I'm a power android user and I've had androids for years now. Ever since i discovered custom roms, I've not once bought an android that i didn't flash a custom rom onto the first day. Especially with Samsungs.
But somehow, on this wonderful tablet with amazing potential, just one (very early alpha) rom is available. For a tablet that's been out for 3 months, this worries me.
Do you guys think some devs will get into porting popular roms for this device or is this just an xda-dead tablet?
(Holy **** touchwiz is horrible)
Then you need to learn about how restrictive the Exynos SOC means you're pretty much stuck with only stock based custom roms.
kenkiller said:
Then you need to learn about how restrictive the Exynos SOC means you're pretty much stuck with only stock based custom roms.
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That's pretty depressing.
Not to say that Aosp or CM roms won't exist (they already do), but they will forevermore be more buggy compared to their SD counterparts.
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Dear person reading this,
I've recently received an S4 mini, specifically the I9195 and I immediately got annoyed by the stock firmware. The sounds, the look, you probably know it. Since I've been using CM11 on my I9001 for a nice while I was wondering what the status of CM11 on this phone is like?
On the CM website I've seen there are no stable releases yet, so are the nightlies useable on a day-to-day basis? In other words, would you recommend flashing CM11? Are there any features which won't work?
As for the process of flashing itself, I've found this thread which seems to provide a nice overview, so I'm guessing that shouldn't pose any problems.
My apologies if this thread is a bit noobish, I've been reading around a bit but couldn't really find a nice up-to-date overview
Thanks and regards,
Marshian
If you use your S4 mini for anything serious, CM11 is still way too full of bugs. That's gonna change sooner or later, but for now I'd let CM11 wait unless you just use your S4 mini as a toy.
Check the opening post of this thread for a (long) list of bugs in S4 CM11: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2558702
Until CM11 is done squashing bugs, the best ROM for S4 mini is a rooted stock ROM, debloated by freezing/removing all the junk that Samsung slapped on, and modded with Xposed.
For a list of what you can freeze/remove (with an explanation of what you freeze/remove): http://android.site666.info/indexapks.htm
Essential (imo) Xposed modules for S4: Downloads2SD, Pictures2SD, Wanam Xposed, XPrivacy, and XVolume.
If you have a KitKat (stock) ROM you'll need HandleExternalStorage too.
Essential app to get rid of annoying sounds: Ultimate Sound Control.
I'm using CM11 on my GT-I9195 and its the only phone I have. The bugs don't hinder everyday use (WhatsApp, chrome, phone calls, SMS) generally except for the odd nightly that causes bootloops or FCs. You can avoid that by waiting for someone to post in the discussion thread whether the latest nightly is bootable or causes any FCs.
As for flashing CM11, the guide you linked is good if you don't care for the warranty. Since you bought your phone recently its likely to have the KNOX flag which signifies whether the phone has been custom-flashed before and I'm most countries this KNOX flag, if tripped, will render your warranty void.
To check if you are on KNOX boot loader, boot into Download mode and see if there is any mention of KNOX.
If there is, there is a guide on how to not trip the KNOX flag while rooting.
IMHO any of KitKat's custom ROM is not mature enough. Still many things to implement for the developers, regardless of being stable or not. Though if better OS resource management is what you after than KitKat is unbeatable. After all, it was Google's intention.
However, any of the JB custom ROM variant are relatively stable and mature, despite some still has the 'beta' tag.
As for TouchWiz ROM, there's a limit to what you can do in terms of optimizing/de-bloat. Unless it a heavily modded TW based ROM. That my experience coming from S3.
TNCS said:
IMHO any of KitKat's custom ROM is not mature enough. Still many things to implement for the developers, regardless of being stable or not. Though if better OS resource management is what you after than KitKat is unbeatable. After all, it was Google's intention.
However, any of the JB custom ROM variant are relatively stable and mature, despite some still has the 'beta' tag.
As for TouchWiz ROM, there's a limit to what you can do in terms of optimizing/de-bloat. Unless it a heavily modded TW based ROM. That my experience coming from S3.
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Thanks for your input! (This also applies to everyone else who replied )
In terms of warranty, I don't have any anyway. Though it's a brand new phone, I got it as a prize from a competition so there's no way for me to go back to the store and prove I bought it there. Therefore, I don't mind triggering the KNOX-flag.
For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there? It looks like the bug-list for CM10.2 is quite small. Do you know of any features missing there?
