of using Llama for my automation needs.
I've left the phone unplugged for what, 8 hours now. Very light usage today. I'm at 80%. BBS is showing 3.5%/hour. That's 28 hours. But like I said, no talk time on the phone today, a half dozen texts, no web browsing and maybe 30 min of total app usage so I would expect 3.5%/hour.
Bottom line is it looks like I don't have any major issues like I had on the stupid HTC One X+ that was getting hot. Seems like the media player switch is what did the trick. I'm just curious why apps as popular as N7 and PowerAmp would be any different. It could have been just timing in that I switch to Pro Player about the time the O/S was done doing it cataloging of the media or whatever it does. I'm sure 2,600 high bitrate songs (14GB) of songs on the sdcard is pretty above average for your typical Android User. Wish there was more in-depth technical documentation on some of these processes though published by Google for us Power Users to read if so desired. Guess that's why we have XDA Forum.
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Duh, just saw the first condition in Llama is "Active Application" the problem is, I only want the GPS to turn on when I manually launch the app myself. I hope an app trying to use Maps in the background doesn't trigger the GPS on. Guess I'll find out.
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I forgot why this isn't possible. Google doesn't want to allow ANY apps to turn GPS on/off automatically due to privacy issues. Is there a setting to let the user decide this? Make me feel like they're treating me like an idiot!
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It seems my Z Fold 4 is draining battery charge faster then I perceive it should be. I lose 1% as soon as I take it off the charger, that to on standby. I have put the apps that are most in use by me under deep sleep, brightness less than 50% (around 30%), Always On Display off. However, the battery is draining out fast. I had to charge the phone twice today (just to add, I have set the max charge limit to 85%). Is there a way to optimise the battery to output better performance?
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Likely a cloud* app like Google backup Transport doing it. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services as Backup Transport is a dependency of it. See what it does.
Try in safe mode to rule out 3rd party apps as a cause. All Samsung's shoud be optimized.
*no SD card makes you dependent on cloud storage which uses a lot of battery. The other option is OTG flashsticks for storage. A raw deal. Google wants to force you to need their cloud services. Same crap MS did years ago.
This is one reason I run 2 N10+'s; one has 1.5tb of storage. The only cloud app I use is Gmail for security reasons.
FalconFulcrum said:
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It seems my Z Fold 4 is draining battery charge faster then I perceive it should be. I lose 1% as soon as I take it off the charger, that to on standby. I have put the apps that are most in use by me under deep sleep, brightness less than 50% (around 30%), Always On Display off. However, the battery is draining out fast. I had to charge the phone twice today (just to add, I have set the max charge limit to 85%). Is there a way to optimise the battery to output better performance?
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I find the standby on the ZF4 to be one of the best I've had. Overnight it can go 12 hours and only be down 4 percent. A quick question - did you transfer data from your old phone to the ZF4?
ggrant3876 said:
I find the standby on the ZF4 to be one of the best I've had. Overnight it can go 12 hours and only be down 4 percent. A quick question - did you transfer data from your old phone to the ZF4?
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Hi, thanks for the reply.
I probably lose 5% to 6% on standby overnight. But when I start using the phone it starts to discharge quickly (from my perspective), and no I did not transfer anything from my old phone (Note 8).
FalconFulcrum said:
Hi, thanks for the reply.
I probably lose 5% to 6% on standby overnight. But when I start using the phone it starts to discharge quickly (from my perspective), and no I did not transfer anything from my old phone (Note 8).
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I've not noticed a quick discharge even while using the phone and I'm a moderate to heavy user. You could download GSAM Battery Monitor Pro and with a couple adb commands enable "app sucker" that will tell you exactly what apps are the ones eating your battery. You can do the same with what is already on your phone but IMHO GSAM is much better.
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I've not noticed a quick discharge even while using the phone and I'm a moderate to heavy user. You could download GSAM Battery Monitor Pro and with a couple adb commands enable "app sucker" that will tell you exactly what apps are the ones eating your battery. You can do the same with what is already on your phone but IMHO GSAM is much better.
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The only apps with high usage are YouTube, which I use regularly on daily basis, and Samsung's UI.
blackhawk said:
Likely a cloud* app like Google backup Transport doing it. Try temporarily disabling Google play Services as Backup Transport is a dependency of it. See what it does.
Try in safe mode to rule out 3rd party apps as a cause. All Samsung's shoud be optimized.
*no SD card makes you dependent on cloud storage which uses a lot of battery. The other option is OTG flashsticks for storage. A raw deal. Google wants to force you to need their cloud services. Same crap MS did years ago.
This is one reason I run 2 N10+'s; one has 1.5tb of storage. The only cloud app I use is Gmail for security reasons.
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No SD card really doesn't make us rely on cloud storage, having a 1tb version available should work for most people and thats what i bought with my s22 ultra and fold 4. I certainly wouldn't complain if they brought it back though, still have my note 20 ultra and its handy to have.
force70 said:
No SD card really doesn't make us rely on cloud storage, having a 1tb version available should work for most people and thats what i bought with my s22 ultra and fold 4. I certainly wouldn't complain if they brought it back though, still have my note 20 ultra and its handy to have.
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A boot loop, system crash, forced factory reset will make you wish that data had been on a SD card. Worse to reload 400+gb of data takes hours instead of slamming the card in. I need 1tb for data, don't want apps crowding it out.
Everything I need for a full reload including installable apps are on my SD card. No PC or internet needed.
