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Out of curiosity why isn't root allowed out of the box on the Nexus 7?
I mean I get that no one should use superuser access/root privileges on anything more than a "need to use" basis and honestly, I'll even admit that with the way the ecosystem has evolved, root isn't really entirely "needed" but, it still boggles my mind that there is no way I can just open up a terminal, type in a code, and get root.
I've tried googling the issue but, I generally get a bunch of responses about things which aren't quite related.
Snow_fox said:
Out of curiosity why isn't root allowed out of the box on the Nexus 7?
I mean I get that no one should use superuser access/root privileges on anything more than a "need to use" basis and honestly, I'll even admit that with the way the ecosystem has evolved, root isn't really entirely "needed" but, it still boggles my mind that there is no way I can just open up a terminal, type in a code, and get root.
I've tried googling the issue but, I generally get a bunch of responses about things which aren't quite related.
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I think its fine the way it is. its jailbroken out of the box so you can use your device how you wish and that is what matters. You can't expect a company to support users to change everything about it. Then people complain about bricked devices or contact them for support for some custom rom.
However I believe they made it pretty easy to root. They certainly could have made it a lot harder. Anyone who has the skills (or patience to learn how) to use root certainly can root a device based on the tutorials given. And other users who don't want to worry about it don't ever see it. The little bit of effort helps weed out the people who would mess things up for themselves.
firesoul453 said:
I think its fine the way it is. its jailbroken out of the box so you can use your device how you wish and that is what matters. You can't expect a company to support users to change everything about it. Then people complain about bricked devices or contact them for support for some custom rom.
However I believe they made it pretty easy to root. They certainly could have made it a lot harder. Anyone who has the skills (or patience to learn how) to use root certainly can root a device based on the tutorials given. And other users who don't want to worry about it don't ever see it. The little bit of effort helps weed out the people who would mess things up for themselves.
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I don't expect a company to support me changing anything I want about it. If I misuse root privileges, then I don't expect to have a lifeline when I call asus/google. I don't expect say Dell or HP to cover my PC if I try to install ubuntu and I botch something up.
However, refusing to let me have root because "might" mess something up is also flawed logic. I may also for one reason or another need root access.
While I am glad they make it easy to root, the reality is there is they are being counter productive. Honestly, just leaving in root access would decrease the chances of me bricking my device at this point. As of now to get root access I'll have to flash a custom recovery compared to just giving the ability to go into a terminal and type in "oem -su enable" or something.
If the flashing issue is really that big of a deal, then why force users to flash to get what they want in the first place?
Snow_fox said:
I don't expect a company to support me changing anything I want about it. If I misuse root privileges, then I don't expect to have a lifeline when I call asus/google. I don't expect say Dell or HP to cover my PC if I try to install ubuntu and I botch something up.
However, refusing to let me have root because "might" mess something up is also flawed logic. I may also for one reason or another need root access.
While I am glad they make it easy to root, the reality is there is they are being counter productive. Honestly, just leaving in root access would decrease the chances of me bricking my device at this point. As of now to get root access I'll have to flash a custom recovery compared to just giving the ability to go into a terminal and type in "oem -su enable" or something.
If the flashing issue is really that big of a deal, then why force users to flash to get what they want in the first place?
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Root can cause problems. It can cause security problems if not used right and can brick not only while rooting but while flashing custom roms and things.
while you and I don't go asking for support, a lot of people do. People try to pass things off as warrenty problems and do call and email asking for support for things not originally on that phone.
And it hurts them in other ways. Google makes pretty much all their money from ads. Rooting makes it easy to block ads and you average rom might have it built right in. The only reason google bothers with android was for the ad money. So there is no incentive for them give root out of the box. They already are more open and free than their main competitions.
You could look at samsung. THey make their money of the hardware and so have been more open with rooting with odin, thought they still don't really care for it (probably because of the support issue)
And the carriers are even worse because rooting allows for things like wireless tethering for free and data is their biggest costs. Their certnaly isn't any reason for carriers to push for root.
I honestly don't know the true answer; only Google would know.
But in my opinion, it's because Android is an open source OS, and giving users root access allows them to alter .apk's very easily. This is bad for developers, because most developers make money from advertisements or in-app currency, and allowing users to alter their .apk to easily block ads or change in-app currency would thwart developer interest.
