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Galaxy nexus and AT&T?

If we buy the Verizon version, unlocked, will it work on AT&T? Is this going to be an option, or just importing it from uk etc?

Could of swore i read somewhere that att's lte will work on a slightly different mhz that it won't be compatible with verizon's lte, someone correct me if im wrong.

ekerbuddyeker said:
If we buy the Verizon version, unlocked, will it work on AT&T? Is this going to be an option, or just importing it from uk etc?
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peachpuff said:
Could of swore i read somewhere that att's lte will work on a slightly different mhz that it won't be compatible with verizon's lte, someone correct me if im wrong.
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The "AT&T" one, which at the moment is the same as the "world" version will NOT work on VZW.
As of now there are 2 models of the Galaxy Nexus: 1) CDMA/LTE (for Verizon in the USA) and 2) GSM/HSPA+ (for the rest of the world, yes including AT&T and T-mo in the USA).
As of now, there are no GSM/LTE versions (I'm assuming this is what you're looking for on AT&T). If you use the GN on AT&T, it will have HSPA+, but not LTE. And no, the VZW version will not be able to be unlocked and used with an AT&T LTE SIM card, because AT&T is only operating data on LTE, and you'd get no voice/text (assuming you somehow got the device unlocked to accept the SIM in the first place).
Unless Samsung/Google have some kinda curveball lined up to announce a 3rd model with GSM/LTE for AT&T, that will come in the future. As of now we're not aware of this model.

martonikaj said:
And no, the VZW version will not be able to be unlocked and used with an AT&T LTE SIM card, because AT&T is only operating data on LTE, and you'd get no voice/text (assuming you somehow got the device unlocked to accept the SIM in the first place).
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You are correct in saying the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will not work with an AT&T SIM. However, the reason you provided is incorrect. Currently, both AT&T and Verizon operate data only LTE networks. Neither provide LTE voice (Voice Over LTE aka VoLTE) but both plan to (Verizon in 2012 and AT&T in 2013). Whether or not the Galaxy Nexus can take advantage of VoLTE is another open question but it will be able to use CDMA voice either way.
The real reason your Galaxy Nexus will not work on the AT&T network is the LTE frequency bands are different as well as the obvious 2G and 3G CDMA/GSM incompatibilities. A Verizon Galaxy Nexus with the an AT&T SIM (assuming you can unlock the device) will never be able to find the AT&T network. Hopefully, future devices will offer software programmable radios that can be unlocked to interoperate on multiple bands. There are plans for some 43 LTE bands worldwide!!!

So I'm guessing that by the same token in Canada, if your with bell, getting the LTE version is pointless?
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ianwood said:
You are correct in saying the Verizon Galaxy Nexus will not work with an AT&T SIM. However, the reason you provided is incorrect. Currently, both AT&T and Verizon operate data only LTE networks. Neither provide LTE voice (Voice Over LTE aka VoLTE) but both plan to (Verizon in 2012 and AT&T in 2013). Whether or not the Galaxy Nexus can take advantage of VoLTE is another open question but it will be able to use CDMA voice either way.
The real reason your Galaxy Nexus will not work on the AT&T network is the LTE frequency bands are different as well as the obvious 2G and 3G CDMA/GSM incompatibilities. A Verizon Galaxy Nexus with the an AT&T SIM (assuming you can unlock the device) will never be able to find the AT&T network.
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Thanks for a little more information, but I said just as much. Even if you somehow got it unlocked to accept a different LTE SIM card (don't think it'd ever happen), there are several reasons why the phone wouldn't work. Even if they did have the same LTE frequencies exactly (or you hacked it on), he wouldn't get any GSM functionality out of the VZW device.
Basically what I was trying to express is that the other things could theoretically be overcome with software/firmware hacks (VZW and ATT will operate in the same spectrum, just slightly different frequencies), whereas you can't ever overcome the fact that the CDMA does you no good on the AT&T network.
Overall I think the point has been made regardless...

dont forget sprint and other cdma carriers in US

Verizon Note 2 Vs. T-Mobile Note 2

Which Note 2 supports more networks and frequencies; and therefore, which would be more suitable for international travel. Is the Verizon Note 2 even pentaband?

