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Hacking the Sony Liveview

Despite the bad reviews I picked up a Liveview yesterday. Was $50 brand new off Craigslist. And surprise surprise, it turned out to be a turd. Well, I don't like to waste money, so I set about modding it. Thought some people here might be interested to see what I did.
So far I've waterproofed the case. Next I'll be building a better strap, one that doesn't make it huge or block the USB port. http://www.jax184.com/projects/liveview/liveview.html has everything I've done so far on it.

Nice i got that thing and it "worked" but still with the having to restart it all the time was very annoying but i ended up sending mine back

So I've been using the Liveview for a couple days, or at least trying to. Even after doing a full reset of the device, reinstalling the software on my phone and removing all the plugins, it has a battery life of about 6-8 hours. In that time I turned the screen on twice, and it briefly lit up to tell me of an incoming call. No texts, no alerts, and I don't have farcebook/twatter/etc turned on. It sat 2 feet from my phone the entire time. If I actually try to use the damn thing to, say, control the media player, the battery goes dead in 2 to 3 hours.
Pathetic...
I've decided I'm going to build it into a custom case for a friend of mine with a much larger battery, since the stock one is completely and utterly useless. So much for my gasket job...

Not sure if the battery is just dying on yours or what but if I never touch the screen, mine lasts for a couple days at least (and that's with alerts!). Sad to hear yours has issues :\

Mine's brand new and running the latest firmware/software with the bare minimum of functionality enabled, so I'm as confused as you.

I have a liveview and i absolutely love it. I dont have any connection issues but i mostly just use it as a watch with out having it connected over bluetooth and the battery lasts for days when i do that. I do have an issue now where i dropped it and the select button on top doesnt work anymore

Can I connect multiple liveviews to my phone?
I just bought 4 of them for $15 a pop !! Sweet
I know I can use it with torque which is cool
what else can I do with them? Can I run album art to it from say player pro? or Pocket Casts?
is there a decent list somewhere of "interesting" things you can do with the little buggers?

Hi, do someone know the dimensions of the battery, because i have one with death batt. and need a replacement.

nice mod! Based on the pictures I can see the battery size in case I need to replace it, by the way using notifications my watch last 2.5 days, using a plugin last only 30minutes or less

nerys71 said:
Can I connect multiple liveviews to my phone?
I know I can use it with torque which is cool
what else can I do with them? Can I run album art to it from say player pro? or Pocket Casts?
is there a decent list somewhere of "interesting" things you can do with the little buggers?
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+1 I just got one for $15, I wanna find some cool things I can do with it. What have you done to set yours up?

its a pain in the freaking butt. cool potential poor execution.
it constantly gets disconnected when something goes wrong ON THE DROID SIDE. terminating the app and relaunching it solves the problem for X period of time (few hours ??)
the most convenient access is also the worst designed. the watch band. YOU CAN NOT CHARGE IT WHILE IN THE WATCH BAND.
what freaking moron though that was a good idea to force us to remove it (VERY difficult) to charge it.
if the software bugs get worked out I may look into modding the stinking socket so I can charge it while in watch mode (thinking of RIVETING the case to the band) then I won't need the little watch pin thingy that is keeping me from charging it while its in the watch band.
and there is just not that many "cool" apps to use for it yet or the few out their are poorly executed.
how hard can it be to reliably push the freaking album art to the watch ?

nerys71 said:
its a pain in the freaking butt. cool potential poor execution.
it constantly gets disconnected when something goes wrong ON THE DROID SIDE. terminating the app and relaunching it solves the problem for X period of time (few hours ??)
the most convenient access is also the worst designed. the watch band. YOU CAN NOT CHARGE IT WHILE IN THE WATCH BAND.
what freaking moron though that was a good idea to force us to remove it (VERY difficult) to charge it.
if the software bugs get worked out I may look into modding the stinking socket so I can charge it while in watch mode (thinking of RIVETING the case to the band) then I won't need the little watch pin thingy that is keeping me from charging it while its in the watch band.
and there is just not that many "cool" apps to use for it yet or the few out their are poorly executed.
how hard can it be to reliably push the freaking album art to the watch ?
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Brother....
For disconnect issue , install this app
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ishii.app.liveviewcharm
Its really bad remove device all time from strap : (
Hope it help you