In Windows for example, the OS is not open source, but users have "root" access because they can always get to the root of every program/file. BUT users CANNOT EASILY alter the programs installed on Windows - if they want a hacked version, they usually have to download a hacked version that someone else hacked.
Whereas in Android, it's very easy for me to download any .apk I want, run my hack app that says "Search for this value and change it to this" and BAM it's now hacked in literally seconds.
firesoul453 said:
Root can cause problems. It can cause security problems if not used right and can brick not only while rooting but while flashing custom roms and things.
while you and I don't go asking for support, a lot of people do. People try to pass things off as warrenty problems and do call and email asking for support for things not originally on that phone.
And it hurts them in other ways. Google makes pretty much all their money from ads. Rooting makes it easy to block ads and you average rom might have it built right in. The only reason google bothers with android was for the ad money. So there is no incentive for them give root out of the box. They already are more open and free than their main competitions.
You could look at samsung. THey make their money of the hardware and so have been more open with rooting with odin, thought they still don't really care for it (probably because of the support issue)
And the carriers are even worse because rooting allows for things like wireless tethering for free and data is their biggest costs. Their certnaly isn't any reason for carriers to push for root.
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I'm not going to deny adblocking is one of my many vices. While many people have many views on it, all I can say is until ads no longer break my experience completely, I'll be stuck using adblockers. While this is becoming less of a problem with phones/tablets that have faster processors I've had my entire phone lock up before because of certain types of ads my phone couldn't handle. On top of that many are frustrating to deal with as there is no "x" visible for me to tap and I have to back out of whatever I was doing because the phone can't handle the discrepancy in size and find some way to navigate around the ad.
While this is only one example there have been other issues. Hell I had to use a script that required root back when I had my captivate just to get it it to work on my schools wifi. There were a number of issues and I imagine there are still a number of issues that make the lack of root almost a deal breaker.
Sure you can argue from a support issue point of view but, realistically as I already said, I wouldn't have to flash anything if I had access to root... I guess they just chalk it up to "some people are going to do whatever it takes anyway...." but, that just doesn't make much sense to not let people have it anyway.
Geodude074 said:
I honestly don't know the true answer; only Google would know.
But in my opinion, it's because Android is an open source OS, and giving users root access allows them to alter .apk's very easily. This is bad for developers, because most developers make money from advertisements or in-app currency, and allowing users to alter their .apk to easily block ads or change in-app currency would thwart developer interest.
In Windows for example, the OS is not open source, but users have "root" access because they can always get to the root of every program/file. BUT users CANNOT EASILY alter the programs installed on Windows - if they want a hacked version, they usually have to download a hacked version that someone else hacked.
Whereas in Android, it's very easy for me to download any .apk I want, run my hack app that says "Search for this value and change it to this" and BAM it's now hacked in literally seconds.
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This is actually one of the best reasons I think I've ever heard and I've actually asked this question a lot in different places over the years. That's a pretty feasible answer.
Geodude074 said:
I honestly don't know the true answer; only Google would know.
But in my opinion, it's because Android is an open source OS, and giving users root access allows them to alter .apk's very easily. This is bad for developers, because most developers make money from advertisements or in-app currency, and allowing users to alter their .apk to easily block ads or change in-app currency would thwart developer interest.
In Windows for example, the OS is not open source, but users have "root" access because they can always get to the root of every program/file. BUT users CANNOT EASILY alter the programs installed on Windows - if they want a hacked version, they usually have to download a hacked version that someone else hacked.
Whereas in Android, it's very easy for me to download any .apk I want, run my hack app that says "Search for this value and change it to this" and BAM it's now hacked in literally seconds.
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Rooting has nothing to do with decompiling apks. apk hacking is bad but thats a whole other thing. Anyone can get a hold of pretty much every apk easliy, no need for root.
Windows doesn't really have root, its pretty different. You can give programs administrator privileges I guess, but not exactly the same. Decompiling apks is only easier because its java, it has nothing to do with the os or root privileges.
Don't expect any of these companies support to support root until they have a reason to.
Good evening, I'm Adal Chien, an enthusiastic Android player from HK that owns a root Samsung Crater.
I've read an article in AndroidAuthority that indicates that P&D misblocks root machines for a piracy.