T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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Rhiannon224 said:
T mobile version because it's gsm which is going to work overseas. Verizon is a CDMA and I haven't read that it has gsm support.
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Yup, the T-Mobile version will work in more places overseas -- Especially Europe. Just in case, you might want to ask this in the Verizon area also just to make sure. :good:

I'm confused because on Samsungs website, http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I605TSAVZW-specs
the Verizon Model has the GSM frequencies,
is it GSM if unlocked; i believe the Note 2 is already unlocked by verizon, will it work on GSM frequencies internationally?
correct me if I'm wrong, thanks

the verizon Galaxy Note II apparently has the GSM radios,
also has LTE; doesn't AT&T LTE work along same frequencies as verizon LTE
or is the verizon LTE exlusively to CDMA?

All Galaxy Note 2 devices seem to have all WCDMA, GSM, and LTE bands.
But what I understand is that Verizon version is considered as a "world" phone. I know that they tell me that I can use their Galaxy Note 2 on the European Networks.
I have played around with the bands on my T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 and can get the WCDMA and LTE working. So I don't know if the Modem firmware in all Galaxy Note 2 are the same and just need to be activated by the carrier's sim card or not. Someone please educate us on the this. I know that their is talk of needing OTA update to activate the LTE within T-Mobile GN2. But if the Modem is all the same then can just updating or exchanging the sim card could do the same? Or does the nv file also needs to be updated to activate the band/s as well?
The question is not if Galaxy Note 2 (all verisons) have the bands. But how to (the actual process) activate the band, in question, and get the Galaxy Note 2 in working order with the carrier of choice? What is the method? How to do the process of this method?
Please correct me if I am getting this wrong.

^ good point, and also just to ask about the verizon note 2 again, i thought it carries carries an an additional radio for CDMA, does this mean that the verizon note 2 model has better capabilities worldwide' since it is virtually compatible with all networks in the world (simply tweaks to the frequencies to the radio can get the verizon variant working virtually anywhere) please correct me if I'm wrong here. thanks

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Problem I have seen in the past with Verizon world phones is that the game frequencies only work overseas. And lte is gsm band. Which is one of the few reasons Verizon phones have a sim slot to begin with
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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.

But doesn't Verizon use LTE on the 700 band just like AT&T and future TMobile LTE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Please correct me if I'm wrong, thank you.

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All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So the Verizon Note2 is like the AT&T Note2 & Sprint Note2 (supporting 21Mbps HSPA+ but not 42Mbps like T-Mobile) but all only with their own respective LTE?..wouldn't it be more cost effective for Samsung just to make 1 phone with all the hardware to support all (isn't the iPhone5 like that now?) or is it cost prohibitive or do carriers not want to make it easier to unlock?
Are we still confident that the T-Mobile Note2 is the best if we want the flexibility to use on all carriers? How often is >21Mbps HSPA+ seen in real world use & why is the disabled LTE not listed at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1877 ?

So, which is better then, Verizon or T-Mobile? Verizon's Note 2 also includes a CDMA radio whereas the T-Mobile version does not. If you are using the Note 2 in the US, wouldn't you have more flexible options in terms of which carrier to use?

nerdydesi said:
All recent Verizon LTE phones have GSM radios built in as well as their own CDMA/LTE radio. The LTE radio is only compatible with their network.
Some of these phones are even shipped out of the box unlocked and can be used immediately on GSM networks in the U.S.
If you do get the Verizon Note II and want to use it on T-Mobile, it will not have support for their HSPA+ 42mbps network, I believe it maxes out at 21mbps, as with all other Note II's around the world except for T-Mobiles.
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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Well LTE On the Verizon Note 2 is only compatible with Verizon's Network. Even if unlocked; the phone's firmware only recognizes LTE if only the Verizon 750 band is detected. Verizon has its own exclusive LTE bands compared to AT&T and Future T-Mobile LTE (sharing the same LTE bands)
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So do we consider the Verizon Note2 even more carrier flexible than T-Mobile's Note2 (as I was about ready to buy the T-Mobile Note2 to try their $30/mo plan but now having some doubts..if I want this tomorrow I need to order soon) ?
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I cannot speak to the CDMA radio issue, but I am positive that Verizon LTE will not work with any GSM LTE phone. The frequencies are similar, but Verizon is using a different LTE protocol. I asked that question a long time ago, thinking that LTE would finally allow roaming between Verizon and AT&T, but they are too clever to allow such a democratic system to function. They will remain fundamentally incompatible, not because they need to be, but because they want it that way to keep you locked to your carrier by your choice of device. Nice, eh?
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The Verizon NoteII will (in theory) connect to any gsm carrier. How to do so, I don't know.
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^^^ Well, the Verizon Note 2 will not be able to work with another carrier's LTE than itself.