2 Generations of Liveviews
Just to be clear, there are 2 versions of this device floating about... The older one goes for around $20 and is not much more than a novelty... The newer model runs around $100 and seems to have fixed the battery life issue... One should look at the Pebble once it is available as a possible alternative...

openliveview
Drewmungus said:
+1 I just got one for $15, I wanna find some cool things I can do with it. What have you done to set yours up?
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I started creating a usable gui for the openliveview project. Theo openliveview project is an open source reimplementation Of the liveview app.
You van follow the development in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1422106&page=26
Note: you have to uninstall the liveview app bevore you van install openliveview

probbiethe1 said:
I have a liveview and i absolutely love it. I dont have any connection issues but i mostly just use it as a watch with out having it connected over bluetooth and the battery lasts for days when i do that. I do have an issue now where i dropped it and the select button on top doesnt work anymore
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This might help you. It won't solve the issue of select button, but it'll help you read notifications.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40041226

Where can you find one for 15 bucks? Even if it did nothing, I'd want it for 15 bucks, just to have as a key for my phone using tasker. I supposed I could get any old bluetooth headset, but I wanted something wearable.

jadenguy said:
Where can you find one for 15 bucks? Even if it did nothing, I'd want it for 15 bucks, just to have as a key for my phone using tasker. I supposed I could get any old bluetooth headset, but I wanted something wearable.
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Yeah, $15 is AWESOME!
$18 with Free shipping on ebay buy it now is the best price I can find so far.
I bought four of them and donated 2 to the local hackerspace.
Would be wicked to control more than one at once. I'm trying to find some chick to wear two as earrings.
Perhaps one controlled with Sony app and one Open Liveview App each for one mac address.
Contrary to earlier post, I seem to be able to have both Sony and Openliveview apps installed at once (though haven't tried RUNNING both) yet.
My battery life across the two that I've evaluated and (a third I lost to the ocean) seems significantly better than the average reported above.
But a LOT of variables have changed since the OP. New firmware, new app, new phone, new bt stack, new android versions...
My impression IIRC is that this thing is ROCK SOLID on CyanogenMod7 or CM9 on evo 3d.

SONY's Smart watch review with Xperia Ion.

so i decided y not buy the smart watch since i already have the headset pro to see how this comes in handy.
So first of the smart watch and head set pro do the same sh*t, only difference besides there looks is the watch has more apps.
Now even thou they do mostly the same thing. The watch does work good in most part's. Easily with phone outta sight ,you can check your message ,fb,tw,Google ect and even check weather and answer calls. Control music and volume. I find all of this to work out pretty well when all 3 devices are snyc, phone,watch,headset.
The bad and good.
The watch when not in use goes into sleep mode ,so in order to see the time you gotta double tab screen. But you can switch options to different watch looks to keep the screen on according to movement . Thats kool and all but can kill battery life quick. I have no problem tapping lol.
one Down Fall i notice .
Even thou i can read txt message, set up a reply option or call, i wish i can actually type and reply from the damn watch itself
Good example, Google maps for the watch is one of the best application on here,keyboard pops up, easy to use. Type in any location from the watch easy have a gps on my hand only if it talked. So they could have easily done this for texting.
Using all 3 device in public like on bus or at work, works out very well for me. Only time you gotta pull ur phone is when its time to reply to a text and its so anyyoing knowing this watch can do so much more.
Well am not done with this review ill be back with more so i hope this helps out anyone even if your not interested. It's always good to have information Laying around in case lol.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
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Read a lot of reviews online about this and decided NOT to buy it. Horrible screen, clumsy to use, etc.