Marshian said:
Thanks for your input! (This also applies to everyone else who replied )
In terms of warranty, I don't have any anyway. Though it's a brand new phone, I got it as a prize from a competition so there's no way for me to go back to the store and prove I bought it there. Therefore, I don't mind triggering the KNOX-flag.
For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there? It looks like the bug-list for CM10.2 is quite small. Do you know of any features missing there?
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I would recommend any custom ROM based on JB. There's no feature missing as I'm aware of. Personally I'm on SlimJB which I've modified a bit myself. KitKat simplay requires time to mature. Even at AOSP the swtich from davilk requires time. Just my two cents.
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For now I'll stay away from CM11 then (though it runs really nicely on my S+), but would it be a better idea to mod the stock ROM until it stops sucking or flash CM10.2 (or another version?) on there?
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I am very happy sticking with the last stable 10.2. It is reliable, quick, and battery drain is minimal (I use Gravity Screen Pro but the main power savings come from using Cyanogens advanced wifi settings).
You can always backup everything and try out a CM11.
xbin said:
I am very happy sticking with the last stable 10.2. It is reliable, quick, and battery drain is minimal (I use Gravity Screen Pro but the main power savings come from using Cyanogens advanced wifi settings).
You can always backup everything and try out a CM11.
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I'll be going with the same solution once my microSIM and new microSD arrive, thanks!
So I've order an OPPO find 7 and from looking around and reading various sources I think that I will definitely change the original OS. In my opinion it doesn't look too appealing, in fact it looks like an early, cheap smartphone GUI and the fact that it apparently drains battery life pretty fast.
So my question is where do I start when it comes to custom ROMS? I have rooted my phone in the past, but it would have been nearly 3 years ago now so I know a little a bit about rooting my phone from what I remember however with this phone I don't know what ROM to download. Also I would like to know of any stable ROMS as I prefer stable ROMS although I also like simplicity. An example would be being able to install a stable lollipop on the phone? Is this possible? Or even a stable version of cyanogenmod as that looks appealing. Another problem that I have read about is that when people do this they can't access memory on their phone and the camera app doesn't include many features, so how would I combat this?
All in all it would be very useful for you to put links to well known ROMS and other important features that you recommend me to install.
- Thank you, MrDecy.
Hey there MrDecy, welcome to the Find 7 club.
There's two or three major options that I would suggest.
First, Cyanogenmod. I know their business practices haven't been stellar, but I really have found nothing wrong with any of their nightlies. I update nearly every day and never once have been disappointed by their performance or battery life. If you do get Cyanogenmod, you can also flash Maxxaudio and the Oppo camera to complete your experience. The only thing is that I haven't been able to get the unified storage to work, despite some people saying that it does.
Next is NamelessROM. It's basically Cyanogenmod but with a few Oppo-specific features and unified storage support. You can also flash Maxxaudio and the Oppo camera too, since it's based on CM. Unfortunately, while I enjoyed the early builds of the rom, I have found the later versions to be much more buggy. That being said, I haven't tried the rom in about a month or two, so things may have changed since then.
Finally, there's Oppo's new Lollipop AOSP rom. It's just meant for the people that want stock and nothing else, and doesn't come with Maxxaudio or the Oppo camera, but once again you can find those and flash them. Root is apparently working now, but when I was testing this ROM for Oppo, I couldn't figure out how to keep my root, so if rooting is a must, I might stay away. This is developed by Oppo though, and comes with the latest screen drivers, baseband and all that stuff, which should make for some really good battery life. It does also come with support for Unified storage. However, I have not tested the new one yet to see how well it performs.
Good luck with the flashing! I know this is super late, but I hope it can help you a bit.
Hi MrDecy
The Oppo developed AOSP is my daily driver and have rooted it by flashing via TWRP (the SuperSU ZipV2.49). The Oppo AOSP was announced a few weeks now and since release I have not experience any issue so far. The ROM was developed by Oppo and was meant to be bare and stock to suit the requirements of those who wish the bare android. It is light, fast and stripped of all the bloatwares usually found in the COS. I was able to install the COS camera as I find this oppo camera good. Do your research and I recommend also the OppoForum as it provides many information I believe could provide answers to most of your questions regarding ROMs. For instance the COS I have tried and tested the different versions, and the version intended for China which was based on the kitkat 4.4.4 is the smoothest in my opinion compared to the international version which comes still in the 4.4.2 release of android. The Chinese COS I used for more than 6-months and I find it okay. Oppo provided the APPs necessary to have a good experience of the hardware features of the Find 7 or 7a. Example is the Maxxaudio which I am currently trying to install to AOSP. It all depends on you taste if you prefer the stock android feel then go with the Oppo AOSP (It is stable). Also get the feel of COS first anyway other options are accessible here in XDA and the Oppo forum.