my experience
Hey folks,
I've got the Verizon Note 2 and I love it. If you're willing to unlock the bootloader and then install a hack onto your device, you'll easily be able to swap the SIM card out and use it just about anywhere. Yes, the phone is carrier unlocked (not the same as bootloader unlocked). The issue is that in the settings, they won't let you add the specific APNs for the carriers you need. I"m not sure how else to get around that without installing some of the hacks. I managed to do it and it works beautifully on Canada's Bell Mobility, HSPA+ is screamingly fast and the LTE on VErizon in the States is just insanely fast. My recommendation: get the Verizon version because they've built out their LTE much more than their rivals at this point.

On anantech the reviewer stated that the tmobile version would be the most compatible. If you get vzw note2 and switch you wont get lte on tmob or att. Quite frankly vzw is too expensive and the coverage from tmobile is getting better by the month. Not to mention their business pricing is better than any of the other carriers.

Doesn't Verizon use LTE on the 700 band just like AT&T and future TMobile LTE?

Doesn't Verizon use LTE on the 700 band just like AT&T and future TMobile LTE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
Please correct me if I'm wrong, thank you.

Yes, they do, but there are different sub-bands on each frequency. I'm not sure you'll be able to use our phones on VZW, which seems to be where you're heading.
Even if you could for data, until vice over LTE comes, you couldn't do voice (cdma) on Verizon.
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but can't you do voice with verizons note 2 if the phone is used with an AT&T or Tmobile microsim card?
verizon's note is capable of gsm as well and supports the frequencies of AT&T and Tmobile if unlocked, is that so?
aren't the phones from verizon sold unlocked?

winlinmac001 said:
but can't you do voice with verizons note 2 if the phone is used with an AT&T or Tmobile microsim card?
verizon's note is capable of gsm as well and supports the frequencies of AT&T and Tmobile if unlocked, is that so?
aren't the phones from verizon sold unlocked?
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Yes but their boot loader is encrypted so you will have a hard time changing kernels. Also I do not know for sure their note 2 is SIM unlocked. Most phones are but some are not (think iPhone which they wont unlock for use in US only overseas)
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winlinmac001 said:
but can't you do voice with verizons note 2 if the phone is used with an AT&T or Tmobile microsim card?
verizon's note is capable of gsm as well and supports the frequencies of AT&T and Tmobile if unlocked, is that so?
aren't the phones from verizon sold unlocked?
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My T-Mobile Note 2 is sim unlocked. I can pop my own AT&T sim in it and get voice and 3G data no problem.
I tried the sim from my Verizon S3 in the Note and while it displayed signal bars for voice only, and any attempt to make a call resulted in a message about not being registered on the network.
Verizon is word about letting non stop Verizon phones on their network, and even if the phone is compatible on the GSM, that doesn't mean they'll just let you bring any device to the party.
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T-Mobile Note 2 > AT&T Note 2 > Verizon Note 2
The above is an order in terms of which Note 2 is more flexible in switching between carriers,
Overall, T-Mobile has the best Note 2, right?
Agree or Disagree?

Winlinmac001: you have to sort out your priorities, get a phone, enjoy it and move on...
Pick your carrier first.
If its Verizon, then get their model, not much else to it really. Until they get VoLTE operational and ditch CDMA completely (many years to go) your phone has to be activated in their system. Expect no, or limited support for US GSM carriers.
If it's T-Mobile, one of their MVNOs (or even a non-LTE AT&T MVNO), or you want to be able to switch to those with a minimum of fuss: T889. The clincher here is the HSPA AWS support that you'll need to get any meaningful speeds in non-refarmed areas. From what I understand only T-Mobile has DC-HSPA (42 Mbps) whereas AT&T only has 21 Mbps.
If it's AT&T: are you in an LTE market? do you care for LTE? If yes: I317. You're certain to get LTE right now with this one, with no concerns about cross-flashing modems or waiting for some firmware update that could take a while to come on the T889.

T-Mobile
It's settled then; T-Mobile Galaxy Note II it is; especially since it is compatible with most networks compared to AT&T's variant; and that it is a true global phone. Thank you.