joe3681 said:
Read a lot of reviews online about this and decided NOT to buy it. Horrible screen, clumsy to use, etc.
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Ditto. Not because of quality, but function versus dollars. However I know there's 3rd party mods/apps for the watch, I'd like to hear more on those in execution.
Maybe Spectre can chime in too with his review.
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I really like the smart watch. I've used it numerous times to change ring volume to vibrate or silent, view text and emails without pulling my phone out. Its nice to be able to see whether an email it txt is important and needs a reply right away or not without getting your phone out.
Honestly you don't really think you would use it that much until you actually have it. My biggest complaint is that the watch screen isn't bright enough when in direct sunlight.
The google maps app is awesome. I haven't used a lot of the other third party apps.
I don't have a problem with how the phone functions as far as having to double tap the screen or push the side button to turn the screen on. Swiping is easy. The apps could use some more function like replies and stuff but honestly that's not really the idea behind it. Its quick access to view emails, txt, Facebook, twitter and other things without having to use the phone in hand and it does that real well.
Sent from my Sony Xperia™ TL

Just heard that apple is coming out with a smart watch version.
http://mobile.eweek.com/mobile/apple-intel-collaborating-on-smartwatch-report/
~Jaramie
sent by my ION

Yea I read bout it 3 months ago am not even worried , they got the stupid nano watch already it sucks compared to smart watch only for music and Sony already working on there new Smart watch idk if it's gona be called smart watch 2 or new name.
I'll post the link for that once I find it again.
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Smart watch update , refer to pic below for details.
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some of the New faces ,definitely will update my review once i get a full day use of this update.
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joe3681 said:
Read a lot of reviews online about this and decided NOT to buy it. Horrible screen, clumsy to use, etc.
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I have one, and I find it to be very useful. My watch was a present. I thought it was going to be a useless gimmick, but now I can barely live without it.
On the way to work (on the bus), I usually have music playing. I can leave my phone in my pocket, and switch tracks easily. At home I often connect my phone to a dock for playing music. Again, I use my watch as a remote.
I prefer to have my phone on silent/vibrate, but I have missed calls because I do not always notice the vibration. With my watch, the watch vibrates on a call! I never miss calls now.
Having email alerts and SMS alerts is pretty handy. I have wired up my home alarm system to my home network - it sends emails when my alarm goes off. These come straight through to my watch now.
The screen is very good indoors. Outside, it is pretty hard to read in direct sunlight, and not great (but usable) in shade.
The UI is pretty poorly thought out. A back button would make life much easier. To go "back" on the watch, you need to do a pinch gesture. This is pretty hard on a tiny screen. A hardware back button could easily be located on the left side of the watch.
One puzzling thing is that the API does not allow 3rd party developers to add new watch faces. I would have thought this would be a big selling point. Writing a watch face as a complete 3rd party app does not work as well, as it tends to chew more battery and doesn't integrate with the other apps properly.
The connection to the charger is stupid, whoever thought of it should be ashamed. It is very finicky. I've found the best way to deal with it, is to wrap a rubber band around the watch and cable - otherwise it may stop charging (it sucks to have it go flat 30 minutes after getting to work).
The bluetooth connection uses v2, not v3 - so it uses more battery than it needs to. Having the watch at a distance from the phone will cause it to go through batteries a lot faster.
The watch itself is relatively tough, but the clip is not. I actually broke one of the little clips that hold the watch to the watch strap. Luckily for me, the guys at Sony Central in Brisbane had a watch that had a broken screen - so they helped me to transfer the clip from that watch onto mine (the alternative was to wait for 4 weeks for a warranty repair).
On the whole, I like the watch! It's not perfect, but it is very usable.
The good
Music control
Alerts
Vibrate on call
The bad
Clip is fragile
Charging connection sucks
Cannot add 3rd party watch faces
Screen sucks in sunlight
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some of the New faces ,definitely will update my review once i get a full day use of this update.
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I found the new faces ok for a few minutes, but I keep going back to the large digital watch face. It is by far the most readable. This watch really needs more digital faces!