Cheers
Hi Guys,
I have a T800 on the way (in the U.S.) and am doing my research on the device and OS/ROM options. I am relatively new to android but have a technical background (I'm a developer, and joined the xda forums back in the windows mobile days)
My main question is which ROM I should go with, options seem to include:
- Samsung's 4.4 or 5.0 releases
- Cyanogenmod or BlissPop (i.e. non-touchwiz based ROMs, if I understand correctly?)
- Ironrom or other tweaked touchwiz based ROMs, if I understand correctly
I bought this mainly as a browser / reader device to replace my (jailbroken) iPad 3, which now feels ancient and slow and has a cracked screen. The lack of RAM is pretty annoying. Also very annoyed with the brightness levels when trying to read at night, hence the OLED based tablet. I think I would like a stock android like option, however I am not super familiar with Samsung's custom UI and I would like some opinions at a high level on what the pros and cons would be going for CM vs a tweaked (de-bloated?) samsung experience.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Guys,
I have a T800 on the way (in the U.S.) and am doing my research on the device and OS/ROM options. I am relatively new to android but have a technical background (I'm a developer, and joined the xda forums back in the windows mobile days)
My main question is which ROM I should go with, options seem to include:
- Samsung's 4.4 or 5.0 releases
- Cyanogenmod or BlissPop (i.e. non-touchwiz based ROMs, if I understand correctly?)
- Ironrom or other tweaked touchwiz based ROMs, if I understand correctly
I bought this mainly as a browser / reader device to replace my (jailbroken) iPad 3, which now feels ancient and slow and has a cracked screen. The lack of RAM is pretty annoying. Also very annoyed with the brightness levels when trying to read at night, hence the OLED based tablet. I think I would like a stock android like option, however I am not super familiar with Samsung's custom UI and I would like some opinions at a high level on what the pros and cons would be going for CM vs a tweaked (de-bloated?) samsung experience.
Thanks in advance!
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Flashing a tweaked Touchwiz rom gives you some great things that can reduce lag and such. Those roms are for if you want a better rom whilst keeping all the Touchwiz features. Its smooth and such yes.
For CM based roms, those are what get you an stock android feel. But you will lose fingerprint scanner ability and multiwindow and some things that Touchwiz roms has. CM roms are great for the stock android feel, smoothness and has no stuttering, good battery life, customization and less ram load/usage from my experience.
I myself prefer liquid smooth rom since well it is butter smooth! Feels great and does most tasks easy and with no problems.
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Honestly I have no problems using the stock rom. Something like ironrom is a good stock option.
However just lately I've taken to running rooted stock and just debloating and removing stuff I don't need and modifying the kernel to my own needs.
Lately a ton of roms have popped up, so there's plenty of choice.
I won't use anything that loses functionality.
Thanks guys - I got my T800 and am just finishing up the stock Lollipop upgrade. Bought a 64GB microsdxc for backups etc., so I will try out common apps for a couple of days and with the feedback above I will probably give a custom ROM or two a go this weekend (after doing my homework/research in advance).
Hi All,
I have just purchased a one plus 3 after my nexus died a slow death.
I have seen a couple of post and comments online saying that i should ROM the handset and install a copy of Android "pure"? Is this best way to get the most out of the phone or should i stick with Oxygen? I've never used a phone with Oxygen so i don’t know much about it.
Would installing a copy of "pure" have an effect on speed, battery, camera etc?
Thanks
Darren
The purest android experience, paradoxically, is now offered by OxigenOS.
Most of the rom you can find here, are generally heavy modded by various teams (cyano, omni, slim, paranoid ecc..).
Instead, OxigenOS is mostly stock android with some small, fair modifications that allow you to better enjoy the device.
Moreover, with a custom rom not derived from the stock rom (like OP3Lite), you're always gonna lose something in terms of camera performance.
So, my advice is to enjoy the stock rom for a couple of weeks...
There's always time for modding..
I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it
If we talk about MIUI here it's full of bloat and far from AOSP (stock Android) and I think the focus is features, over performance.
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If we talk about MIUI here it's full of bloat and far from AOSP (stock Android) and I think the focus is features, over performance.