Thus I've installed RootCloak+ for Cydia substrate that has cloaked himself, renamed SuperSU to eu.evasi0n7.1.94.apk, Puzzle & Dragons v6.4.3 in English, Cydia substrate.
However P&D hasn't been working properly yet.
Thanks for your achievable & valuable measures regarding this issue.
hey,any way to update non supported lumia to creator update
thanks in advance
have a nice day
which phone?
also too much topics about this on forum.. just spend little time to search... just few links found in few seconds:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/installing-windows-10-mobile-tech-t3431454
https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/windows-mobile-10-redstone-rs1-build-t3319375
https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/windows-10-lumia-t3567219
same way you get any other w10m version in any "unsupported" phone, spoof it as a supported model, doesnt matter which, and thats it, its quite simply a banlist denying access to old phones really
Hello,
I am new to XDA and hope this is the correct forum to be posting my question. I have been running LOS on a few devices in my household and, like most people, had to supplement apps from F-Droid with Apps from the Play Store (via Aurora).
Recently I have been trying to get Uber to work on the phone in order to be able to rent a bicycle. The app starts fine and I can log in but then it crashes. Presumably it is because I have no way to load Google Maps via Play Services.
Is there a way to get apps that require Play Services to run? I tried installing MicroG but then all my existing Aurora Store apps stopped working so I ended up uninstalling it before I could test whether or not I could get Uber to work.
To make matters more complicated this is not for me but for my other half (her wish is to be able to rent a bike) but ideally this would not involve me having to break and rebuild her phone - so any pointers in the right direction are most welcome and very much appreciated.
fishnetfancy said:
Hello,
I am new to XDA and hope this is the correct forum to be posting my question. I have been running LOS on a few devices in my household and, like most people, had to supplement apps from F-Droid with Apps from the Play Store (via Aurora).
Recently I have been trying to get Uber to work on the phone in order to be able to rent a bicycle. The app starts fine and I can log in but then it crashes. Presumably it is because I have no way to load Google Maps via Play Services.
Is there a way to get apps that require Play Services to run? I tried installing MicroG but then all my existing Aurora Store apps stopped working so I ended up uninstalling it before I could test whether or not I could get Uber to work.
To make matters more complicated this is not for me but for my other half (her wish is to be able to rent a bike) but ideally this would not involve me having to break and rebuild her phone - so any pointers in the right direction are most welcome and very much appreciated.
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Go to your local bike rental
https://stallman.org/uber.html
kurtn said:
Go to your local bike rental
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LOL. Easier said than done. I personally detest Uber but as involuntary SysAdmin in a five person household it is a constant battle to strike a balance between protecting privacy, supporting ethical small businesses and dealing with "why can't I do any of the things my friends are doing on their mobile phones?" conversations.
fishnetfancy said:
LOL. Easier said than done. I personally detest Uber but as involuntary SysAdmin in a five person household it is a constant battle to strike a balance between protecting privacy, supporting ethical small businesses and dealing with "why can't I do any of the things my friends are doing on their mobile phones?" conversations.
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My solution: dedicated phones. One for social media. One for covid 19 tracker. One for quadrocopter flying...
Hi. Apologies for the noob question. Is it possible to get banking apps, PayPal etc to work on lineage ? I've installed magisk but don't know how to configure it, even if it will do what I need. Is there a guide somewhere? Thanks.
aneng64 said:
Hi. Apologies for the noob question. Is it possible to get banking apps, PayPal etc to work on lineage ? I've installed magisk but don't know how to configure it, even if it will do what I need. Is there a guide somewhere? Thanks.
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First of all, you will harm the security of your transactions if you wanted to use banking apps on a rooted phone.
Secondly, if such a banking app will work on a phone with root hidden by magisk, I would advise you to give up such an app or bank for the reason I mentioned in the first sentence.
ze7zez said:
First of all, you will harm the security of your transactions if you wanted to use banking apps on a rooted phone.
Secondly, if such a banking app will work on a phone with root hidden by magisk, I would advise you to give up such an app or bank for the reason I mentioned in the first sentence.