Dual drive machines are the only way to roll. The SD card is the data drive; all critical data goes here. Only apps, the download and the DCIM* folders go on internal memory. Then the data drive is regularly and redundantly backed up to hdds.
*backed to the data drive regularly
Possibly 120ghz refresh?? As long as I'm not constantly use mine its pretty good on its battery, the Hotspot does some damage tho so if I can I started using USB tethering, but there could be something with the ui5 sense I'm constantly cleaning my ram!!
blackhawk said:
A boot loop, system crash, forced factory reset will make you wish that data had been on a SD card. Worse to reload 400+gb of data takes hours instead of slamming the card in. I need 1tb for data, don't want apps crowding it out.
Everything I need for a full reload including installable apps are on my SD card. No PC or internet needed.
Dual drive machines are the only way to roll. The SD card is the data drive; all critical data goes here. Only apps, the download and the DCIM* folders go on internal memory. Then the data drive is regularly and redundantly backed up to hdds.
*backed to the data drive regularly
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Totally agree with most of that but the sad reailty is there are very few flagships with sd slots now. I use a portable SSD for backups which i do weekly so i wouldn't lose much if my phone died. I have 530gb or so of data on it and with the ssd speeds only takes maybe an hour or so to transfer. Still id love to have a 512gb sd card AND 1tb of internal storage lol
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Totally agree with most of that but the sad reailty is there are very few flagships with sd slots now. I use a portable SSD for backups which i do weekly so i wouldn't lose much if my phone died. I have 530gb or so of data on it and with the ssd speeds only takes maybe an hour or so to transfer. Still id love to have a 512gb sd card AND 1tb of internal storage lol
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That's one reason why I'm running two N10+'s.
500gb internal plus a 1tb SD card on one, the other is 256gb internal. They get at least 11 hours SOT, up to 13 hours. One is running on Pie the other 10; no active scoped storage. They run like bats out of hell. Just well balanced work horses with an excellent form factor; more importantly they fulfill their mission. Something Samsung seems to have forgotten how to do.
In 10 years I've never been so displeased with Samsung's current flagship product line for 3 years running now. So I just keep running the N10+'s; bought the second one a year ago. Don't have much faith in Samsung anymore and the lack of a solid flagship to effectively replace to N10+ led to that decision. That decision was couple to Google Android 11 being a dog. 12 is worse and 13 looks like another fubar as well.
Maybe in another 3 years... sadly if I had to buy a new flagship phone today, it still be a N10+ Snapdragon. Same experience with the now discontinued Buds+; nothing in Samsung's current Buds lineup is a drop in equal replacement. Everything Samsung now has seems to be a battery hog. That's not progress.
i don't know about you guys, but i am loving my Fold 4.
the camera is a little bit tricky to use and i feel like i am missing some tips and tricks.... but in the end... i am glad that i got this phone.
FalconFulcrum said:
Hi,
It seems my Z Fold 4 is draining battery charge faster then I perceive it should be. I lose 1% as soon as I take it off the charger, that to on standby. I have put the apps that are most in use by me under deep sleep, brightness less than 50% (around 30%), Always On Display off. However, the battery is draining out fast. I had to charge the phone twice today (just to add, I have set the max charge limit to 85%). Is there a way to optimise the battery to output better performance?
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Im having the same issue like yours. I lose 1% after I unplugged the cable charge and became 84%
Unplugged 5AM used for music for 1 hour lose 5% then left idle for 5 hours drains from 95% to 80% nothing seems to be draining it wifi etc off all apps closed sleeping apps etc.
cooldude20000 said:
Unplugged 5AM used for music for 1 hour lose 5% then left idle for 5 hours drains from 95% to 80% nothing seems to be draining it wifi etc off all apps closed sleeping apps etc.
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Just updated to Android 13 UI 5.0 about a week ago and was leary of the update because of all the problems with BT and battery I've read about. My experience is completely different, not a single issue to report. I can unplug the phone when I go to bed and in the morning after returning from the gym approximately 10 hours it has only dropped 4 percent. Just about the same as Android 12 or maybe a little better.
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Just updated to Android 13 UI 5.0 about a week ago and was leary of the update because of all the problems with BT and battery I've read about. My experience is completely different, not a single issue to report. I can unplug the phone when I go to bed and in the morning after returning from the gym approximately 10 hours it has only dropped 4 percent. Just about the same as Android 12 or maybe a little better.
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I had the blutooth issues with my Tesla. The January security update fixed my issues at least.
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I had the blutooth issues with my Tesla. The January security update fixed my issues at least.
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I got Android 13 and the January security update together. Using a Samsung unlocked on the T-Mobile network and didn’t get Android 13 until more than a month after it was released.
iganster said:
Im having the same issue like yours. I lose 1% after I unplugged the cable charge and became 84%
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I resolved this issue by uninstalling Samsung bloatware. Don't know which one actually helped. Now the phone holds 100% charge for significant duration but only when idle. Anything major like a phone call would drain 1% to 2% - depending on the duration of the call - of battery. Overnight it loses about 4% to 5% with Wifi on.
Can you mention which bloatware needs to uninstall in order to save battery?
iganster said:
Can you mention which bloatware needs to uninstall in order to save battery?
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I've debloated quite a few with no issues at all. Here's my lists.
Samsung Fold 4 Debloat
Hey guys has anyone used "ADB AppControl" to debloat app/programs on the Fold 4 yet or even tried this link with the lists they name to debloat...
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