Could some of you guys suggest which one to buy.?
I saw bunch of models and I don't know which one to buy...
Tnx
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funky0308 said:
Could some of you guys suggest which one to buy.?
I saw bunch of models and I don't know which one to buy...
Tnx
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There is only one model of Smart Watch. Just buy one from Sony or eBay or Amazon or on polish site Allegro.pl
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Vaith said:
There is only one model of Smart Watch. Just buy one from Sony or eBay or Amazon or on polish site Allegro.pl
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Becouse I saw some models on eBay.
O.K so, we have only one model.
Tnx
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deadcatt said:
I have one, and I find it to be very useful. My watch was a present. I thought it was going to be a useless gimmick, but now I can barely live without it.
On the way to work (on the bus), I usually have music playing. I can leave my phone in my pocket, and switch tracks easily. At home I often connect my phone to a dock for playing music. Again, I use my watch as a remote.
I prefer to have my phone on silent/vibrate, but I have missed calls because I do not always notice the vibration. With my watch, the watch vibrates on a call! I never miss calls now.
Having email alerts and SMS alerts is pretty handy. I have wired up my home alarm system to my home network - it sends emails when my alarm goes off. These come straight through to my watch now.
The screen is very good indoors. Outside, it is pretty hard to read in direct sunlight, and not great (but usable) in shade.
The UI is pretty poorly thought out. A back button would make life much easier. To go "back" on the watch, you need to do a pinch gesture. This is pretty hard on a tiny screen. A hardware back button could easily be located on the left side of the watch.
One puzzling thing is that the API does not allow 3rd party developers to add new watch faces. I would have thought this would be a big selling point. Writing a watch face as a complete 3rd party app does not work as well, as it tends to chew more battery and doesn't integrate with the other apps properly.
The connection to the charger is stupid, whoever thought of it should be ashamed. It is very finicky. I've found the best way to deal with it, is to wrap a rubber band around the watch and cable - otherwise it may stop charging (it sucks to have it go flat 30 minutes after getting to work).
The bluetooth connection uses v2, not v3 - so it uses more battery than it needs to. Having the watch at a distance from the phone will cause it to go through batteries a lot faster.
The watch itself is relatively tough, but the clip is not. I actually broke one of the little clips that hold the watch to the watch strap. Luckily for me, the guys at Sony Central in Brisbane had a watch that had a broken screen - so they helped me to transfer the clip from that watch onto mine (the alternative was to wait for 4 weeks for a warranty repair).
On the whole, I like the watch! It's not perfect, but it is very usable.
The good
Music control
Alerts
Vibrate on call
The bad
Clip is fragile
Charging connection sucks
Cannot add 3rd party watch faces
Screen sucks in sunlight
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I found the new faces ok for a few minutes, but I keep going back to the large digital watch face. It is by far the most readable. This watch really needs more digital faces!
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No lie I do that too stands most of the time now.
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So I have used my smart watch on gs3 and its fully compatible.
Kool thing bout gs3 Bluetooth it turns itself on automaticlly .wish ion had that feature
Also this new awsome camera app is the bomb!!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonymobile.extras.liveware.extension.camera
And can someone let me know if there watch takes for ever to load certain apps
Thanks.
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very good
very good

What kind of range are you guys seeing with your 360?

Just picked mine up this afternoon and gotta say I'm pretty disappointed thus far. I had a gear live when it became available and my phone could be upstairs, and still stay connected to my watch in the basement. With the 360, I go down just one level and it disconnects. I will say that before with the gear I had a Moto X and now I have a G3. I don't think the phone would make much different but so far it's pretty big difference as far as range goes. Everything the 360 is better imo. I don't want this to be a deal breaker as usually my phone is on me, but it was nice being able to lounge downstairs and still get my notifications on my watch. What kind of range are you guys seeing?

I live in a 3 story townhouse and they will stay connected when one is in the basement and the other is on the top floor. My 360 is paired to an M8.

neilrl79 said:
I live in a 3 story townhouse and they will stay connected when one is in the basement and the other is on the top floor. My 360 is paired to an M8.
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i get some good distance also but it depends on where i am. At home i can walk to the mailbox and back but at work only one floor. I think it depends on the interference in the area.

Yeah I think I'll be returning it which really sucks. Even if it is the phone, I can't just switch phones because of the watch. Really odd this is happening.

[Q] Thinking of buying a Sony Smartwatch 3 and i need your feedback!