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Why.... precisely? Beyond the generic rubber-stamp warning that rooted/custom ROM devices lack the security of stock builds, what data do you have that proves that running banking apps on phones with root/custom ROMs is likely to result in theft of my money?
aneng64 said:
Why.... precisely? Beyond the generic rubber-stamp warning that rooted/custom ROM devices lack the security of stock builds, what data do you have that proves that running banking apps on phones with root/custom ROMs is likely to result in theft of my money?
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Generally speaking, this is how money can be stolen at the very least, but also more, since identity verification can also be done with bank accounts.
Do not combine "rooted" with "custom", as there is no close relationship.
Oh... I see. Thank you. I have no need for root to be honest. I just need to be running Lineage OS. Is that safe to use unrooted?
aneng64 said:
Oh... I see. Thank you. I have no need for root to be honest. I just need to be running Lineage OS. Is that safe to use unrooted?
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Root does not increase the level of safety. It's good for you to use the original LineageOS, if it exists for your phone, and not use TWRP. It's likely that the bank's app won't object.
Just started to using LineageOS official last release from there website ((lineage-19.1-20230302-nightly-pioneer-signed)) . i have there mindtegapps for google integration. the problem is my carrier money transfer app crashs and doesn't starts. before i changed to LineageOS. this app was working on my phone original rom. is there any thing i can do to try to fix it? like crash logs or something i can try? i tried Google Carrier Services and Android System WebView. but nothing changed. it still crashs. is there away i can know which is the last supprted OS for that app? i mean they could just have not updated there app to newest google framework. idk for sure i am just guessing.
the app name " Orange Cash "
PC is rooted by default. People use banking sites and programs on PCs.
Phone will require same steps to prevent money steal.
Generally it is not the rooted phone by itself is source of trouble but user actions.
If user installs shady autocraticker from google play and give permissions to it thief would not need root to steal money.
To send a link by email or messanger and ask to enters credit card information thief does not need root permissions.
Criminals don't expect phone to be rooted. They pray on inattentive users.
It is often possible to have control of your own device with root and use banking.
Some banks allow to use browser instead of app.
Bank usually would call on the phone to accept login and transactions for additional security.
Decision depends on how much money user has on banking account, and how careful he is.
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PC is rooted by default. (...)
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That's why there are no PC banking applications/programs.
Using banking applications increases the security of transactions, which using only a web browser does not.
Thanks to apps, banks have the ability to continuously improve security on phones that have stopped getting security patches from the phone manufacturer. The use of push technology makes banking apps a cheap token.
The banks' action on this issue is beneficial to customers.
ze7zez said:
Generally speaking, this is how money can be stolen at the very least, but also more, since identity verification can also be done with bank accounts.
Do not combine "rooted" with "custom", as there is no close relationship.
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What are you talking about? Rooting means *the user* has control over the device, vs the manufacturer. Not giving the user root privileges is all about the manufacturing retaining control over what you do with the device, and being able to push its bloatware on you, and nothing to do with security.
HOW exactly does giving the user root access damage security in any way?
I'm gonna go ahead and say that not only having root access does NOT threaten security, but the other way around, it improves it, as I can remove all the unsafe apps the manufacturer bundled with my phone.
You are wrong, you were asked to back up your claims, and you did not actually do so.
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What are you talking about? Rooting means *the user* has control over the device, vs the manufacturer. Not giving the user root privileges is all about the manufacturing retaining control over what you do with the device, and being able to push its bloatware on you, and nothing to do with security.
HOW exactly does giving the user root access damage security in any way?
I'm gonna go ahead and say that not only having root access does NOT threaten security, but the other way around, it improves it, as I can remove all the unsafe apps the manufacturer bundled with my phone.
You are wrong, you were asked to back up your claims, and you did not actually do so.
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Read the "Payment Services Directive 2", analyze, understand and acknowledge.
The XDA forum is for discussion, not for answering every question asked. That's what google is for, for example.
Yes, just use magisk delta.
ze7zez said:
Read the "Payment Services Directive 2", analyze, understand and acknowledge.
The XDA forum is for discussion, not for answering every question asked. That's what google is for, for example.
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Why should I care about a European regulation, considering I'm not in Europe, and my bank is not European?
Regardless, said spec doesn't really give ANY justification either as to *why* a rooted phone would actually be unsafer in any way.
You didn't say "Because a stupid spec says so", you said "because of security concerns", of which there aren't any.