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They also clearly copy some UI Design from iOS
which is not bad... It looks good.
But my biggest problem with MIUI is that, it breaks standard Android features.
Like broken Gestures on 3rd-Party Launchers.
Or the MIUI Permission-system breaking apps like Instagram.
or MIUI's battery optimisation being too extreme...
I don't hate MIUI, but it's 很胖 (very fat)
Custom ROMs are not bad per se, but they are made for ppl who want their phone to run without gving it too much thought. MIUI is not the worst Stock ROM imho, but clearly made for John D. Noob.
If you debloat MIUI, you can get along with it if you don't need to much customization.
Btw, battery is usually best on stock ROMS in my experience.
But if you want real control over your phone, or need features that the manufacturer doesn't want you to have, you deffo need a custom ROM.
Also, you need to take into account that a manufacturer doesn't earn a penny for giving out updates and patches, so they tend to keep their fuzz to a minimum.
I usually move away from a stock rom as updates are slow to arrive.
When i was looking for a upgrade for my LG G7, i settled for the F3 because it was Very good value for money, was easy to unlock and had great Dev support on XDA.
For me the other downside of a MIUI stock rom apart from the bloat ware and slow updates, was not being able to use my Samsung Smartwatch as a trusted device, as Miui Stock would only permit Xiaomi devices.
Switching to the Evo-X rom, gave me back all the functionality I needed and is fast enough for me.
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I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it
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custom roms, nah
custom modifications, yes
you can reach same or more performance on stock, if you just modify it
most or all custom roms are modified by the rom dev ofcourse, that is why its got better performance than stock
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I saw several people installing custom roms and the performance of the device improved a lot! I would like to know how these roms do it
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Stock roms add much more functionality, then become bigger and slower
Customs roms are mostly based on AOSP, which is pure android. Less functionality = Lighter and faster rom
And for customs roms like Xiaomi.EU, well they simply edit some parts of the rom, adds fixes and remove some useless stuff, which again make the OS lightweight and faster
of course, that's more complicated in fact, and lighter rom doesnt mean faster, you can make a very heavy system work very fast with optimization. 'Optimization', you see, a word that most of roms dev like Xiaomi doesnt know about
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Stock roms add much more functionality, then become bigger and slower
Customs roms are mostly based on AOSP, which is pure android. Less functionality = Lighter and faster rom
And for customs roms like Xiaomi.EU, well they simply edit some parts of the rom, adds fixes and remove some useless stuff, which again make the OS lightweight and faster
of course, that's more complicated in fact, and lighter rom doesnt mean faster, you can make a very heavy system work very fast with optimization. 'Optimization', you see, a word that most of roms dev like Xiaomi doesnt know about
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dont go around dissing devs without knowing anything about them
pretty sure devs hired by big companies like xiaomi would know about optimizations better than any custom rom dev
when custom rom devs start making bug free roms, go around dissing stock devs as you like
If you have a sub-flagship or flagship device it doesn't matter if that's a Xiaomi or not changing your rom into custom rom is kinda useless, because the stock rom is good enough and more stable(not 100% stable) and if you longing for more performance for flashing an AOSP base rom it's kinda useless base on my experience because it only increases like 1-2% in pure stock no modifications especially in Poco F3.
For me AOSP roms are only good for midrange and lowend devices, i have spare phone here it's RN8 and i changed my rom from MIUI to AOSP and the difference is night and day my mind is blown to the ram management.
From the first day i was in ArrowOS because Miui roms was a little poor in performance, not so much fast like AOSP roms, but one day i tried one of the last stable Miui EU roms and i was impressed how good became, sound and haptics it's just much better than AOSP, autobrightness works as intended, camera it's better that Gcam and SOT it's (in my use, the same).
So i'm with the last comment, in Poco F3 i think the last MIUI EU for example isn't bad, phone runs well and all works. Just tried the last Stable MIUI 13 and now the MIUI 14 EU beta build and i think it's a little more smooth than previous build.
I think any phone with A13 will run smoother than A12.1 builds, in my old Mi A1 just noticed that (and it's too old).
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Also, you need to take into account that a manufacturer doesn't earn a penny for giving out updates and patches, so they tend to keep their fuzz to a minimum.
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Nah, dude.
They took money in advance for that. On the other hand, people buy pixel devices because they have updates guaranteed.
They do earn money from it indirectly. A lot. Otherwise it wouldn't have been a thing.