I am seriously debating getting myself a Sony Smartwatch 3, but my usage scenario is rather peculiar/complicated, therefore i really need your help.
First of all, let me tell you that i have had many smartwatches in the past, but never so far an Android Wear device.
My main phone is an iPhone 6 Plus and it shall remain my main phone. I also have an Android device handy at most times (right now it is a Galaxy K Zoom).
XDA member @MohammadAG has already demonstrated (but not yet released) his method for sending iOS notifications over to Android Wear and i have seen in some tech sites that an official Google solution might possibly come in the future.
Let me now tell you what my main usage case will be:
I have a BT 4.0 HR strap (from Wahoo) and i want to connect it to the watch and use it to monitor my HR while jogging. My health condition requires a rather careful monitoring of my HR so that it does not deviate from a certain comfort zone while exercising.
I have already seen there is a thread where people are discussing about this. However, i would be obliged if someone could certify that the Smartwatch 3 would work with a Wahoo HR strap while recording the route via GPS. Of course i need this to be happening while the Watch is offline - not connected to a phone. Can it also play music via BT at the same time?
I could instead purchase a dedicated sports watch, but:
a) I find them ugly
b) They are too big
c) They do nothing more
What do you think? Would the Smartwatch 3 work in this usage scenario?
Would you recommend the rubber one or the metal one?
Thank you very much in advance.

As long as your android device is 4.3 or later, you should be good to go. Someone in another thread said their wahoo tickr works fine. All btle HRMs seem to be working.
https://support.google.com/androidwear/answer/6056401?hl=en

Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?

Mine is accurate, im using runkeeper, I run without smartphone. ...booom what a feeling

@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?

No iPhone and no HR device on Wear watch

I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.

gidi said:
Thank you sir. Any comments about the GPS accuracy?
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Very accurate when it's connected to my Xperia Z3. I used it with my tablet before I got the phone and can say its a little lame without the portability of a phone, as well as data usage. I love Sony, and I'll say go support them, but if you're dum- very determined on using an iPhone then why not get Apple's shinanigans. I was debating between this and a Garmin 920xt and it was basically deciding between a milkshake and a smoothie.

I'm too consider this watch to replace my motoactv. But problem is I'm using iPhone even though I owned an android tablet. [emoji4]
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My experience
I use the SW3 with a RHYTHM+ BT HRM and LG BT headphones and so run with no phone - GPS, music and heart rate tracking all through the watch. I use the Ghostracer app which has very customizable wear screens, and I have HR showing there. It also uploads seamlessly to Strava once I reconnect the phone.
The GPS accuracy is not as good as my old garmin, but it is better than my Samsung S5 in a waist strap (i.e., before I switched to just the watch)
Top tip, turn off the phone bluetooth before you start. The wear needs to be disconnected before it will work in standalone mode for the run.
Biggest downside? No audible feedback from the running apps yet. So no lap pace, time etc. But then again, the data is right on your wrist.
With my set up the watch battery dies at approx 30% an hour. So if you are running a marathon, better step it up!
Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
Oh - and in summary - YES, totally recommend it. Best thing since my MotoActv, and it means i can keep my phone in my pocket during the day where it belongs. Not to mention other cool apps, like one that will analyze your golf swing.

gidi said:
@supac Are you also using a BLE HR strap at the same time? Does Runkeeper on the watch show the HR rate on screen ?
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No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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I've seen a big deterioration on the GPS on mine, not in accuracy but in position lock. I only use mine for running nowadays so it's powered off mostly and I never get a GPS lock the first attempt. I have to first connect it to my phone, then go near a window, try to get GPS sync, then when I do I can disconnect the phone and go out running. Too much of a hassle IMO. I think the watch needs daily communication with a phone i.e. internet to have a properly working GPS. My guess is it needs to update the GPS data frequently.
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.

supac said:
No hr strap...but I read that they do work. Planning to by one
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Tip: it takes about 40 seconds for a cold lock. Start your app outside, do stretches then start running.
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It used to but not any longer. The last time, before I started doing what I described, I waited for 5+ minutes without a lock. On that occasion the watch had been powered off for 2 weeks and not synced with my phone. So I went home, synced to my phone and then I got a lock within a minute. That's why I'm convinced the watch relies on some kind of A-GPS solution and needs access to the internet frequently to work properly.