[Q] T-Mobile Variant on Verizon

I just took my Incredible 2 for a swim in the pool and it is currently drying in a bag of rice. Hopefully it survives, but if not - that would give me an excuse to ditch it early. My Verizon contract doesn't end until November, but at that point I'm looking at leaving and heading to T-Mobile. If I end up having to get a new phone, I'd like to just get an S4 instead of a pathetic temporary one - that way when I switch to T-Mobile, I've already got my phone. I've done some searching and it looks like the Verizon S III can run on T-Mobile, but I found nothing for the S4...
Would it be possible for the T-Mobile variant of the Galaxy S4 to work on Verizon's network? Network speed isn't an issue for me.

No, this is a gsm phone, it will not work on cdma networks
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Verizon S4 has secondary radio that works with GSM. That's why it works on T-Mobile and AT&T. T-Mobile does not have secondary radio let alone ones that supports CDMA. This is why T-Mobile will never work on Verizon network.

TheAtheistOtaku said:
No, this is a gsm phone, it will not work on cdma networks
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Would have liked more info.
cproaudio said:
Verizon S4 has secondary radio that works with GSM. That's why it works on T-Mobile and AT&T. T-Mobile does not have secondary radio let alone ones that supports CDMA. This is why T-Mobile will never work on Verizon network.
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Thanks for that extra info and a reason why. I think I'm going to let the phone sit for a few days while I contemplate whether or not to drop Verizon with an ETF and head to T-MO or not... It's tempting.

I just took my Verizon Note 2 over to T-Mobile a week ago. I'm in the Denver Metro and had nothing but problems with the Verizon phone on the network. I popped in a T-M SIM card and while voice was fine, at home I jumped back and forth between edge and H+ and at work, I was stuck with nothing but edge. I called and was told that not all the T-M towers are setup to take non-TM branded phones at this point. Long story short, I went and got a T-M S4 and it's working fine, although the T-M coverage leaves a bit to be desired for a large metro area. Hopefully LTE, when the switch gets thrown here, will help some.

The Verizon Note 2 doesn't support AWS band. Thats why it's jumping between E and H+ all the time. The H+ is actually 1900mhz that it's locking on to. You need a phone that has the 1700mhz AWS band to connect to H+ reliably.

Can I take my rooted Tmobile Note 3 to Verizon?

I moved to Charlottesville, VA recently and the Tmobile coverage is really awful. Is it possible to take my rooted Tmobile Note 3 and use it on the Verizon network? I know it works on AT&T as I put my buddy's SIM card in and was able to connect to the network, but Verizon has the best coverage out here.
If I have to flash a new ROM or change the radio that's fine, I just need to know how to do it and if it's even possible.

No, not possible.

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No, not possible.
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But the Verizon version can come to Tmobile, right?

o_0 a t-mobile device to Verizon. lol I thought questions like this died in 2005
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Lucas155 said:
I moved to Charlottesville, VA recently and the Tmobile coverage is really awful. Is it possible to take my rooted Tmobile Note 3 and use it on the Verizon network? I know it works on AT&T as I put my buddy's SIM card in and was able to connect to the network, but Verizon has the best coverage out here.
If I have to flash a new ROM or change the radio that's fine, I just need to know how to do it and if it's even possible.
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It is impssible to use a T-Mobile phone on a Verizon network. T-Mobile and AT&T run on the GSM type of network and Verizon and I believe Sprint run on CDMA which aren't capatible. It doesn't matter if you are rooted or not.

defcon888 said:
It is impssible to use a T-Mobile phone on a Verizon network. T-Mobile and AT&T run on the GSM type of network and Verizon and I believe Sprint run on CDMA which aren't capatible. It doesn't matter if you are rooted or not.
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I've seen several instances of Verizon customers using their Note 3 on Tmobile. Just thought it might go the other way.

Verizon LTE devices come SIM unlocked for legal reasons (Verizon made a deal with the FCC not to SIM lock their devices in exchange for being able to use LTE Band 13 700 MHz).
Some of their older/"first-gen" LTE devices don't support GSM at all (e.g. Galaxy Nexus). But all nowadays do. The Galaxy S4 and newer support T-Mobile's LTE band. LTE is a GSM-based technology, and people travel as well. So pretty much all of their phones are GSM-enabled nowadays. Same for Sprint (except their phones will reject any US carrier SIMs specifically).
Anyways, the answer is no. AT&T and T-Mobile devices don't have CDMA enabled. And even if they did, Verizon and Sprint don't allow competitors' phones onto their networks.