I bought a Smartwatch 3 when they first came out; primarily because I wanted a simple heart rate monitor, but as I could get the Sony for not much more and perhaps get some additional functionality I thought it would be good to try. In the end though, I never did find a simple heart rate monitor application which I was satisfied with so 2 weeks ago I bought a Polar M400. This works superbly as a heart rate monitor and activity tracker, has a very good (albeit monochrome) display and also has a built-in GPS. In the 2 weeks I've has it, the battery indicator as gone down to a little over half, so I expect the battery to last 3 or 4 weeks.
Of course, the Polar doesn't give me notifications and I can't play flappy bird on it or talk to it, but Polar have announced that they will release an update which will enable it to show notifications and this is the only thing which I would in any way want anyway. Overall, this should be a good compromise for me as long as the battery life doesn't suffer too much. I'll probably sell my Sony and perhaps get another real smart watch when the battery life and apps have improved. In my opinion, Android Wear could have captured a good part of the sport watch market if it would have included a good fitness app right from the start.
-Mark.

guyoutred said:
Verizon has the watch for $199 - no need to use their cell service to order.
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Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.

swbf2lord said:
Yup. I went in there on my lunch break with my T-Mobile clothes and name tag on and they sold it to me. (No, I don't have an account with VZW! [emoji13] )
I love mine. I had the Moto 360 and G Watch R beforehand, but I really like the square, TFT screen of the Smartwatch 3.
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The TFT screen is amazing! So many sites would knock it for it, but it's very impressive tech. Yes, it doesn't have the best colors like other watches but the best part of it is that I can ALWAYS see the time even with having the screen off. So battery life is very good on this watch. That is perfect for a watch and why I chose the Sony SW 3.

So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?

brizey said:
So the current deal on the Google Store is $50 off and $50 Google play credit, so a net $150. I would rather have the metal version, bit I think this may be too good of a deal. Any clue why Google only sells the silicon version?
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Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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tu3218 said:
Think its the main version available everywhere. I think the metal version is very limited.
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Yeah, like pretty much unavailable limited here in the US, lol. I can't find anywhere but Ebay mark up trolls that have it, and most are in the Russian Federation.

It looks amazing, you should definitely buy it.

My experience is the same as guyoutred. I use it with a Mio Link BTLE HRM and Motorola S11-HD BT heaphones while running. Ghostracer is the way to go, also wish it had audible updates and autolaps. GPS was dead-on today, but yesterday (cloudy, rainy) it tracked my run but had my position move south several miles then back again. Showed me with a 2min/mile pace.
I'm using the Walkman app for music, tried the Wear Music app but it was very cumbersome. This bad boy has now turned into the perfect replacement for my old MotoActv. Too bad it took this long for a company to satisfy this demand.

Lifespan of Moto 360

Looking at picking up a smart watch, like the round look. So it's either this or the lg r. Only hesitation is the "old" hardware. Do you guys think the old chip can hold up to future updates? Also lg has discontinued the lg r so worried about lack of upgrades there too?
Thanks

I still think we have another year of updates. But if you are worried and willing to pay full price for the device like us early adopters, I'd wait for the second generation 360.

Just got the 5.1.1 update so that is a good thing. The watch is really nice, got mine in April when it dropped to $150 on sale. I think now you can get it for close to $100-$125 on sale. This will be about a third of a cost of the second generation. Will the second generation be better? More than likely, will it be work a couple hundred more? That is the question you will have to answer. The only thing I would like that this watch does not have is stand alone GPS so I could go on a run without my phone and be able to till have Runkeeper track my GPS. The other would be a small speaker that you could use for phone calls.

Bought mine yesterday and returning it today. To heavy, I did have the metal band. Running 5.1.1 and it crashed/rebooted serval times. Did 3 factory resets. Battery would drain from 100 to about mid 80 in about an hour.
Loved the look of the all silver with metal band.
I'll just wait for the next generation in hopes that it will be lighter and better battery life. Really hoping it can be used without having to have my phone but I'm doubting Android wear will be at that point when the 360 2 is released.
So I'm holding out for the second generation.
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jcarlm said:
Bought mine yesterday and returning it today. To heavy, I did have the metal band. Running 5.1.1 and it crashed/rebooted serval times. Did 3 factory resets. Battery would drain from 100 to about mid 80 in about an hour.
Loved the look of the all silver with metal band.
I'll just wait for the next generation in hopes that it will be lighter and better battery life. Really hoping it can be used without having to have my phone but I'm doubting Android wear will be at that point when the 360 2 is released.
So I'm holding out for the second generation.
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everytime you reset the watch, it will eat 30-40% in the first couple hours as its doing all the SYNC-ing (thats normal)
since you have had it less than a day, and reset it 3 times, its obvious that you havent had a chance to really use it or let it settle
u should set it up, wait a few hours and fully charge it... and you will see how it will consume 4-6% an hour on a stock watchface and about 5-7% per hr on a fancy watchmaker face
but hey, if you really cant wait and wanna get rid of it, u should sell it to the OP

chaco81 said:
everytime you reset the watch, it will eat 30-40% in the first couple hours as its doing all the SYNC-ing (thats normal)
since you have had it less than a day, and reset it 3 times, its obvious that you havent had a chance to really use it or let it settle
u should set it up, wait a few hours and fully charge it... and you will see how it will consume 4-6% an hour on a stock watchface and about 5-7% per hr on a fancy watchmaker face
but hey, if you really cant wait and wanna get rid of it, u should sell it to the OP
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I am aware that resetting the device will take a toll on the battery percentage as well as syncing. But the watch should not have rebooted on its own 4 times as to why I kept resetting it. I believe the unit that i required to be defective.
I returned the device for a full refund.
The device was eye candy for sure and I'm looking forward to getting the moto 360 2 when it comes out. Just hoping its lighter with better internals and no flat tire.
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jcarlm said:
I am aware that resetting the device will take a toll on the battery percentage as well as syncing. But the watch should not have rebooted on its own 4 times as to why I kept resetting it. I believe the unit that i required to be defective.
I returned the device for a full refund.
The device was eye candy for sure and I'm looking forward to getting the moto 360 2 when it comes out. Just hoping its lighter with better internals and no flat tire.
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I'm trying not to be negative and rude, but you sound like you might not be the person smartwatches were designed for - or you didn't do your homework and made an impulse purchase.
Again, trying not to be rude - but people who make purchases like you and make returns like you did are one of the reasons return, exchange, and warranty conditions are so strict these days.

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I'm trying not to be negative and rude, but you sound like you might not be the person smartwatches were designed for - or you didn't do your homework and made an impulse purchase.
Again, trying not to be rude - but people who make purchases like you and make returns like you did are one of the reasons return, exchange, and warranty conditions are so strict these days.
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Lol..... Own all nexus except nexus one. I have 3 chromecast, 2 nexus players, 4 nexus tablets. I'm a pretty big Android fan.. Root a lot of these devices and not afraid to mess with adb and fastboot. I research before I make any purchase and I know a little about Android.
As stated the watch was defective. Kept rebooting on its own. And at this time frame I might as well wait till the second generation.
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Allow me to clarify, I agree fully it was defective. I do not agree with you being surprised by the flat tire or the weight, specifically I don't agree with the watch being too heavy - all of my mid-to-high end mechanical watches are two or three times as heavy.

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Allow me to clarify, I agree fully it was defective. I do not agree with you being surprised by the flat tire or the weight, specifically I don't agree with the watch being too heavy - all of my mid-to-high end mechanical watches are two or three times as heavy.
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When holding the watch in the store is different than wearing it for hours, that is a personal preference as it was my preference. Flat tire I knew but figure with the right face it wouldn't bother me and started I hope they get rid of it on the next one. There are smart watches that are lighter.
Any ways just wanted to share my thoughts, that is all. Can't wait to see what the next generation will be as the rumors are stating lighter, smaller, better processor and I hope these are all true. And by smaller I hope they mean the thickness....
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Plus the next one should be coming soon and for me I have no problem waiting..
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I just bought mine on same and I love the thing heck it's lighter then my eco-drive watch and sent a text with voice.....I had the Samsung galaxy gear 2 neo and this thing is in a league of its own compared to the neo, also another thing a person actually saw it and asked how I liked Android wear
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Moving from an automatic metal band watch to the leather band 360 was like going from a dumbell to a paper sticker... I think overall design is fantastic, as long as it keeps working like it does with 5.1, I'm keeping mine for years to come!